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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 3:37 AM ET #1

    I have created a system in an excel document that has taken me various days. It is a result of the following statistics.

    • Goaltender GAA
    • Goaltender SV %
    • Shots per game
    • Predicted shots taken before a goal will be scored
    • Goal Differentials
    • Goals scored by team in comparison to the NHL average
    • Goals allowed by team in comparison to the NHL average
    • Home win % (if home team)
    • Away win % (if away team)
    • Past 10 record
    Each of these statistics has its own function in the formula. To explain the intricacies of the formula would take hours.

    Essentially it is as follows:

    • Avg SOG's to score a goal is a factor of avg SOG's. Once that number is derived it is manipulated by use of the goaltenders SV % to determine the goals that should be allowed with respect to the goalie vs shots factor.
    • A score is then determined for the amount of goals scored compared to league average. A score above 1 indicates a high scoring team. A score below 1 indicates a low scoring team.
    • A score is then determined for the amount of goals allowed compared to league average. A score above 1 indicates a team that gives up a lot of goals. A score below 1 indicates a team that gives up few goals.
    • Past 10 games and situational record (I.E. home record for home team, away record for away team) effect the equation at a factor of 10%.
    • Differential is then factored in as well.
    This is a very basic outline of the system and does not even begin to communicate the amount of work that has been put in but thus far this season the system has yet to record a losing night. It predicts winning % for each team as well as the total goals in a given game.
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    I have created a system in an excel document that has taken me various days. It is a result of the following statistics.

    • Goaltender GAA
    • Goaltender SV %
    • Shots per game
    • Predicted shots taken before a goal will be scored
    • Goal Differentials
    • Goals scored by team in comparison to the NHL average
    • Goals allowed by team in comparison to the NHL average
    • Home win % (if home team)
    • Away win % (if away team)
    • Past 10 record
    Each of these statistics has its own function in the formula. To explain the intricacies of the formula would take hours.

    Essentially it is as follows:

    • Avg SOG's to score a goal is a factor of avg SOG's. Once that number is derived it is manipulated by use of the goaltenders SV % to determine the goals that should be allowed with respect to the goalie vs shots factor.
    • A score is then determined for the amount of goals scored compared to league average. A score above 1 indicates a high scoring team. A score below 1 indicates a low scoring team.
    • A score is then determined for the amount of goals allowed compared to league average. A score above 1 indicates a team that gives up a lot of goals. A score below 1 indicates a team that gives up few goals.
    • Past 10 games and situational record (I.E. home record for home team, away record for away team) effect the equation at a factor of 10%.
    • Differential is then factored in as well.
    This is a very basic outline of the system and does not even begin to communicate the amount of work that has been put in but thus far this season the system has yet to record a losing night. It predicts winning % for each team as well as the total goals in a given game.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 7:10 AM ET #2

    Thanks for sharing, good luck
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    Thanks for sharing, good luck
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 11:56 AM ET #3

    Will you be posting the plays here?


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    Will you be posting the plays here?


     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 1:08 PM ET #4

    Sure. I will post every result starting today. Results for today will be posted by 4PM EST
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    Sure. I will post every result starting today. Results for today will be posted by 4PM EST
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 1:35 PM ET #5

    Posting results, not posting plays before the start of games?
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    Posting results, not posting plays before the start of games?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 2:10 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Pandalicious:

    Sure. I will post every result starting today. Results for today will be posted by 4PM EST

    Disregard my previous post. By posting by 4 EST would be before games played today. When you say "results for today" I'm assuming that is the results from your number run in excel for that day.

    Very interested in this. BOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandalicious:

    Sure. I will post every result starting today. Results for today will be posted by 4PM EST

    Disregard my previous post. By posting by 4 EST would be before games played today. When you say "results for today" I'm assuming that is the results from your number run in excel for that day.

    Very interested in this. BOL

     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 3:02 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Disregard my previous post. By posting by 4 EST would be before games played today. When you say "results for today" I'm assuming that is the results from your number run in excel for that day.

    Very interested in this. BOL


    Exactly. Currently working on them now. They will be up within 30 min. Please check back shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Disregard my previous post. By posting by 4 EST would be before games played today. When you say "results for today" I'm assuming that is the results from your number run in excel for that day.

    Very interested in this. BOL


    Exactly. Currently working on them now. They will be up within 30 min. Please check back shortly.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 3:12 PM ET #8

    The predictions are posted below. Please note that a score of 5 or more in Total Goals Estimated Value indicates a prediction of over. A score of 5 or less indicates under.

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    DET (MRAZEK) @ TOR (REIMER)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.505021614
    Away Predicted Scoring 2.758162632
    Home Chance of Victory 42.49144512
    Away Chance of Victory 57.50855488
    Total Goals Estimated Value 5.263184246




    CHI (CRAWFORD) @ NJD (SCHNEIDER)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.203568411
    Away Predicted Scoring 1.879760262
    Home Chance of Victory 73.48044836
    Away Chance of Victory 26.51955164
    Total Goals Estimated Value 4.083328673




    DAL (LEHTONEN) @ CAR (LACK)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.95976612
    Away Predicted Scoring 3.670286841
    Home Chance of Victory 46.72501285
    Away Chance of Victory 53.27498715
    Total Goals Estimated Value 6.630052961
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    The predictions are posted below. Please note that a score of 5 or more in Total Goals Estimated Value indicates a prediction of over. A score of 5 or less indicates under.

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    DET (MRAZEK) @ TOR (REIMER)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.505021614
    Away Predicted Scoring 2.758162632
    Home Chance of Victory 42.49144512
    Away Chance of Victory 57.50855488
    Total Goals Estimated Value 5.263184246




    CHI (CRAWFORD) @ NJD (SCHNEIDER)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.203568411
    Away Predicted Scoring 1.879760262
    Home Chance of Victory 73.48044836
    Away Chance of Victory 26.51955164
    Total Goals Estimated Value 4.083328673




    DAL (LEHTONEN) @ CAR (LACK)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.95976612
    Away Predicted Scoring 3.670286841
    Home Chance of Victory 46.72501285
    Away Chance of Victory 53.27498715
    Total Goals Estimated Value 6.630052961
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 3:12 PM ET #9

    NYR (LUNDQVIST) @ COL (BERRA)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.364778282
    Away Predicted Scoring 2.531851292
    Home Chance of Victory 40.64196736
    Away Chance of Victory 59.35803264
    Total Goals Estimated Value 4.896629575




    PITT (ZATKOFF) @ EDM (NILSSON)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.366960857
    Away Predicted Scoring 3.01847785
    Home Chance of Victory 20.27675187
    Away Chance of Victory 79.72324813
    Total Goals Estimated Value 5.385438707




    CBJ (McELHINNEY) @ ANA (ANDERSEN)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.392752079
    Away Predicted Scoring 2.172041695
    Home Chance of Victory 47.71378015
    Away Chance of Victory 52.28621985
    Total Goals Estimated Value 4.564793773
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    NYR (LUNDQVIST) @ COL (BERRA)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.364778282
    Away Predicted Scoring 2.531851292
    Home Chance of Victory 40.64196736
    Away Chance of Victory 59.35803264
    Total Goals Estimated Value 4.896629575




    PITT (ZATKOFF) @ EDM (NILSSON)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.366960857
    Away Predicted Scoring 3.01847785
    Home Chance of Victory 20.27675187
    Away Chance of Victory 79.72324813
    Total Goals Estimated Value 5.385438707




    CBJ (McELHINNEY) @ ANA (ANDERSEN)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.392752079
    Away Predicted Scoring 2.172041695
    Home Chance of Victory 47.71378015
    Away Chance of Victory 52.28621985
    Total Goals Estimated Value 4.564793773
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 5:26 PM ET #10

    Looks intriguing. BOL in your efforts. What do you figure would be the magic number in "chance of victory" to actually make a play ?
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    Looks intriguing. BOL in your efforts. What do you figure would be the magic number in "chance of victory" to actually make a play ?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 6:05 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by jenjay23:

    Looks intriguing. BOL in your efforts. What do you figure would be the magic number in "chance of victory" to actually make a play ?

    That is a great question.

    The short answer is:
    It is too difficult to determine. Many factors are in play.

    The long answer is:
    When I make my bets I find it important to look at many different things. Although each night, the system as a whole is often correct, I like to minimize potential losses by doing additional investigation.

    My favorite trends/information to examine are:
    • Recent scores against common opponents.
    • Head-to-head matchup history between the two teams.
    • Whether or not either team is on a back-to-back.
    • Injuries.
    • Extenuating circumstances (I.E. coaching change).
    The way you need to look at it is simple. If a 73% chance of victory is returned for TEAM A, it means given that matchup you can expect a victory by TEAM A in that particular matchup 73/100 times. Sometimes you will get stifled by the incidences of TEAM B winning at 27%.

    I've seen many nights that teams predicted in the 50%-59% range all win and teams predicted at 65%+ don't fare as well as anticipated.

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    I'm not sure any of the above gives you a suitable answer for your question, but I'm hopeful that it at least provides some help.

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    As a post script anecdote I'd like to add that I've created a system of this sort for all of the following sports.
    • NCAA Football
    • NHL
    • NBA
    • NFL
    • MLB
    If enough interest is garnished by this system I will post explanations and results for all of the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenjay23:

    Looks intriguing. BOL in your efforts. What do you figure would be the magic number in "chance of victory" to actually make a play ?

    That is a great question.

    The short answer is:
    It is too difficult to determine. Many factors are in play.

    The long answer is:
    When I make my bets I find it important to look at many different things. Although each night, the system as a whole is often correct, I like to minimize potential losses by doing additional investigation.

    My favorite trends/information to examine are:
    • Recent scores against common opponents.
    • Head-to-head matchup history between the two teams.
    • Whether or not either team is on a back-to-back.
    • Injuries.
    • Extenuating circumstances (I.E. coaching change).
    The way you need to look at it is simple. If a 73% chance of victory is returned for TEAM A, it means given that matchup you can expect a victory by TEAM A in that particular matchup 73/100 times. Sometimes you will get stifled by the incidences of TEAM B winning at 27%.

    I've seen many nights that teams predicted in the 50%-59% range all win and teams predicted at 65%+ don't fare as well as anticipated.

    --

    I'm not sure any of the above gives you a suitable answer for your question, but I'm hopeful that it at least provides some help.

    --

    As a post script anecdote I'd like to add that I've created a system of this sort for all of the following sports.
    • NCAA Football
    • NHL
    • NBA
    • NFL
    • MLB
    If enough interest is garnished by this system I will post explanations and results for all of the others.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 8:13 PM ET #12

    Nice to see someone attempt some actual handicapping around here
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 8:17 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by oilcountry99:

    Nice to see someone attempt some actual handicapping around here

    I appreciate the compliment.

    This is my passion. I don't work. I gamble. I'm good at it too. Your kind words are appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oilcountry99:

    Nice to see someone attempt some actual handicapping around here

    I appreciate the compliment.

    This is my passion. I don't work. I gamble. I'm good at it too. Your kind words are appreciated.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 9:34 PM ET #14

    I have a question. In the Det @ Tor game, you show Det predicted goals at 2.75 and Tor at 2.50, but home team (Tor) favored to 57.5% of time. How do those numbers correlate?
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    I have a question. In the Det @ Tor game, you show Det predicted goals at 2.75 and Tor at 2.50, but home team (Tor) favored to 57.5% of time. How do those numbers correlate?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 9:38 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    I have a question. In the Det @ Tor game, you show Det predicted goals at 2.75 and Tor at 2.50, but home team (Tor) favored to 57.5% of time. How do those numbers correlate?

    Re-read. You have misread haha. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    I have a question. In the Det @ Tor game, you show Det predicted goals at 2.75 and Tor at 2.50, but home team (Tor) favored to 57.5% of time. How do those numbers correlate?

    Re-read. You have misread haha. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2015 - 9:43 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Pandalicious:


    Re-read. You have misread haha. 

    My apologies. Too much tequila.

    Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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    Re-read. You have misread haha. 

    My apologies. Too much tequila.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    My apologies. Too much tequila.


    No worries haha. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    My apologies. Too much tequila.


    No worries haha. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2015 - 12:46 AM ET #18

    DET (MRAZEK) @ TOR (REIMER)
    DET 
    OVER 5 




    CHI (CRAWFORD) @ NJD (SCHNEIDER)
    NJD 
    UNDER 5 




    DAL (LEHTONEN) @ CAR (LACK)
    DAL 
    OVER 5.5 




    NYR (LUNDQVIST) @ COL (BERRA)
    NYR 
    UNDER 5 




    PITT (ZATKOFF) @ EDM (NILSSON)
    PITT 
    OVER 5.5 




    CBJ (McELHINNEY) @ ANA (ANDERSEN)
    CBJ 
    UNDER 5.5 

    --

    Record
    Sides: 5-1
    Totals: 1-5
    Combined: 6-6

    Surprisingly NJD was predicted accurately as a fairly large underdog.

    I'm fairly certain with the juice that this day is just barely below even.

    Tomorrow will be better... Good luck all.
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    DET (MRAZEK) @ TOR (REIMER)
    DET 
    OVER 5 




    CHI (CRAWFORD) @ NJD (SCHNEIDER)
    NJD 
    UNDER 5 




    DAL (LEHTONEN) @ CAR (LACK)
    DAL 
    OVER 5.5 




    NYR (LUNDQVIST) @ COL (BERRA)
    NYR 
    UNDER 5 




    PITT (ZATKOFF) @ EDM (NILSSON)
    PITT 
    OVER 5.5 




    CBJ (McELHINNEY) @ ANA (ANDERSEN)
    CBJ 
    UNDER 5.5 

    --

    Record
    Sides: 5-1
    Totals: 1-5
    Combined: 6-6

    Surprisingly NJD was predicted accurately as a fairly large underdog.

    I'm fairly certain with the juice that this day is just barely below even.

    Tomorrow will be better... Good luck all.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2015 - 1:05 AM ET #19

    Prediction for tomorrow early game.


    VAN (MILLER) @ BUF (JOHNSON)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.377404772
    Away Predicted Scoring 3.073772833
    Home Chance of Victory 38.06048816
    Away Chance of Victory 61.93951184
    Total Goals Estimated Value 5.451177605
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    VAN (MILLER) @ BUF (JOHNSON)
    Home Predicted Scoring 2.377404772
    Away Predicted Scoring 3.073772833
    Home Chance of Victory 38.06048816
    Away Chance of Victory 61.93951184
    Total Goals Estimated Value 5.451177605
     
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    sides 5-1

    however, after review, this system appears to lean on sides, totals is an entirely different approach (I don't see a formulated concept connecting the mathcup of team goals scored to situational-play per defense/SOG), yet, it's only the beginning, and the 1-5 night should be looked at closely if it continues to produce losing results, adjustments are in order. appreciate your effort, and sharing some vg material pertaining to handicapping the NHL

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    sides 5-1

    however, after review, this system appears to lean on sides, totals is an entirely different approach (I don't see a formulated concept connecting the mathcup of team goals scored to situational-play per defense/SOG), yet, it's only the beginning, and the 1-5 night should be looked at closely if it continues to produce losing results, adjustments are in order. appreciate your effort, and sharing some vg material pertaining to handicapping the NHL

     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2015 - 10:10 AM ET #21

    I'm especially interested in games where the dog is predicted to win. A good dog win yesterday on NJ. 
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    I'm especially interested in games where the dog is predicted to win. A good dog win yesterday on NJ. 
     
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    NJ +120 home dog WIN
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    sides 5-1

    however, after review, this system appears to lean on sides, totals is an entirely different approach (I don't see a formulated concept connecting the mathcup of team goals scored to situational-play per defense/SOG), yet, it's only the beginning, and the 1-5 night should be looked at closely if it continues to produce losing results, adjustments are in order. appreciate your effort, and sharing some vg material pertaining to handicapping the NHL


    A 1-5 total night is an anomaly... Typically the totals are better than the sides to be honest. 

    Let's see how it fares today. So far we have VAN and OVER 5. 
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    sides 5-1

    however, after review, this system appears to lean on sides, totals is an entirely different approach (I don't see a formulated concept connecting the mathcup of team goals scored to situational-play per defense/SOG), yet, it's only the beginning, and the 1-5 night should be looked at closely if it continues to produce losing results, adjustments are in order. appreciate your effort, and sharing some vg material pertaining to handicapping the NHL


    A 1-5 total night is an anomaly... Typically the totals are better than the sides to be honest. 

    Let's see how it fares today. So far we have VAN and OVER 5. 
     
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    "Typically, the totals are better than the sides to be honest"

    well taken

    understanding the anomaly of one nights results....

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    "Typically, the totals are better than the sides to be honest"

    well taken

    understanding the anomaly of one nights results....

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    I'm especially interested in games where the dog is predicted to win. A good dog win yesterday on NJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    NJ +120 home dog WIN


    NJ was A -1.5 reverse puck line win to!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    I'm especially interested in games where the dog is predicted to win. A good dog win yesterday on NJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    NJ +120 home dog WIN


    NJ was A -1.5 reverse puck line win to!!
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