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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 1:17 PM ET #51

    still the same teams I think

    Teams we need to take the over
    NY Islanders
    Toronto 
    Tampa Bay
    Atlanta    
    Dallas    
    Detroit    
    San Jose
    Boston   
    Washington
    Chicago          
    St. Louis           
    Philadelphia   


    Any suggestions will be appreciated
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    still the same teams I think

    Teams we need to take the over
    NY Islanders
    Toronto 
    Tampa Bay
    Atlanta    
    Dallas    
    Detroit    
    San Jose
    Boston   
    Washington
    Chicago          
    St. Louis           
    Philadelphia   


    Any suggestions will be appreciated
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 1:40 PM ET #52

    I am with you on all the bets tonight Madden and Expert. My only variation is I am going to take the under 5 1/2 on Dallas/Columbus. Columbus has played under in 8 of its last 9 games and Dallas 4 of 5. Columbus has not scored more than 3 goals in its last 10 games and Dallas has not scored more than 3 in its last 7. They did combine for 9 goals when they played earlier this year though.  Just a hunch. Good luck to everyone!
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    I am with you on all the bets tonight Madden and Expert. My only variation is I am going to take the under 5 1/2 on Dallas/Columbus. Columbus has played under in 8 of its last 9 games and Dallas 4 of 5. Columbus has not scored more than 3 goals in its last 10 games and Dallas has not scored more than 3 in its last 7. They did combine for 9 goals when they played earlier this year though.  Just a hunch. Good luck to everyone!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 3:32 PM ET #53

    I have come to a conclusion and i am going to tweak the system a little more actually the top plays for tonight
    TOP PLAYS
    Florida
    Carolina   U 5.5

    Washington
    St Louis  O 6

    Nashville
    Phoenix      U 5.5

    This should go 2 wins and 1 loss just my opinion
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    I have come to a conclusion and i am going to tweak the system a little more actually the top plays for tonight
    TOP PLAYS
    Florida
    Carolina   U 5.5

    Washington
    St Louis  O 6

    Nashville
    Phoenix      U 5.5

    This should go 2 wins and 1 loss just my opinion
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 4:57 PM ET #54

    expert what did you do to tweak it down to those plays from all the ones above?  Don't we have to keep goin w/ san/det?
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    expert what did you do to tweak it down to those plays from all the ones above?  Don't we have to keep goin w/ san/det?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 5:05 PM ET #55

    Yes you can play Detroit/ San Jose but these are the top plays watch and see what happens. Just a little tweak advantage

    Thanks expert
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    Yes you can play Detroit/ San Jose but these are the top plays watch and see what happens. Just a little tweak advantage

    Thanks expert
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 5:38 PM ET #56

    .....I love Hockey now!!!!! 
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    .....I love Hockey now!!!!! 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 5:45 PM ET #57

    ....chevyman....I am just playing the "Old Simple System" that expertcapper came up with....before he tweaked it...
    ....playing the OT teams in a 3 game chase
    ...if line is 5 play over
    ...if line is 5.5 play under
     
    I have the same results as he has except I did not lose the Columbus game...so I guess his "old simple system"...
    ................... is 32-1...
     
    I will post to a new thread if expertcapper wants me to...
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    ....chevyman....I am just playing the "Old Simple System" that expertcapper came up with....before he tweaked it...
    ....playing the OT teams in a 3 game chase
    ...if line is 5 play over
    ...if line is 5.5 play under
     
    I have the same results as he has except I did not lose the Columbus game...so I guess his "old simple system"...
    ................... is 32-1...
     
    I will post to a new thread if expertcapper wants me to...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 10:45 PM ET #58

    I hope no one payed attention to my handicapping on the Dallas game. I don't understand how you can play that many games in a row under, then go over in just over one period! That is why you need to listen to Expert and Madden!! LOL  Wish I had just bet, and not handicapped the game. I am here to learn! Make me some money boys!!!
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    I hope no one payed attention to my handicapping on the Dallas game. I don't understand how you can play that many games in a row under, then go over in just over one period! That is why you need to listen to Expert and Madden!! LOL  Wish I had just bet, and not handicapped the game. I am here to learn! Make me some money boys!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 11:15 PM ET #59

    wow I think this was a great night altogether ... great way to get things rolling once again and great prediction with your top plays expert .
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    wow I think this was a great night altogether ... great way to get things rolling once again and great prediction with your top plays expert .
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 11:21 PM ET #60

    Great job tonight Expert!!!! You were 5-0 with a push. I am sorry I tried to handicap one of your games. It cost me money and I won't do it again!! Keep up the good work.
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    Great job tonight Expert!!!! You were 5-0 with a push. I am sorry I tried to handicap one of your games. It cost me money and I won't do it again!! Keep up the good work.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 11:25 PM ET #61

    2-0-1   GREAT NIGHT boys!   Expert great calls on the tweaking   Got wrapped up in the totals and forgot to take carolina tonight...saw on espn this am that they won something like 14 in a row against them?  Keep up the good work guys I'm payin for christmas by blindly tailing you guys!
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    2-0-1   GREAT NIGHT boys!   Expert great calls on the tweaking   Got wrapped up in the totals and forgot to take carolina tonight...saw on espn this am that they won something like 14 in a row against them?  Keep up the good work guys I'm payin for christmas by blindly tailing you guys!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 10:39 AM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by expertcapper:

    Maddenguru  correction where did you get over on Nashville/Phoenix

    Nashville
    Phoenix    U 5.5

    Toronto
    Boston    O 5.5

    St Louis
    Washington  O 5.5

    Florida
    Carolina    U 5.5

    San Jose
    Detroit   O 5.5

    Columbus
    Dallas    O 5.5

    Good Luck as always
    maddenguru thanks for updating on the NHL spoiler your help is much appreciated


    No problem - great night!

    I played NAS/PHO over 5.5 though because we were in game two of an over chase for each team.  NAS previously lost the first game of its over chase against DAL and PHO also previously lost the first game of their over chase against DAL.

    How come you had under?  And how were the tweaked picks determined?  I wish I would have known under was the play because I put the over in before my flight and when I landed I saw it didn't hit and everyone here had under as the play lol.

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    Maddenguru  correction where did you get over on Nashville/Phoenix

    Nashville
    Phoenix    U 5.5

    Toronto
    Boston    O 5.5

    St Louis
    Washington  O 5.5

    Florida
    Carolina    U 5.5

    San Jose
    Detroit   O 5.5

    Columbus
    Dallas    O 5.5

    Good Luck as always
    maddenguru thanks for updating on the NHL spoiler your help is much appreciated


    No problem - great night!

    I played NAS/PHO over 5.5 though because we were in game two of an over chase for each team.  NAS previously lost the first game of its over chase against DAL and PHO also previously lost the first game of their over chase against DAL.

    How come you had under?  And how were the tweaked picks determined?  I wish I would have known under was the play because I put the over in before my flight and when I landed I saw it didn't hit and everyone here had under as the play lol.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 10:51 AM ET #63

    Madden - I can answer that.

    We need to check the list of OVER teams before choosing which side of the total to take every game game of the chase. As you said, both teams had not hit the OVER when playing against Dallas which happens to be in the over team list here:

    Teams we need to take the over
    NY Islanders
    Toronto 
    Tampa Bay
    Atlanta    
    Dallas    
    Detroit    
    San Jose
    Boston   
    Washington
    Chicago          
    St. Louis           
    Philadelphia   


    But, thing is, neither Nashville nor Phoenix does appear in that list so no reason to take the over when they are playing each other because we know they are not high scoring teams and have decent defense.

    Hope this helped figure it out .
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    Madden - I can answer that.

    We need to check the list of OVER teams before choosing which side of the total to take every game game of the chase. As you said, both teams had not hit the OVER when playing against Dallas which happens to be in the over team list here:

    Teams we need to take the over
    NY Islanders
    Toronto 
    Tampa Bay
    Atlanta    
    Dallas    
    Detroit    
    San Jose
    Boston   
    Washington
    Chicago          
    St. Louis           
    Philadelphia   


    But, thing is, neither Nashville nor Phoenix does appear in that list so no reason to take the over when they are playing each other because we know they are not high scoring teams and have decent defense.

    Hope this helped figure it out .
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 10:54 AM ET #64

    Shit, just noticed it was a 4 unit play for you , tough break. Make sure you come check the thread out before locking in your plays.
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    Shit, just noticed it was a 4 unit play for you , tough break. Make sure you come check the thread out before locking in your plays.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 10:55 AM ET #65

    Phoenix is not one of the teams to play over dallas is one of the teams to play over but Phoenix is not. As you can see I corrected that
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    Maddenguru  correction where did you get over on Nashville/Phoenix
    Hope this did not cause any confusion> I apologize if it did.
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    Phoenix is not one of the teams to play over dallas is one of the teams to play over but Phoenix is not. As you can see I corrected that
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    Maddenguru  correction where did you get over on Nashville/Phoenix
    Hope this did not cause any confusion> I apologize if it did.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 10:58 AM ET #66

    The tweaking involves a very simple concept of each teams O/U
    I will list top plays everyday for now on.
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    The tweaking involves a very simple concept of each teams O/U
    I will list top plays everyday for now on.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 11:10 AM ET #67

    Overall record 36-2
    December 19
    Ottawa
    New Jersey  5   Play over if 5 but it has nothing to do with the NHL spoiler

    NY Islanders
    Minnesota  O 5.5

    LA
    Buffalo   U 5.5

    Chicago
    Calgary  O 5.5

    Top play

    Chicago
    Calgary   O 5.5

    Good luck as always








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    Overall record 36-2
    December 19
    Ottawa
    New Jersey  5   Play over if 5 but it has nothing to do with the NHL spoiler

    NY Islanders
    Minnesota  O 5.5

    LA
    Buffalo   U 5.5

    Chicago
    Calgary  O 5.5

    Top play

    Chicago
    Calgary   O 5.5

    Good luck as always








     
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    Quote Originally Posted by elithepunk:

    Madden - I can answer that.

    We need to check the list of OVER teams before choosing which side of the total to take every game game of the chase. As you said, both teams had not hit the OVER when playing against Dallas which happens to be in the over team list here:

    Teams we need to take the over
    NY Islanders
    Toronto 
    Tampa Bay
    Atlanta    
    Dallas    
    Detroit    
    San Jose
    Boston   
    Washington
    Chicago          
    St. Louis           
    Philadelphia   


    But, thing is, neither Nashville nor Phoenix does appear in that list so no reason to take the over when they are playing each other because we know they are not high scoring teams and have decent defense.

    Hope this helped figure it out .

    I just thought that since both NAS and PHO played an over team (DAL) in the first game of their chase and we played over in those games, that the rest of their chase would be for the over - regardless of who they played.  Otherwise it isn't much of a chase if we switch from over to under in the middle of the string - then it becomes more based on capping than using a chase system.

    I will post the plays for today early that I calculate to be the plays and then hopefully everyone puts their two cents in and we can lock these plays in kind of early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elithepunk:

    Madden - I can answer that.

    We need to check the list of OVER teams before choosing which side of the total to take every game game of the chase. As you said, both teams had not hit the OVER when playing against Dallas which happens to be in the over team list here:

    Teams we need to take the over
    NY Islanders
    Toronto 
    Tampa Bay
    Atlanta    
    Dallas    
    Detroit    
    San Jose
    Boston   
    Washington
    Chicago          
    St. Louis           
    Philadelphia   


    But, thing is, neither Nashville nor Phoenix does appear in that list so no reason to take the over when they are playing each other because we know they are not high scoring teams and have decent defense.

    Hope this helped figure it out .

    I just thought that since both NAS and PHO played an over team (DAL) in the first game of their chase and we played over in those games, that the rest of their chase would be for the over - regardless of who they played.  Otherwise it isn't much of a chase if we switch from over to under in the middle of the string - then it becomes more based on capping than using a chase system.

    I will post the plays for today early that I calculate to be the plays and then hopefully everyone puts their two cents in and we can lock these plays in kind of early.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaddenGuru:

    I just thought that since both NAS and PHO played an over team (DAL) in the first game of their chase and we played over in those games, that the rest of their chase would be for the over - regardless of who they played.  Otherwise it isn't much of a chase if we switch from over to under in the middle of the string - then it becomes more based on capping than using a chase system.



     I do agree somewhat but then again, in some cases, having a mix of handicapping and chasing leads to a solid system. I understand where the confusion stems from but I think expert has the right idea to switch from under to over and back to under depending on who is playing since it has too big of an effect on the outcome of the score.
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    I just thought that since both NAS and PHO played an over team (DAL) in the first game of their chase and we played over in those games, that the rest of their chase would be for the over - regardless of who they played.  Otherwise it isn't much of a chase if we switch from over to under in the middle of the string - then it becomes more based on capping than using a chase system.



     I do agree somewhat but then again, in some cases, having a mix of handicapping and chasing leads to a solid system. I understand where the confusion stems from but I think expert has the right idea to switch from under to over and back to under depending on who is playing since it has too big of an effect on the outcome of the score.
     
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    In other words, we are not chasing a particular side, we are chasing a series of totals where we hope to not lose 3 in a row once a teams goes to OT. Hope this helps to clarify .
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    In other words, we are not chasing a particular side, we are chasing a series of totals where we hope to not lose 3 in a row once a teams goes to OT. Hope this helps to clarify .
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by elithepunk:

    In other words, we are not chasing a particular side, we are chasing a series of totals where we hope to not lose 3 in a row once a teams goes to OT. Hope this helps to clarify .

    .

    I gotcha, I was under the impression that we were simply chasing the under for a particular team following their OT game and if that team happened to be an "over team" or happened to play an "over team" in the first game of their chase then the chase was for the over.

    I guess in reality what we're doing is chasing the under for a particular team following their OT game unless that team happens to be an "over team" or unless an under team plays an "over team" at some point on the chase, in which case we would play over, but we wouldn't chase that over, we would revert back to the under in their chase if they played a normal team the next game (i.e. NAS played DAL in game 1 of NAS chase, we took over bec DAL is an over team, in game 2 of NAS chase they played PHO who is not an over team, so we reverted back to the under in that chase).

    Correct?

    I had mentioned this scenario in an earlier post and thought based on responses that the chase would have stayed over, but I was wrong. I apologize if anyone played the over in the NAS/PHO game last night based on my post and lost. There will be many more winners to come!

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    In other words, we are not chasing a particular side, we are chasing a series of totals where we hope to not lose 3 in a row once a teams goes to OT. Hope this helps to clarify .

    .

    I gotcha, I was under the impression that we were simply chasing the under for a particular team following their OT game and if that team happened to be an "over team" or happened to play an "over team" in the first game of their chase then the chase was for the over.

    I guess in reality what we're doing is chasing the under for a particular team following their OT game unless that team happens to be an "over team" or unless an under team plays an "over team" at some point on the chase, in which case we would play over, but we wouldn't chase that over, we would revert back to the under in their chase if they played a normal team the next game (i.e. NAS played DAL in game 1 of NAS chase, we took over bec DAL is an over team, in game 2 of NAS chase they played PHO who is not an over team, so we reverted back to the under in that chase).

    Correct?

    I had mentioned this scenario in an earlier post and thought based on responses that the chase would have stayed over, but I was wrong. I apologize if anyone played the over in the NAS/PHO game last night based on my post and lost. There will be many more winners to come!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by expertcapper:

    Overall record 36-2
    December 19
    Ottawa
    New Jersey  5   Play over if 5 but it has nothing to do with the NHL spoiler

    NY Islanders
    Minnesota  O 5.5

    LA
    Buffalo   U 5.5

    Chicago
    Calgary  O 5.5

    Top play

    Chicago
    Calgary   O 5.5

    Good luck as always

    I agree with these plays Expert

    I just have two questions:

    1) Devils are on an under chase, we always play over when line is 5 has nothing to do with chase, do we resume devils chase in their next game as if this one didnt exist?

    2) Isles (over team) playing Minn (under team), each in their first game of chase. We play over bec Isles are over team, now say it goes under and we lose, in Isles next game we chase over because their an over team, but in Minn next game is your theory that if they play a "non-over team", we would play under in Minn game on their chase?

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    Quote Originally Posted by expertcapper:

    Overall record 36-2
    December 19
    Ottawa
    New Jersey  5   Play over if 5 but it has nothing to do with the NHL spoiler

    NY Islanders
    Minnesota  O 5.5

    LA
    Buffalo   U 5.5

    Chicago
    Calgary  O 5.5

    Top play

    Chicago
    Calgary   O 5.5

    Good luck as always

    I agree with these plays Expert

    I just have two questions:

    1) Devils are on an under chase, we always play over when line is 5 has nothing to do with chase, do we resume devils chase in their next game as if this one didnt exist?

    2) Isles (over team) playing Minn (under team), each in their first game of chase. We play over bec Isles are over team, now say it goes under and we lose, in Isles next game we chase over because their an over team, but in Minn next game is your theory that if they play a "non-over team", we would play under in Minn game on their chase?

     
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    Best of luck to everyone tonight - I love that the picks are in nice and early!
     
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    I just have two questions:

    1) Devils are on an under chase, we always play over when line is 5 has nothing to do with chase, do we resume devils chase in their next game as if this one didnt exist? yes i believe the next devils game is Sunday, December 21 against Philadelphia, which means it would be a play as over ( Philadelphia Flyers) so if that game goes under we still chase New Jersey for the next game even if it went into overtime we just overide NJ going onto the next round hope this explains

    2) Isles (over team) playing Minn (under team), each in their first game of chase. We play over bec Isles are over team, now say it goes under and we lose, in Isles next game we chase over because their an over team, but in Minn next game is your theory that if they play a "non-over team", we would play under in Minn game on their chase? the only way Minnesota would be chased as if they went to over time which they have not yet. But beings they are playing NY Islanders they fit the over category. Even if it goes under we still chase NY Islanders for the next game which will be over ( over always takes presedence) there is your 2 answers hope this clarifies your questions

    Cheers!!!!!!!!!!

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    I just have two questions:

    1) Devils are on an under chase, we always play over when line is 5 has nothing to do with chase, do we resume devils chase in their next game as if this one didnt exist? yes i believe the next devils game is Sunday, December 21 against Philadelphia, which means it would be a play as over ( Philadelphia Flyers) so if that game goes under we still chase New Jersey for the next game even if it went into overtime we just overide NJ going onto the next round hope this explains

    2) Isles (over team) playing Minn (under team), each in their first game of chase. We play over bec Isles are over team, now say it goes under and we lose, in Isles next game we chase over because their an over team, but in Minn next game is your theory that if they play a "non-over team", we would play under in Minn game on their chase? the only way Minnesota would be chased as if they went to over time which they have not yet. But beings they are playing NY Islanders they fit the over category. Even if it goes under we still chase NY Islanders for the next game which will be over ( over always takes presedence) there is your 2 answers hope this clarifies your questions

    Cheers!!!!!!!!!!

     
     
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    Sorry I messed that up:

    I just have two questions:      Here are your answers

    1) Devils are on an under chase, we always play over when line is 5 has nothing to do with chase, do we resume devils chase in their next game as if this one didnt exist? yes i believe the next devils game is Sunday, December 21 against Philadelphia, which means it would be a play as over ( Philadelphia Flyers) so if that game goes under we still chase New Jersey for the next game even if it went into overtime we just overide NJ going onto the next round hope this explains

    2) Isles (over team) playing Minn (under team), each in their first game of chase. We play over bec Isles are over team, now say it goes under and we lose, in Isles next game we chase over because their an over team, but in Minn next game is your theory that if they play a "non-over team", we would play under in Minn game on their chase? the only way Minnesota would be chased as if they went to over time which they have not yet. But beings they are playing NY Islanders they fit the over category. Even if it goes under we still chase NY Islanders for the next game which will be over ( over always takes presedence) there is your 2 answers hope this clarifies your questions

    Cheers!!!!!!!!!!
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    Sorry I messed that up:

    I just have two questions:      Here are your answers

    1) Devils are on an under chase, we always play over when line is 5 has nothing to do with chase, do we resume devils chase in their next game as if this one didnt exist? yes i believe the next devils game is Sunday, December 21 against Philadelphia, which means it would be a play as over ( Philadelphia Flyers) so if that game goes under we still chase New Jersey for the next game even if it went into overtime we just overide NJ going onto the next round hope this explains

    2) Isles (over team) playing Minn (under team), each in their first game of chase. We play over bec Isles are over team, now say it goes under and we lose, in Isles next game we chase over because their an over team, but in Minn next game is your theory that if they play a "non-over team", we would play under in Minn game on their chase? the only way Minnesota would be chased as if they went to over time which they have not yet. But beings they are playing NY Islanders they fit the over category. Even if it goes under we still chase NY Islanders for the next game which will be over ( over always takes presedence) there is your 2 answers hope this clarifies your questions

    Cheers!!!!!!!!!!
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