I don't agree with Ice very often if at all but I think he is correct on this issue.When your claims to fame are a home loss- a 3rd place finish in your conference - and a 2nd place finish in your own division - yet you are without a doubt the #2 team in the country there's a problem with the system.
The BIG12 is better than the SEC this year from top to bottom.Nobody can look at the schedules and wins and say OSU's isn't better than Alabama's.
What make you think the Big 12 is better than the SEC this season? People think this kind on non sense every season, and are ALWAYS proven wrong.
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Quote Originally Posted by in_the_black:
I don't agree with Ice very often if at all but I think he is correct on this issue.When your claims to fame are a home loss- a 3rd place finish in your conference - and a 2nd place finish in your own division - yet you are without a doubt the #2 team in the country there's a problem with the system.
The BIG12 is better than the SEC this year from top to bottom.Nobody can look at the schedules and wins and say OSU's isn't better than Alabama's.
What make you think the Big 12 is better than the SEC this season? People think this kind on non sense every season, and are ALWAYS proven wrong.
and now im going to make u look like the asshat u are Arkansas beats a&M by 4,Ok St beats a&M by 1 ALABAMA and LSU both Destroy Arkansas
so if arkansas barely beats A&m and Oklahoma St barely beats A&m but yet Lsu,and Bama both ass rape Arkansas what do u think will happen when Bama ,or LSU plays ok St?
first off, i will address the second part... IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN... that is a 100% moot point... this is not about who people THINK will provide a better game... this is ONLY about who DESERVES TO BE THERE BASED ON THEIR BODY OF WORK!
now, onto the first part... i think you know you are stepping into a big problem here... i bet i can find no less than 100 examples of the following, in this year's CFB season...
Team A beats Team B Team B beats Team C Team C beats Team A
that is sports, man! and that doesn't prove shit!
however, since you brought it up...
Arkansas beat Tx A&M at home by 4 points... Arkansas is #3 in the SEC, Tx A&M is #3 in the SEC... home field is generally considered to be worth 3.5 to 4 points...
based on this, on a neutral field, these teams are DEAD EVEN!
so... if the #3 teams in the SEC and Big 12 are dead even... we continue down the ladder, and what we find is that the SEC drops off the face of the earth after #4 So Carolina... while the Big 12 goes about 7 or 8 deep...
depth is the issue here...
um, needless to say... you did not make me look like and asshat, and as i've already said (and backed it up), you cannot win this argument against me...
YOU CANNOT!
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Quote Originally Posted by NewDarkDay:
and now im going to make u look like the asshat u are Arkansas beats a&M by 4,Ok St beats a&M by 1 ALABAMA and LSU both Destroy Arkansas
so if arkansas barely beats A&m and Oklahoma St barely beats A&m but yet Lsu,and Bama both ass rape Arkansas what do u think will happen when Bama ,or LSU plays ok St?
first off, i will address the second part... IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN... that is a 100% moot point... this is not about who people THINK will provide a better game... this is ONLY about who DESERVES TO BE THERE BASED ON THEIR BODY OF WORK!
now, onto the first part... i think you know you are stepping into a big problem here... i bet i can find no less than 100 examples of the following, in this year's CFB season...
Team A beats Team B Team B beats Team C Team C beats Team A
that is sports, man! and that doesn't prove shit!
however, since you brought it up...
Arkansas beat Tx A&M at home by 4 points... Arkansas is #3 in the SEC, Tx A&M is #3 in the SEC... home field is generally considered to be worth 3.5 to 4 points...
based on this, on a neutral field, these teams are DEAD EVEN!
so... if the #3 teams in the SEC and Big 12 are dead even... we continue down the ladder, and what we find is that the SEC drops off the face of the earth after #4 So Carolina... while the Big 12 goes about 7 or 8 deep...
depth is the issue here...
um, needless to say... you did not make me look like and asshat, and as i've already said (and backed it up), you cannot win this argument against me...
What make you think the Big 12 is better than the SEC this season? People think this kind on non sense every season, and are ALWAYS proven wrong.
oh oh oh how WRONG you are... last year, and the year before, and the year before that... i was ALL about how overrated the Big 12 is...
i have bet ON the SEC in 4 of the last 5 NC games... the Big 12 is usually extremely overrated...
i think the Big 12 is better than the SEC because i have eyes and a brain... that are both open to what has happened THIS YEAR... and doesn't give a shit what has happened in past years...
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:
What make you think the Big 12 is better than the SEC this season? People think this kind on non sense every season, and are ALWAYS proven wrong.
oh oh oh how WRONG you are... last year, and the year before, and the year before that... i was ALL about how overrated the Big 12 is...
i have bet ON the SEC in 4 of the last 5 NC games... the Big 12 is usually extremely overrated...
i think the Big 12 is better than the SEC because i have eyes and a brain... that are both open to what has happened THIS YEAR... and doesn't give a shit what has happened in past years...
yea... so you are counting Auburn OVER Oregon as a game that provides proof of the SEC's strength THIS YEAR...
are you really going there, for real?
does anybody else want to jump in on this? you couldn't be more exposed right now...
explain to me what an Auburn team with Cam Newton and 14 other starters who are no longer playing for them, has to do with this year? like i said... the very fact that you needed to try to sneak that into your argument is ROCK SOLID proof of how weak your argument is...
you have NOTHING!
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:
I said this year fool...
yea... so you are counting Auburn OVER Oregon as a game that provides proof of the SEC's strength THIS YEAR...
are you really going there, for real?
does anybody else want to jump in on this? you couldn't be more exposed right now...
explain to me what an Auburn team with Cam Newton and 14 other starters who are no longer playing for them, has to do with this year? like i said... the very fact that you needed to try to sneak that into your argument is ROCK SOLID proof of how weak your argument is...
and now im going to make u look like the asshat u are Arkansas beats a&M by 4,Ok St beats a&M by 1 ALABAMA and LSU both Destroy Arkansas so if arkansas barely beats A&m and Oklahoma St barely beats A&m but yet Lsu,and Bama both ass rape Arkansas what do u think will happen when Bama ,or LSU plays ok St? Here i will tell u what will happen those would be ass rapings too in Bama,and LSU,s favor this aint about who the better conference is idiot this is about who the best 2 teams are and with out a doubt that is LSU,and Bama and anyone who says otherwise is a god damn fool and 1 more thing which i find really funny Ok St lost to IOWA ST who u are counting as quality wins for just about everyone who beat them when in the games they lost they got ass raped too but yet somehow u seem to think thats a good loss now go away IOWA st IS A BAD TEAM Put Ok St in SEC and at best they are a 3rd or 4th place team ,they would lose to bama,and lsu in ass rapings and Georgia,South Carolina,and Arkansas might be losses too
It's pretty obvious with situations like this, but people fail to understand it...
Also, Louisiana Lafauette and Tulsa, and Iowa State put up 30+ points on Oklahoma st. WHAT A FUCKING JOKE! Bama would blank those teams.
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Quote Originally Posted by NewDarkDay:
and now im going to make u look like the asshat u are Arkansas beats a&M by 4,Ok St beats a&M by 1 ALABAMA and LSU both Destroy Arkansas so if arkansas barely beats A&m and Oklahoma St barely beats A&m but yet Lsu,and Bama both ass rape Arkansas what do u think will happen when Bama ,or LSU plays ok St? Here i will tell u what will happen those would be ass rapings too in Bama,and LSU,s favor this aint about who the better conference is idiot this is about who the best 2 teams are and with out a doubt that is LSU,and Bama and anyone who says otherwise is a god damn fool and 1 more thing which i find really funny Ok St lost to IOWA ST who u are counting as quality wins for just about everyone who beat them when in the games they lost they got ass raped too but yet somehow u seem to think thats a good loss now go away IOWA st IS A BAD TEAM Put Ok St in SEC and at best they are a 3rd or 4th place team ,they would lose to bama,and lsu in ass rapings and Georgia,South Carolina,and Arkansas might be losses too
It's pretty obvious with situations like this, but people fail to understand it...
Also, Louisiana Lafauette and Tulsa, and Iowa State put up 30+ points on Oklahoma st. WHAT A FUCKING JOKE! Bama would blank those teams.
Ok, let's have a look at the SEC vs the rest of the nation this season...
Auburn beat Oregon
LSU beat Oregon, and West Virginia
Boise beat Georgia, and Georgia beat Ga tech
Florida lost to FSU
South Carolina beat Clemson, and Navy
Tennessee beat Cincy
Vandy beat Uconn, and Wake, and Army
Bama beat Penn st and Ga southern
Arkansas beat Troy, and Texas AM,
Ole Miss lost to BYU, and beat Fresno
Miss st beat Memphis, La tech, UAB,
Humm... Interesting...
When did Auburn play Oregon this year?
Also, Miss St. didn't beat LaTech.
Should I look through all your results to see if you are BSing anymore? Doesn't matter, there isn't exactly any big wins there anyways, even if they did sweep the board. I'm curious how many of those games where true road games also?
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:
Ok, let's have a look at the SEC vs the rest of the nation this season...
Auburn beat Oregon
LSU beat Oregon, and West Virginia
Boise beat Georgia, and Georgia beat Ga tech
Florida lost to FSU
South Carolina beat Clemson, and Navy
Tennessee beat Cincy
Vandy beat Uconn, and Wake, and Army
Bama beat Penn st and Ga southern
Arkansas beat Troy, and Texas AM,
Ole Miss lost to BYU, and beat Fresno
Miss st beat Memphis, La tech, UAB,
Humm... Interesting...
When did Auburn play Oregon this year?
Also, Miss St. didn't beat LaTech.
Should I look through all your results to see if you are BSing anymore? Doesn't matter, there isn't exactly any big wins there anyways, even if they did sweep the board. I'm curious how many of those games where true road games also?
Therefore Oregon has to crush USC? Yeah that BS logic works.Teams match up differently.
well done! like i said, there are at least 100 of these scenarios that can be drummed up... it is generally considered one of the WORST ways that you can try to handicap a sporting event...
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Quote Originally Posted by in_the_black:
Stanford beat USC and Oregon crushed Stanford.
Therefore Oregon has to crush USC? Yeah that BS logic works.Teams match up differently.
well done! like i said, there are at least 100 of these scenarios that can be drummed up... it is generally considered one of the WORST ways that you can try to handicap a sporting event...
yea... so you are counting Auburn OVER Oregon as a game that provides proof of the SEC's strength THIS YEAR...
are you really going there, for real?
does anybody else want to jump in on this? you couldn't be more exposed right now...
explain to me what an Auburn team with Cam Newton and 14 other starters who are no longer playing for them, has to do with this year? like i said... the very fact that you needed to try to sneak that into your argument is ROCK SOLID proof of how weak your argument is...
you have NOTHING!
Ok fuck it... Go ahead and read the rest of what I wrote... Look at the rest of the teams THIS year and what they have done to the rest of the nation. No response to that I take it? That is what I thought...
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:
yea... so you are counting Auburn OVER Oregon as a game that provides proof of the SEC's strength THIS YEAR...
are you really going there, for real?
does anybody else want to jump in on this? you couldn't be more exposed right now...
explain to me what an Auburn team with Cam Newton and 14 other starters who are no longer playing for them, has to do with this year? like i said... the very fact that you needed to try to sneak that into your argument is ROCK SOLID proof of how weak your argument is...
you have NOTHING!
Ok fuck it... Go ahead and read the rest of what I wrote... Look at the rest of the teams THIS year and what they have done to the rest of the nation. No response to that I take it? That is what I thought...
Should I look through all your results to see if you are BSing anymore? Doesn't matter, there isn't exactly any big wins there anyways, even if they did sweep the board. I'm curious how many of those games where true road games also?
yea... he's full of it!
one of the purposes of this thread was to expose as frauds anybody who attempted to refute this argument... i feel very strongly i have done so with both Laroja (aka UMADBRO) and Tapioca... hopefully other people see it, too, as you do...
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Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:
When did Auburn play Oregon this year?
Also, Miss St. didn't beat LaTech.
Should I look through all your results to see if you are BSing anymore? Doesn't matter, there isn't exactly any big wins there anyways, even if they did sweep the board. I'm curious how many of those games where true road games also?
yea... he's full of it!
one of the purposes of this thread was to expose as frauds anybody who attempted to refute this argument... i feel very strongly i have done so with both Laroja (aka UMADBRO) and Tapioca... hopefully other people see it, too, as you do...
Hawk... why does it matter who they lost to, but it doesn't matter who they've beaten?
go back and read my post comparing this to the Boise debate from last year... then it was all about the fact they hadn't beaten anybody... now it's all about who you lost to...
that's horseshit! you can't have it both ways...
which is EXACTLY why i looked at the entire body of work... and THAT is how you really measure up two teams...
in logic, you take your argument to the extreme, if you want to test it and find out whether or not it is valid...
let's take your argument to the extreme... what if Alabama played Sun Belt teams the entire year, with a game against LSU sprinkled right in the middle... they would still only have 1 loss to LSU... would they still get to use your argument?
so the question becomes, where is the line at which that argument completely falls apart? and the answer is... it falls apart as soon as you can take it to the extreme and see that it falls apart...
you cannot kill the OSU argument in the same manner... as long as we have a situation with two 1-loss teams... my argument remains valid at both ends of the spectrum, but yours does not!
Ill tell u why it matters who u lost to,caus eu lost to freakin IOWA ST after having a 17 point lead and not only that u only beat A& M by a point and what are they like the 5th or 6th best team in the BIG !2 with 10 Teams While Alabama has beaten everyone by at least 16 points and lost by 3 to number 1 team in nation in OT quite simply there is no comparision when talking bout these teams Alabama is better period i dont care who the better conference is it really dont matter its not relavent its about teams not conferences what dont u understand about that
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:
Hawk... why does it matter who they lost to, but it doesn't matter who they've beaten?
go back and read my post comparing this to the Boise debate from last year... then it was all about the fact they hadn't beaten anybody... now it's all about who you lost to...
that's horseshit! you can't have it both ways...
which is EXACTLY why i looked at the entire body of work... and THAT is how you really measure up two teams...
in logic, you take your argument to the extreme, if you want to test it and find out whether or not it is valid...
let's take your argument to the extreme... what if Alabama played Sun Belt teams the entire year, with a game against LSU sprinkled right in the middle... they would still only have 1 loss to LSU... would they still get to use your argument?
so the question becomes, where is the line at which that argument completely falls apart? and the answer is... it falls apart as soon as you can take it to the extreme and see that it falls apart...
you cannot kill the OSU argument in the same manner... as long as we have a situation with two 1-loss teams... my argument remains valid at both ends of the spectrum, but yours does not!
Ill tell u why it matters who u lost to,caus eu lost to freakin IOWA ST after having a 17 point lead and not only that u only beat A& M by a point and what are they like the 5th or 6th best team in the BIG !2 with 10 Teams While Alabama has beaten everyone by at least 16 points and lost by 3 to number 1 team in nation in OT quite simply there is no comparision when talking bout these teams Alabama is better period i dont care who the better conference is it really dont matter its not relavent its about teams not conferences what dont u understand about that
oh oh oh how WRONG you are... last year, and the year before, and the year before that... i was ALL about how overrated the Big 12 is...
i have bet ON the SEC in 4 of the last 5 NC games... the Big 12 is usually extremely overrated...
i think the Big 12 is better than the SEC because i have eyes and a brain... that are both open to what has happened THIS YEAR... and doesn't give a shit what has happened in past years...
I wasn't directing that specifically towards the Big 12 when I said the part about this non sense every year. What I meant is that there is always some idiot from another conference that thinks they have a top to bottom better than the SEC, and this year it's the big 12.
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:
oh oh oh how WRONG you are... last year, and the year before, and the year before that... i was ALL about how overrated the Big 12 is...
i have bet ON the SEC in 4 of the last 5 NC games... the Big 12 is usually extremely overrated...
i think the Big 12 is better than the SEC because i have eyes and a brain... that are both open to what has happened THIS YEAR... and doesn't give a shit what has happened in past years...
I wasn't directing that specifically towards the Big 12 when I said the part about this non sense every year. What I meant is that there is always some idiot from another conference that thinks they have a top to bottom better than the SEC, and this year it's the big 12.
first off, i will address the second part... IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN... that is a 100% moot point... this is not about who people THINK will provide a better game... this is ONLY about who DESERVES TO BE THERE BASED ON THEIR BODY OF WORK!
now, onto the first part... i think you know you are stepping into a big problem here... i bet i can find no less than 100 examples of the following, in this year's CFB season...
Team A beats Team B Team B beats Team C Team C beats Team A
that is sports, man! and that doesn't prove shit!
however, since you brought it up...
Arkansas beat Tx A&M at home by 4 points... Arkansas is #3 in the SEC, Tx A&M is #3 in the SEC... home field is generally considered to be worth 3.5 to 4 points...
based on this, on a neutral field, these teams are DEAD EVEN!
so... if the #3 teams in the SEC and Big 12 are dead even... we continue down the ladder, and what we find is that the SEC drops off the face of the earth after #4 So Carolina... while the Big 12 goes about 7 or 8 deep...
depth is the issue here...
um, needless to say... you did not make me look like and asshat, and as i've already said (and backed it up), you cannot win this argument against me...
YOU CANNOT!
lol man u are stupid this aint about who deserves there based on there body work the body of work aint big enough its about who is better and clearly Alabama is better
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:
first off, i will address the second part... IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN... that is a 100% moot point... this is not about who people THINK will provide a better game... this is ONLY about who DESERVES TO BE THERE BASED ON THEIR BODY OF WORK!
now, onto the first part... i think you know you are stepping into a big problem here... i bet i can find no less than 100 examples of the following, in this year's CFB season...
Team A beats Team B Team B beats Team C Team C beats Team A
that is sports, man! and that doesn't prove shit!
however, since you brought it up...
Arkansas beat Tx A&M at home by 4 points... Arkansas is #3 in the SEC, Tx A&M is #3 in the SEC... home field is generally considered to be worth 3.5 to 4 points...
based on this, on a neutral field, these teams are DEAD EVEN!
so... if the #3 teams in the SEC and Big 12 are dead even... we continue down the ladder, and what we find is that the SEC drops off the face of the earth after #4 So Carolina... while the Big 12 goes about 7 or 8 deep...
depth is the issue here...
um, needless to say... you did not make me look like and asshat, and as i've already said (and backed it up), you cannot win this argument against me...
YOU CANNOT!
lol man u are stupid this aint about who deserves there based on there body work the body of work aint big enough its about who is better and clearly Alabama is better
Ok fuck it... Go ahead and read the rest of what I wrote... Look at the rest of the teams THIS year and what they have done to the rest of the nation. No response to that I take it? That is what I thought...
1) that was already addressed by Naesiy, who pointed out more incongruities...
2) that list of results is completely MEANINGLESS, unless you make a similar list for the Big 12 to measure it up against...
but if you are asking whether or not i am impressed with that list? no... i'm not! why are you? i see so many dogshit teams on that list it cracks me up...
but anyway... this is over... was long ago! you can keep chiming in, and hopefully at some point you will try to make a legit argument... or at least try and discover what i already have...
better to live in a world of painful realities than pleasant delusions, if you ask me...
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:
Ok fuck it... Go ahead and read the rest of what I wrote... Look at the rest of the teams THIS year and what they have done to the rest of the nation. No response to that I take it? That is what I thought...
1) that was already addressed by Naesiy, who pointed out more incongruities...
2) that list of results is completely MEANINGLESS, unless you make a similar list for the Big 12 to measure it up against...
but if you are asking whether or not i am impressed with that list? no... i'm not! why are you? i see so many dogshit teams on that list it cracks me up...
but anyway... this is over... was long ago! you can keep chiming in, and hopefully at some point you will try to make a legit argument... or at least try and discover what i already have...
better to live in a world of painful realities than pleasant delusions, if you ask me...
lol man u are stupid this aint about who deserves there based on there body work the body of work aint big enough its about who is better and clearly Alabama is better
so is that what the BCS system is all about? not about who deserves to be there, but who is just better? that is the crux of your argument?
once again... exposed!
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Quote Originally Posted by NewDarkDay:
lol man u are stupid this aint about who deserves there based on there body work the body of work aint big enough its about who is better and clearly Alabama is better
so is that what the BCS system is all about? not about who deserves to be there, but who is just better? that is the crux of your argument?
Should I look through all your results to see if you are BSing anymore? Doesn't matter, there isn't exactly any big wins there anyways, even if they did sweep the board. I'm curious how many of those games where true road games also?
They played them for the national title this year... I am not saying it factors in to the team that auburn is this season vs the team oregon is this season, but it did technically happen this year.
Doesn't matter what kind of wins they are.... They are the SEC vs the rest and it proves that the SEC is once again, dominant.
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Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:
When did Auburn play Oregon this year?
Also, Miss St. didn't beat LaTech.
Should I look through all your results to see if you are BSing anymore? Doesn't matter, there isn't exactly any big wins there anyways, even if they did sweep the board. I'm curious how many of those games where true road games also?
They played them for the national title this year... I am not saying it factors in to the team that auburn is this season vs the team oregon is this season, but it did technically happen this year.
one of the purposes of this thread was to expose as frauds anybody who attempted to refute this argument... i feel very strongly i have done so with both Laroja (aka UMADBRO) and Tapioca... hopefully other people see it, too, as you do...
I just proved him wrong, and by agreeing with him further proves my point of how idiotic you are. LOL! Nice job... You are so delusional.
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:
yea... he's full of it!
one of the purposes of this thread was to expose as frauds anybody who attempted to refute this argument... i feel very strongly i have done so with both Laroja (aka UMADBRO) and Tapioca... hopefully other people see it, too, as you do...
I just proved him wrong, and by agreeing with him further proves my point of how idiotic you are. LOL! Nice job... You are so delusional.
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