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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2013 - 2:23 PM ET #126

    gratefulbets thank you for the clarification. I wish I had known earlier. I'll try to remember for next bowl season. I hope you are still around to post! (or send me a pm to explain how you get your values )
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    gratefulbets thank you for the clarification. I wish I had known earlier. I'll try to remember for next bowl season. I hope you are still around to post! (or send me a pm to explain how you get your values )
     
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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2013 - 8:27 PM ET #127

    [Quote: Originally Posted by Luckydan] Congrats on a wonderful bowl season. It's been fun tailing you.

    Ark St or Fla? Which of the two would you place higher value with?

    Thanks.

    Good Luck.

    Fla is a blue play.
    Looking at the other games that have a similar +10 net value A, and +3 net value B:

    UtSt -10  W 
    Frs -12.5  L 
    SJSt -7  W
    ULM -7  L
    Rut +2.5  L
    IaSt pk  L (+7 A)

    It's not so cut and dry. ArSt might be better because it has a higher net value than Fla in the group B (+10, which is now 6-0) and it's in the another system play. 


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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Luckydan] Congrats on a wonderful bowl season. It's been fun tailing you.

    Ark St or Fla? Which of the two would you place higher value with?

    Thanks.

    Good Luck.

    Fla is a blue play.
    Looking at the other games that have a similar +10 net value A, and +3 net value B:

    UtSt -10  W 
    Frs -12.5  L 
    SJSt -7  W
    ULM -7  L
    Rut +2.5  L
    IaSt pk  L (+7 A)

    It's not so cut and dry. ArSt might be better because it has a higher net value than Fla in the group B (+10, which is now 6-0) and it's in the another system play. 


     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2013 - 4:02 AM ET #128

    NFL:

    Cin +5 (-120)

    Ind +7 (-125)

    Was +3 (-110)


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    NFL:

    Cin +5 (-120)

    Ind +7 (-125)

    Was +3 (-110)


     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2013 - 2:35 PM ET #129

    As of now, the group "B" only net value results are :

    +7, or more: 11-0    (Fresno at -12.5)

    +10, or more: 6-0

    The remaining group "B" only +7, or more, teams are:

    KsSt +7 @ +9 (does not qualify at +8.5, buy off the hook)
    Pitts +10 @ +3
    ArSt +10 @ -3.5

    I'm not suggesting that these plays are the same as the A and B combo plays, but in the short run the B group alone has done very well. 
    GL

    BTW, group B only in category +3 to +6.5 only is standing at 6-3. TxAM falls into that category: -3 (current line)  +8 = +5.
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    As of now, the group "B" only net value results are :

    +7, or more: 11-0    (Fresno at -12.5)

    +10, or more: 6-0

    The remaining group "B" only +7, or more, teams are:

    KsSt +7 @ +9 (does not qualify at +8.5, buy off the hook)
    Pitts +10 @ +3
    ArSt +10 @ -3.5

    I'm not suggesting that these plays are the same as the A and B combo plays, but in the short run the B group alone has done very well. 
    GL

    BTW, group B only in category +3 to +6.5 only is standing at 6-3. TxAM falls into that category: -3 (current line)  +8 = +5.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2013 - 10:48 AM ET #130

    UPDATE from handicapping central. I was up until 3am testing a new football system. I have an 8am meeting in 30 min. so I'll be brief, and then get back later after more testing. If you're following my NFL plays from above, DO NOT place a bet on Redskins, put it on Seattle.
    Here's why. I ran a new system on the current bowl season last night. The results were staggering: 24-3-1. I then backtested it on last year's bowl games: 22-7-1 
    I wanted to see how it might do on NFL and I have the year end stats for last year so I ran those on the first week of playoffs: 3-0
    I then ran it on this week's games and it picked Cin, Ind, Sea, and a maybe on GB, but i need to back-test more games to see the results.
    I did pick Or last night, and TxAM, Pit, ArSt, ND. (2 of the 7 losses last year were the final 2 bowl games).
    Later...

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    UPDATE from handicapping central. I was up until 3am testing a new football system. I have an 8am meeting in 30 min. so I'll be brief, and then get back later after more testing. If you're following my NFL plays from above, DO NOT place a bet on Redskins, put it on Seattle.
    Here's why. I ran a new system on the current bowl season last night. The results were staggering: 24-3-1. I then backtested it on last year's bowl games: 22-7-1 
    I wanted to see how it might do on NFL and I have the year end stats for last year so I ran those on the first week of playoffs: 3-0
    I then ran it on this week's games and it picked Cin, Ind, Sea, and a maybe on GB, but i need to back-test more games to see the results.
    I did pick Or last night, and TxAM, Pit, ArSt, ND. (2 of the 7 losses last year were the final 2 bowl games).
    Later...

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2013 - 1:02 PM ET #131

    correction from the post above:

    "I did pick Or last night"...

    I should've written "It picked Or last night"... (it, being the system)
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    correction from the post above:

    "I did pick Or last night"...

    I should've written "It picked Or last night"... (it, being the system)
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2013 - 1:10 PM ET #132

    All about the chase
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2013 - 7:16 PM ET #133

    thanks "grate" for all ur hard work!!!...very much appreciated.
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    thanks "grate" for all ur hard work!!!...very much appreciated.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2013 - 9:21 PM ET #134

    Froggy48...thanks, I always look forward to the bowls. 

    The results from that late night research I mentioned in post #130 was bogus. I was using a site that I assumed had reg. season only stats, but found out later that it also included the recent bowl results. sorry for the confusion.


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    Froggy48...thanks, I always look forward to the bowls. 

    The results from that late night research I mentioned in post #130 was bogus. I was using a site that I assumed had reg. season only stats, but found out later that it also included the recent bowl results. sorry for the confusion.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2013 - 7:03 AM ET #135

    So to clarify:

    NFL

    • Cincy +5
    • Indy +7
    • Seattle -3

    NCAAF

    • Pittiful Pitt\

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    So to clarify:

    NFL

    • Cincy +5
    • Indy +7
    • Seattle -3

    NCAAF

    • Pittiful Pitt\

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2013 - 10:11 AM ET #136

    does that mean those NFL games r not plays and neither is Pitt, ark,. st and ND???thanks
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    does that mean those NFL games r not plays and neither is Pitt, ark,. st and ND???thanks
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2013 - 12:59 PM ET #137

    At this point I'm only relying on the systems that I know have some history. I'm still back testing some of those other ideas, but nothing conclusive, yet. So for now Pitt and ArSt are in that group B which has done very well this year (?). I would not bet a lot on them,  but they are +10 net value.

    I'm going to back test before the Cin/Hou game the other NFL plays.
    For now,  Cin, Ind, and Was are plays.  
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    At this point I'm only relying on the systems that I know have some history. I'm still back testing some of those other ideas, but nothing conclusive, yet. So for now Pitt and ArSt are in that group B which has done very well this year (?). I would not bet a lot on them,  but they are +10 net value.

    I'm going to back test before the Cin/Hou game the other NFL plays.
    For now,  Cin, Ind, and Was are plays.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2013 - 4:36 PM ET #138

    I'm still working on the other NFL system, so I'm sticking with what worked the past 3 weeks, albeit a short sample.

    I'm looking forward to the ArSt play. 

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    I'm still working on the other NFL system, so I'm sticking with what worked the past 3 weeks, albeit a short sample.

    I'm looking forward to the ArSt play. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2013 - 7:33 PM ET #139

    Rough start with Cincy holmes
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    Rough start with Cincy holmes
     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2013 - 3:46 AM ET #140

    I'm going to move off the Colts, but I'm staying with the Reds, knee brace and all. 
    According to my NFL system, Cin was the correct play and I don't regret it, but Colts are not as strong a play vs. Bal as Cin was vs. Hou.  Was is just slightly better than Sea, but as a dog I'll play it. Only issue is RG3's ability to step up.
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    I'm going to move off the Colts, but I'm staying with the Reds, knee brace and all. 
    According to my NFL system, Cin was the correct play and I don't regret it, but Colts are not as strong a play vs. Bal as Cin was vs. Hou.  Was is just slightly better than Sea, but as a dog I'll play it. Only issue is RG3's ability to step up.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2013 - 7:13 PM ET #141

    Quote Originally Posted by gratefulbets:

    NFL:

    Cin +5 (-120)

    Ind +7 (-125)

    Was +3 (-110)


     

    0-3 bruh. Might want to get away from this system....bruh

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    Quote Originally Posted by gratefulbets:

    NFL:

    Cin +5 (-120)

    Ind +7 (-125)

    Was +3 (-110)


     

    0-3 bruh. Might want to get away from this system....bruh

     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2013 - 7:32 PM ET #142

    You might want to read the all of the posts, bruh/homie.


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    You might want to read the all of the posts, bruh/homie.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2013 - 7:42 PM ET #143

    I did CHAMP...0-2 then. Back to the drawing board...holmes
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    I did CHAMP...0-2 then. Back to the drawing board...holmes
     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2013 - 8:13 PM ET #144

    He tried to read all the post but the little man doesn't know what all the letters mean.  Poor little guy. 

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    He tried to read all the post but the little man doesn't know what all the letters mean.  Poor little guy. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2013 - 8:57 PM ET #145

    Quote Originally Posted by JLos:

    I did CHAMP...16-6 then. Back to the drawing board...holmes

     

    Fixed that for you Jennifer Lopez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLos:

    I did CHAMP...16-6 then. Back to the drawing board...holmes

     

    Fixed that for you Jennifer Lopez.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2013 - 10:59 PM ET #146

    Im talkin playoffs...jackass
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    Im talkin playoffs...jackass
     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2013 - 12:20 AM ET #147

    Props to you. That call on Ark St was clutch. Nice 9-0 run on that alternative system that you shared with us.

    Thanks again. Look forward to following you next Bowl season. Great stuff.

    Good Luck.
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    Props to you. That call on Ark St was clutch. Nice 9-0 run on that alternative system that you shared with us.

    Thanks again. Look forward to following you next Bowl season. Great stuff.

    Good Luck.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2013 - 12:34 AM ET #148

    Awe. Poor little guy. If you could read all the words you could see that this is in the college football forum and the header directly states "Bowl System".  Get one of your bruh's or hommies to help you next time. GL
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    Awe. Poor little guy. If you could read all the words you could see that this is in the college football forum and the header directly states "Bowl System".  Get one of your bruh's or hommies to help you next time. GL
     
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    Please don't be so hard on Jlos, he must be broke and not getting laid, I mean, why else would he keep coming in here spending his time with this loser thread? Best thing to do is just ignore him as he's obviously looking for attention, and why he wants it from this thread, I haven't a clue. I guess it's probably better to have him in here acting out than to be out in the public at large committing some heinous act.

    So thanks everyone for a fun bowl season. Hopefully we can do this next season. I hope you all lucked out like I did with that ArSt win...I got it at -3.5 yesterday.

    Here are the values and net values with the lines for each team that I worked up for the playoff games, and, as you can see, this is why I laid off of the Colts.

    Cin +2.3                             +4.4
    Hou +2.4  diff: +0.1 -4.5 = -4.4

    Min +5.8 
    GB +13.8  diff: +8.0 -7.5 = +0.5

    Ind -9.3
    Bal +9.1 diff: +18.4 -7.0 = +11.4

    Sea +1.0
    Was +2.2  diff: +1.2 +3 = +4.2
    ............................................................

    Bal -2.7                             
    Den +10.5  diff: +13.2 -9.5 = +3.7

    GB +6.7                           +2.8
    SF +6.9  diff: +0.2 -3.0 = -2.8

    Sea +4.5 diff: +0.0 +1.0 = +1.2
    Atl +4.5

    Hou +1.7                         +0.8
    NE +8.9 diff: +7.2 -9.5 = -0.8


    Looking at the values from this past week, Bal had a net value much higher than the line and won as such.
    GB was about even value with the line, and if Ponder had played, who knows, the Vikings might have at least covered the 7.5. 
    Was had some value, and if RG3 had played at 100%, they might have covered, and even won, as the system suggests. 
    Cin was the disappointment, they had the value, and they kept it close enough to almost cover.

    Looking ahead, GB and Den look to have some value. 
    Sea has a little value, although I feel Sea will win easily, but that's why I like to look at stats. 
    NE will probably win, but the line looks a bit high for a NE cover. 

    This is just one guide to evaluate the lines validity based on previous AWAY and HOME performances. Injuries need to be considered.
    GL

     




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    Please don't be so hard on Jlos, he must be broke and not getting laid, I mean, why else would he keep coming in here spending his time with this loser thread? Best thing to do is just ignore him as he's obviously looking for attention, and why he wants it from this thread, I haven't a clue. I guess it's probably better to have him in here acting out than to be out in the public at large committing some heinous act.

    So thanks everyone for a fun bowl season. Hopefully we can do this next season. I hope you all lucked out like I did with that ArSt win...I got it at -3.5 yesterday.

    Here are the values and net values with the lines for each team that I worked up for the playoff games, and, as you can see, this is why I laid off of the Colts.

    Cin +2.3                             +4.4
    Hou +2.4  diff: +0.1 -4.5 = -4.4

    Min +5.8 
    GB +13.8  diff: +8.0 -7.5 = +0.5

    Ind -9.3
    Bal +9.1 diff: +18.4 -7.0 = +11.4

    Sea +1.0
    Was +2.2  diff: +1.2 +3 = +4.2
    ............................................................

    Bal -2.7                             
    Den +10.5  diff: +13.2 -9.5 = +3.7

    GB +6.7                           +2.8
    SF +6.9  diff: +0.2 -3.0 = -2.8

    Sea +4.5 diff: +0.0 +1.0 = +1.2
    Atl +4.5

    Hou +1.7                         +0.8
    NE +8.9 diff: +7.2 -9.5 = -0.8


    Looking at the values from this past week, Bal had a net value much higher than the line and won as such.
    GB was about even value with the line, and if Ponder had played, who knows, the Vikings might have at least covered the 7.5. 
    Was had some value, and if RG3 had played at 100%, they might have covered, and even won, as the system suggests. 
    Cin was the disappointment, they had the value, and they kept it close enough to almost cover.

    Looking ahead, GB and Den look to have some value. 
    Sea has a little value, although I feel Sea will win easily, but that's why I like to look at stats. 
    NE will probably win, but the line looks a bit high for a NE cover. 

    This is just one guide to evaluate the lines validity based on previous AWAY and HOME performances. Injuries need to be considered.
    GL

     




     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gratefulbets:

    Here are my bowl system values and strategies for picking games. Because your lines may be different, I'm giving you the reasoning for the net values so you may make your own net values and decisions. This is only my 7th year working with the bowl games, and this particular system has about 3 seasons of history, with some minor changes each year. Last year I posted most of my plays which did very well. But it's a short history, so proceed with caution!!

    There are 2 categories of value, "A" and "B". The value of each category is measured against the line. If the net value is +3 to +6.5, in at least the "A" net value, without the "B" category having any value for the opposing team, then that is a basic play which should cover a minimum of 65% in that category.
    If the net value is +7 to +9.5, in at least the"A" net value, without the "B" category having any value for the opposing team, then that is a play which should cover a minimum of 73% in that category. 
    If the net value is +10 or more, in at least the"A" net value, without the "B" category having any value for the opposing team, then that is a play which should cover a minimum of 80% in that category. 

    Having net value for the same team in both "A" and "B" :
    If the net value is +3 to +6.5, or greater, in both the"A" net value and the "B" net value, for the same team, then that is a play which should cover a minimum of 75% in that category.
    As above:
    +7 to +9.5 should yield 85%
    +10, or more, should yield 95%

    Here is the list of games. The games that have both net values "A" and "B" for the same team, and with the minimum values described above, in those colors, are also colored in this list. 

    Important: my pick defaults to the lowest value of either category: ie., UT +10...+4 falls in to the category of +3 to +6.5.








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    Quote Originally Posted by gratefulbets:

    Here are my bowl system values and strategies for picking games. Because your lines may be different, I'm giving you the reasoning for the net values so you may make your own net values and decisions. This is only my 7th year working with the bowl games, and this particular system has about 3 seasons of history, with some minor changes each year. Last year I posted most of my plays which did very well. But it's a short history, so proceed with caution!!

    There are 2 categories of value, "A" and "B". The value of each category is measured against the line. If the net value is +3 to +6.5, in at least the "A" net value, without the "B" category having any value for the opposing team, then that is a basic play which should cover a minimum of 65% in that category.
    If the net value is +7 to +9.5, in at least the"A" net value, without the "B" category having any value for the opposing team, then that is a play which should cover a minimum of 73% in that category. 
    If the net value is +10 or more, in at least the"A" net value, without the "B" category having any value for the opposing team, then that is a play which should cover a minimum of 80% in that category. 

    Having net value for the same team in both "A" and "B" :
    If the net value is +3 to +6.5, or greater, in both the"A" net value and the "B" net value, for the same team, then that is a play which should cover a minimum of 75% in that category.
    As above:
    +7 to +9.5 should yield 85%
    +10, or more, should yield 95%

    Here is the list of games. The games that have both net values "A" and "B" for the same team, and with the minimum values described above, in those colors, are also colored in this list. 

    Important: my pick defaults to the lowest value of either category: ie., UT +10...+4 falls in to the category of +3 to +6.5.








    vg results$, connected to a vg Bowl handicapping System. proven solid..appreciate$ you sharing your knowledge.  , informative...look for you next season come Bowl time, enjoy the game tonight- later.........
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