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    MoreGeezer
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 1:10 PM ET #226

    I like your reasons for the over play...i think i ll get it.Thanks bro.
    regarding the jazz TT...i wouldn t take it.I doubt the jazz will actually win the game,and if this bet wins,even the over is probably in the box.
    If,instead,the over is no good,this bet is probably lost too
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    I like your reasons for the over play...i think i ll get it.Thanks bro.
    regarding the jazz TT...i wouldn t take it.I doubt the jazz will actually win the game,and if this bet wins,even the over is probably in the box.
    If,instead,the over is no good,this bet is probably lost too
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 2:02 PM ET #227

    Pacers againts team with a losing record:

    Orlando by 10
    Cheveland by 15
    Detroit by 8
    Chicago by 17
    Toronto by 7
    Brooklyn by 5
    Milwaukee by 27
    Chicago (lost by 16)
    New York by 7
    Boston by 15
    Philadelphie by 8
    Minnesota by 14
    Charlotte by 25
    Washington by 20

    I think Indiana is going to crush Utah somewhere between 15 and 20 points.
    Don't tell me Trey Burke is the man and Utah is a different team with him. I don't believe that.. yet.

    I jumped on that line a soon as I saw it. Thanx to Houston and Suns who gave me a nice line.

    Good luck 

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    Pacers againts team with a losing record:

    Orlando by 10
    Cheveland by 15
    Detroit by 8
    Chicago by 17
    Toronto by 7
    Brooklyn by 5
    Milwaukee by 27
    Chicago (lost by 16)
    New York by 7
    Boston by 15
    Philadelphie by 8
    Minnesota by 14
    Charlotte by 25
    Washington by 20

    I think Indiana is going to crush Utah somewhere between 15 and 20 points.
    Don't tell me Trey Burke is the man and Utah is a different team with him. I don't believe that.. yet.

    I jumped on that line a soon as I saw it. Thanx to Houston and Suns who gave me a nice line.

    Good luck 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 2:10 PM ET #228

    I am staying away from the line because the sample is to small from the Utah end to judge Burke and how he changes this team.  But from that short sample since he's received significant playing time the team is playing better ball and I'm hoping that results in them putting up some points.

     
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    I am staying away from the line because the sample is to small from the Utah end to judge Burke and how he changes this team.  But from that short sample since he's received significant playing time the team is playing better ball and I'm hoping that results in them putting up some points.

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 2:17 PM ET #229

    Great thread.  One of the very few I frequent daily.  Level headed honest approach from someone who doesn't just know but "understands".  Great work

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    Great thread.  One of the very few I frequent daily.  Level headed honest approach from someone who doesn't just know but "understands".  Great work

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 2:47 PM ET #230

    Thanks Onion.  Appreciate the comment sir. 
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    Thanks Onion.  Appreciate the comment sir. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 2:49 PM ET #231

    Power, I hope you're right.  Nothing better I'd like to see than a big win for the Pacers.  109-93 would make for a great night 
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    Power, I hope you're right.  Nothing better I'd like to see than a big win for the Pacers.  109-93 would make for a great night 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 4:33 PM ET #232

    Alan how do you feel about these player props?

    Paul George over 23.5 PTS -130

    Roy Hibbert over 22.5 PTS + REB -115


    I am about to pull the trigger on these because before the lines came out I was expecting 24 or 24.5 for george and around the same for hibbert
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    Alan how do you feel about these player props?

    Paul George over 23.5 PTS -130

    Roy Hibbert over 22.5 PTS + REB -115


    I am about to pull the trigger on these because before the lines came out I was expecting 24 or 24.5 for george and around the same for hibbert
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 4:34 PM ET #233

    Quote Originally Posted by alangrrbs:

    Power, I hope you're right.  Nothing better I'd like to see than a big win for the Pacers.  109-93 would make for a great night 

    Thanx alan but I see less points on a board.. maybe a 85-102. We'll see and hope we can both ship it ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by alangrrbs:

    Power, I hope you're right.  Nothing better I'd like to see than a big win for the Pacers.  109-93 would make for a great night 

    Thanx alan but I see less points on a board.. maybe a 85-102. We'll see and hope we can both ship it ;)
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 7:48 PM ET #234

    Quote Originally Posted by widenerDUDE:

    Alan how do you feel about these player props?

    Paul George over 23.5 PTS -130

    Roy Hibbert over 22.5 PTS + REB -115


    I am about to pull the trigger on these because before the lines came out I was expecting 24 or 24.5 for george and around the same for hibbert


    Love the Hibbert prop.  He was an offensive disaster trying to shoot against Portland and he still went for 16-12.

      I like the George prop, but the team was so dependent on him last game, I have this hunch that Vogel is going to try and get guys like Lance, West, Hibbert, etc going.  This team will depend on George sometimes, but they don't like making a habbit out of it.  That being said, I'm not sure whos up for the challenge on guarding Paul George on the Jazz.  I would lean slightly towards the over, but I'm not super confident. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by widenerDUDE:

    Alan how do you feel about these player props?

    Paul George over 23.5 PTS -130

    Roy Hibbert over 22.5 PTS + REB -115


    I am about to pull the trigger on these because before the lines came out I was expecting 24 or 24.5 for george and around the same for hibbert


    Love the Hibbert prop.  He was an offensive disaster trying to shoot against Portland and he still went for 16-12.

      I like the George prop, but the team was so dependent on him last game, I have this hunch that Vogel is going to try and get guys like Lance, West, Hibbert, etc going.  This team will depend on George sometimes, but they don't like making a habbit out of it.  That being said, I'm not sure whos up for the challenge on guarding Paul George on the Jazz.  I would lean slightly towards the over, but I'm not super confident. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 10:10 PM ET #235

    Does Indy pull away 2nd Half or too tired legs?
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    Does Indy pull away 2nd Half or too tired legs?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 10:12 PM ET #236

    Pacers -6 is what I was hoping for, and we got it.  Good situation to back the Pacers here.

    Jazz came out hot, and their young guys looked great.  Pacers starters went to the bench, and like always their bench came in and gave them a spark.  Scola proves once again he can be a monster contributer off the bench with 12 pts, and when the Pacers looked lost, they make a run and pull within 1.  When they made their run, the Jazz panicked and confused.  Pacers starters got a lot of rest, and it looks like Vogel was holding them back for a 2h run.  Lance looks comfortable again..George is in rhythm...only downside is West still hasn't recovered from the wear and tear of the last 4 days.  Hibbert, Mahinmi, and Scola will have to pick up the slack.  Not a monster wager here, but like the situation.
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    Pacers -6 is what I was hoping for, and we got it.  Good situation to back the Pacers here.

    Jazz came out hot, and their young guys looked great.  Pacers starters went to the bench, and like always their bench came in and gave them a spark.  Scola proves once again he can be a monster contributer off the bench with 12 pts, and when the Pacers looked lost, they make a run and pull within 1.  When they made their run, the Jazz panicked and confused.  Pacers starters got a lot of rest, and it looks like Vogel was holding them back for a 2h run.  Lance looks comfortable again..George is in rhythm...only downside is West still hasn't recovered from the wear and tear of the last 4 days.  Hibbert, Mahinmi, and Scola will have to pick up the slack.  Not a monster wager here, but like the situation.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 10:14 PM ET #237

    On it Alan  
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 11:30 PM ET #238

    Gentlemen, I don't believe in "Locks", "Mortgage Payments", or "Play Of The Years"...but that 2h play was as close as it gets.  Wish I would've laid it all out there, but that's not how I wager.  Season long success...not one bet.  

    Anyway, went 1-2...thought I had the Jazz TT over, but the Pacers locked them down in the 2h.  That's the risk with betting on a young team.  Energy can be on your side, or it can go against you.  Jazz learned how grown-ups play basketball in the NBA tonight.  But Trey Burke, Hayward, and Canter are no joke.  Fantastic core to build around.  This team probably won't make the playoffs, but their roster is a couple of pieces away from being a 4-6 seed.  Playing against elite teams will make these guys stronger, and next year and the year after if I'm in the Western conference I want no part of playing this team...especially at home.

    Total would've had a chance, but teams went 7-26 from 3 point.  It happens.  Totals live and die by the 3.

    Hope everyone loaded up on that 2h play. 

    My next post will be about Gordon Hayward and a very interesting story how he and Brad Stevens ended up where they are at.  No betting help whatsoever, but an interesting read for sports fans. 
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    Gentlemen, I don't believe in "Locks", "Mortgage Payments", or "Play Of The Years"...but that 2h play was as close as it gets.  Wish I would've laid it all out there, but that's not how I wager.  Season long success...not one bet.  

    Anyway, went 1-2...thought I had the Jazz TT over, but the Pacers locked them down in the 2h.  That's the risk with betting on a young team.  Energy can be on your side, or it can go against you.  Jazz learned how grown-ups play basketball in the NBA tonight.  But Trey Burke, Hayward, and Canter are no joke.  Fantastic core to build around.  This team probably won't make the playoffs, but their roster is a couple of pieces away from being a 4-6 seed.  Playing against elite teams will make these guys stronger, and next year and the year after if I'm in the Western conference I want no part of playing this team...especially at home.

    Total would've had a chance, but teams went 7-26 from 3 point.  It happens.  Totals live and die by the 3.

    Hope everyone loaded up on that 2h play. 

    My next post will be about Gordon Hayward and a very interesting story how he and Brad Stevens ended up where they are at.  No betting help whatsoever, but an interesting read for sports fans. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2013 - 12:33 AM ET #239

    I can be a nerd sometimes and have stories that are a irrelevant to betting, but I find some of them interesting, and some other people do too.  So here's the story about Brad Stevens and Gordon Hayward.  Pacers played Gordon Hayward tonight, so I thought it might be a good time to post.

    Gordon Hayward in Utah...Brad Stevens in Boston

    OK...these 2 guys have crazy stories how they came to be in the NBA, and they are directly related...and it happened all here in little ol' Indianapolis

    Brad Stevens-Indianapolis is a hub for pharmaceutical companies because a few decades ago, Eli Lilly decided they were going to make Indianapolis their main city for offices, labs, etc.  They then donated tens of millions of dollars to improve certain parts of the city to attract high dollar pharmacists, salespeople, etc.  What happened was that Pfizer and other companies came in to take advantage of those areas, and the north side of Indianapolis became (and still is) one of the top areas in the country to raise a family...school systems, businesses, roads, etc.

    How does this affect Stevens?  He was a salesman for Eli Lilly.  He wanted to be in basketball so he volunteered to be an assistant head coach at Butler before 2001...and he put his money where his mouth is by quitting his awesome job at Eil Lilly to be in the basketball industry.  He was promoted to full time assistant coach in 2001-2002, and he just stayed and took over as the coaches left, moving up the college coaching food chain.

    Thad Matta 2000-2001
    Todd Likliter 2001-2007

    Gordon Hayward-How he came to be at Butler is a one in a million story, and that is a main reason why he and Stevens are both in the NBA today. 

    Hayward went to high school at a school on the west side of Indianapolis called Brownsburg.  He and his sister were amazing and dominate athletes in the sport of..wait for it...wait for it......TENNIS!!!

    Gordon was only 5'11" as a freshman in HS, and he wanted to give up basketball because he though the wasn't big enough.  His Mother encouraged him to stick with it and he went through several growing spurts and he grew 9 inches in 2 years.

    The underground story about him is that many colleges wanted to offer him full rides for basketball, but they all backed out because they weren't sure where his passion was...basketball...or tennis.  He had many offers from local colleges Purdue, IUPUI, but went with Butler...wait for it...because Butlers 6:30 am basketball practice wouldn't interfere with his Computer Engineering major classes. 

    He played there starting in 2008 (Stevens was recently named head coach), and it became a randomly perfect situation for him.  It turned out Stevens was (and had been) a basketball wizard, but now had the talent, and superstar, to show his skills.  Stevens used the regular season to groom Hayward, Mack, and Howard and others into a well-coached team that bought into his coaching style and system and they were more prepared than any team going into the 2010 tournament.  They were experienced, skilled, and best of all...unknown to everyone outside their conference.  Stevens and Hayward became the faces of that cinderella story, and they both benefited after that championship game was over.

    Pat Forde reported that Hayward had the skills of a point guard, and the size of a forward because his father had misjudged his size and trained him with guard skills so when he grew into his adult body, he had the shooting and passing skills to match his frame.

    Stevens got hired by the Celtics by Danny Ainge and there's no question Stevens is a great basketball mind, and an intelligent guy...but if Hayward hadn't ended up on his roster, would Stevens have been a national name?  And let's not forget...Butlers run to the finals...against Duke...happened in Indianapolis.  5 miles away from Butlers campus...1/4 mile away from Eli Lilly's office...15 miles away from Haywards high school.  A great national media story to latch onto.

    One source from Butler basketball said about Stevens in his first year as an assistant was that Stevens was the smartest guy in the room.  And what was scary was that everyone  (including the head coach at the time) knew it.  It was only a matter of time before he got to show it.

    If this magical run didn't end in Indianapolis, does Stevens have the national recognition to get hired in the NBA?  Does Butler even make it to the final four?  If Hayward chooses tennis over baskeball, does anyone even know these 2 guys?  If Hayward doesn't hit a growth spurt, does he go to Butler?  If Stevens chooses the safety of a sales job at an elite company like Eli Lilly instead of basketball, does Hayward enter the national spotlight?  If Hayward mother doesn't push him to pursue basketball one more year, do these 2 guys vanish into oblivion?

    As it turns out, both Hayward and Stevens (operating in the same city only miles apart) came together in random circumstances...and the result was both guys giving each other a chance at a long-term future in the NBA.

    Amazing how life can work sometimes.  Sometimes one little decision can have major affects on future events.
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    I can be a nerd sometimes and have stories that are a irrelevant to betting, but I find some of them interesting, and some other people do too.  So here's the story about Brad Stevens and Gordon Hayward.  Pacers played Gordon Hayward tonight, so I thought it might be a good time to post.

    Gordon Hayward in Utah...Brad Stevens in Boston

    OK...these 2 guys have crazy stories how they came to be in the NBA, and they are directly related...and it happened all here in little ol' Indianapolis

    Brad Stevens-Indianapolis is a hub for pharmaceutical companies because a few decades ago, Eli Lilly decided they were going to make Indianapolis their main city for offices, labs, etc.  They then donated tens of millions of dollars to improve certain parts of the city to attract high dollar pharmacists, salespeople, etc.  What happened was that Pfizer and other companies came in to take advantage of those areas, and the north side of Indianapolis became (and still is) one of the top areas in the country to raise a family...school systems, businesses, roads, etc.

    How does this affect Stevens?  He was a salesman for Eli Lilly.  He wanted to be in basketball so he volunteered to be an assistant head coach at Butler before 2001...and he put his money where his mouth is by quitting his awesome job at Eil Lilly to be in the basketball industry.  He was promoted to full time assistant coach in 2001-2002, and he just stayed and took over as the coaches left, moving up the college coaching food chain.

    Thad Matta 2000-2001
    Todd Likliter 2001-2007

    Gordon Hayward-How he came to be at Butler is a one in a million story, and that is a main reason why he and Stevens are both in the NBA today. 

    Hayward went to high school at a school on the west side of Indianapolis called Brownsburg.  He and his sister were amazing and dominate athletes in the sport of..wait for it...wait for it......TENNIS!!!

    Gordon was only 5'11" as a freshman in HS, and he wanted to give up basketball because he though the wasn't big enough.  His Mother encouraged him to stick with it and he went through several growing spurts and he grew 9 inches in 2 years.

    The underground story about him is that many colleges wanted to offer him full rides for basketball, but they all backed out because they weren't sure where his passion was...basketball...or tennis.  He had many offers from local colleges Purdue, IUPUI, but went with Butler...wait for it...because Butlers 6:30 am basketball practice wouldn't interfere with his Computer Engineering major classes. 

    He played there starting in 2008 (Stevens was recently named head coach), and it became a randomly perfect situation for him.  It turned out Stevens was (and had been) a basketball wizard, but now had the talent, and superstar, to show his skills.  Stevens used the regular season to groom Hayward, Mack, and Howard and others into a well-coached team that bought into his coaching style and system and they were more prepared than any team going into the 2010 tournament.  They were experienced, skilled, and best of all...unknown to everyone outside their conference.  Stevens and Hayward became the faces of that cinderella story, and they both benefited after that championship game was over.

    Pat Forde reported that Hayward had the skills of a point guard, and the size of a forward because his father had misjudged his size and trained him with guard skills so when he grew into his adult body, he had the shooting and passing skills to match his frame.

    Stevens got hired by the Celtics by Danny Ainge and there's no question Stevens is a great basketball mind, and an intelligent guy...but if Hayward hadn't ended up on his roster, would Stevens have been a national name?  And let's not forget...Butlers run to the finals...against Duke...happened in Indianapolis.  5 miles away from Butlers campus...1/4 mile away from Eli Lilly's office...15 miles away from Haywards high school.  A great national media story to latch onto.

    One source from Butler basketball said about Stevens in his first year as an assistant was that Stevens was the smartest guy in the room.  And what was scary was that everyone  (including the head coach at the time) knew it.  It was only a matter of time before he got to show it.

    If this magical run didn't end in Indianapolis, does Stevens have the national recognition to get hired in the NBA?  Does Butler even make it to the final four?  If Hayward chooses tennis over baskeball, does anyone even know these 2 guys?  If Hayward doesn't hit a growth spurt, does he go to Butler?  If Stevens chooses the safety of a sales job at an elite company like Eli Lilly instead of basketball, does Hayward enter the national spotlight?  If Hayward mother doesn't push him to pursue basketball one more year, do these 2 guys vanish into oblivion?

    As it turns out, both Hayward and Stevens (operating in the same city only miles apart) came together in random circumstances...and the result was both guys giving each other a chance at a long-term future in the NBA.

    Amazing how life can work sometimes.  Sometimes one little decision can have major affects on future events.
     
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    HahA! Thanks for sharing that. Random circumstances or were they fated to come together the way they did? Depends on who you talk to. Just a great read.
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    HahA! Thanks for sharing that. Random circumstances or were they fated to come together the way they did? Depends on who you talk to. Just a great read.
     
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    nice read there.  also i was going to mention at some point, how interesting it is that hayward and burke have in common that both were soooo close to winning a national championship in their last college game before turning pro.

    on another note, i had utah +8 and over 187, and if hayward made 2 of those wide open 3's , i might have a lot more money right now
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    nice read there.  also i was going to mention at some point, how interesting it is that hayward and burke have in common that both were soooo close to winning a national championship in their last college game before turning pro.

    on another note, i had utah +8 and over 187, and if hayward made 2 of those wide open 3's , i might have a lot more money right now
     
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    Thanx alan but I see less points on a board.. maybe a 85-102. We'll see and hope we can both ship it ;)

    I feel lucky to win Indiana -8 here. Paul Georges and David West went 12/34 combined.

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    Thanx alan but I see less points on a board.. maybe a 85-102. We'll see and hope we can both ship it ;)

    I feel lucky to win Indiana -8 here. Paul Georges and David West went 12/34 combined.

     
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    Dion-you definitely were on the right side with your Utah +8 play.  Obviously, I was on the over with you and it was amazing how many close shots Kanter missed in the 2h.  I saw 3-4 within 5 feet that he bricked.  And you called it...Hayward missed several wide open 3's.  Pacers D was good, but it certainly wasn't great...just some missed shots.
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    Dion-you definitely were on the right side with your Utah +8 play.  Obviously, I was on the over with you and it was amazing how many close shots Kanter missed in the 2h.  I saw 3-4 within 5 feet that he bricked.  And you called it...Hayward missed several wide open 3's.  Pacers D was good, but it certainly wasn't great...just some missed shots.
     
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    Power-just remember...when we bettors win a bet, it's a brilliant call.  When we lose one it's unlucky.   

    Even though it does seem like Utah should've covered that game, it's a nice win for you.  Congrats 
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    Power-just remember...when we bettors win a bet, it's a brilliant call.  When we lose one it's unlucky.   

    Even though it does seem like Utah should've covered that game, it's a nice win for you.  Congrats 
     
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    Lost the prop bets but pulled the tirgger on 2nd half as well so it wasn't all that bad, great read by the way! I loved that Butler run to the ship a few years back
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    Lost the prop bets but pulled the tirgger on 2nd half as well so it wasn't all that bad, great read by the way! I loved that Butler run to the ship a few years back
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by alangrrbs:

    I can be a nerd sometimes and have stories that are a irrelevant to betting, but I find some of them interesting, and some other people do too.  So here's the story about Brad Stevens and Gordon Hayward.  Pacers played Gordon Hayward tonight, so I thought it might be a good time to post.

    Gordon Hayward in Utah...Brad Stevens in Boston

    OK...these 2 guys have crazy stories how they came to be in the NBA, and they are directly related...and it happened all here in little ol' Indianapolis

    Brad Stevens-Indianapolis is a hub for pharmaceutical companies because a few decades ago, Eli Lilly decided they were going to make Indianapolis their main city for offices, labs, etc.  They then donated tens of millions of dollars to improve certain parts of the city to attract high dollar pharmacists, salespeople, etc.  What happened was that Pfizer and other companies came in to take advantage of those areas, and the north side of Indianapolis became (and still is) one of the top areas in the country to raise a family...school systems, businesses, roads, etc.

    How does this affect Stevens?  He was a salesman for Eli Lilly.  He wanted to be in basketball so he volunteered to be an assistant head coach at Butler before 2001...and he put his money where his mouth is by quitting his awesome job at Eil Lilly to be in the basketball industry.  He was promoted to full time assistant coach in 2001-2002, and he just stayed and took over as the coaches left, moving up the college coaching food chain.

    Thad Matta 2000-2001
    Todd Likliter 2001-2007

    Gordon Hayward-How he came to be at Butler is a one in a million story, and that is a main reason why he and Stevens are both in the NBA today. 

    Hayward went to high school at a school on the west side of Indianapolis called Brownsburg.  He and his sister were amazing and dominate athletes in the sport of..wait for it...wait for it......TENNIS!!!

    Gordon was only 5'11" as a freshman in HS, and he wanted to give up basketball because he though the wasn't big enough.  His Mother encouraged him to stick with it and he went through several growing spurts and he grew 9 inches in 2 years.

    The underground story about him is that many colleges wanted to offer him full rides for basketball, but they all backed out because they weren't sure where his passion was...basketball...or tennis.  He had many offers from local colleges Purdue, IUPUI, but went with Butler...wait for it...because Butlers 6:30 am basketball practice wouldn't interfere with his Computer Engineering major classes. 

    He played there starting in 2008 (Stevens was recently named head coach), and it became a randomly perfect situation for him.  It turned out Stevens was (and had been) a basketball wizard, but now had the talent, and superstar, to show his skills.  Stevens used the regular season to groom Hayward, Mack, and Howard and others into a well-coached team that bought into his coaching style and system and they were more prepared than any team going into the 2010 tournament.  They were experienced, skilled, and best of all...unknown to everyone outside their conference.  Stevens and Hayward became the faces of that cinderella story, and they both benefited after that championship game was over.

    Pat Forde reported that Hayward had the skills of a point guard, and the size of a forward because his father had misjudged his size and trained him with guard skills so when he grew into his adult body, he had the shooting and passing skills to match his frame.

    Stevens got hired by the Celtics by Danny Ainge and there's no question Stevens is a great basketball mind, and an intelligent guy...but if Hayward hadn't ended up on his roster, would Stevens have been a national name?  And let's not forget...Butlers run to the finals...against Duke...happened in Indianapolis.  5 miles away from Butlers campus...1/4 mile away from Eli Lilly's office...15 miles away from Haywards high school.  A great national media story to latch onto.

    One source from Butler basketball said about Stevens in his first year as an assistant was that Stevens was the smartest guy in the room.  And what was scary was that everyone  (including the head coach at the time) knew it.  It was only a matter of time before he got to show it.

    If this magical run didn't end in Indianapolis, does Stevens have the national recognition to get hired in the NBA?  Does Butler even make it to the final four?  If Hayward chooses tennis over baskeball, does anyone even know these 2 guys?  If Hayward doesn't hit a growth spurt, does he go to Butler?  If Stevens chooses the safety of a sales job at an elite company like Eli Lilly instead of basketball, does Hayward enter the national spotlight?  If Hayward mother doesn't push him to pursue basketball one more year, do these 2 guys vanish into oblivion?

    As it turns out, both Hayward and Stevens (operating in the same city only miles apart) came together in random circumstances...and the result was both guys giving each other a chance at a long-term future in the NBA.

    Amazing how life can work sometimes.  Sometimes one little decision can have major affects on future events.

    9 inches in 2 years. 

    You'd literally look like an oversized elf in pants you wore a year earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alangrrbs:

    I can be a nerd sometimes and have stories that are a irrelevant to betting, but I find some of them interesting, and some other people do too.  So here's the story about Brad Stevens and Gordon Hayward.  Pacers played Gordon Hayward tonight, so I thought it might be a good time to post.

    Gordon Hayward in Utah...Brad Stevens in Boston

    OK...these 2 guys have crazy stories how they came to be in the NBA, and they are directly related...and it happened all here in little ol' Indianapolis

    Brad Stevens-Indianapolis is a hub for pharmaceutical companies because a few decades ago, Eli Lilly decided they were going to make Indianapolis their main city for offices, labs, etc.  They then donated tens of millions of dollars to improve certain parts of the city to attract high dollar pharmacists, salespeople, etc.  What happened was that Pfizer and other companies came in to take advantage of those areas, and the north side of Indianapolis became (and still is) one of the top areas in the country to raise a family...school systems, businesses, roads, etc.

    How does this affect Stevens?  He was a salesman for Eli Lilly.  He wanted to be in basketball so he volunteered to be an assistant head coach at Butler before 2001...and he put his money where his mouth is by quitting his awesome job at Eil Lilly to be in the basketball industry.  He was promoted to full time assistant coach in 2001-2002, and he just stayed and took over as the coaches left, moving up the college coaching food chain.

    Thad Matta 2000-2001
    Todd Likliter 2001-2007

    Gordon Hayward-How he came to be at Butler is a one in a million story, and that is a main reason why he and Stevens are both in the NBA today. 

    Hayward went to high school at a school on the west side of Indianapolis called Brownsburg.  He and his sister were amazing and dominate athletes in the sport of..wait for it...wait for it......TENNIS!!!

    Gordon was only 5'11" as a freshman in HS, and he wanted to give up basketball because he though the wasn't big enough.  His Mother encouraged him to stick with it and he went through several growing spurts and he grew 9 inches in 2 years.

    The underground story about him is that many colleges wanted to offer him full rides for basketball, but they all backed out because they weren't sure where his passion was...basketball...or tennis.  He had many offers from local colleges Purdue, IUPUI, but went with Butler...wait for it...because Butlers 6:30 am basketball practice wouldn't interfere with his Computer Engineering major classes. 

    He played there starting in 2008 (Stevens was recently named head coach), and it became a randomly perfect situation for him.  It turned out Stevens was (and had been) a basketball wizard, but now had the talent, and superstar, to show his skills.  Stevens used the regular season to groom Hayward, Mack, and Howard and others into a well-coached team that bought into his coaching style and system and they were more prepared than any team going into the 2010 tournament.  They were experienced, skilled, and best of all...unknown to everyone outside their conference.  Stevens and Hayward became the faces of that cinderella story, and they both benefited after that championship game was over.

    Pat Forde reported that Hayward had the skills of a point guard, and the size of a forward because his father had misjudged his size and trained him with guard skills so when he grew into his adult body, he had the shooting and passing skills to match his frame.

    Stevens got hired by the Celtics by Danny Ainge and there's no question Stevens is a great basketball mind, and an intelligent guy...but if Hayward hadn't ended up on his roster, would Stevens have been a national name?  And let's not forget...Butlers run to the finals...against Duke...happened in Indianapolis.  5 miles away from Butlers campus...1/4 mile away from Eli Lilly's office...15 miles away from Haywards high school.  A great national media story to latch onto.

    One source from Butler basketball said about Stevens in his first year as an assistant was that Stevens was the smartest guy in the room.  And what was scary was that everyone  (including the head coach at the time) knew it.  It was only a matter of time before he got to show it.

    If this magical run didn't end in Indianapolis, does Stevens have the national recognition to get hired in the NBA?  Does Butler even make it to the final four?  If Hayward chooses tennis over baskeball, does anyone even know these 2 guys?  If Hayward doesn't hit a growth spurt, does he go to Butler?  If Stevens chooses the safety of a sales job at an elite company like Eli Lilly instead of basketball, does Hayward enter the national spotlight?  If Hayward mother doesn't push him to pursue basketball one more year, do these 2 guys vanish into oblivion?

    As it turns out, both Hayward and Stevens (operating in the same city only miles apart) came together in random circumstances...and the result was both guys giving each other a chance at a long-term future in the NBA.

    Amazing how life can work sometimes.  Sometimes one little decision can have major affects on future events.

    9 inches in 2 years. 

    You'd literally look like an oversized elf in pants you wore a year earlier.
     
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    Scalabrine-the story goes as a freshman-5'11...soph-6'4"...Junior-6'7"...senior-6'8". Obviously I didn't measure him myself, but that's what they measured him at in high school. Crazy. And yes your elf picture may be correct how he looked...lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alangrrbs:

    Power-just remember...when we bettors win a bet, it's a brilliant call.  When we lose one it's unlucky.   

    Even though it does seem like Utah should've covered that game, it's a nice win for you.  Congrats 

    No I admit when I get lucky ;)
    The Indiana Pacers are my favourite team. I'd love to see them beat up the heat that time.
    Thanx for your great thread 
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    Power-just remember...when we bettors win a bet, it's a brilliant call.  When we lose one it's unlucky.   

    Even though it does seem like Utah should've covered that game, it's a nice win for you.  Congrats 

    No I admit when I get lucky ;)
    The Indiana Pacers are my favourite team. I'd love to see them beat up the heat that time.
    Thanx for your great thread 
     
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    Pacers at Spurs tonight

    Little bit of bad news for me for tonights game...I will be at a concert tonight and won't be able to watch the game as in depth as a normally do.  That sucks because my 2h plays have been pretty good.

    Couple things to start off with

    1.  As it turns out, we may have found out why the Pacers looked so sluggish at Utah.  Paul George was sick, and Hibbert was battling an asthma attack during the game.  Might explain the lack of flow on offense, and why there were so many missed shots.

    2.  Granger has started practicing...no timetable for his return.

    3.  Their plane landing in Utah was so rough, most of the guys were scared they were in a crash.

    4.  Pacers didn't fly into San Antonio.  They had to land in Houston because of fog, then take a 3.5 hours bus ride.  CJ Watson got locked in the bathroom cause the door broke on that bus.

    OK, enough with the worthless tidbits.  Tonights game...

    I've looked long and hard at San Antonio's schedule and results, and here's what I can find.  They have scored over 102 in 7 out of 8 games.  However, those teams were the Hawks, Rockets, Magic, Pelicans, Cavs, Grizzlies, Celtics.  Not exactly the best defensive lineup.  The two best teams the Spurs have played this year are the Blazers and the Thunder...they lost to both of those teams on the road.  Blazers on a back to back.

    Spurs haven't played since Dec. 2, and have tons of rest.  Their lineup should be ready to go, and after this game they don't play for 3 days, so I expect Popovich to use his best players as much as he can tonight.  Pacers haven't played since Wednesday...their bodies and health should be healed close to 100%.  So I think we are looking at these teams with their full rosters on display tonight.

    I looked hard at Spurs trends for game totals, spreads, 1h, 2h, and this is what I concluded.  As good as Duncan is and has been this season, his worse games this year are against talented front lines.  Against Memphis (healthy Randolph and Gasol) he went 3-8 from the field.  Against Ibaka and Perkins he went 5-14.  Against Houston and Dwight Howard, he went 8-13...but in that game Asik only played 13 minutes, and Howard was their only inside presence.  Spurs are going to be asking a lot from Tony Parker, Leonard, Ginobili, etc...and those guys can definitely produce, but when it comes down to it the Pacers are athletic enough to slow down the Spurs, and it seems like the Spurs have dominated some bad opponents. 

    Here's a little secret I bet nobody knows.  Spurs allow 92.1 pts per game...best in the Western Conference.  So really, this game is between two teams who know how to lock up teams, and play good smart defense.

    First play is going to be 1h under 94.  Pacers D should be at full strength, as will the Spurs.  Pacers games for the most part this year see a lot of points in the 2h, so I'll take the total in the 1h.  I can see both these teams coming out slow trying to figure each other out, running down the shot clock, etc. 

    When I started looking at the Spurs, I expected to see a team that the Pacers should really fear, but I gotta be honest...every time they've played a quality opponent they've struggled or lost.  Yes you can say that about most teams, but the Pacers are getting 3.5 points.  I'm going to take the Pacers +3.5, and I did not expect to find value in the Pacers in the matchup, but looking inside the numbers I've changed my mind.  Pacers are obviously a threat to win any game they play this year, and I can't pass up this value.

    GL today gents 
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    Pacers at Spurs tonight

    Little bit of bad news for me for tonights game...I will be at a concert tonight and won't be able to watch the game as in depth as a normally do.  That sucks because my 2h plays have been pretty good.

    Couple things to start off with

    1.  As it turns out, we may have found out why the Pacers looked so sluggish at Utah.  Paul George was sick, and Hibbert was battling an asthma attack during the game.  Might explain the lack of flow on offense, and why there were so many missed shots.

    2.  Granger has started practicing...no timetable for his return.

    3.  Their plane landing in Utah was so rough, most of the guys were scared they were in a crash.

    4.  Pacers didn't fly into San Antonio.  They had to land in Houston because of fog, then take a 3.5 hours bus ride.  CJ Watson got locked in the bathroom cause the door broke on that bus.

    OK, enough with the worthless tidbits.  Tonights game...

    I've looked long and hard at San Antonio's schedule and results, and here's what I can find.  They have scored over 102 in 7 out of 8 games.  However, those teams were the Hawks, Rockets, Magic, Pelicans, Cavs, Grizzlies, Celtics.  Not exactly the best defensive lineup.  The two best teams the Spurs have played this year are the Blazers and the Thunder...they lost to both of those teams on the road.  Blazers on a back to back.

    Spurs haven't played since Dec. 2, and have tons of rest.  Their lineup should be ready to go, and after this game they don't play for 3 days, so I expect Popovich to use his best players as much as he can tonight.  Pacers haven't played since Wednesday...their bodies and health should be healed close to 100%.  So I think we are looking at these teams with their full rosters on display tonight.

    I looked hard at Spurs trends for game totals, spreads, 1h, 2h, and this is what I concluded.  As good as Duncan is and has been this season, his worse games this year are against talented front lines.  Against Memphis (healthy Randolph and Gasol) he went 3-8 from the field.  Against Ibaka and Perkins he went 5-14.  Against Houston and Dwight Howard, he went 8-13...but in that game Asik only played 13 minutes, and Howard was their only inside presence.  Spurs are going to be asking a lot from Tony Parker, Leonard, Ginobili, etc...and those guys can definitely produce, but when it comes down to it the Pacers are athletic enough to slow down the Spurs, and it seems like the Spurs have dominated some bad opponents. 

    Here's a little secret I bet nobody knows.  Spurs allow 92.1 pts per game...best in the Western Conference.  So really, this game is between two teams who know how to lock up teams, and play good smart defense.

    First play is going to be 1h under 94.  Pacers D should be at full strength, as will the Spurs.  Pacers games for the most part this year see a lot of points in the 2h, so I'll take the total in the 1h.  I can see both these teams coming out slow trying to figure each other out, running down the shot clock, etc. 

    When I started looking at the Spurs, I expected to see a team that the Pacers should really fear, but I gotta be honest...every time they've played a quality opponent they've struggled or lost.  Yes you can say that about most teams, but the Pacers are getting 3.5 points.  I'm going to take the Pacers +3.5, and I did not expect to find value in the Pacers in the matchup, but looking inside the numbers I've changed my mind.  Pacers are obviously a threat to win any game they play this year, and I can't pass up this value.

    GL today gents 
     
     
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    ill join u on pacers and the under, but tomorrow i think ill flip flop and take oklahoma city and the over

    thanks for your valuable insights

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    ill join u on pacers and the under, but tomorrow i think ill flip flop and take oklahoma city and the over

    thanks for your valuable insights

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