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    Gamebreaker23
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 4:06 PM ET #26

    Plus if you go 0-3, you lose three times as much money as you do if you go 0-1.  Dude you clearly aren't a math wiz, sorry not trying to say bad things about you, but a person who knows a lot about math would find a lot wrong with your hypothesis.

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    Plus if you go 0-3, you lose three times as much money as you do if you go 0-1.  Dude you clearly aren't a math wiz, sorry not trying to say bad things about you, but a person who knows a lot about math would find a lot wrong with your hypothesis.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 4:06 PM ET #27

    @Degenbeter

    Agreed!   an_cheersSometimes you don’t have an odd set…Sometimes it’s 2 or 0…

     

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    @Degenbeter

    Agreed!   an_cheersSometimes you don’t have an odd set…Sometimes it’s 2 or 0…

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 4:08 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Gamebreaker23:

    You don't make any sense at all.  Sure there are 4 outcomes with 3 games but that does not factor in the number of times you will go 1-2 or 0-3 over the long haul.  There is no guarantee that just because you bet 3 games, you will win 3-0 or 2-1 over 50% of the time.  You could still be a bad picker and lose 0-3 five times in a row and you'd be 0-15.  Then you'd have to go 3-0 5 times just to break even.  Again you are not talking about the odds of winning your bets, just the 4 outcomes of making 3 picks.   Here is an example.  If you make one bet you can either go 0-1 or 1-0.  But you could lose that pick 5 out of 6 times so you'd be in the hole 1-5.  You aren't considering the percentages that you will win at, only the 4 possible outcomes of 1-3 team plays.   You are clearly very new to gambling and literally are completely wrong in your theory.

     

    LOL, maybe i am new to gambling- an_shake

    or maybe i have some inside experience and watch so many lose so much-

    You are certainly right- the nest handicappers will do better than the worst hadicappers-

     

    but you cant deny the math isnt right ..when yuo pick 3 games you have a greater chance of winning than when you pick 2 games- 50 vs 25

     

    Now there are cappers on covers who i know will be 2-0 likely- but the majority of them 999%) will never go 2-0

     

    P.S. at a typical book 75% of parlays are losers 

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamebreaker23:

    You don't make any sense at all.  Sure there are 4 outcomes with 3 games but that does not factor in the number of times you will go 1-2 or 0-3 over the long haul.  There is no guarantee that just because you bet 3 games, you will win 3-0 or 2-1 over 50% of the time.  You could still be a bad picker and lose 0-3 five times in a row and you'd be 0-15.  Then you'd have to go 3-0 5 times just to break even.  Again you are not talking about the odds of winning your bets, just the 4 outcomes of making 3 picks.   Here is an example.  If you make one bet you can either go 0-1 or 1-0.  But you could lose that pick 5 out of 6 times so you'd be in the hole 1-5.  You aren't considering the percentages that you will win at, only the 4 possible outcomes of 1-3 team plays.   You are clearly very new to gambling and literally are completely wrong in your theory.

     

    LOL, maybe i am new to gambling- an_shake

    or maybe i have some inside experience and watch so many lose so much-

    You are certainly right- the nest handicappers will do better than the worst hadicappers-

     

    but you cant deny the math isnt right ..when yuo pick 3 games you have a greater chance of winning than when you pick 2 games- 50 vs 25

     

    Now there are cappers on covers who i know will be 2-0 likely- but the majority of them 999%) will never go 2-0

     

    P.S. at a typical book 75% of parlays are losers 

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 4:10 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by Gamebreaker23:

    Plus if you go 0-3, you lose three times as much money as you do if you go 0-1.  Dude you clearly aren't a math wiz, sorry not trying to say bad things about you, but a person who knows a lot about math would find a lot wrong with your hypothesis.

     

     

    Well, since you know so much about math- show me exactly where i am wrong- thats a challenge, take it up- 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamebreaker23:

    Plus if you go 0-3, you lose three times as much money as you do if you go 0-1.  Dude you clearly aren't a math wiz, sorry not trying to say bad things about you, but a person who knows a lot about math would find a lot wrong with your hypothesis.

     

     

    Well, since you know so much about math- show me exactly where i am wrong- thats a challenge, take it up- 

     

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 4:11 PM ET #30

    So if you can't go 2-0 why would you be able to go 3-0?  At 50% chance each time, it goes from 50 to 25 to 12.5 percent.  Just do the math.

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    So if you can't go 2-0 why would you be able to go 3-0?  At 50% chance each time, it goes from 50 to 25 to 12.5 percent.  Just do the math.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 4:12 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by Gamebreaker23:

    Plus if you go 0-3, you lose three times as much money as you do if you go 0-1.  Dude you clearly aren't a math wiz, sorry not trying to say bad things about you, but a person who knows a lot about math would find a lot wrong with your hypothesis.

     

    My reading skills are certainly better than yuors...

     

    i never said picking 1 game is bad- go back and read my original post- i sad always pick odd games- so how does your post have any cred with me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamebreaker23:

    Plus if you go 0-3, you lose three times as much money as you do if you go 0-1.  Dude you clearly aren't a math wiz, sorry not trying to say bad things about you, but a person who knows a lot about math would find a lot wrong with your hypothesis.

     

    My reading skills are certainly better than yuors...

     

    i never said picking 1 game is bad- go back and read my original post- i sad always pick odd games- so how does your post have any cred with me

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 4:14 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by Gamebreaker23:

    So if you can't go 2-0 why would you be able to go 3-0?  At 50% chance each time, it goes from 50 to 25 to 12.5 percent.  Just do the math.

     

    dont need to go 3-0

     

    I have 3 chances to go 2-1 which is better than 1 chance to go 2-0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamebreaker23:

    So if you can't go 2-0 why would you be able to go 3-0?  At 50% chance each time, it goes from 50 to 25 to 12.5 percent.  Just do the math.

     

    dont need to go 3-0

     

    I have 3 chances to go 2-1 which is better than 1 chance to go 2-0

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 4:18 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by Gamebreaker23:

    So if you can't go 2-0 why would you be able to go 3-0?  At 50% chance each time, it goes from 50 to 25 to 12.5 percent.  Just do the math.

     

    What is your rebuttal to my argument here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamebreaker23:

    So if you can't go 2-0 why would you be able to go 3-0?  At 50% chance each time, it goes from 50 to 25 to 12.5 percent.  Just do the math.

     

    What is your rebuttal to my argument here?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 4:23 PM ET #34

    my rebuttal:

     

    if you choose 2 teams, you only have a 25% of a winning night

    3 teams, you have a 50% chance- yuo understand that right?

     

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    my rebuttal:

     

    if you choose 2 teams, you only have a 25% of a winning night

    3 teams, you have a 50% chance- yuo understand that right?

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 4:44 PM ET #35

    How I play this is to use dual flip parlay.  Since you don't want BOTH teams to win, ideally you make this bet using 2 underdogs.

    I'll throw in an example for tonites games.  Bet 2 games where you like the dog to win, ideally one dog will win and one dog will lose.  On the surface it might look like a bad idea, but what you're doing is using luck in your favor.  Can have a nice return when it hits. Expect to hit at least 50% of the time, the spread should be between +3 to +6, or +7 or +8 if you're confident about it.

    MINN +6.5 vs. OSU , right now my books got it at +225

    Washington +3 vs. Colorado Huskies my books got it +125

    Bet1: MINN ML + Colorado ML = +443

    Bet2: Washington ML + OSU ML = +306

    Bet 1 unit on each.  If all goes well you win 1 or the other, preferably Bet1.

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    How I play this is to use dual flip parlay.  Since you don't want BOTH teams to win, ideally you make this bet using 2 underdogs.

    I'll throw in an example for tonites games.  Bet 2 games where you like the dog to win, ideally one dog will win and one dog will lose.  On the surface it might look like a bad idea, but what you're doing is using luck in your favor.  Can have a nice return when it hits. Expect to hit at least 50% of the time, the spread should be between +3 to +6, or +7 or +8 if you're confident about it.

    MINN +6.5 vs. OSU , right now my books got it at +225

    Washington +3 vs. Colorado Huskies my books got it +125

    Bet1: MINN ML + Colorado ML = +443

    Bet2: Washington ML + OSU ML = +306

    Bet 1 unit on each.  If all goes well you win 1 or the other, preferably Bet1.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 5:10 PM ET #36

    Flawed logic.

     

    You are playing for the long term, not a single night.

     

     

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    Flawed logic.

     

    You are playing for the long term, not a single night.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 5:11 PM ET #37

    @abomnibus

     Interesting!

    i will definitely play with that strategy.

     

    thx

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    @abomnibus

     Interesting!

    i will definitely play with that strategy.

     

    thx

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 5:13 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by ValueTown:

    Flawed logic.   You are playing for the long term, not a single night.

     

    In the long term, i have a higher rate of return. 50 nights in a row, i have a greter chance to win

    5,000 nights too.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ValueTown:

    Flawed logic.   You are playing for the long term, not a single night.

     

    In the long term, i have a higher rate of return. 50 nights in a row, i have a greter chance to win

    5,000 nights too.....

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 5:14 PM ET #39

    Who cares bro let people do what they wanna do. Y'all be too worried about how people operate in life lol

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    Who cares bro let people do what they wanna do. Y'all be too worried about how people operate in life lol

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 5:28 PM ET #40

    I'm going to say this once and I have a thread proving it. 

    I run a Daily Double each day and many days I run a Double Daily Double 

     

    At 6pm today I have

    Charleston +120

    Delaware +175

     

    There are 4 outcomes and 3 of them are profitable. By this logic I have a 75% chance of winning tonight.

     

    4 possible outcomes tonight 

    +2.95 units

    +0.20 units

    +0.75 units

    -2.00 units

     

    At 8pm I have another Daily Double 

    Iowa +125

    Western Kentucky +140

     

    I'm sure you can see I have another 75% chance of winning at 8pm tonight.

     

    Play moneyline underdogs

     

    Falcon Sports 

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    I'm going to say this once and I have a thread proving it. 

    I run a Daily Double each day and many days I run a Double Daily Double 

     

    At 6pm today I have

    Charleston +120

    Delaware +175

     

    There are 4 outcomes and 3 of them are profitable. By this logic I have a 75% chance of winning tonight.

     

    4 possible outcomes tonight 

    +2.95 units

    +0.20 units

    +0.75 units

    -2.00 units

     

    At 8pm I have another Daily Double 

    Iowa +125

    Western Kentucky +140

     

    I'm sure you can see I have another 75% chance of winning at 8pm tonight.

     

    Play moneyline underdogs

     

    Falcon Sports 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 8:57 PM ET #41

    Funny how you guys forgot the PUSH.. an_lightan_drunksick

    A spread/O/U WITHOUT the hook has 3 outcomes:

    Win, lose or a push

    That gives you a 1/3 chance, or a 33.333% chance of winning.

    A spread WITH the hook has 2 outcomes.

    Win or lose

    That gives you a 1/2 or a 50% chance of winning...

    Basic probability tells us that you multiply the odds, times the number of events.

    For example, flip a coin: heads or tails. The odds that it will land heads twice in a row is:

    (1/2) x (1/2) = 1/4 cuz all the possible outcomes are:

    HH, HT, TH, TT

    And parlays? Only suckers bet them.an_baby I don't care what you say, only suckers bet them. Winning ONE event is hard enough as it is, why complicate it even further by tying in another event? an_lightan_burningbag

     

     

    "Schrödinger's bet." A bet that loses when you bet it but wins when you DON'T bet it...
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    Funny how you guys forgot the PUSH.. an_lightan_drunksick

    A spread/O/U WITHOUT the hook has 3 outcomes:

    Win, lose or a push

    That gives you a 1/3 chance, or a 33.333% chance of winning.

    A spread WITH the hook has 2 outcomes.

    Win or lose

    That gives you a 1/2 or a 50% chance of winning...

    Basic probability tells us that you multiply the odds, times the number of events.

    For example, flip a coin: heads or tails. The odds that it will land heads twice in a row is:

    (1/2) x (1/2) = 1/4 cuz all the possible outcomes are:

    HH, HT, TH, TT

    And parlays? Only suckers bet them.an_baby I don't care what you say, only suckers bet them. Winning ONE event is hard enough as it is, why complicate it even further by tying in another event? an_lightan_burningbag

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 9:00 PM ET #42

    Or suspended game due to slick floors when your up by 9 on a +175 dog

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    Or suspended game due to slick floors when your up by 9 on a +175 dog

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2022 - 9:30 AM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by abomnibus:

    How I play this is to use dual flip parlay.  Since you don't want BOTH teams to win, ideally you make this bet using 2 underdogs. I'll throw in an example for tonites games.  Bet 2 games where you like the dog to win, ideally one dog will win and one dog will lose.  On the surface it might look like a bad idea, but what you're doing is using luck in your favor.  Can have a nice return when it hits. Expect to hit at least 50% of the time, the spread should be between +3 to +6, or +7 or +8 if you're confident about it. MINN +6.5 vs. OSU , right now my books got it at +225 Washington +3 vs. Colorado Huskies my books got it +125 Bet1: MINN ML + Colorado ML = +443 Bet2: Washington ML + OSU ML = +306 Bet 1 unit on each.  If all goes well you win 1 or the other, preferably Bet1.

    Bet 2 won here for a net 1.06 u

     

    @TJZags598 Did you try this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abomnibus:

    How I play this is to use dual flip parlay.  Since you don't want BOTH teams to win, ideally you make this bet using 2 underdogs. I'll throw in an example for tonites games.  Bet 2 games where you like the dog to win, ideally one dog will win and one dog will lose.  On the surface it might look like a bad idea, but what you're doing is using luck in your favor.  Can have a nice return when it hits. Expect to hit at least 50% of the time, the spread should be between +3 to +6, or +7 or +8 if you're confident about it. MINN +6.5 vs. OSU , right now my books got it at +225 Washington +3 vs. Colorado Huskies my books got it +125 Bet1: MINN ML + Colorado ML = +443 Bet2: Washington ML + OSU ML = +306 Bet 1 unit on each.  If all goes well you win 1 or the other, preferably Bet1.

    Bet 2 won here for a net 1.06 u

     

    @TJZags598 Did you try this?

     
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    This theory would hold weight only if you were picking games out of a hat, and more so if you were evaluating your win rate on one day or even one week and then stopping. You could make the same argument breaking this down on a weekly basis and wouldnt matter what order they were played... 2 games monday 1 game tuesday 5 games wed... 

     

    and your assuming a 50% win rate... again picking out of a hat wtf?

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    This theory would hold weight only if you were picking games out of a hat, and more so if you were evaluating your win rate on one day or even one week and then stopping. You could make the same argument breaking this down on a weekly basis and wouldnt matter what order they were played... 2 games monday 1 game tuesday 5 games wed... 

     

    and your assuming a 50% win rate... again picking out of a hat wtf?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2022 - 10:39 AM ET #45

    @abomnibus

     

    Yes, indeed i did. i analyzed for a few, and agree with your strategy-

     

    Appreciated....I am going to play with this system more, i think its very valid at first blush.

    an_cheersan_worship

     

     

     

     

     

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    Yes, indeed i did. i analyzed for a few, and agree with your strategy-

     

    Appreciated....I am going to play with this system more, i think its very valid at first blush.

    an_cheersan_worship

     

     

     

     

     

     
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     and your assuming a 50% win rate... again picking out of a hat wtf?

     

    Most people dont ever hit 50%. You telling me the majority of bettors do better than 50%? Absolutely not. EVER. EVER. I have been on the other side, and anyone who says the majority of bettors hit better than 50% is inaccurate- just look at this board. maybe 25 have a record better than 50%>

    Profession gamblers hit about 54% of their sports bets. Anyone less than a professional is usually in mid 40's, as they take too many favs, and overs.

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    @invest4profits

     and your assuming a 50% win rate... again picking out of a hat wtf?

     

    Most people dont ever hit 50%. You telling me the majority of bettors do better than 50%? Absolutely not. EVER. EVER. I have been on the other side, and anyone who says the majority of bettors hit better than 50% is inaccurate- just look at this board. maybe 25 have a record better than 50%>

    Profession gamblers hit about 54% of their sports bets. Anyone less than a professional is usually in mid 40's, as they take too many favs, and overs.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2022 - 4:18 PM ET #47

    @TJZags598

    50% rate

     ml bets?

    or ats-o/u bets?

    because i am hitting at above 60% with just ml bets: nhl, nba, ncca bb

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    @TJZags598

    50% rate

     ml bets?

    or ats-o/u bets?

    because i am hitting at above 60% with just ml bets: nhl, nba, ncca bb

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibacku:

    @TJZags598 50% rate  ml bets? or ats-o/u bets? because i am hitting at above 60% with just ml bets: nhl, nba, ncca bb

    You've discovered the secret with -120 or more ml bets!! confusedan_drunksick

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    Don't win too much from the local book with those -300+ ml bets!! an_shakenew_confused That wouldn't be fair.. an_lightfingershake

    *eye roll...** confused

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    "Schrödinger's bet." A bet that loses when you bet it but wins when you DON'T bet it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibacku:

    @TJZags598 50% rate  ml bets? or ats-o/u bets? because i am hitting at above 60% with just ml bets: nhl, nba, ncca bb

    You've discovered the secret with -120 or more ml bets!! confusedan_drunksick

    an_praise

    an_hammer

    Don't win too much from the local book with those -300+ ml bets!! an_shakenew_confused That wouldn't be fair.. an_lightfingershake

    *eye roll...** confused

    new_laugh_cry

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2022 - 4:41 PM ET #49

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     A WIN IS  WIN 

    BETTER THAN LOSING ALL THE TIME WITH OVER/UNDER AND ATS BETS

    not betting -300 crap either btwn 140-160 maybe 180 is that good enough for YOU so called PROScool

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    @TheSquare

     A WIN IS  WIN 

    BETTER THAN LOSING ALL THE TIME WITH OVER/UNDER AND ATS BETS

    not betting -300 crap either btwn 140-160 maybe 180 is that good enough for YOU so called PROScool

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