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GreenleafSports

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:17 PM ET #4726

hey bunk i'm no clown. just have to chime in when all of u pro cappers miss a game that is off 1.5 points . i bet it and it fell 1.5 points over the next couple hours. How are u selecting your games gut feeling? i cap the games i adjust my amount to the difference from the line the book offers to the real line. im 76% in covers nba contest . How do all you great cappers miss this ? explain to me how i bet a game and it falls 1.5 points a couple hours latter.

scalabrine

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:18 PM ET #4727

Quote Originally Posted by JicJac:

Scal,

no he wouldn't be able to do that. Its a transaction over the threshold and will be logged as such with his ss number. There are also no forms to fill out as the play is already on their log sheet. the more plays he makes that are logged the supervisors will get to know him and although will still have to record the info for title 31..they wont be asking for his identity as he becomes a KNOWN player

Jic Van

Wow. What a mistake to drop this at one casino.

vanzack

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:20 PM ET #4728

Quote Originally Posted by JicJac:

Scal,

I have to defer to JicJac here - I am sure he is right on this one.

And as CG said - he fell right in to being a known player when he filled out the players club application and got the players card. Now every bet he makes there will be tracked.

You can say no to the players card. They sound like they are demanding it when you make your bet - but they are asking in a way that strongly suggests it. At least at the SB where he made this bet (don't want to name it but noticed it on ticket). William Hill DEMANDED the players card when I tried to make a wager there - and I think that wager was only for 3k or so.

But make no mistake - CGs player card makes him a known player.

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tzolkin

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:22 PM ET #4729

Good Luck CG with your bet, you will need it. I hope SC will cover. I wonder what would you do after push?

BunkMoreland

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:22 PM ET #4730

No on cares green leaf

Cg does his own thing

Not hard to see

U wanna slap leaf?

Bluefin

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:25 PM ET #4731

Financial Crimes Enforcement Network FinCEN Form 114

To say this not a tax related form is incorrect it is not attached to Internal revenue service Van is correct but it's application is two fold any federal agency(IRS included) can request this form to confirm financial reports and any federal law enforcement agency has access.

JicJac

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:27 PM ET #4732

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

I stopped betting MLB about 5 years ago. I had lost MB and Pinny at the time (I have since got them back), but I stopped about a month before they left the US market.

I left because their commission structure changed to where I think I was paying about .5 cent per bet - but they were changing it to where it would be a little over 1 cent per bet. I wrote about it extensively here at the time, and the agony of paying .5 cent more!

That .5 cent made me pack it in on MLB - probably forever. I just look at it in the context of betting in to 10 cent lines and I have to laugh - it is a different universe than I am used to. I can accept that CG is a much better pure handicapper than I am - but I cant accept the fact that he should be making MORE on every bet he makes.

That's the part that would make me not sleep at night. Not that I lost a wager, but that I didn't win enough on my winning wagers. Just a different mentality I guess - not better or worse - but I know what makes me money and profitable - and it is the pennies I can squeeze here and there. I am not good enough to find spots to bet 5k when my normal bet is 500. I need to win everything I possibly can on every dollar I risk - and that comes from getting the extra half penny when I can.

Yep. Unfortunately the penny and nickel lines vanished years ago. Now 10 cents is the very best out here that I know of.

However, we both know that until he realizes (what youve tried to explain several times now to no avail, the formula that he needs for bet size and number of bets per month to survive and make his nutt each month) he may as well be using a 50 cent line to stop the suffering quickly. Its simple math. He will run out of money!

GreenleafSports

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:30 PM ET #4733

bunk im just curious to how u pick your winners a dart board? what is your best play of the day joker ? lets see how good of a capper you are just watch the game go under 209.5 and shut up

hell even tell your buddies you learned how to cap today and give them my pick . and if you want to slap me im in boston mass PACK A LUNCH TOUGH GUY

Laroja

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:30 PM ET #4734

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFuGfwIhv14

collegegambler

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:33 PM ET #4735

3 hours till tip. Everyone thinks hawks are pi$$ed after loss to sixers and they prob Are but ur not thinking of my angle on this game... The hawks are ready to slump!! I'm getting +11 also. Queens HUGE

JicJac

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:34 PM ET #4736

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Jic Van

Wow. What a mistake to drop this at one casino.

yes, I can also say that casino's look for avoidance methods around title 31. example, he walks to the counter and wants to make a 2500 wager, and then returns minutes later (if the line is the same) and makes another 2500 wager. its at this point that the supervisor will make him put the play on ONE ticket. Now, yes there are folks that go unrecognized and are able to get past without being caught...but, I can tell you a staff that is wired in and knows what their doing will catch this move 95% of the time.

Bluefin

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:37 PM ET #4737

If you file as a professional gambler they will look at any FinCEN 114 forms your name appears on if audited but as you say if it is your intention is to pay all of your tax obligations you have nothing to fear as long as your not funneling cash out of the country. It's more of a tool for homeland security than for IRS.

vanzack

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:38 PM ET #4738

Quote Originally Posted by Bluefin:

Financial Crimes Enforcement Network FinCEN Form 114

Bluefin - yeah - you are correct. But it would have to be audited. And it doesn't show an amount or income. It just says "this guy had at least 10k in cash on him at this time".

The IRS is interested in income. So while it might be something they would be interested in - it is not necessarily something they would be interested in.

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The Hawk

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:38 PM ET #4739

WHEN TDOG TOLD THE TRUTH YOU GUYS BANNED HIM. HE SAID THIS KID WAS A PSYCHO, A SOCIOPATH...YOU GUYS BANNED HIM, BARON KEPT CURSING HIM. THE BIGGEST PIECE OF SHITT ON THIS SITE NAMED THE HAWK, DIDN'T LISTEN, EVERYTHING TDOG SAID CAME TRUE, AND HAWK LOOKS LIKE THE DUMB FUCKK NOW...HAVE YOU SEEN THESE VIDEOS? THIS KID IS A DISASTER

Hey, wassup, Dog? Glad I could make it to #1 on your list!

You know, you come up with so many names and then get banned, it's hard to keep track!

You really are a LOSER. I know you’ve been told that many times, but I’m just going to stick with your amazing betting advice…….

I’m not going to go with your 3-6-13 “system”………………it’s been a proven loser, as you should know from your Dallas Maverick bet…………oopsie!

Back when you were a “writer for the MGM Grand” you told CG to bet this:

Miami

Cleveland

And just to make sure how great these bets were, to parlay them.

Well, Miami covered against the Wizards on the road, but Cleveland lost outright to…………..wait for it………………………..THE HAWKS!

I know. Ironic, isn’t it?

Big, tough, guy telling CG what a loser he was, losing two $1100 bets………..

Yet, you shelled out $9900 (3x your ‘usual’ bet of $3300), won once, netting you $6300. Which means you LOST $3600…………….and you’re giving advice?

Now, you call CG a sociopath. What do you call someone that continues to create aliases over and over again, getting banned each time, and keeps spouting the same thing over and over again……………..and expects something to change?

I’ll say one thing for CG-AT LEAST HE’S NOT A LIAR

BunkMoreland

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:40 PM ET #4740

Where u watching the game at cg?

Get someplace nice n early

Get the crowd involved

Win the crowd win the game lol

Champ_Iz_Here

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:42 PM ET #4741

lets get some more chug videos..maybe snort a few lines (on camera)

RodWoman

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:43 PM ET #4742

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Early in the thread, you solicit advice and talk about it.

Later in the thread - when things go south - you don't listen or want it.

No problems. Your thread, your shitshow. You know it all.

I will collect my 5k, give it to a charity in your honor - and something will come out of this other than weeks of entertainment in this thread.

But make no mistake. You are not a pro. You are heading back to a 9-5. This is just a vacation.

Ok. We get it. You're going to collect 5k and give it to charity. In his honor. You made a great bet. And he is not a pro. He's going home. Give it a rest, all-knowing Vanzack.

collegegambler

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:48 PM ET #4743

I'm watching videos online on how to improve my tilapia cooking. This will help me relax before the largest bet of my illustrious career. I'm in the mood to chug one too. Video upcoming shortly

Ballerholic

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Posts: 145

Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:51 PM ET #4744

Vanzack- what do you do for a living?

Ballerholic

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:56 PM ET #4745

Hey CG, just watched your latest video. Just wanted to say thanks for the neck strain bro.

collegegambler

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:57 PM ET #4746

Haha ballerholic hop on the queens with me

collegegambler

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 4:59 PM ET #4747

Just uploaded a good luck chug video. Didn't work last night. I was also sick enough to play the queens in streak survivor. Anytime I play the same team I bet in streak survivor I have lost. I feel like I gotta do something crazy like that to break this losing streak

collegegambler

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 5:10 PM ET #4748

I really love this place shorts and tee shirts for all but maybe 5 days of my first month here and sun daily. I grew up in jersey and would never hate on it but the constant rain in the spring, snow in the winter and just cloudy days are sickening. CG isn't soft so the cold dosent bother him but just like any other human being it's nice to have 65-80 everyday like here and sunshine. Oh but the summers? They r brutal right? Well according to so many I'll be home by then. Even if I lose this bet I will still be here by football season and Vanzack (who I mentioned I respect a ton) will unfortunately lose his bet. I have two steps to make that happen. If I lose tonight it's time to go back to AA (went twice and spoke and heard stories and I didn't wanna touch booze for a while and actually stayed sober for six months) and also anger management classes because my rage is bad at times, along with solid money management. With a 22K savings account I feel like if I just bet mostly $550/$500 a game if I pick at my normal 60% I'll be around for football season... Drinking and anger r two issues I should address win or lose tonight though but I won't if I win because I am that big of a jerkofff and I'll admit it. At least I don't drink and drive anymore I used to and thank my lucky stars I was never killed from that or even worse inadvertently hurt someone else.

smacksmiter

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 5:11 PM ET #4749

Best of luck tonight CG.

Even though you will "paying your taxes", you still want flexibility in that entire situation. Certainly keep all your tickets but do not put yourself in situations where you give information that you do not need to. Learn how to say no when they demand information. Definitely split up the bets into tickets under 3k totals.

Some research online is in order for safe avoidance techniques. Once that stuff gets in someone's database, its there forever.

PM for the skinny on the down low

collegegambler

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Posted: Mar. 9, 2015 - 5:12 PM ET #4750

My bankroll would be 15-20K higher if not complications from drinking. DUI, arrested 3 times, disorderly conduct etc. The slammer is no fun

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