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    nfl_huskers
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    Posted: May. 2, 2017 - 12:46 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by alansanchnorcal:

    Is it possible if you can runs first 5 inning and see the result
    Compare to whole game.  Thanks

    I'll try to run those numbers later tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alansanchnorcal:

    Is it possible if you can runs first 5 inning and see the result
    Compare to whole game.  Thanks

    I'll try to run those numbers later tonight.
     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2017 - 1:05 PM ET #27

    I'm not going to be at a computer until games start up tonight. Here are the plays for tonight as it stands right now. Using 5Dimes odds. Also showing SDQL odds.

    Filtered System

    MIL @ STL: 7.5u -105 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)

    COL @ SD: 7.5u -115 (5Dimes), -125 (SDQL)

    CLE @ DET: 8.0u -115 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)


    Unfiltered Original System

    Same as above, but add ...

    TB @ MIA: 8.0u, -105 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)


    Good luck! 
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    I'm not going to be at a computer until games start up tonight. Here are the plays for tonight as it stands right now. Using 5Dimes odds. Also showing SDQL odds.

    Filtered System

    MIL @ STL: 7.5u -105 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)

    COL @ SD: 7.5u -115 (5Dimes), -125 (SDQL)

    CLE @ DET: 8.0u -115 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)


    Unfiltered Original System

    Same as above, but add ...

    TB @ MIA: 8.0u, -105 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)


    Good luck! 
     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2017 - 3:30 PM ET #28

    Go to
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    Posted: May. 2, 2017 - 6:48 PM ET #29

    So are we betting the unfilters also?
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    Posted: May. 2, 2017 - 11:25 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by alansanchnorcal:

    So are we betting the unfilters also?


    I'll be playing both sets, so whatever fits your style. The filtered is very low on the number of plays, and the unfiltered provides more opportunities. Plus, the unfiltered is on fire right now, so I'm curious where it's heading this season.

    I hadn't planned to track the unfiltered because normally it averages about 250 plays per season (since 2011) with +17 units average profit. The filtered has averaged +10 units per season on only 70 plays per season.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alansanchnorcal:

    So are we betting the unfilters also?


    I'll be playing both sets, so whatever fits your style. The filtered is very low on the number of plays, and the unfiltered provides more opportunities. Plus, the unfiltered is on fire right now, so I'm curious where it's heading this season.

    I hadn't planned to track the unfiltered because normally it averages about 250 plays per season (since 2011) with +17 units average profit. The filtered has averaged +10 units per season on only 70 plays per season.

    Good luck!
     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2017 - 11:34 PM ET #31

    Only 10 -17 units profit per year???????? Am i reading it wrong????
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    Only 10 -17 units profit per year???????? Am i reading it wrong????
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 12:05 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by alansanchnorcal:

    Only 10 -17 units profit per year???????? Am i reading it wrong????



    Check out post #6 for the filtered results. It's a low-play system with 13% ROI over 10 seasons using flat betting. I have a few systems like this. Play them in tandem, and you get a nice return with lower risk to the bankroll.

    The unfiltered system has more plays but only a 5% ROI. Use a labby line on it, and it generates significantly better than +17 units per season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alansanchnorcal:

    Only 10 -17 units profit per year???????? Am i reading it wrong????



    Check out post #6 for the filtered results. It's a low-play system with 13% ROI over 10 seasons using flat betting. I have a few systems like this. Play them in tandem, and you get a nice return with lower risk to the bankroll.

    The unfiltered system has more plays but only a 5% ROI. Use a labby line on it, and it generates significantly better than +17 units per season.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 1:42 AM ET #33

    What site do you use to backtrack all this?    Thanks
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 1:54 AM ET #34

    Thanks for the 3-1 tonight Huskers!
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    Thanks for the 3-1 tonight Huskers!
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 3:56 AM ET #35

    2-1   good work , thx !!!
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    2-1   good work , thx !!!
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 1:20 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by laitay77:

    2-1   good work , thx !!!

    Thanks! Thought we had the sweep, but still great night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laitay77:

    2-1   good work , thx !!!

    Thanks! Thought we had the sweep, but still great night.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 1:20 PM ET #37

    Not sure where SDQL pulls their starting pitchers from but they currently are showing Quintana for ChiSox when it is Pelfrey. Quintana pitched last night. I only mention it because they show as a play today.

    Keep up the good work!


     

    Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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    Not sure where SDQL pulls their starting pitchers from but they currently are showing Quintana for ChiSox when it is Pelfrey. Quintana pitched last night. I only mention it because they show as a play today.

    Keep up the good work!


     

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 1:21 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish7878:

    Thanks for the 3-1 tonight Huskers!

    Glad it continues to hit! Unreal 26-9 start.
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    Thanks for the 3-1 tonight Huskers!

    Glad it continues to hit! Unreal 26-9 start.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 1:23 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Not sure where SDQL pulls their starting pitchers from but they currently are showing Quintana for ChiSox when it is Pelfrey. Quintana pitched last night. I only mention it because they show as a play today.

    Keep up the good work!


     


    Yeah, thanks for the heads-up. Just noticed that. Still a possible play on the unfiltered system, but shouldn't be on the filtered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Not sure where SDQL pulls their starting pitchers from but they currently are showing Quintana for ChiSox when it is Pelfrey. Quintana pitched last night. I only mention it because they show as a play today.

    Keep up the good work!


     


    Yeah, thanks for the heads-up. Just noticed that. Still a possible play on the unfiltered system, but shouldn't be on the filtered.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 1:25 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by alansanchnorcal:

    What site do you use to backtrack all this?    Thanks

    Not sure if links are allowed, so search for SDQL and sports database.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alansanchnorcal:

    What site do you use to backtrack all this?    Thanks

    Not sure if links are allowed, so search for SDQL and sports database.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 1:27 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by alansanchnorcal:

    What site do you use to backtrack all this?    Thanks

    Not sure if links are allowed, so search for SDQL and sports database.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alansanchnorcal:

    What site do you use to backtrack all this?    Thanks

    Not sure if links are allowed, so search for SDQL and sports database.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 1:42 PM ET #42

    Possible plays. Still watching.

    Filtered:

    PHI/CHC under 7.0
    Can't move to 7.5 or Eickhoff's ERA (3.56) is too low.
    Looks like it will hold 7.0 though.

    Unfiltered: 

    PHI/CHC and the following ...

    LAA/SEA under 8.0
    Looks like it's leaning 8.5 though

    CWS/KC under 8.0
    SDQL has wrong pitcher info, so showing in filtered system, but it's not. Solid for unfiltered though.


    Official plays closer to game time.
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    Possible plays. Still watching.

    Filtered:

    PHI/CHC under 7.0
    Can't move to 7.5 or Eickhoff's ERA (3.56) is too low.
    Looks like it will hold 7.0 though.

    Unfiltered: 

    PHI/CHC and the following ...

    LAA/SEA under 8.0
    Looks like it's leaning 8.5 though

    CWS/KC under 8.0
    SDQL has wrong pitcher info, so showing in filtered system, but it's not. Solid for unfiltered though.


    Official plays closer to game time.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 5:01 PM ET #43

    Playing PHI/CHC 6.5U +112 (5Dimes) for both systems.

    Playing CWS/KC 7.5U -102 (5Dimes) on unfiltered system only.

    Still waiting on LAA/SEA.
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    Playing PHI/CHC 6.5U +112 (5Dimes) for both systems.

    Playing CWS/KC 7.5U -102 (5Dimes) on unfiltered system only.

    Still waiting on LAA/SEA.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 8:06 PM ET #44

    Trying to get a better idea about how to handle O/U line fluctuations with these systems. For example, do you want 6.5U or 7.0U when the line is moving between an UNDER at 6.5 with positive odds and an UNDER at 7.0 with negative odds.

    So, I checked ROI since 2007 for each total based on whether the odds were Favorite or Dog.

    Using today's PHI/CHC game as an example. The line was fluctuating from 7 (-120) to 6.5 (+112). For the unfiltered system, the play with the better ROI is the 7 (-120) with 9.7% ROI compared to the play with 6.5 (+112) with 2.4% ROI. For the filtered system, the play with the better ROI is the 6.5 (+112) with 38.8% ROI compared to the play with 7 (-120) with 10.4% ROI.

    The current 6.5 (+112) odds for PHI/CHC looks great for the Filtered System.

    The CWS/KC game looks to be settling in at 7.5 (+102) which is some concern. We'll see.

    Half the books have the LAA/SEA game at 8.5. Others have it at 8.0 (+102). It either won't meet the Total parameter of the systems or it will land on a line with negative historical ROI. Still waiting.

    Anyway, just something to consider when waiting for the best line. Again, these ROI's are based on closing lines from SDQL.



    Unfiltered System - ROI since 2007

    Total          Favorite           Dog
     6.5             15.0%            2.4%
     7.0              9.7%           11.4%
     7.5              9.5%           -6.0%
     8.0              7.0%           -5.1%

     All              9.0%            1.0%



    Filtered System - ROI since 2007

    Total          Favorite           Dog
     6.5            -14.9%           38.8%
     7.0             10.4%           16.2%
     7.5             25.2%           -2.7%
     8.0             10.8%          -16.1%

     All             15.3%            4.0%
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    Trying to get a better idea about how to handle O/U line fluctuations with these systems. For example, do you want 6.5U or 7.0U when the line is moving between an UNDER at 6.5 with positive odds and an UNDER at 7.0 with negative odds.

    So, I checked ROI since 2007 for each total based on whether the odds were Favorite or Dog.

    Using today's PHI/CHC game as an example. The line was fluctuating from 7 (-120) to 6.5 (+112). For the unfiltered system, the play with the better ROI is the 7 (-120) with 9.7% ROI compared to the play with 6.5 (+112) with 2.4% ROI. For the filtered system, the play with the better ROI is the 6.5 (+112) with 38.8% ROI compared to the play with 7 (-120) with 10.4% ROI.

    The current 6.5 (+112) odds for PHI/CHC looks great for the Filtered System.

    The CWS/KC game looks to be settling in at 7.5 (+102) which is some concern. We'll see.

    Half the books have the LAA/SEA game at 8.5. Others have it at 8.0 (+102). It either won't meet the Total parameter of the systems or it will land on a line with negative historical ROI. Still waiting.

    Anyway, just something to consider when waiting for the best line. Again, these ROI's are based on closing lines from SDQL.



    Unfiltered System - ROI since 2007

    Total          Favorite           Dog
     6.5             15.0%            2.4%
     7.0              9.7%           11.4%
     7.5              9.5%           -6.0%
     8.0              7.0%           -5.1%

     All              9.0%            1.0%



    Filtered System - ROI since 2007

    Total          Favorite           Dog
     6.5            -14.9%           38.8%
     7.0             10.4%           16.2%
     7.5             25.2%           -2.7%
     8.0             10.8%          -16.1%

     All             15.3%            4.0%
     
    nfl_huskers
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 8:27 PM ET #45

    I need to get caught up on my tracking. Too busy.

    Monday, May 1st

    Unfiltered System (5% ROI)
    TB @ MIA:  8.0U -115 (5Dimes)          WIN (+1.0u)


    Tuesday, May 2nd

    Filtered System (13%ROI)
    MIL @ STL: 7.5U -105 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)          WIN (+1.0u)

    COL @ SD: 7.5U -115 (5Dimes), -125 (SDQL)          LOSS (-1.25u)

    CLE @ DET: 8.0U -115 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)          WIN (+1.0u)


    Unfiltered System (5% ROI)
    Same as above, but add ...

    TB @ MIA: 8.0U -105 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)          WIN (+1.0u)




    YTD

    Unfiltered System (5% ROI)

    April SDQL Record:  22-8-0 (SDQL Profit = +13.05 units)

    May Actual Plays:    4-1-0  (+2.75u)




    Filtered System (13% ROI)

    May Actual Plays:  2-1-0  (+0.75u)

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    I need to get caught up on my tracking. Too busy.

    Monday, May 1st

    Unfiltered System (5% ROI)
    TB @ MIA:  8.0U -115 (5Dimes)          WIN (+1.0u)


    Tuesday, May 2nd

    Filtered System (13%ROI)
    MIL @ STL: 7.5U -105 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)          WIN (+1.0u)

    COL @ SD: 7.5U -115 (5Dimes), -125 (SDQL)          LOSS (-1.25u)

    CLE @ DET: 8.0U -115 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)          WIN (+1.0u)


    Unfiltered System (5% ROI)
    Same as above, but add ...

    TB @ MIA: 8.0U -105 (5Dimes), -110 (SDQL)          WIN (+1.0u)




    YTD

    Unfiltered System (5% ROI)

    April SDQL Record:  22-8-0 (SDQL Profit = +13.05 units)

    May Actual Plays:    4-1-0  (+2.75u)




    Filtered System (13% ROI)

    May Actual Plays:  2-1-0  (+0.75u)

     
    nfl_huskers
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 9:23 PM ET #46

    Looks like the books are settling on LAA/SEA 8.0U +105. Because it meets the parameters of the unfiltered system, going to play it.
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    Looks like the books are settling on LAA/SEA 8.0U +105. Because it meets the parameters of the unfiltered system, going to play it.
     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2017 - 4:36 AM ET #47

    Interesting I've wanted to mathematically figure out what each half a run is worth in MLB. Obviously with 7 and 9 being the key totals in MLB it would be worth much more going from 6.5 to 7 or 7 to 7.5 than 7.5 to 8, etc. 
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    Interesting I've wanted to mathematically figure out what each half a run is worth in MLB. Obviously with 7 and 9 being the key totals in MLB it would be worth much more going from 6.5 to 7 or 7 to 7.5 than 7.5 to 8, etc. 
     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2017 - 4:24 PM ET #48

    Guessing no plays today. I didn't come up with anything on the search.
    Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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    Posted: May. 4, 2017 - 5:12 PM ET #49

    Yep, no plays today.
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 12:01 AM ET #50

    Results from 5/3/2017

    PHI/CHC 6.5U +112          LOSS (-1.0u) both

    CWS/KC 7.5U -102          WIN (+1.0u) unfiltered

    LAA/SEA 8.0U +105          LOSS (-1.0u) unfiltered





    Unfiltered System (5% ROI)
    April SDQL Record:  22-8-0 (SDQL Profit = +13.05 units)
    May Actual Plays:    5-3-0  (+1.75u)


    Filtered System (13% ROI)

    May Actual Plays:  2-2-0  (-0.25u)
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    Results from 5/3/2017

    PHI/CHC 6.5U +112          LOSS (-1.0u) both

    CWS/KC 7.5U -102          WIN (+1.0u) unfiltered

    LAA/SEA 8.0U +105          LOSS (-1.0u) unfiltered





    Unfiltered System (5% ROI)
    April SDQL Record:  22-8-0 (SDQL Profit = +13.05 units)
    May Actual Plays:    5-3-0  (+1.75u)


    Filtered System (13% ROI)

    May Actual Plays:  2-2-0  (-0.25u)
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