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#76
slo - motion.... I agree. I think TCU can run with just about anyone. Not to mention they are coached by IMO, one of the 5 best coaches in the country.
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Posted:
#78
Quote Originally Posted by Firebird27:
Boom, Oklahoma is my team and follow them very closely.
Can you provide some insight into your KSU pick? Is it because OU just played Texas? KSU revenge from last year? OU being 1-9 in last 10 at home ATS vs KSU?
Based on this, it would appear that KSU is the pick.
What's your angle?
just about everything you said.... Plus Snyder loves to beat his former kids ( coaches ).....
Posted:
#80
Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:
I can't really take you serious with statements like these....
Stop watching ESPN dude....
I can't really take you serious with statements like these....
Stop watching ESPN dude....
It's ESPIN, and their "journalists" are given their scripts to follow. Don't get me wrong, the SEC is the best conference hands down. But when it is a witch-hunt against any and everything that challenges the SEC (FSU and Winston for example), then there is a trust-factor issue. Should Miss St. and Ole Miss be top teams? Damn right. Should Alabama and Auburn be 6 and 7? Hail no. Oklahoma beat Bama's azz like a drum last year, and it still had no effect on Bama's preseason ranking of #2. They lose to OM, struggle against WVU and Ark, and are still ranked #7. Auburn struggles with K St. and gets throat punched by Miss St (as a favorite) and is still #6. If, and that is a big if, FSU loses to top 5 ND on Saturday, watch them drop like a rock past Bama, Aub, Oregon, and whomever else the media is in love with. Forget that they are defending champs and have won games against two top 25 teams (and lost to a top 3 team in ND if that should occur). They have an agenda and want them to pay, and this is their only way to make it happen. All other teams outside the SEC should really be pulling for each other, because without that, the ESPIN machine will make sure their network (SECN) will be king in the end. 
Posted:
#81
Quote Originally Posted by Sabanade:
It's ESPIN, and their "journalists" are given their scripts to follow. Don't get me wrong, the SEC is the best conference hands down. But when it is a witch-hunt against any and everything that challenges the SEC (FSU and Winston for example), then there is a trust-factor issue. Should Miss St. and Ole Miss be top teams? Damn right. Should Alabama and Auburn be 6 and 7? Hail no. Oklahoma beat Bama's azz like a drum last year, and it still had no effect on Bama's preseason ranking of #2. They lose to OM, struggle against WVU and Ark, and are still ranked #7. Auburn struggles with K St. and gets throat punched by Miss St (as a favorite) and is still #6. If, and that is a big if, FSU loses to top 5 ND on Saturday, watch them drop like a rock past Bama, Aub, Oregon, and whomever else the media is in love with. Forget that they are defending champs and have won games against two top 25 teams (and lost to a top 3 team in ND if that should occur). They have an agenda and want them to pay, and this is their only way to make it happen. All other teams outside the SEC should really be pulling for each other, because without that, the ESPIN machine will make sure their network (SECN) will be king in the end.
you're gonna have to stop making so much sense.... you're gonna confuse these people...
btw... great to see other people forming an opinion not based on what a network tells them.
Posted:
#83
Boom,besides FSU and Clemson just because of Whatley...U don't think that Arkansas off line would have the GaTech,Miami,Duke v Va 
def lines waving their arms back?....People don't seem to realize that CFB is full of a bunch of good teams...no great teams.Boom,can u think of another year where Auburn played that bad and dropped to # 6...U talk about the Bama rule...That's what happens when u win Championships..U get respect..Mizzou had not a good team,but a great team last year do thats why they got a little love..Rankings really don't mean shz unti after the year or do they?Do we in March say " Wow,we were good we finished 10th?"
def lines waving their arms back?....People don't seem to realize that CFB is full of a bunch of good teams...no great teams.Boom,can u think of another year where Auburn played that bad and dropped to # 6...U talk about the Bama rule...That's what happens when u win Championships..U get respect..Mizzou had not a good team,but a great team last year do thats why they got a little love..Rankings really don't mean shz unti after the year or do they?Do we in March say " Wow,we were good we finished 10th?"
Posted:
#86
Quote Originally Posted by warcameagle56:
U are so much more of a conference homer than I am.
U are so much more of a conference homer than I am.
Im not a conference homer... But you just stated you were
Arkansas is a decent team. I hyped them up before anyone was talking about them this year... I know they are much improved. But let's pump the breaks here.
FSU, Louisville and Clemson would beat Arkansas will ease IMO....
As far as other teams?? Football is a crazy game. You never know....Arkansas could beat A LOT of teams everywhere, but they could also beat A LOT of SEC teams as well ( just haven't in 15 games ) ...but not because of the reasons you think.
G.T, Virginia,V.T and Duke could beat Arkansas.... Not saying they would, but they Could...just as the fact as Arkansas could beat them.
Arkansas might beat Georgia this weekend.... But that doesn't mean by any stretch that this team could beat that team.
Let me explain something to you that I think most miss about college football........just because one team beats a team...it does not mean that team will beat another team by rights. That's foolish to believe and typical brainwashing from EsecPN.
It's amazing to believe that people think this way...........
Just recently Clemson beats LSU and Georgia consecutively....what does that mean????? Really, nothing in the grand scheme of things. It just means Clemson was better that night. Did it mean that all the teams LSU and Georgia beat...by rights, Clemson would automatically beat them?
Sorry...war. I like you, you know that.....But I call that kind of thinking small minded.
Posted:
#87
Quote Originally Posted by warcameagle56:
..........just curious which teams do u think would beat Arkansas on a neutral field?...I won't argue any just curious who u think would.
..........just curious which teams do u think would beat Arkansas on a neutral field?...I won't argue any just curious who u think would.
Not Boom, but FSU, Clemson (especially with Watson), Louisville, and Notre Dame (if you want to count them) would definitely beat Arkansas most games played.
VaTech, Virginia, Miami, Georgia Tech, and Boston College could beat them some games played.
The rest..... UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake, Syracuse, and Pitt would lose to Arkansas most games.
Posted:
#89
I don't think Duke loses most games to Arkansas. They just went on the road and beat Georgia Tech. A team being listed as one that would be Arkansas in more games.
Arkansas is a power running teams. Matchups matter more against them than many other teams. Teams that can stop the run can beat Arkansas.
Posted:
#90
Quote Originally Posted by Sabanade:
Not Boom, but FSU, Clemson (especially with Watson), Louisville, and Notre Dame (if you want to count them) would definitely beat Arkansas most games played.
VaTech, Virginia, Miami, Georgia Tech, and Boston College could beat them some games played.
The rest..... UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake, Syracuse, and Pitt would lose to Arkansas most games.
I don't dis agree with this
I do think Duke is kind of in that gray area.... maybe/maybe not
Posted:
#91
In short, just too much conference pride/Homerism....whatever. Who cares??
I have a buddy ( South Carolina grad ) and he complains about this. He says, this is the most embarrassing thing in his mind. He says, why should I pull for Georgia? Why Should I pull for Arkansas, Alabama or LSU? It does nothing for me and MY team in the end. Actually it prevents us from going places where we want to go.
^^^Well put^^^
I know us, Clemson grads/fans/whatever...Hate FSU and Georgia Tech for ALL the right reasons. Why? They are rivals to us. We take pride in beating them....and watching them lose games at times they shouldn't......it gives us something to rag them on.
I have made the statement and I stand by it..... Today's college football fan is misguided and uniformed. 10 Years ago there was NO talk about this conference pride nonsense. It makes the fans look silly and it has hurt the overall integrity of the sport. At no time should I ever pull for Georgia tech in any thing.....Why? That's why it makes the sport great. The Real rivalries and traditions...
When Texas A&M left the Big 12 it was bad for college football in general. It hurt a national rivalry. It hurt the GAME!
When I look around at the typical fan now, it's IMO a fan who is all the things I said ( misguided and uninformed )..... I remember in the 90's when FSU was just destroying teams. WE/US Clemson, were sitting at the TV begging for them to go down. I remember when Virginia finally beat them on that Thursday night when Warrick Dunn fell just short of the goal line. It was great for college football.
Football was different 20 years ago from the Fan/Grad stand point. The greatest team ever IMO ( 95 Nebraska ) was beating down Florida in the NC game and I know for a fact that fans of Georgia, S.C and LSU were loving every minute of it. No Conference pride, just college football at it's purist.
THE worst thing that has happened to this sport is ESPN.
Im in rare form tonight boys.....fire away if you have any questions
I have a buddy ( South Carolina grad ) and he complains about this. He says, this is the most embarrassing thing in his mind. He says, why should I pull for Georgia? Why Should I pull for Arkansas, Alabama or LSU? It does nothing for me and MY team in the end. Actually it prevents us from going places where we want to go.
^^^Well put^^^
I know us, Clemson grads/fans/whatever...Hate FSU and Georgia Tech for ALL the right reasons. Why? They are rivals to us. We take pride in beating them....and watching them lose games at times they shouldn't......it gives us something to rag them on.
I have made the statement and I stand by it..... Today's college football fan is misguided and uniformed. 10 Years ago there was NO talk about this conference pride nonsense. It makes the fans look silly and it has hurt the overall integrity of the sport. At no time should I ever pull for Georgia tech in any thing.....Why? That's why it makes the sport great. The Real rivalries and traditions...
When Texas A&M left the Big 12 it was bad for college football in general. It hurt a national rivalry. It hurt the GAME!
When I look around at the typical fan now, it's IMO a fan who is all the things I said ( misguided and uninformed )..... I remember in the 90's when FSU was just destroying teams. WE/US Clemson, were sitting at the TV begging for them to go down. I remember when Virginia finally beat them on that Thursday night when Warrick Dunn fell just short of the goal line. It was great for college football.
Football was different 20 years ago from the Fan/Grad stand point. The greatest team ever IMO ( 95 Nebraska ) was beating down Florida in the NC game and I know for a fact that fans of Georgia, S.C and LSU were loving every minute of it. No Conference pride, just college football at it's purist.
THE worst thing that has happened to this sport is ESPN.
Im in rare form tonight boys.....fire away if you have any questions
Posted:
#92
Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:
I don't dis agree with this
I do think Duke is kind of in that gray area.... maybe/maybe not
I don't dis agree with this
I do think Duke is kind of in that gray area.... maybe/maybe not
Yea, Duke was gray area for me as well, but the physicality of Arkansas (this year) I think would be enough to beat Duke most games. Now comparing last year's Arkansas team, I might be more inclined to move Duke up to the next group, along with possibly UNC and Pitt. Arkansas is much better this year.
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#94
Conference loyalty matters, big time. Ask any FSU fan this question, "If the Noles can't win the title this year, who do you want to win it?" I would bet the vast majority would say Clemson. Of course that's not going to happen due to Clemson having 2 losses, but I'm just stating a fact. SEC teams like Miss St. and Ole Miss are benefitting greatly by being in the SEC and winning games. They would be no higher than #5 if they were in any other conference. Same goes for Auburn and Alabama at #'s 6 and 7. They get high preseason ratings, win the OOC games against the mid level Big 5 Conference teams (Wisconsin, West Virginia, Kansas State), and just replace each other at the top when they play in-conference. There is no secret why Miss St. is the quickest team to go from unranked to #1 in the AP Poll of all time. Last week, you had idiots like Shark-Attack claiming Auburn was the best thing since banana pudding, they get their azz whipped, drop to #6, and now Miss St. is better than the Denver Broncos. Rinse and repeat. The only thing that will curtail this is if non-SEC teams start winning titles over SEC opponents. It started last year, and you see the backlash. Let it happen a few more times and the SEC love fest will cool down to normal levels.
Posted:
#96
Quote Originally Posted by Sabanade:
Conference loyalty matters, big time. Ask any FSU fan this question, "If the Noles can't win the title this year, who do you want to win it?" I would bet the vast majority would say Clemson. Of course that's not going to happen due to Clemson having 2 losses, but I'm just stating a fact. SEC teams like Miss St. and Ole Miss are benefitting greatly by being in the SEC and winning games. They would be no higher than #5 if they were in any other conference. Same goes for Auburn and Alabama at #'s 6 and 7. They get high preseason ratings, win the OOC games against the mid level Big 5 Conference teams (Wisconsin, West Virginia, Kansas State), and just replace each other at the top when they play in-conference. There is no secret why Miss St. is the quickest team to go from unranked to #1 in the AP Poll of all time. Last week, you had idiots like Shark-Attack claiming Auburn was the best thing since banana pudding, they get their azz whipped, drop to #6, and now Miss St. is better than the Denver Broncos. Rinse and repeat. The only thing that will curtail this is if non-SEC teams start winning titles over SEC opponents. It started last year, and you see the backlash. Let it happen a few more times and the SEC love fest will cool down to normal levels.
I would prefer a PAC 12 team since I do not know anyone that went to those schools.
I do want teams like Clemson to win though because it builds our strength of schedule. I would also prefer any team outside of the ACC and SEC to win the National Championship, if it is not going to be FSU.
Remember when FSU destroyed Clemson? I believe we were a #5 vs #3. Funny how we still couldn't jump Oregon or Alabama until they lost, yet voters had no issue jumping Miss St over FSU. No SEC bias at all.
Posted:
#97
Quote Originally Posted by Sabanade:
Conference loyalty matters, big time. Ask any FSU fan this question, "If the Noles can't win the title this year, who do you want to win it?" I would bet the vast majority would say Clemson. Of course that's not going to happen due to Clemson having 2 losses, but I'm just stating a fact. SEC teams like Miss St. and Ole Miss are benefitting greatly by being in the SEC and winning games. They would be no higher than #5 if they were in any other conference. Same goes for Auburn and Alabama at #'s 6 and 7. They get high preseason ratings, win the OOC games against the mid level Big 5 Conference teams (Wisconsin, West Virginia, Kansas State), and just replace each other at the top when they play in-conference. There is no secret why Miss St. is the quickest team to go from unranked to #1 in the AP Poll of all time. Last week, you had idiots like Shark-Attack claiming Auburn was the best thing since banana pudding, they get their azz whipped, drop to #6, and now Miss St. is better than the Denver Broncos. Rinse and repeat. The only thing that will curtail this is if non-SEC teams start winning titles over SEC opponents. It started last year, and you see the backlash. Let it happen a few more times and the SEC love fest will cool down to normal levels.
I dis agree for the reasons you just posted....
I don't put much stock into the bias polls.... The polls are helping these SEC teams with ranking some of these teams high and making their loses look not bad. I have eyes, I know what a good team looks like. The Polls are a joke.....but unfortunately perception is reality and so I understand why you say it matters.
But there is a difference in why you think it matters vs a SEC blowhard who think it matters....and that is the truth
Posted:
#98
Quote Originally Posted by Sabanade:
It's ESPIN, and their "journalists" are given their scripts to follow. Don't get me wrong, the SEC is the best conference hands down. But when it is a witch-hunt against any and everything that challenges the SEC (FSU and Winston for example), then there is a trust-factor issue. Should Miss St. and Ole Miss be top teams? Damn right. Should Alabama and Auburn be 6 and 7? Hail no. Oklahoma beat Bama's azz like a drum last year, and it still had no effect on Bama's preseason ranking of #2. They lose to OM, struggle against WVU and Ark, and are still ranked #7. Auburn struggles with K St. and gets throat punched by Miss St (as a favorite) and is still #6. If, and that is a big if, FSU loses to top 5 ND on Saturday, watch them drop like a rock past Bama, Aub, Oregon, and whomever else the media is in love with. Forget that they are defending champs and have won games against two top 25 teams (and lost to a top 3 team in ND if that should occur). They have an agenda and want them to pay, and this is their only way to make it happen. All other teams outside the SEC should really be pulling for each other, because without that, the ESPIN machine will make sure their network (SECN) will be king in the end.
What kind of weed you blowing??? Sec can't hold a fkn candle to the pack 12, that's why they are afraid to play them on schedule! The only sec coach with balls is Saban, who chose to play SC coming up. Which he's gonna get his azz handed to him!
Posted:
#99
Quote Originally Posted by OGHowie282:
I would prefer a PAC 12 team since I do not know anyone that went to those schools.
I do want teams like Clemson to win though because it builds our strength of schedule. I would also prefer any team outside of the ACC and SEC to win the National Championship, if it is not going to be FSU.
Remember when FSU destroyed Clemson? I believe we were a #5 vs #3. Funny how we still couldn't jump Oregon or Alabama until they lost, yet voters had no issue jumping Miss St over FSU. No SEC bias at all.
Perfect...
let me clarify something. I don't disrespect FSU, I just don't like them for natural reasons. ( rivals ) I don't dis respect FSU...there a top notch program with great history and tradition.
I just would prefer they lose....just my opinion.
What OGhowie is saying is 100% right thinking individual. Just makes sense....
The issue is with most blowhards ( SEC people ) is the fact they can't respect ACC/PAC12/BIG10/BIG12..... They have to have this inferior complex that makes them think they are some how much better than you in life/football etc.... They can't acknowledge Ohio st, Clemson, FSU, Oregon, Oklahoma, Nebraska, USC, Stanford, Baylor as good teams...they have to carry the SEC card and try at all cost to degrade anything that goes against the company line.
I got news for people.... this playoff committee will not allow this SEC bias to happen. They will not do or listen what ESPN says that should happen. They will put a ton of stock in conference champions...as they should!
Right now if they picked the 4 teams I would almost guarantee it would be the winners from...
SEC
ACC
BIG12
PAC12
depending on how Notre dame finishes.....
Big10 as of now I don't think gets in, but then again, I wouldn't be against it at all.
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