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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 1:27 AM ET #1

    Away:  Washington [1-2 ATS]
    Home:  Philadelphia [1-2 ATS]

    Game Time: 4:15 PM
    Stadium: Lincoln Financial Field

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    Washington:
    Passing: Donovan McNabb (833)
    Rushing: Clinton Portis (140)
    Receiving: Santana Moss (290)

    Philadelphia:
    Passing: Michael Vick (750)
    Rushing: LeSean McCoy (209)
    Receiving: DeSean Jackson (318)

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    Away:  Washington [1-2 ATS]
    Home:  Philadelphia [1-2 ATS]

    Game Time: 4:15 PM
    Stadium: Lincoln Financial Field

    Recent Meetings:
    N/A

    Team Leaders:

    Washington:
    Passing: Donovan McNabb (833)
    Rushing: Clinton Portis (140)
    Receiving: Santana Moss (290)

    Philadelphia:
    Passing: Michael Vick (750)
    Rushing: LeSean McCoy (209)
    Receiving: DeSean Jackson (318)

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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 5:19 AM ET #2

    McNabb was himself last week failing to score inside the redzone. Eagles fans like myself remember this all to well. Michael Vick and company will show McNabb how to get it done.

    Pick = Philadelphia-6

    My Guesstimate = Philly-24 Washington-13

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    McNabb was himself last week failing to score inside the redzone. Eagles fans like myself remember this all to well. Michael Vick and company will show McNabb how to get it done.

    Pick = Philadelphia-6

    My Guesstimate = Philly-24 Washington-13

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 10:31 AM ET #3

    Divisional game with a ton of emotion. The Skins will be jacked up for this and the number looks good getting 6.5. I like divisional road dogs getting somewhere from a FG to a TD and this is right in the wheelhouse. I'm not sure who wins, but I like the Skins to bounce back and cover.
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    Divisional game with a ton of emotion. The Skins will be jacked up for this and the number looks good getting 6.5. I like divisional road dogs getting somewhere from a FG to a TD and this is right in the wheelhouse. I'm not sure who wins, but I like the Skins to bounce back and cover.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 12:38 PM ET #4

    I'm running the other way here.  I'm a philly fan too so i remember some bad games that we've laid to one beleaguered washington franchise and this is not a good spot for us.

    We are off our best all around game of the season.  The defense was great and the offense produced the big play, but what worries me is that i haven't seen us conduct quality drives as much as i would like to (big plays are nice and keep defenses honest, but can be defended by good teams/good coaches). 

    Donovan Mcnabb has been practicing against that philly defense for the last decade and while it's a lot of different personnel, the creative genious now is the same for the most part as sean mcdermott is merely jim johnson's protege and has been a little less impressive in my opinion.

    washington is 6-3-1 ATS last 10 vs philly and has covered 4 of 5 in philly, winning two of those SU.

    the spread opened at 6.5 pretty much asking the public to jump in on philly and vick experiment while it's looking very sexy, but then dropped it quickly to 6 as they had a little more money in on washington than they expected.  good RLM.

    I'll look into this game, but as you can see by my thought process, it will be hard to get me off this one, especially since the skins can lose SU, but still keep their cover streak alive.


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    I'm running the other way here.  I'm a philly fan too so i remember some bad games that we've laid to one beleaguered washington franchise and this is not a good spot for us.

    We are off our best all around game of the season.  The defense was great and the offense produced the big play, but what worries me is that i haven't seen us conduct quality drives as much as i would like to (big plays are nice and keep defenses honest, but can be defended by good teams/good coaches). 

    Donovan Mcnabb has been practicing against that philly defense for the last decade and while it's a lot of different personnel, the creative genious now is the same for the most part as sean mcdermott is merely jim johnson's protege and has been a little less impressive in my opinion.

    washington is 6-3-1 ATS last 10 vs philly and has covered 4 of 5 in philly, winning two of those SU.

    the spread opened at 6.5 pretty much asking the public to jump in on philly and vick experiment while it's looking very sexy, but then dropped it quickly to 6 as they had a little more money in on washington than they expected.  good RLM.

    I'll look into this game, but as you can see by my thought process, it will be hard to get me off this one, especially since the skins can lose SU, but still keep their cover streak alive.


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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 2:43 PM ET #5

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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 11:53 PM ET #6

    WASH is 16-4 ats away off a su ats loss of 10pts or less vs opp with revenge.They lost 27-24 on 11/29/09.Stats and trends are Marc Lawrence2008 playbook.
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    WASH is 16-4 ats away off a su ats loss of 10pts or less vs opp with revenge.They lost 27-24 on 11/29/09.Stats and trends are Marc Lawrence2008 playbook.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 12:20 AM ET #7

    This is a 3pt game division rival. Wash looked horrible last week but line too high. Wash for the large
    If you’re not large, you’re small - the DOC
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    This is a 3pt game division rival. Wash looked horrible last week but line too high. Wash for the large
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 12:46 AM ET #8

    Washington +6

    As an Eagles fan, I don't like this spot at all for the Birds.  The Redskins are traditionally a solid road underdog team, and they have covered their last three games in Philadelphia.  McNabb is going to play this game with a chip on his shoulder, and I expect him to have a solid performance. 

    The Eagles played their best possible game in Jacksonville Sunday, due in no small part to a wretched performance by Garrard.  Vick has been on fire, but one of these weeks he is going to cool down.  Look for the Redskins, coming off two consecutive losses, to play this game with more intensity.  Washington has a good chance at pulling off the outright victory.
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    Washington +6

    As an Eagles fan, I don't like this spot at all for the Birds.  The Redskins are traditionally a solid road underdog team, and they have covered their last three games in Philadelphia.  McNabb is going to play this game with a chip on his shoulder, and I expect him to have a solid performance. 

    The Eagles played their best possible game in Jacksonville Sunday, due in no small part to a wretched performance by Garrard.  Vick has been on fire, but one of these weeks he is going to cool down.  Look for the Redskins, coming off two consecutive losses, to play this game with more intensity.  Washington has a good chance at pulling off the outright victory.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 5:36 PM ET #9

    I wouldn't say he's hot and needs to cool down so much as he's playing well and doing what he should do to sub par teams, even on the road.  I'd like to see him win one even without all the sexy numbers that everyone's raving about before I believe that he can be "the answer" for philly though.
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    I wouldn't say he's hot and needs to cool down so much as he's playing well and doing what he should do to sub par teams, even on the road.  I'd like to see him win one even without all the sexy numbers that everyone's raving about before I believe that he can be "the answer" for philly though.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 7:53 PM ET #10

    Philadelphia - 26                            Washington - 19

    Eagles -6                                over  42.5

    I don't think this is a good spot for the Skins, coming off 2 SU losses, with the last being a DD SU loss to the Rams, for God's sake.

    Eagles at home --- OVER

    Cheesesteaks at Pat's and a night of suds at Chicky and Pete's

     

     

     

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    Philadelphia - 26                            Washington - 19

    Eagles -6                                over  42.5

    I don't think this is a good spot for the Skins, coming off 2 SU losses, with the last being a DD SU loss to the Rams, for God's sake.

    Eagles at home --- OVER

    Cheesesteaks at Pat's and a night of suds at Chicky and Pete's

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 9:00 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by wangichu:

    I'm running the other way here.  I'm a philly fan too so i remember some bad games that we've laid to one beleaguered washington franchise and this is not a good spot for us.

    We are off our best all around game of the season.  The defense was great and the offense produced the big play, but what worries me is that i haven't seen us conduct quality drives as much as i would like to (big plays are nice and keep defenses honest, but can be defended by good teams/good coaches). 

    Donovan Mcnabb has been practicing against that philly defense for the last decade and while it's a lot of different personnel, the creative genious now is the same for the most part as sean mcdermott is merely jim johnson's protege and has been a little less impressive in my opinion.

    washington is 6-3-1 ATS last 10 vs philly and has covered 4 of 5 in philly, winning two of those SU.

    the spread opened at 6.5 pretty much asking the public to jump in on philly and vick experiment while it's looking very sexy, but then dropped it quickly to 6 as they had a little more money in on washington than they expected.  good RLM.

    I'll look into this game, but as you can see by my thought process, it will be hard to get me off this one, especially since the skins can lose SU, but still keep their cover streak alive.


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    Great post, and it's refreshing to read a Philly's fan honest yet skeptical take on this matchup.  This spread is ridiculously high.  It's pretty much saying that the Eagles are clearly the better team in this matchup when just 2 weeks ago, the media was saying they had the least chance of winning this division.  I like what the Eagles are doing, but I also like the Skins and I like them just slightly more in overall talent.  I'll take an experienced Portis over McCoy even though I like McCoy.  I'll take an experienced Moss / Galloway / Cooley over DeSean / Maclin even though i have respect for Eagles receivers.  and of course, I'll take McNabb over Vick even though Vick is the flashier player, he's only showed me a handful of stunning performances.  McNabb has gone to the playoffs how many times?  And now McNabb gets to face a team that no other quarterback in the league knows better than him.  This is a huge advantage.  NFC East is wide open and Skins have always played the Eagles well WITHOUT a good quarterback at the helm.  Now they have a true leader in McNabb.  As far as last week went, I knew the Skins would have problems in St. Louis and that's why i didnt touch the game.  For those who have watched the Skins over the years, for some odd reason they've always struggled against the Rams.  It's really weird but in the NFL that's just the way it goes sometimes.  Certain squads just have trouble with other certain squads even if one squad is superior in talent.  That's what makes the NFL so great.  It's wacky like that at times when teams meet teams from other divisions.  I'm sure the Skins had underestimated Sam Bradford and was looking forward to this matchup with the Eagles cuzz this will be the game THAT EVERYONE wants to see.  This game is much bigger for McNabb than it is for Vick.  MUCH BIGGER.  You don't think he's gonna bring his A-game? I know he's old and been through some injuries, but he's still got some of that old fire in him, and those who have watched McNabb over the years has seen him do some incredible things with that football.

    Forget the points.  Take Skins on the Money.  Let's not overestimate victories over the loser Lions and the dismal Jags.  Those aren't even real football organizations.  They're filler for this league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wangichu:

    I'm running the other way here.  I'm a philly fan too so i remember some bad games that we've laid to one beleaguered washington franchise and this is not a good spot for us.

    We are off our best all around game of the season.  The defense was great and the offense produced the big play, but what worries me is that i haven't seen us conduct quality drives as much as i would like to (big plays are nice and keep defenses honest, but can be defended by good teams/good coaches). 

    Donovan Mcnabb has been practicing against that philly defense for the last decade and while it's a lot of different personnel, the creative genious now is the same for the most part as sean mcdermott is merely jim johnson's protege and has been a little less impressive in my opinion.

    washington is 6-3-1 ATS last 10 vs philly and has covered 4 of 5 in philly, winning two of those SU.

    the spread opened at 6.5 pretty much asking the public to jump in on philly and vick experiment while it's looking very sexy, but then dropped it quickly to 6 as they had a little more money in on washington than they expected.  good RLM.

    I'll look into this game, but as you can see by my thought process, it will be hard to get me off this one, especially since the skins can lose SU, but still keep their cover streak alive.


    WAS +6

    Great post, and it's refreshing to read a Philly's fan honest yet skeptical take on this matchup.  This spread is ridiculously high.  It's pretty much saying that the Eagles are clearly the better team in this matchup when just 2 weeks ago, the media was saying they had the least chance of winning this division.  I like what the Eagles are doing, but I also like the Skins and I like them just slightly more in overall talent.  I'll take an experienced Portis over McCoy even though I like McCoy.  I'll take an experienced Moss / Galloway / Cooley over DeSean / Maclin even though i have respect for Eagles receivers.  and of course, I'll take McNabb over Vick even though Vick is the flashier player, he's only showed me a handful of stunning performances.  McNabb has gone to the playoffs how many times?  And now McNabb gets to face a team that no other quarterback in the league knows better than him.  This is a huge advantage.  NFC East is wide open and Skins have always played the Eagles well WITHOUT a good quarterback at the helm.  Now they have a true leader in McNabb.  As far as last week went, I knew the Skins would have problems in St. Louis and that's why i didnt touch the game.  For those who have watched the Skins over the years, for some odd reason they've always struggled against the Rams.  It's really weird but in the NFL that's just the way it goes sometimes.  Certain squads just have trouble with other certain squads even if one squad is superior in talent.  That's what makes the NFL so great.  It's wacky like that at times when teams meet teams from other divisions.  I'm sure the Skins had underestimated Sam Bradford and was looking forward to this matchup with the Eagles cuzz this will be the game THAT EVERYONE wants to see.  This game is much bigger for McNabb than it is for Vick.  MUCH BIGGER.  You don't think he's gonna bring his A-game? I know he's old and been through some injuries, but he's still got some of that old fire in him, and those who have watched McNabb over the years has seen him do some incredible things with that football.

    Forget the points.  Take Skins on the Money.  Let's not overestimate victories over the loser Lions and the dismal Jags.  Those aren't even real football organizations.  They're filler for this league.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 11:03 PM ET #12

         It's Vicks' team now!  As soon as Mike brings the fickle Philly fans to their feet, the crowd will let Mc Nabb know he's not welcome here anymore!

        PHILADELPHIA    -- 6

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         It's Vicks' team now!  As soon as Mike brings the fickle Philly fans to their feet, the crowd will let Mc Nabb know he's not welcome here anymore!

        PHILADELPHIA    -- 6

     
    dddevin69
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2010 - 6:13 AM ET #13

    Wash + 6.                                I'm a dallas fan and I can assure u that Wash has some good defensive weapons. Yeah, I know Dallas stunk it up in that game, but this is the same wash team that ALMOST beat Houston.  it's a DIV RIVALRY.   remember that before u blow ur wad being on the vick bandwagon.  I'm anti vick on this one....I'm supporting the DOG.     sorry in advance if this post was offensive to vick supporters.
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    Wash + 6.                                I'm a dallas fan and I can assure u that Wash has some good defensive weapons. Yeah, I know Dallas stunk it up in that game, but this is the same wash team that ALMOST beat Houston.  it's a DIV RIVALRY.   remember that before u blow ur wad being on the vick bandwagon.  I'm anti vick on this one....I'm supporting the DOG.     sorry in advance if this post was offensive to vick supporters.
     
    lookingtowin
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2010 - 8:39 AM ET #14

    The Last Man standing to make a field goal wins this game.  I've got Washington at +6.5.  Washington was definitely looking ahead last week in their game against the Rams.  ALL.

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    The Last Man standing to make a field goal wins this game.  I've got Washington at +6.5.  Washington was definitely looking ahead last week in their game against the Rams.  ALL.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2010 - 4:48 PM ET #15

    Liking most of your points.  McNabb has been looking forward to this game since signing with the Skins.  He will play out of his mind in Philly and the Skins will give it everything they have after 2 losses and especially the terrible loss to the Rams.  I'm gonna buy an extra point but I probably won't even need it.  I am seeing some minor reverse line movement, where public is slightly on Philly yet the line went down to -6.  I could even see Skins winning this game straight up.  I'm on

    REDSKINS +7

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    Liking most of your points.  McNabb has been looking forward to this game since signing with the Skins.  He will play out of his mind in Philly and the Skins will give it everything they have after 2 losses and especially the terrible loss to the Rams.  I'm gonna buy an extra point but I probably won't even need it.  I am seeing some minor reverse line movement, where public is slightly on Philly yet the line went down to -6.  I could even see Skins winning this game straight up.  I'm on

    REDSKINS +7

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2010 - 12:42 AM ET #16

    if you are a smart gambler you always gotta think of taking the juice out of the home team line.. skins bigtime for me
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    if you are a smart gambler you always gotta think of taking the juice out of the home team line.. skins bigtime for me
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2010 - 12:13 PM ET #17

    I like road dogs in divisional matchups getting 3 or more as they tend to have great success. Philly is 22-15-1 since 85' in these matchups and haven't failed to cover since 2006. QB dogkiller is getting so much hype that you are getting an inflated line with value anyway. Skins big.
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    I like road dogs in divisional matchups getting 3 or more as they tend to have great success. Philly is 22-15-1 since 85' in these matchups and haven't failed to cover since 2006. QB dogkiller is getting so much hype that you are getting an inflated line with value anyway. Skins big.
     
    Hatred4Dallas
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2010 - 1:33 AM ET #18

    Trend that no one else on here is talking about:

    In 08' Skins were 0-3 SU w/o their starting LT (Chris Samuels)
    In 09' Skins were 0-2 SU w/o their starting LT (Chris Samuels)
    In 10' Skins are 0-1 SU w/o their starting LT (Trent Williams)

    HOLLA!

    I'm a skins fan btw. (hints the screen name)
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    Trend that no one else on here is talking about:

    In 08' Skins were 0-3 SU w/o their starting LT (Chris Samuels)
    In 09' Skins were 0-2 SU w/o their starting LT (Chris Samuels)
    In 10' Skins are 0-1 SU w/o their starting LT (Trent Williams)

    HOLLA!

    I'm a skins fan btw. (hints the screen name)
     
    wangichu
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2010 - 10:22 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatred4Dallas:

    Trend that no one else on here is talking about:

    In 08' Skins were 0-3 SU w/o their starting LT (Chris Samuels)
    In 09' Skins were 0-2 SU w/o their starting LT (Chris Samuels)
    In 10' Skins are 0-1 SU w/o their starting LT (Trent Williams)

    HOLLA!

    I'm a skins fan btw. (hints the screen name)


    I hear you and philly can get at the passer, BUT i just thinkl this a classic case of a team that always causes problems for philly.  As a philly fan, it always feels like we should beat the skins by a TD plus and we rarely win SU, let alone cover and this is just too many points

    besides, i think the eagles win by 3 more than i think the skins win SU, but i feel strongly that anything more than a FG is too much.  Seems like vegas agrees with me seeing that line move towards my side.

    WAS +5.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatred4Dallas:

    Trend that no one else on here is talking about:

    In 08' Skins were 0-3 SU w/o their starting LT (Chris Samuels)
    In 09' Skins were 0-2 SU w/o their starting LT (Chris Samuels)
    In 10' Skins are 0-1 SU w/o their starting LT (Trent Williams)

    HOLLA!

    I'm a skins fan btw. (hints the screen name)


    I hear you and philly can get at the passer, BUT i just thinkl this a classic case of a team that always causes problems for philly.  As a philly fan, it always feels like we should beat the skins by a TD plus and we rarely win SU, let alone cover and this is just too many points

    besides, i think the eagles win by 3 more than i think the skins win SU, but i feel strongly that anything more than a FG is too much.  Seems like vegas agrees with me seeing that line move towards my side.

    WAS +5.5
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2010 - 12:36 AM ET #20

    SKINS +7
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    SKINS +7
     
    Nitro
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2010 - 1:13 AM ET #21

    I don't know how you cannot take the over here..
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    I don't know how you cannot take the over here..
     
    W8LIFTER
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2010 - 1:21 AM ET #22

    Philadelphia/Washington OVER 43
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    Philadelphia/Washington OVER 43
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2010 - 2:09 AM ET #23

     COPY THAT  --- OVER  TSH OVER TSH!!
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     COPY THAT  --- OVER  TSH OVER TSH!!
     
    obes728
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2010 - 11:30 AM ET #24

    Skins +6.5 -109 (2 units)
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    Skins +6.5 -109 (2 units)
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2010 - 11:43 AM ET #25

    Washington simply not cashing in when they get into the red-zone.  That's gotta stop today... and, I'm betting it does.

    After facing Detroit and Jacksonville, 'Skins are the toughest Vick has faced in quite a while.  Philly OL has already allowed 14 sacks TY... and is far from healthy.

    Redskins 8-1 ATS L9 as divisional road dog and Eagles 1-6 ATS L7 as divisional home chalk.

    Washington +5

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    Washington simply not cashing in when they get into the red-zone.  That's gotta stop today... and, I'm betting it does.

    After facing Detroit and Jacksonville, 'Skins are the toughest Vick has faced in quite a while.  Philly OL has already allowed 14 sacks TY... and is far from healthy.

    Redskins 8-1 ATS L9 as divisional road dog and Eagles 1-6 ATS L7 as divisional home chalk.

    Washington +5

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