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    grecycle99
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2011 - 1:46 PM ET #1276

    Thanks Kreatture,

    Will wait for your criss-cross blitz system in may.

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    Thanks Kreatture,

    Will wait for your criss-cross blitz system in may.

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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2011 - 2:06 PM ET #1277

    I think this thread will be Chapter 3 of my autobiography.. thanks for all the comments guys, love it and appreciate them!

    I'll carry on the discussion tomorrow, I gotta head out to an event for the rest of the day/evening/night.

    For MLB today I played 5* Min/Tor Under 8.5, 4* LA Angels ML, 2* Detroit Tigers ML, 2* SF/LAD Under 7, 5* Mil/Cin Under 8.5

    Good Luck tonight everyone 

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    I think this thread will be Chapter 3 of my autobiography.. thanks for all the comments guys, love it and appreciate them!

    I'll carry on the discussion tomorrow, I gotta head out to an event for the rest of the day/evening/night.

    For MLB today I played 5* Min/Tor Under 8.5, 4* LA Angels ML, 2* Detroit Tigers ML, 2* SF/LAD Under 7, 5* Mil/Cin Under 8.5

    Good Luck tonight everyone 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2011 - 4:38 PM ET #1278

    hmmm sounds interesting , didnt know you were "connected" to what billy walters and all these sharps are doing , but i hope you have success in your endeavors but lately i see how your mood effects your wagering and thats never good ....gl 
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    hmmm sounds interesting , didnt know you were "connected" to what billy walters and all these sharps are doing , but i hope you have success in your endeavors but lately i see how your mood effects your wagering and thats never good ....gl 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2011 - 7:38 PM ET #1279

    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    Kreatture,

    I felt we have always had fairly respectful encounters on here and would hope that continues....

    Your previous post was extremely condescending to a lot of the members of the board including myself.  You have actually shown us chase systems and money management that can be successful over the last few years, yet then say those that chase can "go fuck yourself"????  Furthermore, you insult the efforts of those trying to find an angle by saying no one is intelligent enough to run a successful chase system and insult the use of labby lines as a money management tool.  I have to disagree on both accounts.  The labouchere method can be used very effectively in chasing not only to minimize bankroll exposure but also as a recovery tool.  The danger in all chase systems is betting beyond the limits of your bankroll.

    I hate laying heavy juice on plays also.  If I would not have won money with my system last year I would not be doing it again.  The truth is last year laying the juice helped me clear lines more quickly and make more profit.  I don't know if it will hold true this year or not.  My NBA system in theory did horribly this year with many 4 quarter losses by teams but staying the course and using my labby lines in am hitting around 50% at all level of the plays, lines are crossed off and profit is gained over the long run.  I think that is all we can ask for.There are different ways to make money at this and alot of ways to blow up your bankroll. 

    Above all else, is money management.  I wish you luck in your quest to be able to do this full-time because we all know that is extremely rare and difficult.  I just hope you don't burn too many bridges getting there.  You never know when someone may come up with a system, approach or way of thinking that may benefit you down the road.  



    I completely agree with Rizz's comments (even though he still insists on putting unit amounts on his labby lines when they should be dollar amounts!).  Your thoughts on chasing are without warrant and completely off base.  Chasing definitely CAN work...but it takes bigger balls than 98% of the people have to stick it out.  Also, it takes a little more number theory to understand HOW to make chasing work for you and most people do not consider this when they start chasing.  I just spent an hour writing a post that shows how chasing does work, but I think this discussion deserves it's own thread so I started a new one.  You will find it here:

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=101023254

    Please guys...let's move this "to chase or not to chase" topic to the other thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    Kreatture,

    I felt we have always had fairly respectful encounters on here and would hope that continues....

    Your previous post was extremely condescending to a lot of the members of the board including myself.  You have actually shown us chase systems and money management that can be successful over the last few years, yet then say those that chase can "go fuck yourself"????  Furthermore, you insult the efforts of those trying to find an angle by saying no one is intelligent enough to run a successful chase system and insult the use of labby lines as a money management tool.  I have to disagree on both accounts.  The labouchere method can be used very effectively in chasing not only to minimize bankroll exposure but also as a recovery tool.  The danger in all chase systems is betting beyond the limits of your bankroll.

    I hate laying heavy juice on plays also.  If I would not have won money with my system last year I would not be doing it again.  The truth is last year laying the juice helped me clear lines more quickly and make more profit.  I don't know if it will hold true this year or not.  My NBA system in theory did horribly this year with many 4 quarter losses by teams but staying the course and using my labby lines in am hitting around 50% at all level of the plays, lines are crossed off and profit is gained over the long run.  I think that is all we can ask for.There are different ways to make money at this and alot of ways to blow up your bankroll. 

    Above all else, is money management.  I wish you luck in your quest to be able to do this full-time because we all know that is extremely rare and difficult.  I just hope you don't burn too many bridges getting there.  You never know when someone may come up with a system, approach or way of thinking that may benefit you down the road.  



    I completely agree with Rizz's comments (even though he still insists on putting unit amounts on his labby lines when they should be dollar amounts!).  Your thoughts on chasing are without warrant and completely off base.  Chasing definitely CAN work...but it takes bigger balls than 98% of the people have to stick it out.  Also, it takes a little more number theory to understand HOW to make chasing work for you and most people do not consider this when they start chasing.  I just spent an hour writing a post that shows how chasing does work, but I think this discussion deserves it's own thread so I started a new one.  You will find it here:

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=101023254

    Please guys...let's move this "to chase or not to chase" topic to the other thread.

    Leprechaun
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2011 - 8:33 PM ET #1280

    VCU/Butler - Butler to the Bank. Under to the Bank. Vegas has really screwed up this line. And no, I'm not still hating on VCU.. I've gone back and re-watched all their Tourney games and they have performed great. They controlled Kansas the entire way and really deserved that win. Both these teams have over-performed tho, but only one will be exposed this weekend.

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    Not an official play, but a nice call nevertheless.  Under managed to get tight at the end, closer than it should have been, but still pulled through.  Butler is really an amazing story; I don't see what will stop them Monday night.
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    VCU/Butler - Butler to the Bank. Under to the Bank. Vegas has really screwed up this line. And no, I'm not still hating on VCU.. I've gone back and re-watched all their Tourney games and they have performed great. They controlled Kansas the entire way and really deserved that win. Both these teams have over-performed tho, but only one will be exposed this weekend.

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    Not an official play, but a nice call nevertheless.  Under managed to get tight at the end, closer than it should have been, but still pulled through.  Butler is really an amazing story; I don't see what will stop them Monday night.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2011 - 6:32 AM ET #1281

    The quote I had highlighted didn't post for some reason.  Here it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by kreatture:

    VCU/Butler - Butler to the Bank. Under to the Bank. Vegas has really screwed up this line. And no, I'm not still hating on VCU.. I've gone back and re-watched all their Tourney games and they have performed great. They controlled Kansas the entire way and really deserved that win. Both these teams have over-performed tho, but only one will be exposed this weekend.

     


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    The quote I had highlighted didn't post for some reason.  Here it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by kreatture:

    VCU/Butler - Butler to the Bank. Under to the Bank. Vegas has really screwed up this line. And no, I'm not still hating on VCU.. I've gone back and re-watched all their Tourney games and they have performed great. They controlled Kansas the entire way and really deserved that win. Both these teams have over-performed tho, but only one will be exposed this weekend.

     


     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2011 - 10:30 AM ET #1282

    any mlb today
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    When I said no one was smart enough here to run a Chase System, I meant because Chase Systems should not be used and all the best cappers in the World know this.. Name one Professional who advocates a Chase System?? You can't, because they don't. A couple might use a Labby Line MM System, but it's not used in a Chasing format. They cap the games and make their picks and use the Labby for purely a MM tool..  

    Obviously there are some very intelligent people here in this forum, but anyone who truly understand this Business knows a Chase System should NEVER be used.. even if you don't understand the Business, one of the first basic principles you should learn is NOT to CHASE.. since the majority of people here use Chasing styles and think it's ok, I don't expect many to understand my point.

    Yes, I started off here using Chase Systems.. Yes, I said I would prove I could run a successful Modified Martingale Chase System.. Yes, I WAS successful with them.. NO, that doesn't mean it was right.

    If you guys want Chase Systems.. I'll give you Chase Systems...

     

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    When I said no one was smart enough here to run a Chase System, I meant because Chase Systems should not be used and all the best cappers in the World know this.. Name one Professional who advocates a Chase System?? You can't, because they don't. A couple might use a Labby Line MM System, but it's not used in a Chasing format. They cap the games and make their picks and use the Labby for purely a MM tool..  

    Obviously there are some very intelligent people here in this forum, but anyone who truly understand this Business knows a Chase System should NEVER be used.. even if you don't understand the Business, one of the first basic principles you should learn is NOT to CHASE.. since the majority of people here use Chasing styles and think it's ok, I don't expect many to understand my point.

    Yes, I started off here using Chase Systems.. Yes, I said I would prove I could run a successful Modified Martingale Chase System.. Yes, I WAS successful with them.. NO, that doesn't mean it was right.

    If you guys want Chase Systems.. I'll give you Chase Systems...

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2011 - 1:26 PM ET #1284

    Quote Originally Posted by angelobruno:

    hmmm sounds interesting , didnt know you were "connected" to what billy walters and all these sharps are doing , but i hope you have success in your endeavors but lately i see how your mood effects your wagering and thats never good ....gl 

    I've only been able to gain access to a few of his plays over the past few weeks. This info is obviously not publicly shared knowledge.. and I'm certainly not hearing info on him on a daily basis. Never said I was "connected" so please don't put words in my mouth. The biggest play I found out he was on last month was UConn over San Diego State, which he took a huge position on.. where most of the Sharps were already on SD State (as was I). Found out right at tip-off and immediately knew I wasn't winning that one, HaHa.

    **Not directed at anyone in particular** -- It's funny you guys think you know me based on what I type some days.. if any of you had the pleasure of meeting me for real you'd see that I was a pretty low-key individual who just stands up for what I believe in.

     

    Always appreciate your comments angelo, good to see you're still around. Wish you all the best 

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelobruno:

    hmmm sounds interesting , didnt know you were "connected" to what billy walters and all these sharps are doing , but i hope you have success in your endeavors but lately i see how your mood effects your wagering and thats never good ....gl 

    I've only been able to gain access to a few of his plays over the past few weeks. This info is obviously not publicly shared knowledge.. and I'm certainly not hearing info on him on a daily basis. Never said I was "connected" so please don't put words in my mouth. The biggest play I found out he was on last month was UConn over San Diego State, which he took a huge position on.. where most of the Sharps were already on SD State (as was I). Found out right at tip-off and immediately knew I wasn't winning that one, HaHa.

    **Not directed at anyone in particular** -- It's funny you guys think you know me based on what I type some days.. if any of you had the pleasure of meeting me for real you'd see that I was a pretty low-key individual who just stands up for what I believe in.

     

    Always appreciate your comments angelo, good to see you're still around. Wish you all the best 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2011 - 1:33 PM ET #1285

    Quote Originally Posted by mickjam:


    Not an official play, but a nice call nevertheless.  Under managed to get tight at the end, closer than it should have been, but still pulled through.  Butler is really an amazing story; I don't see what will stop them Monday night.

    Thanks mick, did you play it? It was a huge win as well as the side for that game. The bankroll is sitting pretty healthy now heading into the Title game tonight.

    Cheers 

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickjam:


    Not an official play, but a nice call nevertheless.  Under managed to get tight at the end, closer than it should have been, but still pulled through.  Butler is really an amazing story; I don't see what will stop them Monday night.

    Thanks mick, did you play it? It was a huge win as well as the side for that game. The bankroll is sitting pretty healthy now heading into the Title game tonight.

    Cheers 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2011 - 1:35 PM ET #1286

    Quote Originally Posted by hoopsvader:

    any mlb today

    Lean to Atlanta/Milwaukee Over 8.5, Atlanta ML, Arizona/Cubs Over 9, Baltimore ML, & Texas ML

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopsvader:

    any mlb today

    Lean to Atlanta/Milwaukee Over 8.5, Atlanta ML, Arizona/Cubs Over 9, Baltimore ML, & Texas ML

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2011 - 7:44 PM ET #1287

    OVER 131.5 BUTLER/UCONN
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2011 - 7:45 PM ET #1288

    CONFIRMED.
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2011 - 8:26 PM ET #1289

    Quote Originally Posted by kreatture:

    I've only been able to gain access to a few of his plays over the past few weeks. This info is obviously not publicly shared knowledge.. and I'm certainly not hearing info on him on a daily basis. Never said I was "connected" so please don't put words in my mouth. The biggest play I found out he was on last month was UConn over San Diego State, which he took a huge position on.. where most of the Sharps were already on SD State (as was I). Found out right at tip-off and immediately knew I wasn't winning that one, HaHa.

    **Not directed at anyone in particular** -- It's funny you guys think you know me based on what I type some days.. if any of you had the pleasure of meeting me for real you'd see that I was a pretty low-key individual who just stands up for what I believe in.

     

    Always appreciate your comments angelo, good to see you're still around. Wish you all the best 

     

    good to hear back from you bro,

    i really enjoy reading your stuff and love the way you had that baseball thing all set up last yr on your spreadsheets , you are a very smart and educated person and i wish you continued success and i will always read your threads and your investment ways and am looking foward to see what you come up with once the first month of bases is over  ty

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    I've only been able to gain access to a few of his plays over the past few weeks. This info is obviously not publicly shared knowledge.. and I'm certainly not hearing info on him on a daily basis. Never said I was "connected" so please don't put words in my mouth. The biggest play I found out he was on last month was UConn over San Diego State, which he took a huge position on.. where most of the Sharps were already on SD State (as was I). Found out right at tip-off and immediately knew I wasn't winning that one, HaHa.

    **Not directed at anyone in particular** -- It's funny you guys think you know me based on what I type some days.. if any of you had the pleasure of meeting me for real you'd see that I was a pretty low-key individual who just stands up for what I believe in.

     

    Always appreciate your comments angelo, good to see you're still around. Wish you all the best 

     

    good to hear back from you bro,

    i really enjoy reading your stuff and love the way you had that baseball thing all set up last yr on your spreadsheets , you are a very smart and educated person and i wish you continued success and i will always read your threads and your investment ways and am looking foward to see what you come up with once the first month of bases is over  ty

     
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    Billy Walters is the one who moved that Total 3 points to the Over. It's lost most of the Value at 132.5, but I'm taking the chance at 131.5 .. It was still 129.5 when he buried it.

    Teasing it with Butler looks pretty good. Still can't confirm a Side, but as of right now 20 minutes before tip, Wiseguys are holding with Butler. Waiting for a Buy-Back, but will it come??

    Big on the OVER, smaller on BUTLER unless we see a buy-back in the next 10 minutes..


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    Billy Walters is the one who moved that Total 3 points to the Over. It's lost most of the Value at 132.5, but I'm taking the chance at 131.5 .. It was still 129.5 when he buried it.

    Teasing it with Butler looks pretty good. Still can't confirm a Side, but as of right now 20 minutes before tip, Wiseguys are holding with Butler. Waiting for a Buy-Back, but will it come??

    Big on the OVER, smaller on BUTLER unless we see a buy-back in the next 10 minutes..


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kreatture:

    Thanks mick, did you play it? It was a huge win as well as the side for that game. The bankroll is sitting pretty healthy now heading into the Title game tonight.


    I did play the under.  It was much tighter than it should have been.  Much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kreatture:

    Thanks mick, did you play it? It was a huge win as well as the side for that game. The bankroll is sitting pretty healthy now heading into the Title game tonight.


    I did play the under.  It was much tighter than it should have been.  Much appreciated.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2011 - 9:08 PM ET #1292

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    Do you see any in game potential for the big game tonight?
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    Do you see any in game potential for the big game tonight?
     
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    2nd Half Over if the 1st Half is Under.. otherwise I won't be looking for an In-Game play.. have my big play of OVER locked in, gonna enjoy the game with the crew here.

    There's no Buy-Back, Sharps sticking with Butler +4 .. The side is tough, should be a great game.. very small play on BUTLER +3, but HUGE on OVER 131.5 ..

    Good Luck enjoy the game, it should be great!
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    2nd Half Over if the 1st Half is Under.. otherwise I won't be looking for an In-Game play.. have my big play of OVER locked in, gonna enjoy the game with the crew here.

    There's no Buy-Back, Sharps sticking with Butler +4 .. The side is tough, should be a great game.. very small play on BUTLER +3, but HUGE on OVER 131.5 ..

    Good Luck enjoy the game, it should be great!
     
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    I was originally on UConn, that is why I'm only going very small on Butler.. like I said, all the money is on the Over.

    OK, I'm outta here, enjoy!
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    I was originally on UConn, that is why I'm only going very small on Butler.. like I said, all the money is on the Over.

    OK, I'm outta here, enjoy!
     
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    Good Luck
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    Well, just had to check in here.. not very often this year have lost a bet by halftime, LoL .. Have to just laugh about it since it is so amazingly off. Quadruple Overtime anyone? Everyone is pretty quiet here and pissed about how terrible these teams are playing. Credit being given to defenses, but it's pure bricks these guys are putting up.

    Mega Value on 2nd Half Over 68.5, but after watching that horror show of a 1st Half I don't think I have the balls to bet it. Wow that was UGLY, both these teams stink tonight. Everyone wishes Kansas & Duke was here now huh.

    It's gonna suck if my initial lean of UConn/Under hits, but I'm ok with the play. If I could be on the same side as BW every time I would take it. Will still finish nicely in the green for March Madness and that's all which really matters.

    Time to focus on MLB.. but first enjoy what is hopefully a tremendously better 2nd Half an hope for an exciting finish.

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    Well, just had to check in here.. not very often this year have lost a bet by halftime, LoL .. Have to just laugh about it since it is so amazingly off. Quadruple Overtime anyone? Everyone is pretty quiet here and pissed about how terrible these teams are playing. Credit being given to defenses, but it's pure bricks these guys are putting up.

    Mega Value on 2nd Half Over 68.5, but after watching that horror show of a 1st Half I don't think I have the balls to bet it. Wow that was UGLY, both these teams stink tonight. Everyone wishes Kansas & Duke was here now huh.

    It's gonna suck if my initial lean of UConn/Under hits, but I'm ok with the play. If I could be on the same side as BW every time I would take it. Will still finish nicely in the green for March Madness and that's all which really matters.

    Time to focus on MLB.. but first enjoy what is hopefully a tremendously better 2nd Half an hope for an exciting finish.

    Cheers 
     
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    Kreatture,

    Fuck Billy Walters!  The guy has millions of dollars!  He bets for pleasure and doesn't need the money!  You are going to be sorry you follow him if that is what your are doing and dissapointed because the man has an unlimited bankroll and doesnt care about the key win %!  Anyone would move lines the way he does with the money he's got. 

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    Kreatture,

    Fuck Billy Walters!  The guy has millions of dollars!  He bets for pleasure and doesn't need the money!  You are going to be sorry you follow him if that is what your are doing and dissapointed because the man has an unlimited bankroll and doesnt care about the key win %!  Anyone would move lines the way he does with the money he's got. 

    Mtp104

     
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    Kreatture, how did you do in MLB last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtp104:

    Kreatture,

    Fuck Billy Walters!  The guy has millions of dollars!  He bets for pleasure and doesn't need the money!  You are going to be sorry you follow him if that is what your are doing and dissapointed because the man has an unlimited bankroll and doesnt care about the key win %!  Anyone would move lines the way he does with the money he's got. 

    Mtp104

    Always appreciate the comments..

    ..but seriously?? 

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    Kreatture,

    Fuck Billy Walters!  The guy has millions of dollars!  He bets for pleasure and doesn't need the money!  You are going to be sorry you follow him if that is what your are doing and dissapointed because the man has an unlimited bankroll and doesnt care about the key win %!  Anyone would move lines the way he does with the money he's got. 

    Mtp104

    Always appreciate the comments..

    ..but seriously?? 

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