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    jakeandba
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 5:01 PM ET #26

    i was about to ask the same thing, what kinda filter is proposed to help make the system more profitable?
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    i was about to ask the same thing, what kinda filter is proposed to help make the system more profitable?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 6:25 PM ET #27

    I don't know of any really good filters to use.  In essence we are counting on the odds makers as a filter to not make a crap team -150 favorite....  We could use Call82 tier system and not play tier 3 teams (TOR and BAL were both tier 3).  I am finishing up running 2008 for NL right now, then I will look back at who caused the losses last season, this might give us more insight into a good filter.
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    I don't know of any really good filters to use.  In essence we are counting on the odds makers as a filter to not make a crap team -150 favorite....  We could use Call82 tier system and not play tier 3 teams (TOR and BAL were both tier 3).  I am finishing up running 2008 for NL right now, then I will look back at who caused the losses last season, this might give us more insight into a good filter.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 6:36 PM ET #28

    That sounds like a great idea...also it sounds like the -150 is based on the opening line or the closing line? 

    Sorry if i missed that part, been doing a ton of reading.

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    That sounds like a great idea...also it sounds like the -150 is based on the opening line or the closing line? 

    Sorry if i missed that part, been doing a ton of reading.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 7:02 PM ET #29

    The only data I have to backtest is the closing line, which is kind of hard to predict.  As I was backtesting if I saw a line of saw -147, I included it thinking it very well had been -150 close to closing.
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    The only data I have to backtest is the closing line, which is kind of hard to predict.  As I was backtesting if I saw a line of saw -147, I included it thinking it very well had been -150 close to closing.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 7:06 PM ET #30

    2008 data:

    AL: 117-4

    NL:  141-6

    Combined:  258-10

    Playing any favorite >-200 on -1.5 RL would add 3 losses = 255-13, a few teams had multiple losses.  Will detail 2009 losses in next post.

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    2008 data:

    AL: 117-4

    NL:  141-6

    Combined:  258-10

    Playing any favorite >-200 on -1.5 RL would add 3 losses = 255-13, a few teams had multiple losses.  Will detail 2009 losses in next post.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 7:33 PM ET #31

    Guys, look at the A, B, and C game records!  Just use a 3 line LaBouchere and bank the cash!  With that kind of won-loss record you wont have to filter out anybody, just play the system and anyone who gets swept will be picked up by future plays.  Backtest this a few more years back.  If it holds true this is a phenominal system!
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    Guys, look at the A, B, and C game records!  Just use a 3 line LaBouchere and bank the cash!  With that kind of won-loss record you wont have to filter out anybody, just play the system and anyone who gets swept will be picked up by future plays.  Backtest this a few more years back.  If it holds true this is a phenominal system!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 7:48 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by MILKMAN0923:

    here are ones i already like that have a series starting on monday depending on what kind of lines u can get...i would use any of these for a chase if the open line is decent.....

    was @ PHI   -256  wow

    hou @ STL  -211

    pit @ SF -175

    kc @ DET    -183

    my only road series i like is  TB -155 @ bal


    a lot of juice, i also think Toronto +111 can steal 1 at home from the white soz
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    Quote Originally Posted by MILKMAN0923:

    here are ones i already like that have a series starting on monday depending on what kind of lines u can get...i would use any of these for a chase if the open line is decent.....

    was @ PHI   -256  wow

    hou @ STL  -211

    pit @ SF -175

    kc @ DET    -183

    my only road series i like is  TB -155 @ bal


    a lot of juice, i also think Toronto +111 can steal 1 at home from the white soz
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 7:55 PM ET #33

    2009 losses:

    Favored team(record for year)           Oponent         Line        Date

    MIN  (9-1)                                       LAA            -154          7/31

    TOR (6-2)                                       FLA              -210         6/12

                                                        @ATL            -168         5/24

    St L (15-1)                                     COL               -170         6/7

    PHI  (16-1)                                     TOR               -182        6/16

    FLA (10-1)                                    @WAS            -170         8/6

    ATL (12-1)                                      FLA                -158        4/6

    ---would have been a rough couple of weeks last year at end of may beginning of June...not consistent in prev years.

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    2009 losses:

    Favored team(record for year)           Oponent         Line        Date

    MIN  (9-1)                                       LAA            -154          7/31

    TOR (6-2)                                       FLA              -210         6/12

                                                        @ATL            -168         5/24

    St L (15-1)                                     COL               -170         6/7

    PHI  (16-1)                                     TOR               -182        6/16

    FLA (10-1)                                    @WAS            -170         8/6

    ATL (12-1)                                      FLA                -158        4/6

    ---would have been a rough couple of weeks last year at end of may beginning of June...not consistent in prev years.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 8:18 PM ET #34

    Think at this point, it becomes a choice that each of us has to make.

     

    Playing the RL with any and all teams that are at the -150 closing line or worse.

    If this is the course decided by the individual, then be prepared to play and extra game or lose an extra series.

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    Think at this point, it becomes a choice that each of us has to make.

     

    Playing the RL with any and all teams that are at the -150 closing line or worse.

    If this is the course decided by the individual, then be prepared to play and extra game or lose an extra series.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 8:23 PM ET #35

    For 2009 losses, 3 out of 7 were interleague play.  Might be a good filter not to play interleague series, unless there are a ton of wins coming from them.

    If you can, check the 2008 losses and see if any were interleague.

    Also, I hate to ask you Rizz, but do you think you can backtest 2007?  It would be great to have 3 seasons and see if all are consistent.
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    For 2009 losses, 3 out of 7 were interleague play.  Might be a good filter not to play interleague series, unless there are a ton of wins coming from them.

    If you can, check the 2008 losses and see if any were interleague.

    Also, I hate to ask you Rizz, but do you think you can backtest 2007?  It would be great to have 3 seasons and see if all are consistent.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 8:45 PM ET #36

    2007 in the works Cinderella.  Good pickup on the interleague games.  I looked at the 2008 losses and 1 out of 6 losses for the NL were during interleague games SD vs MIN 6/24.  I have to mark the games for AL 2008 still, just ran through the season keeping a running tally in my head instead of taking the time to mark each game.

    People can play this as they deem best, I don't have a large bankroll so will probably play a three line labby.  For those that want to play the -1.5RL to decrease juice, I have posted how many losses this would add for last season previously.  When I originally tested this I planned to play -1.5 line regardless of the line (i.e. even if the initially favorite was an underdog in game 2/3, I would still play -1.5), this resulted in 30 losses for last year. 

    I am going to post the plays as a three game chase on the ML.  If there is very high juice I will post both and each person can play or not play in the style they would like.  I have worked very hard to crunch these numbers and will be making the plays myself.  I will feel bad enough if I lose money, but would feel horrible if others did because of this so please proceed with caution and cap these plays yourself.  If it goes against what you feel is a good play don't do it.  I am hoping between this and the sweep chase system we can win some money this season.

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    2007 in the works Cinderella.  Good pickup on the interleague games.  I looked at the 2008 losses and 1 out of 6 losses for the NL were during interleague games SD vs MIN 6/24.  I have to mark the games for AL 2008 still, just ran through the season keeping a running tally in my head instead of taking the time to mark each game.

    People can play this as they deem best, I don't have a large bankroll so will probably play a three line labby.  For those that want to play the -1.5RL to decrease juice, I have posted how many losses this would add for last season previously.  When I originally tested this I planned to play -1.5 line regardless of the line (i.e. even if the initially favorite was an underdog in game 2/3, I would still play -1.5), this resulted in 30 losses for last year. 

    I am going to post the plays as a three game chase on the ML.  If there is very high juice I will post both and each person can play or not play in the style they would like.  I have worked very hard to crunch these numbers and will be making the plays myself.  I will feel bad enough if I lose money, but would feel horrible if others did because of this so please proceed with caution and cap these plays yourself.  If it goes against what you feel is a good play don't do it.  I am hoping between this and the sweep chase system we can win some money this season.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 8:49 PM ET #37

    2008 NL numbers by game (with ML plays)

    141-6

    Game 1 wins = 98     (98- 49, 66.7%)

    Game 2 wins = 34     (34-15, 69.4%)

    Game 3 wins = 9       (9-6, 60%)             (141-70, 66.8%)

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    2008 NL numbers by game (with ML plays)

    141-6

    Game 1 wins = 98     (98- 49, 66.7%)

    Game 2 wins = 34     (34-15, 69.4%)

    Game 3 wins = 9       (9-6, 60%)             (141-70, 66.8%)

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 9:12 PM ET #38

    so if the bank roll was large enough there would be 9 plays tomorrow?

    TB

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    Det

    SF

    Fla

    Atl

    Stl

    Philly

    Cubs

    This is correct right?  Since every team is at -150 or worse according to lines out now at the Greek.

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    so if the bank roll was large enough there would be 9 plays tomorrow?

    TB

    Red Sox

    Det

    SF

    Fla

    Atl

    Stl

    Philly

    Cubs

    This is correct right?  Since every team is at -150 or worse according to lines out now at the Greek.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 9:13 PM ET #39

    Rizz, that 258-10 is with absolutely no runlines, correct?

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    Rizz, that 258-10 is with absolutely no runlines, correct?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 9:19 PM ET #40

    Rizz:

    In case I forgot, thanks for all the hard work in this project.  It is much appreciated.

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    Rizz:

    In case I forgot, thanks for all the hard work in this project.  It is much appreciated.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 9:21 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by jakeandba:

    so if the bank roll was large enough there would be 9 plays tomorrow?

    TB

    Red Sox

    Det

    SF

    Fla

    Atl

    Stl

    Philly

    Cubs

    This is correct right?  Since every team is at -150 or worse according to lines out now at the Greek.



    philly isnt under -150 or r you talking about RL bets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeandba:

    so if the bank roll was large enough there would be 9 plays tomorrow?

    TB

    Red Sox

    Det

    SF

    Fla

    Atl

    Stl

    Philly

    Cubs

    This is correct right?  Since every team is at -150 or worse according to lines out now at the Greek.



    philly isnt under -150 or r you talking about RL bets?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 9:24 PM ET #42

    Plays for 4/11, play at your own risk:

    System record 1-0-0

     

    Series #1 (game 1) 1:05          kc @ DET -190

    Series #2 (game 1) 2:25         mil @ CHC -155

    Series #3 (game 1) 3:05         was @ PHI -270, -1.5 RL ??

    Series #4 (game 1) 4:15         BOS @ minn +150

    Series #5 (game 1) 4:15         hou @ STL -220, -1.5 RL ??

    Series #6 (game 1) 6:35         ATL -155@ sd

    Series #7 (game 1) 7:05         TB -155 @ bal

    Series #8 (game 1) 7:15         cin @ FLA -155

    Series #9 (game 1) 10:15       pit @ SF -180

    ?? meant odds weren't available at this time.  Watch the odds this system was backtested with the closing line, so if a line drops below -140, I would not play it. 

    Does anyone know what books offer -1 RL as I would like to play these games with this line and it isn't available at my book?

     

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    Plays for 4/11, play at your own risk:

    System record 1-0-0

     

    Series #1 (game 1) 1:05          kc @ DET -190

    Series #2 (game 1) 2:25         mil @ CHC -155

    Series #3 (game 1) 3:05         was @ PHI -270, -1.5 RL ??

    Series #4 (game 1) 4:15         BOS @ minn +150

    Series #5 (game 1) 4:15         hou @ STL -220, -1.5 RL ??

    Series #6 (game 1) 6:35         ATL -155@ sd

    Series #7 (game 1) 7:05         TB -155 @ bal

    Series #8 (game 1) 7:15         cin @ FLA -155

    Series #9 (game 1) 10:15       pit @ SF -180

    ?? meant odds weren't available at this time.  Watch the odds this system was backtested with the closing line, so if a line drops below -140, I would not play it. 

    Does anyone know what books offer -1 RL as I would like to play these games with this line and it isn't available at my book?

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 9:30 PM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by SUPEREAGLE43:

    Rizz, that 258-10 is with absolutely no runlines, correct?

    If you can get a -1 RL record would be very similar with a few pushes.  If you play -1.5 for odds higher than -190 would have added 3 losses.  I have the game by game data for making all plays on the -1.5 RL regardless of the games odds.  I can calculate that and post it if you would find it of use.  I have avoided posting it because I didn't want to confuse things.

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    Rizz, that 258-10 is with absolutely no runlines, correct?

    If you can get a -1 RL record would be very similar with a few pushes.  If you play -1.5 for odds higher than -190 would have added 3 losses.  I have the game by game data for making all plays on the -1.5 RL regardless of the games odds.  I can calculate that and post it if you would find it of use.  I have avoided posting it because I didn't want to confuse things.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 9:36 PM ET #44

    are you gonns pplay all these gms or r u just tracking?
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    are you gonns pplay all these gms or r u just tracking?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 9:44 PM ET #45

    Not necessary, thanks.  I am more interested in just moneyline.
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    Not necessary, thanks.  I am more interested in just moneyline.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 10:03 PM ET #46

    I know a lot of people are worried about the juice.  This could really hurt us if a series was high in all three games.  Most series it was pretty variable.  If you feel a series is likely to be very high juice at all levels it may not be worth the risk, or just play first game and see if it hits.  As previously mentioned I am going to use a three line labby as this is the first year doing this and I don't have a large bankroll to chase 5 series into a game three.  I will probably play all the series at least game 1's.  I am literally going to bet these to win 1/4 or 1/8th of a unit until I get a better feel for how this will go.  Every season runs the risk of screwing up the previous patterns.  BOL and play at your own risk
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    I know a lot of people are worried about the juice.  This could really hurt us if a series was high in all three games.  Most series it was pretty variable.  If you feel a series is likely to be very high juice at all levels it may not be worth the risk, or just play first game and see if it hits.  As previously mentioned I am going to use a three line labby as this is the first year doing this and I don't have a large bankroll to chase 5 series into a game three.  I will probably play all the series at least game 1's.  I am literally going to bet these to win 1/4 or 1/8th of a unit until I get a better feel for how this will go.  Every season runs the risk of screwing up the previous patterns.  BOL and play at your own risk
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 10:08 PM ET #47

    Rizz, you don't need a book that offers -1RL.  Just make your own.  Basically, let's say your a $100 bettor.  You would risk 65 on the ML and 35 on the RL.  Up to about -200 odds this works well enough to at least break even or lose a couple of bucks with a 1 run win.  

    Maybe this system we can play ML up to say -150 odds, 
    65/35 on odds between -150 and -200, 
    and RL on anything above -200 

    Something like that anyway.  Just to keep the lines from getting too far out of control.

    I'm hoping your 2007 numbers are right in line with 08 and 09!
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    Rizz, you don't need a book that offers -1RL.  Just make your own.  Basically, let's say your a $100 bettor.  You would risk 65 on the ML and 35 on the RL.  Up to about -200 odds this works well enough to at least break even or lose a couple of bucks with a 1 run win.  

    Maybe this system we can play ML up to say -150 odds, 
    65/35 on odds between -150 and -200, 
    and RL on anything above -200 

    Something like that anyway.  Just to keep the lines from getting too far out of control.

    I'm hoping your 2007 numbers are right in line with 08 and 09!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    If you can get a -1 RL record would be very similar with a few pushes.  If you play -1.5 for odds higher than -190 would have added 3 losses.  I have the game by game data for making all plays on the -1.5 RL regardless of the games odds.  I can calculate that and post it if you would find it of use.  I have avoided posting it because I didn't want to confuse things.

     

    If I understand this correctly, is it possible to give results for playing RL for fav with -150 or worse in both leagues for previous years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    If you can get a -1 RL record would be very similar with a few pushes.  If you play -1.5 for odds higher than -190 would have added 3 losses.  I have the game by game data for making all plays on the -1.5 RL regardless of the games odds.  I can calculate that and post it if you would find it of use.  I have avoided posting it because I didn't want to confuse things.

     

    If I understand this correctly, is it possible to give results for playing RL for fav with -150 or worse in both leagues for previous years?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2010 - 10:14 PM ET #49

    I am not sure how everyone is going to play the system this year, i.e. runline, moneyline, etc.  To be complete. I want to make sure everyone has as much info as I do before they make the plays.  Here are the numbers if you play EVERY game on the -1.5 RL regardless of the odds.

    AL 2009 (all plays on the -1.5 runline regardless of odds)= 109-10

    Game 1 wins= 66 (66-53, 55.4%)

    Game 2 wins = 22 (22-31, 41%)

    Game 3 wins = 21 (21-10, 67.7%)          109-94, 53.7%

    NL 2009 = 114-19

    Game 1 wins = 74    (74-59, 55.6%)

    Game 2 wins = 29    (29-30, 49.1%)

    Game 3 wins = 11    (11-19, 36.6%)        114-108, 51.4%

     

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    I am not sure how everyone is going to play the system this year, i.e. runline, moneyline, etc.  To be complete. I want to make sure everyone has as much info as I do before they make the plays.  Here are the numbers if you play EVERY game on the -1.5 RL regardless of the odds.

    AL 2009 (all plays on the -1.5 runline regardless of odds)= 109-10

    Game 1 wins= 66 (66-53, 55.4%)

    Game 2 wins = 22 (22-31, 41%)

    Game 3 wins = 21 (21-10, 67.7%)          109-94, 53.7%

    NL 2009 = 114-19

    Game 1 wins = 74    (74-59, 55.6%)

    Game 2 wins = 29    (29-30, 49.1%)

    Game 3 wins = 11    (11-19, 36.6%)        114-108, 51.4%

     

     
     
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    Cinderella, I think that would be a good way to play it!  I think I will try that for tomorrows games.  I will keep posting them in the way that I did tonight.  A win will be recorded when the ML hits.
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    Cinderella, I think that would be a good way to play it!  I think I will try that for tomorrows games.  I will keep posting them in the way that I did tonight.  A win will be recorded when the ML hits.
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