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    Posted: Dec. 25, 2010 - 7:58 PM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by blairsun5:

    Ohio St never plays good in bowl games  too.
    Ohio St usually plays  one of the best teams in the country each year.Did you have a chance to watch last years Rose Bowl! Both you dumbasses are pencilnecked geeks ! You can use your math models but comparing statistics from BCS conferences and non BCS conferences! Every SEC ,Big Ten , Pac 12 team  would score  50 to  100 points on Hawaii. TCU or Boise would have 3 or more losses in a BCS Conference!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by blairsun5:

    Ohio St never plays good in bowl games  too.
    Ohio St usually plays  one of the best teams in the country each year.Did you have a chance to watch last years Rose Bowl! Both you dumbasses are pencilnecked geeks ! You can use your math models but comparing statistics from BCS conferences and non BCS conferences! Every SEC ,Big Ten , Pac 12 team  would score  50 to  100 points on Hawaii. TCU or Boise would have 3 or more losses in a BCS Conference!

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 25, 2010 - 11:25 PM ET #127

    Quote Originally Posted by middleman820:

    Ohio St usually plays  one of the best teams in the country each year.Did you have a chance to watch last years Rose Bowl! Both you dumbasses are pencilnecked geeks ! You can use your math models but comparing statistics from BCS conferences and non BCS conferences! Every SEC ,Big Ten , Pac 12 team  would score  50 to  100 points on Hawaii. TCU or Boise would have 3 or more losses in a BCS Conference!

     

     You sir, are a complete JOKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by middleman820:

    Ohio St usually plays  one of the best teams in the country each year.Did you have a chance to watch last years Rose Bowl! Both you dumbasses are pencilnecked geeks ! You can use your math models but comparing statistics from BCS conferences and non BCS conferences! Every SEC ,Big Ten , Pac 12 team  would score  50 to  100 points on Hawaii. TCU or Boise would have 3 or more losses in a BCS Conference!

     

     You sir, are a complete JOKE

     
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    Posted: Dec. 26, 2010 - 2:03 AM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by middleman820:

    Ohio St usually plays  one of the best teams in the country each year.Did you have a chance to watch last years Rose Bowl! Both you dumbasses are pencilnecked geeks ! You can use your math models but comparing statistics from BCS conferences and non BCS conferences! Every SEC ,Big Ten , Pac 12 team  would score  50 to  100 points on Hawaii. TCU or Boise would have 3 or more losses in a BCS Conference!

    On the contrary, not only would TCU and Boise rip through the big east (a BCS conference, in case you didn't know) but they'd probably win every conference game by double digits

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    Quote Originally Posted by middleman820:

    Ohio St usually plays  one of the best teams in the country each year.Did you have a chance to watch last years Rose Bowl! Both you dumbasses are pencilnecked geeks ! You can use your math models but comparing statistics from BCS conferences and non BCS conferences! Every SEC ,Big Ten , Pac 12 team  would score  50 to  100 points on Hawaii. TCU or Boise would have 3 or more losses in a BCS Conference!

    On the contrary, not only would TCU and Boise rip through the big east (a BCS conference, in case you didn't know) but they'd probably win every conference game by double digits

     
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    Posted: Dec. 26, 2010 - 4:51 AM ET #129

    Anyone who thinks Boise or TCU are not at least top 10 in the country lack intelligence and cannot be taken seriously.  JUST WATCH THEM PLAY!!!

    Keep it up Van.  I'm with you all the way.
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    Anyone who thinks Boise or TCU are not at least top 10 in the country lack intelligence and cannot be taken seriously.  JUST WATCH THEM PLAY!!!

    Keep it up Van.  I'm with you all the way.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 26, 2010 - 10:08 AM ET #130

    I now understand the true meaning of dipshit.  This thread was started by GCNMOO not Vanzack.  Both guy's are well respected cappers but if you want to thank Vanzack find his thread and thank him in there.

    Thanks for the info Moo and good luck with the rest of your wagers.

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    I now understand the true meaning of dipshit.  This thread was started by GCNMOO not Vanzack.  Both guy's are well respected cappers but if you want to thank Vanzack find his thread and thank him in there.

    Thanks for the info Moo and good luck with the rest of your wagers.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 26, 2010 - 12:58 PM ET #131

    Little Cesars Pizza Bowl:

    Toledo (-1) vs FIU (Lean with Toledo/over):  No time for a writeup here as I have family stuff today.  Basically, toledo was better with Owens qbing the team near the end of the season, which gives toledo enough of an advantage for my math model to lean with.  no bet, as FIU has pretty big Success % advantage and the math hardly leans with Toledo as is.  Gl to those that play it.

    Math Model: Toledo -3.25/63.6

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    Little Cesars Pizza Bowl:

    Toledo (-1) vs FIU (Lean with Toledo/over):  No time for a writeup here as I have family stuff today.  Basically, toledo was better with Owens qbing the team near the end of the season, which gives toledo enough of an advantage for my math model to lean with.  no bet, as FIU has pretty big Success % advantage and the math hardly leans with Toledo as is.  Gl to those that play it.

    Math Model: Toledo -3.25/63.6

     
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    Posted: Dec. 26, 2010 - 7:35 PM ET #132

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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2010 - 12:33 AM ET #133

    I ended up taking Toledo ML and toledo +2.5 for even amounts in that game for small amounts.   Toledo gave that game away, tough luck there.  They should have won.  I'll have analysis on tomorrows game tonight and maybe a few more if I don't fall asleep here.
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    I ended up taking Toledo ML and toledo +2.5 for even amounts in that game for small amounts.   Toledo gave that game away, tough luck there.  They should have won.  I'll have analysis on tomorrows game tonight and maybe a few more if I don't fall asleep here.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2010 - 12:40 AM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    I ended up taking Toledo ML and toledo +2.5 for even amounts in that game for small amounts.   Toledo gave that game away, tough luck there.  They should have won.  I'll have analysis on tomorrows game tonight and maybe a few more if I don't fall asleep here.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    I ended up taking Toledo ML and toledo +2.5 for even amounts in that game for small amounts.   Toledo gave that game away, tough luck there.  They should have won.  I'll have analysis on tomorrows game tonight and maybe a few more if I don't fall asleep here.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2010 - 1:44 AM ET #135

    waiting patiently.....bad luck on both the hawaii pick and Toledo pick, both qbs gave away game
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    waiting patiently.....bad luck on both the hawaii pick and Toledo pick, both qbs gave away game
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2010 - 3:08 AM ET #136

    Independence Bowl:

    Air Force (-3) vs G. Tech (lean with A. Force/& over): I may bet Air Force here if I can find -2.5 (-110 or better) as they are the only side I would play here.

    Busy again with college basketball, so probably not gonna have time for in-depth writeups unless I have a strong feeling about a game.

    Anyways, Air Force was +0.9 in yards per play on the season in my metrics and Georgia tech had a surprisingly bad year at -0.25 yards per play overall.  Air Force also seems like the superior team from my success ratio.

    Air Force:  -0.455 SOS, 53.2% Succ Ratio

    G. Tech:   1.227 SOS, 48.3% Succ Ratio

    Air Force is clearly the superior team based on this year's stats and that isn't even factoring in that Georgia Tech will be without two starters (DB Edwards - #3 Tackler, WR Hill - #1 WR).  LBer Egbuniwe (#5 Tackler) will also be missing for half the game. They will also be without QB Nesbitt although QB Washington figures to have similar results (based on the last 3.5 games he has played).  Air Force is returning star DB Lindsay (they were much better in the first half of the season defensively with him in there) as well as RB Tew (debatable how much better they'd be with him but it is another set of fresh legs and leading rusher last year). 

    While Georgia Tech has a bad defense (-0.52 for yr, and -1.15 for last 6 games), option teams have a hard time of taking advantage of bad defenses.  For the most part, their offenses rely on more precision and execution which usually results in more consistency, but less variance from week to week (relative to defense).  Air Force averaged 6.71 yards per play in games against the 5 games they played against poor defenses (those defenses A. Force would expect to gain 6.88 yppl).  Against the 5 strong defenses they faced, A. Force still averaged 6.18 yppl  against teams who would allow only 4.96 yards per play to an average offense.  So, the fact that Georgia tech's defense is very bad, won't have a huge effect on Air Force.  On the game, I have air force averaging 6.55 yards per play to the 5.85 yards per play of georgia tech.

    Like I mentioned previously, service academies have historically been good bowl teams, although Paul Johnson (coach of g.tech), has a very good ATS record away from home and as an underdog.  I think Air Force is happier to be here and I expect to get a stronger effort from them, although I don't really see G. Tech rolling over at all (especially because of their offense).

    I may play Air Force, depends which way this line goes.  I have small play on over 55.5, but usually don't like to play totals unless they are about 7 points off my total.  Good luck to those that play this game. 

    Math Model:  Air Force -5.94, Total 61.3

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    Independence Bowl:

    Air Force (-3) vs G. Tech (lean with A. Force/& over): I may bet Air Force here if I can find -2.5 (-110 or better) as they are the only side I would play here.

    Busy again with college basketball, so probably not gonna have time for in-depth writeups unless I have a strong feeling about a game.

    Anyways, Air Force was +0.9 in yards per play on the season in my metrics and Georgia tech had a surprisingly bad year at -0.25 yards per play overall.  Air Force also seems like the superior team from my success ratio.

    Air Force:  -0.455 SOS, 53.2% Succ Ratio

    G. Tech:   1.227 SOS, 48.3% Succ Ratio

    Air Force is clearly the superior team based on this year's stats and that isn't even factoring in that Georgia Tech will be without two starters (DB Edwards - #3 Tackler, WR Hill - #1 WR).  LBer Egbuniwe (#5 Tackler) will also be missing for half the game. They will also be without QB Nesbitt although QB Washington figures to have similar results (based on the last 3.5 games he has played).  Air Force is returning star DB Lindsay (they were much better in the first half of the season defensively with him in there) as well as RB Tew (debatable how much better they'd be with him but it is another set of fresh legs and leading rusher last year). 

    While Georgia Tech has a bad defense (-0.52 for yr, and -1.15 for last 6 games), option teams have a hard time of taking advantage of bad defenses.  For the most part, their offenses rely on more precision and execution which usually results in more consistency, but less variance from week to week (relative to defense).  Air Force averaged 6.71 yards per play in games against the 5 games they played against poor defenses (those defenses A. Force would expect to gain 6.88 yppl).  Against the 5 strong defenses they faced, A. Force still averaged 6.18 yppl  against teams who would allow only 4.96 yards per play to an average offense.  So, the fact that Georgia tech's defense is very bad, won't have a huge effect on Air Force.  On the game, I have air force averaging 6.55 yards per play to the 5.85 yards per play of georgia tech.

    Like I mentioned previously, service academies have historically been good bowl teams, although Paul Johnson (coach of g.tech), has a very good ATS record away from home and as an underdog.  I think Air Force is happier to be here and I expect to get a stronger effort from them, although I don't really see G. Tech rolling over at all (especially because of their offense).

    I may play Air Force, depends which way this line goes.  I have small play on over 55.5, but usually don't like to play totals unless they are about 7 points off my total.  Good luck to those that play this game. 

    Math Model:  Air Force -5.94, Total 61.3

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2010 - 3:17 AM ET #137

    as always thank you, wish you would continue with these great writeups, especially since I like the added detail off the suspended players impact and QB play for GAtech which was the concern
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    as always thank you, wish you would continue with these great writeups, especially since I like the added detail off the suspended players impact and QB play for GAtech which was the concern
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by middleman820:

    Ohio St usually plays  one of the best teams in the country each year.Did you have a chance to watch last years Rose Bowl! Both you dumbasses are pencilnecked geeks ! You can use your math models but comparing statistics from BCS conferences and non BCS conferences! Every SEC ,Big Ten , Pac 12 team  would score  50 to  100 points on Hawaii. TCU or Boise would have 3 or more losses in a BCS Conference!

     




    i for one am glad you are on this site... you are like negative information... whatever you think, the opposite is true...
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    Quote Originally Posted by middleman820:

    Ohio St usually plays  one of the best teams in the country each year.Did you have a chance to watch last years Rose Bowl! Both you dumbasses are pencilnecked geeks ! You can use your math models but comparing statistics from BCS conferences and non BCS conferences! Every SEC ,Big Ten , Pac 12 team  would score  50 to  100 points on Hawaii. TCU or Boise would have 3 or more losses in a BCS Conference!

     




    i for one am glad you are on this site... you are like negative information... whatever you think, the opposite is true...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by middleman820:


    Every SEC ,Big Ten , Pac 12 team  would score  50 to  100 points on Hawaii.




    arguably the stupidest comment i have ever seen on this site... and not that one would need any proof of how stupid this is... one of the top 4 Pac 10 teams (USC) played them this year and did not score 50...

    Hawaii would beat teams like Minnesota and Washington St quite easily... in fact, they have beaten Wazzou each of the last two years... easily...

    you are mentally retarded, my friend...
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    Every SEC ,Big Ten , Pac 12 team  would score  50 to  100 points on Hawaii.




    arguably the stupidest comment i have ever seen on this site... and not that one would need any proof of how stupid this is... one of the top 4 Pac 10 teams (USC) played them this year and did not score 50...

    Hawaii would beat teams like Minnesota and Washington St quite easily... in fact, they have beaten Wazzou each of the last two years... easily...

    you are mentally retarded, my friend...
     
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    Independence Bowl:

    Air Force (-3) vs G. Tech (lean with A. Force/& over): I may bet Air Force here if I can find -2.5 (-110 or better) as they are the only side I would play here.

    Busy again with college basketball, so probably not gonna have time for in-depth writeups unless I have a strong feeling about a game.

    Anyways, Air Force was +0.9 in yards per play on the season in my metrics and Georgia tech had a surprisingly bad year at -0.25 yards per play overall.  Air Force also seems like the superior team from my success ratio.

    Air Force:  -0.455 SOS, 53.2% Succ Ratio

    G. Tech:   1.227 SOS, 48.3% Succ Ratio

    Air Force is clearly the superior team based on this year's stats and that isn't even factoring in that Georgia Tech will be without two starters (DB Edwards - #3 Tackler, WR Hill - #1 WR).  LBer Egbuniwe (#5 Tackler) will also be missing for half the game. They will also be without QB Nesbitt although QB Washington figures to have similar results (based on the last 3.5 games he has played).  Air Force is returning star DB Lindsay (they were much better in the first half of the season defensively with him in there) as well as RB Tew (debatable how much better they'd be with him but it is another set of fresh legs and leading rusher last year). 

    While Georgia Tech has a bad defense (-0.52 for yr, and -1.15 for last 6 games), option teams have a hard time of taking advantage of bad defenses.  For the most part, their offenses rely on more precision and execution which usually results in more consistency, but less variance from week to week (relative to defense).  Air Force averaged 6.71 yards per play in games against the 5 games they played against poor defenses (those defenses A. Force would expect to gain 6.88 yppl).  Against the 5 strong defenses they faced, A. Force still averaged 6.18 yppl  against teams who would allow only 4.96 yards per play to an average offense.  So, the fact that Georgia tech's defense is very bad, won't have a huge effect on Air Force.  On the game, I have air force averaging 6.55 yards per play to the 5.85 yards per play of georgia tech.

    Like I mentioned previously, service academies have historically been good bowl teams, although Paul Johnson (coach of g.tech), has a very good ATS record away from home and as an underdog.  I think Air Force is happier to be here and I expect to get a stronger effort from them, although I don't really see G. Tech rolling over at all (especially because of their offense).

    I may play Air Force, depends which way this line goes.  I have small play on over 55.5, but usually don't like to play totals unless they are about 7 points off my total.  Good luck to those that play this game. 

    Math Model:  Air Force -5.94, Total 61.3



    I'm on the same side for another reason - a pure gamble that Tech just goes thru the motions after a shitty season, injured QB, benched players for half and entire game, and coming off of 4 losses of their last 5 games. I'm betting on the fact that Ga Tech's collective heads will not be in this game.

    On the other side, AF is an institution which inculcates excellence and 100% all day, every day. They will go down fighting to the bitter end. Also, they come in winning their last 3.

    Two teams moving in opposite directions? Looks like it to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    Independence Bowl:

    Air Force (-3) vs G. Tech (lean with A. Force/& over): I may bet Air Force here if I can find -2.5 (-110 or better) as they are the only side I would play here.

    Busy again with college basketball, so probably not gonna have time for in-depth writeups unless I have a strong feeling about a game.

    Anyways, Air Force was +0.9 in yards per play on the season in my metrics and Georgia tech had a surprisingly bad year at -0.25 yards per play overall.  Air Force also seems like the superior team from my success ratio.

    Air Force:  -0.455 SOS, 53.2% Succ Ratio

    G. Tech:   1.227 SOS, 48.3% Succ Ratio

    Air Force is clearly the superior team based on this year's stats and that isn't even factoring in that Georgia Tech will be without two starters (DB Edwards - #3 Tackler, WR Hill - #1 WR).  LBer Egbuniwe (#5 Tackler) will also be missing for half the game. They will also be without QB Nesbitt although QB Washington figures to have similar results (based on the last 3.5 games he has played).  Air Force is returning star DB Lindsay (they were much better in the first half of the season defensively with him in there) as well as RB Tew (debatable how much better they'd be with him but it is another set of fresh legs and leading rusher last year). 

    While Georgia Tech has a bad defense (-0.52 for yr, and -1.15 for last 6 games), option teams have a hard time of taking advantage of bad defenses.  For the most part, their offenses rely on more precision and execution which usually results in more consistency, but less variance from week to week (relative to defense).  Air Force averaged 6.71 yards per play in games against the 5 games they played against poor defenses (those defenses A. Force would expect to gain 6.88 yppl).  Against the 5 strong defenses they faced, A. Force still averaged 6.18 yppl  against teams who would allow only 4.96 yards per play to an average offense.  So, the fact that Georgia tech's defense is very bad, won't have a huge effect on Air Force.  On the game, I have air force averaging 6.55 yards per play to the 5.85 yards per play of georgia tech.

    Like I mentioned previously, service academies have historically been good bowl teams, although Paul Johnson (coach of g.tech), has a very good ATS record away from home and as an underdog.  I think Air Force is happier to be here and I expect to get a stronger effort from them, although I don't really see G. Tech rolling over at all (especially because of their offense).

    I may play Air Force, depends which way this line goes.  I have small play on over 55.5, but usually don't like to play totals unless they are about 7 points off my total.  Good luck to those that play this game. 

    Math Model:  Air Force -5.94, Total 61.3



    I'm on the same side for another reason - a pure gamble that Tech just goes thru the motions after a shitty season, injured QB, benched players for half and entire game, and coming off of 4 losses of their last 5 games. I'm betting on the fact that Ga Tech's collective heads will not be in this game.

    On the other side, AF is an institution which inculcates excellence and 100% all day, every day. They will go down fighting to the bitter end. Also, they come in winning their last 3.

    Two teams moving in opposite directions? Looks like it to me.
     
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    Contrary to popular belief, the military academies really don't have that good of a record in the bowls. AF is just 2-3 and Navy is just 2-4 in the last few years. These teams have done a little better ATS in the bowls. But this has been mainly when they were the dogs. Which is probably what the public remembers the most. But out of the 9 last bowl games combined between AF and Navy, there has been only one game where either of these two teams were made a favorite in their bowl. And that was Navy 10 years ago against Colorado St. AF has'nt been a favorite in any of their last 5 bowls. And neither has been a favorite over a BCS team. Even though GT's stats aren't as good as AF, their SOS and being a BCS team has to be given some respect here.
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    Contrary to popular belief, the military academies really don't have that good of a record in the bowls. AF is just 2-3 and Navy is just 2-4 in the last few years. These teams have done a little better ATS in the bowls. But this has been mainly when they were the dogs. Which is probably what the public remembers the most. But out of the 9 last bowl games combined between AF and Navy, there has been only one game where either of these two teams were made a favorite in their bowl. And that was Navy 10 years ago against Colorado St. AF has'nt been a favorite in any of their last 5 bowls. And neither has been a favorite over a BCS team. Even though GT's stats aren't as good as AF, their SOS and being a BCS team has to be given some respect here.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2010 - 10:56 AM ET #144

    Quote Originally Posted by callmetim:



    I'm on the same side for another reason - a pure gamble that Tech just goes thru the motions after a shitty season, injured QB, benched players for half and entire game, and coming off of 4 losses of their last 5 games. I'm betting on the fact that Ga Tech's collective heads will not be in this game.

    On the other side, AF is an institution which inculcates excellence and 100% all day, every day. They will go down fighting to the bitter end. Also, they come in winning their last 3.

    Two teams moving in opposite directions? Looks like it to me.

    That post has creedence with the addition of that one word.

    Nice job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by callmetim:



    I'm on the same side for another reason - a pure gamble that Tech just goes thru the motions after a shitty season, injured QB, benched players for half and entire game, and coming off of 4 losses of their last 5 games. I'm betting on the fact that Ga Tech's collective heads will not be in this game.

    On the other side, AF is an institution which inculcates excellence and 100% all day, every day. They will go down fighting to the bitter end. Also, they come in winning their last 3.

    Two teams moving in opposite directions? Looks like it to me.

    That post has creedence with the addition of that one word.

    Nice job!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyBull:

    That post has creedence with the addition of that one word.

    Nice job!

    Agreed 

     

    Christina Model avatar doesn't hurt either 

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    That post has creedence with the addition of that one word.

    Nice job!

    Agreed 

     

    Christina Model avatar doesn't hurt either 

     
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    gl tongiht, lean AF as well
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    gl tongiht, lean AF as well
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyBull:

    That post has creedence with the addition of that one word.

    Nice job!




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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyBull:

    That post has creedence with the addition of that one word.

    Nice job!




     
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    Champs Sports Bowl:

    W. Virginia (-2.5) vs NC ST (NO LEAN, if got to +3 i'd lean very slightly with NC ST):

    A case where the mathematical analysis and the situational analysis clash.  W. Virginia is clearly the better team here (+1.53 yppl), and 56.9% Succ Rate against -0.95 SOS.  They have a dominant defense (+1.3 ypply) that has performed just as well over the ladder half of the season as it did the beginning of the year.  They will be without one of their top CB's Brandon Hogan which is a small reason for concern as NC St loves to move the ball through the air.  NC St was very average offensively (+0.07 for year, -0.05 last 5 games and -0.15 vs toughest 5 defenses they faced). 

    Anyways, while my math certainly favors West Virginia, Tom O'brien's career record in bowl games is very concerning (7-1 ATS) and it is hard to figure that West Virginia will be focused on this game as they were hoping to land a BCS bid.  Stewart has just been told he will be fired after next season, and although I'm not sure how relevant that is, I think he will have a tough time getting the focus of his players for this bowl game.  Teams that end the year on a win streak actually struggle in bowl games (if it is a pre-new years game) and West virginia applies to this angle as well.   NC St has actually outplayed their stats and my PPG model actually only favors W. Virginia by 0.38 points.  If the line gets to +3 (-110 or better), I'd line with NC St because of the situation.  No play for me either way though.  Gl to those that play it.

    Math model (w/o CB Hogan):  W. Virginia -6.19, Total 48.4

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    Champs Sports Bowl:

    W. Virginia (-2.5) vs NC ST (NO LEAN, if got to +3 i'd lean very slightly with NC ST):

    A case where the mathematical analysis and the situational analysis clash.  W. Virginia is clearly the better team here (+1.53 yppl), and 56.9% Succ Rate against -0.95 SOS.  They have a dominant defense (+1.3 ypply) that has performed just as well over the ladder half of the season as it did the beginning of the year.  They will be without one of their top CB's Brandon Hogan which is a small reason for concern as NC St loves to move the ball through the air.  NC St was very average offensively (+0.07 for year, -0.05 last 5 games and -0.15 vs toughest 5 defenses they faced). 

    Anyways, while my math certainly favors West Virginia, Tom O'brien's career record in bowl games is very concerning (7-1 ATS) and it is hard to figure that West Virginia will be focused on this game as they were hoping to land a BCS bid.  Stewart has just been told he will be fired after next season, and although I'm not sure how relevant that is, I think he will have a tough time getting the focus of his players for this bowl game.  Teams that end the year on a win streak actually struggle in bowl games (if it is a pre-new years game) and West virginia applies to this angle as well.   NC St has actually outplayed their stats and my PPG model actually only favors W. Virginia by 0.38 points.  If the line gets to +3 (-110 or better), I'd line with NC St because of the situation.  No play for me either way though.  Gl to those that play it.

    Math model (w/o CB Hogan):  W. Virginia -6.19, Total 48.4

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Contrary to popular belief, the military academies really don't have that good of a record in the bowls. AF is just 2-3 and Navy is just 2-4 in the last few years. These teams have done a little better ATS in the bowls. But this has been mainly when they were the dogs. Which is probably what the public remembers the most. But out of the 9 last bowl games combined between AF and Navy, there has been only one game where either of these two teams were made a favorite in their bowl. And that was Navy 10 years ago against Colorado St. AF has'nt been a favorite in any of their last 5 bowls. And neither has been a favorite over a BCS team. Even though GT's stats aren't as good as AF, their SOS and being a BCS team has to be given some respect here.

    You're right that the academies usually aren't favorites in bowl games, but they are something like 23-10 ATS over last 25 years or so in bowl games.  Air Force should be focused here I'd think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Contrary to popular belief, the military academies really don't have that good of a record in the bowls. AF is just 2-3 and Navy is just 2-4 in the last few years. These teams have done a little better ATS in the bowls. But this has been mainly when they were the dogs. Which is probably what the public remembers the most. But out of the 9 last bowl games combined between AF and Navy, there has been only one game where either of these two teams were made a favorite in their bowl. And that was Navy 10 years ago against Colorado St. AF has'nt been a favorite in any of their last 5 bowls. And neither has been a favorite over a BCS team. Even though GT's stats aren't as good as AF, their SOS and being a BCS team has to be given some respect here.

    You're right that the academies usually aren't favorites in bowl games, but they are something like 23-10 ATS over last 25 years or so in bowl games.  Air Force should be focused here I'd think.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    Champs Sports Bowl:

    W. Virginia (-2.5) vs NC ST (NO LEAN, if got to +3 i'd lean very slightly with NC ST):

    A case where the mathematical analysis and the situational analysis clash.  W. Virginia is clearly the better team here (+1.53 yppl), and 56.9% Succ Rate against -0.95 SOS.  They have a dominant defense (+1.3 ypply) that has performed just as well over the ladder half of the season as it did the beginning of the year.  They will be without one of their top CB's Brandon Hogan which is a small reason for concern as NC St loves to move the ball through the air.  NC St was very average offensively (+0.07 for year, -0.05 last 5 games and -0.15 vs toughest 5 defenses they faced). 

    Anyways, while my math certainly favors West Virginia, Tom O'brien's career record in bowl games is very concerning (7-1 ATS) and it is hard to figure that West Virginia will be focused on this game as they were hoping to land a BCS bid.  Stewart has just been told he will be fired after next season, and although I'm not sure how relevant that is, I think he will have a tough time getting the focus of his players for this bowl game.  Teams that end the year on a win streak actually struggle in bowl games (if it is a pre-new years game) and West virginia applies to this angle as well.   NC St has actually outplayed their stats and my PPG model actually only favors W. Virginia by 0.38 points.  If the line gets to +3 (-110 or better), I'd line with NC St because of the situation.  No play for me either way though.  Gl to those that play it.

    Math model (w/o CB Hogan):  W. Virginia -6.19, Total 48.4


    First time going against you but having seen NCST play they are tough, the defensive is nasty at the LB spot and the QB is a dual threat on ground and air....WV was really unimpressive and has looked bad in bowl games recently..
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    Champs Sports Bowl:

    W. Virginia (-2.5) vs NC ST (NO LEAN, if got to +3 i'd lean very slightly with NC ST):

    A case where the mathematical analysis and the situational analysis clash.  W. Virginia is clearly the better team here (+1.53 yppl), and 56.9% Succ Rate against -0.95 SOS.  They have a dominant defense (+1.3 ypply) that has performed just as well over the ladder half of the season as it did the beginning of the year.  They will be without one of their top CB's Brandon Hogan which is a small reason for concern as NC St loves to move the ball through the air.  NC St was very average offensively (+0.07 for year, -0.05 last 5 games and -0.15 vs toughest 5 defenses they faced). 

    Anyways, while my math certainly favors West Virginia, Tom O'brien's career record in bowl games is very concerning (7-1 ATS) and it is hard to figure that West Virginia will be focused on this game as they were hoping to land a BCS bid.  Stewart has just been told he will be fired after next season, and although I'm not sure how relevant that is, I think he will have a tough time getting the focus of his players for this bowl game.  Teams that end the year on a win streak actually struggle in bowl games (if it is a pre-new years game) and West virginia applies to this angle as well.   NC St has actually outplayed their stats and my PPG model actually only favors W. Virginia by 0.38 points.  If the line gets to +3 (-110 or better), I'd line with NC St because of the situation.  No play for me either way though.  Gl to those that play it.

    Math model (w/o CB Hogan):  W. Virginia -6.19, Total 48.4


    First time going against you but having seen NCST play they are tough, the defensive is nasty at the LB spot and the QB is a dual threat on ground and air....WV was really unimpressive and has looked bad in bowl games recently..
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