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    Pittsburgh at Arizona (02/01/2009)

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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 1:15 PM ET #226

    so out of 9 outdoor games.... including playoffs.....
     
    they won against....  Carolina 5 picks delhomme.... Seattle (not exactly a superbowl contender)..... SF (another playoff team).......
     
    so I count 3-5 outdoors this year (made a mistake with STL)....
     
    they only won against SF, SEATTLE.... and 5 picks.....
     
    so in conclusion this is a DOME TEAM..... and Tampa is outdoors correct???
     
    what kind of grass/turf is in Tampa? I odn't feel like looking it up lol
     
     
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    so out of 9 outdoor games.... including playoffs.....
     
    they won against....  Carolina 5 picks delhomme.... Seattle (not exactly a superbowl contender)..... SF (another playoff team).......
     
    so I count 3-5 outdoors this year (made a mistake with STL)....
     
    they only won against SF, SEATTLE.... and 5 picks.....
     
    so in conclusion this is a DOME TEAM..... and Tampa is outdoors correct???
     
    what kind of grass/turf is in Tampa? I odn't feel like looking it up lol
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 1:16 PM ET #227

    ill look up the turnover differential outdoors vs. in the dome.... as well as qb rating.... points scored... and points against.....
     
    and I'll be back with that info
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    ill look up the turnover differential outdoors vs. in the dome.... as well as qb rating.... points scored... and points against.....
     
    and I'll be back with that info
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 2:18 PM ET #228

    Pittsburgh -7
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    Pittsburgh -7
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 4:43 PM ET #229

    Betus.com is at - 6 1/2   I hated the -7 line but at 6 1/2 looking a little sexier. I personally thought the line would be Pitt -8 when the matchup was set.  I think i'm listening to way too many AZ backers and been second guessing the pick. 
     
    Anyone in here follow Brandon Lang's picks????
    I heard through the grapevine that he is taking AZ +7 and the under and he has been nailing the super bowl (i think he is a documented 15-0-1 or something like that). 
     
    From accuscore.com
     
    --> Arizona
    YARDSPittsburgh 27.1 1.9
    20.6 1.9

     

    I'll be making my pick tomorrow or Saturday.

     

    Good luck to ya all

     

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    Betus.com is at - 6 1/2   I hated the -7 line but at 6 1/2 looking a little sexier. I personally thought the line would be Pitt -8 when the matchup was set.  I think i'm listening to way too many AZ backers and been second guessing the pick. 
     
    Anyone in here follow Brandon Lang's picks????
    I heard through the grapevine that he is taking AZ +7 and the under and he has been nailing the super bowl (i think he is a documented 15-0-1 or something like that). 
     
    From accuscore.com
     
    --> Arizona
    YARDSPittsburgh 27.1 1.9
    20.6 1.9

     

    I'll be making my pick tomorrow or Saturday.

     

    Good luck to ya all

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 4:59 PM ET #230

    Another thing is, Vegas will be taking it in the ass if AZ wins ATS or ML.   Are they just jading the public here into picking AZ??  Cuz they arent in the business of losing money like they did last year..  hmm 2 years in a row... i kinda doubt it.
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    Another thing is, Vegas will be taking it in the ass if AZ wins ATS or ML.   Are they just jading the public here into picking AZ??  Cuz they arent in the business of losing money like they did last year..  hmm 2 years in a row... i kinda doubt it.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 6:52 PM ET #231

    Looking in the last four games I think Arizona has a really good chance at winning this outright......Reason behind this is cause in case you havent notice AZ defense has stepped it up tons, yeah I know their opponents looked like they have scored alot but truth is Arizona was blowing them out the first half they eased up in the second half just like most teams... with that in mind I feel like Pittsburgh has snuck their way into the playoffs with a couple of calls due to the refs and also if you notice Big Ben has four 6 minute comebacks in the fourth qtr... so if you took those wins and replaced them with losses they should have never gotten this far (or maybe they could have).. so if he happens to have another 4th qtr comeback there is no way he wins by a td. Also due to pittsburgh Blitz attack as for that I wouldn't be counting on that due to Arizona has covered 120 something blitz this season and all that got him four sacks that is pretty damn good if you asked me. Either team you guys pick wish you guys luck, you all have been tremendous help this year and hope to see all you back next year.
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    Looking in the last four games I think Arizona has a really good chance at winning this outright......Reason behind this is cause in case you havent notice AZ defense has stepped it up tons, yeah I know their opponents looked like they have scored alot but truth is Arizona was blowing them out the first half they eased up in the second half just like most teams... with that in mind I feel like Pittsburgh has snuck their way into the playoffs with a couple of calls due to the refs and also if you notice Big Ben has four 6 minute comebacks in the fourth qtr... so if you took those wins and replaced them with losses they should have never gotten this far (or maybe they could have).. so if he happens to have another 4th qtr comeback there is no way he wins by a td. Also due to pittsburgh Blitz attack as for that I wouldn't be counting on that due to Arizona has covered 120 something blitz this season and all that got him four sacks that is pretty damn good if you asked me. Either team you guys pick wish you guys luck, you all have been tremendous help this year and hope to see all you back next year.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 7:13 PM ET #232

    Still sticking with my pick , STEELERS laying the points , i just dont see the cardinals consistently driving up and down against the steelers... The Cardinals live off the big plays especially in the playoffs, and 1 of the things that makes the STEELERS D so good is there ability to not give up the BIG PLAYS, they make you earn it...Can Arizona do that the whole game... STEELERS   
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    Still sticking with my pick , STEELERS laying the points , i just dont see the cardinals consistently driving up and down against the steelers... The Cardinals live off the big plays especially in the playoffs, and 1 of the things that makes the STEELERS D so good is there ability to not give up the BIG PLAYS, they make you earn it...Can Arizona do that the whole game... STEELERS   
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 8:16 PM ET #233

    Quote Originally Posted by gambino412:

    Still sticking with my pick , STEELERS laying the points , i just dont see the cardinals consistently driving up and down against the steelers... The Cardinals live off the big plays especially in the playoffs, and 1 of the things that makes the STEELERS D so good is there ability to not give up the BIG PLAYS, they make you earn it...Can Arizona do that the whole game... STEELERS   
    so your message says( take  the under)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gambino412:

    Still sticking with my pick , STEELERS laying the points , i just dont see the cardinals consistently driving up and down against the steelers... The Cardinals live off the big plays especially in the playoffs, and 1 of the things that makes the STEELERS D so good is there ability to not give up the BIG PLAYS, they make you earn it...Can Arizona do that the whole game... STEELERS   
    so your message says( take  the under)

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 10:34 PM ET #234

    who does lang have i'm rolling with him!
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    who does lang have i'm rolling with him!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 11:33 PM ET #235

    STEELERS WIN DOUBLE DIGITS! look for a shutdown of the cards offense.  the will get a few big plays done, leading to about 17 points.  but steelers offense is producing some big numbers and the defense has been putting some scores on the board too!

    Im buying half a point, and taking STEELERS -6.5!!!!!!!
     
    i predict UNDER, but im staying away from that one...

    Willie parker 80 yards rushing- TAKE THE OVER!!! and he WILL score a TD

    Boldin will land a big play and drop  TD!!! take that prop, +156.

    LOCK EM UP, and may the winners be OURS
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    STEELERS WIN DOUBLE DIGITS! look for a shutdown of the cards offense.  the will get a few big plays done, leading to about 17 points.  but steelers offense is producing some big numbers and the defense has been putting some scores on the board too!

    Im buying half a point, and taking STEELERS -6.5!!!!!!!
     
    i predict UNDER, but im staying away from that one...

    Willie parker 80 yards rushing- TAKE THE OVER!!! and he WILL score a TD

    Boldin will land a big play and drop  TD!!! take that prop, +156.

    LOCK EM UP, and may the winners be OURS
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 11:40 PM ET #236

    Took Pittsburgh today at -6.5 for 5 units.  Waiting for the line to go back up or I will buy it up and take Arizona at +7.5 for 5 units.  It risking 50 or 75 to win 1000.  Hoping for Pitt to win by 7.  If you can get lines at more than 1 book its not a bad bet. 
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    Took Pittsburgh today at -6.5 for 5 units.  Waiting for the line to go back up or I will buy it up and take Arizona at +7.5 for 5 units.  It risking 50 or 75 to win 1000.  Hoping for Pitt to win by 7.  If you can get lines at more than 1 book its not a bad bet. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 4:27 AM ET #237

    when it comes down to it pitt is just a more physical team. they go from playing baltimore to zona . baltimore and pitt are real football teams. they will straight up bitch zona
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    when it comes down to it pitt is just a more physical team. they go from playing baltimore to zona . baltimore and pitt are real football teams. they will straight up bitch zona
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 9:44 AM ET #238

    After 2 weeks who knows what team shows up both teams have showed they can play exceptional football and can also stink the place up.Although Pitt D played strong in the last game many defensive plays were made by jarring tackles that would have led to points or huge gains it seemed the D was solid along the line not exceptional. If you look at the offensive Big B played all right but not great Pitt kinda squeeked by I don't think Zona will allow them to be sloppy and the huge hits of the playoff game won't be as easy with the class of Arizona renewed run game. Arizona +7 5 units.Ariz.ML 3 units,Arz/over tease 3 units,Arz rec ist 1 unit, maybe more later 
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    After 2 weeks who knows what team shows up both teams have showed they can play exceptional football and can also stink the place up.Although Pitt D played strong in the last game many defensive plays were made by jarring tackles that would have led to points or huge gains it seemed the D was solid along the line not exceptional. If you look at the offensive Big B played all right but not great Pitt kinda squeeked by I don't think Zona will allow them to be sloppy and the huge hits of the playoff game won't be as easy with the class of Arizona renewed run game. Arizona +7 5 units.Ariz.ML 3 units,Arz/over tease 3 units,Arz rec ist 1 unit, maybe more later 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluefin:

    After 2 weeks who knows what team shows up both teams have showed they can play exceptional football and can also stink the place up.Although Pitt D played strong in the last game many defensive plays were made by jarring tackles that would have led to points or huge gains it seemed the D was solid along the line not exceptional. If you look at the offensive Big B played all right but not great Pitt kinda squeeked by I don't think Zona will allow them to be sloppy and the huge hits of the playoff game won't be as easy with the class of Arizona renewed run game. Arizona +7 5 units.Ariz.ML 3 units,Arz/over tease 3 units,Arz rec ist 1 unit, maybe more later 

    Pittsburgh squeaked by? They were leading the whole game. If anyone squeaked by last game it was the Cardinals. They're the ones that blew an 18 point halftime lead and let Philly take a 1 point lead in the 4th quarter.

    And where is this renewed run game the Cards have? They had 1 good game running the ball against Carolina when they ran it 43 times for 145 yards. Willie Parker had more than that by himself against San Diego (27 carries 146 yards). In their other two games they've done nothing on the ground. 29 rushes for 102 yards against Philly and 28 rushes for 86 yards against Atlanta. So in their 3 playoff games they've had 100 rushes for 333 yards. An average of 3.3 yards a carry. That's not good. And they only managed that much against defenses much worse than the one they're going to face on Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluefin:

    After 2 weeks who knows what team shows up both teams have showed they can play exceptional football and can also stink the place up.Although Pitt D played strong in the last game many defensive plays were made by jarring tackles that would have led to points or huge gains it seemed the D was solid along the line not exceptional. If you look at the offensive Big B played all right but not great Pitt kinda squeeked by I don't think Zona will allow them to be sloppy and the huge hits of the playoff game won't be as easy with the class of Arizona renewed run game. Arizona +7 5 units.Ariz.ML 3 units,Arz/over tease 3 units,Arz rec ist 1 unit, maybe more later 

    Pittsburgh squeaked by? They were leading the whole game. If anyone squeaked by last game it was the Cardinals. They're the ones that blew an 18 point halftime lead and let Philly take a 1 point lead in the 4th quarter.

    And where is this renewed run game the Cards have? They had 1 good game running the ball against Carolina when they ran it 43 times for 145 yards. Willie Parker had more than that by himself against San Diego (27 carries 146 yards). In their other two games they've done nothing on the ground. 29 rushes for 102 yards against Philly and 28 rushes for 86 yards against Atlanta. So in their 3 playoff games they've had 100 rushes for 333 yards. An average of 3.3 yards a carry. That's not good. And they only managed that much against defenses much worse than the one they're going to face on Sunday.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 1:54 PM ET #240

    Looks like the Cards were getting hit hard early. Line is starting to come down now.
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    Looks like the Cards were getting hit hard early. Line is starting to come down now.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 2:04 PM ET #241

    does anyone know what brandon lang's saying about the game?  16-0-2 all time in the big game.

    ( i love the under) 46.5
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    does anyone know what brandon lang's saying about the game?  16-0-2 all time in the big game.

    ( i love the under) 46.5
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 2:09 PM ET #242

    Is the greek and bet jam same company?
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    Is the greek and bet jam same company?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 5:42 PM ET #243

    Three player props that I love:
     
    E James Over 40 1/2 rushing yards: -105
    He's had over that in the last 4 games. Yes, this is Pitt. But, 41 yards for what is considered their primary back, and for a team that has now showed commitment to establishing at least a partial running game seems very likely.
     
    Larry Fitzgerald At Least 1 TD: -115
    He's had at least 1 TD in the last 4 games. Pitt D is good. Seriously good. But, their weakness is the secondary. And, Fitzgerald has proven himself a big play (if not the NFL's best) receiver. If we agree that Arizona can score 1 passing TD, can you really seeing it go to anyone else?
     
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    Larry Fitzgerald: +900
    Troy Polamalu: +1800
    Both of these guys stick out so much within their team's respective strengths. Unless the Pitt D doesn't show up, and Big Ben has a big come from behind performance, I don't see him or any Pitt offensive player being an MVP. And, as good as Kurt might be, Fitzgerald makes those big plays. Both guys are human highlight reels.
     
     
     
     
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    Three player props that I love:
     
    E James Over 40 1/2 rushing yards: -105
    He's had over that in the last 4 games. Yes, this is Pitt. But, 41 yards for what is considered their primary back, and for a team that has now showed commitment to establishing at least a partial running game seems very likely.
     
    Larry Fitzgerald At Least 1 TD: -115
    He's had at least 1 TD in the last 4 games. Pitt D is good. Seriously good. But, their weakness is the secondary. And, Fitzgerald has proven himself a big play (if not the NFL's best) receiver. If we agree that Arizona can score 1 passing TD, can you really seeing it go to anyone else?
     
    Super Bowl MVP
    Larry Fitzgerald: +900
    Troy Polamalu: +1800
    Both of these guys stick out so much within their team's respective strengths. Unless the Pitt D doesn't show up, and Big Ben has a big come from behind performance, I don't see him or any Pitt offensive player being an MVP. And, as good as Kurt might be, Fitzgerald makes those big plays. Both guys are human highlight reels.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 6:58 PM ET #244

    The play here is Pittsburgh at -6.5.
     
    Most the books here in LV opened with that line, and it quickly moved to -7 with wiseguy money, and now this week with the public moving on the wave of AZ it moved back to -6.5.
     
    There is great value at -6.5, my personal prediction is warner takes a dump several times on the field and Pittsburgh wipes the floor, but just in case the .5 point is great value to this team.
     
    I am leaning under, but it's a good number so I won't be betting it.
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    The play here is Pittsburgh at -6.5.
     
    Most the books here in LV opened with that line, and it quickly moved to -7 with wiseguy money, and now this week with the public moving on the wave of AZ it moved back to -6.5.
     
    There is great value at -6.5, my personal prediction is warner takes a dump several times on the field and Pittsburgh wipes the floor, but just in case the .5 point is great value to this team.
     
    I am leaning under, but it's a good number so I won't be betting it.
     
    gqbossing
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 7:00 PM ET #245

    The play here is Pittsburgh at -6.5.
     
    Most the books here in LV opened with that line, and it quickly moved to -7 with wiseguy money, and now this week with the public moving on the wave of AZ it moved back to -6.5.
     
    There is great value at -6.5, my personal prediction is warner takes a dump several times on the field and Pittsburgh wipes the floor, but just in case the .5 point is great value to this team.
     
    I am leaning under, but it's a good number so I won't be betting it.
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    The play here is Pittsburgh at -6.5.
     
    Most the books here in LV opened with that line, and it quickly moved to -7 with wiseguy money, and now this week with the public moving on the wave of AZ it moved back to -6.5.
     
    There is great value at -6.5, my personal prediction is warner takes a dump several times on the field and Pittsburgh wipes the floor, but just in case the .5 point is great value to this team.
     
    I am leaning under, but it's a good number so I won't be betting it.
     
    pickenwinners
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 8:05 PM ET #246

    Pitt - 7
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    Pitt - 7
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 8:20 PM ET #247

    Pitt -6.5 (large) or 7 (medium)
     
    Arizona is not the type of offense that will be able to sustain long drives, Pittsburgh will murder the Time of Possession in this game. 
    I don't have stats to back this up but the Time of Possession in the superbowl is really an important factor.  If  zona gets a lead i don't see them being able to sit on it either...especially with Pitts D.
    If Pitt can stop the run without cheating on it or putting an 8th guy in the box its going to be tough for Warner to do his thing against them.  Arizona will make one or two big plays down the field but they can't win the game only by having big plays -
     
    Someone also made a point above about Pittsburghs toughness and beating up on Baltimore.  After that game the Cards are going to see like a bunch of panzies - they will beat them up all game, Pitts is too tough.
     
     
    Pitts 27-Ariz 10
     
     
     
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    Pitt -6.5 (large) or 7 (medium)
     
    Arizona is not the type of offense that will be able to sustain long drives, Pittsburgh will murder the Time of Possession in this game. 
    I don't have stats to back this up but the Time of Possession in the superbowl is really an important factor.  If  zona gets a lead i don't see them being able to sit on it either...especially with Pitts D.
    If Pitt can stop the run without cheating on it or putting an 8th guy in the box its going to be tough for Warner to do his thing against them.  Arizona will make one or two big plays down the field but they can't win the game only by having big plays -
     
    Someone also made a point above about Pittsburghs toughness and beating up on Baltimore.  After that game the Cards are going to see like a bunch of panzies - they will beat them up all game, Pitts is too tough.
     
     
    Pitts 27-Ariz 10
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 8:25 PM ET #248

    Pittsburgh 49
    Arizona 17


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    Pittsburgh 49
    Arizona 17


     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 8:27 PM ET #249

    This game is a joke.......after all the crunching......after all the reading of these threads.......I can't believe that so many are on the Cards.........if they needed a missed field goal and a flee flicker and Donavan missing wide open guys for the whole first half and a Philly defensive collapse in the late 4th to get a comback win at home after leading by 18 at the half with EVERTHING going thier way in the first half to win.........how are they going to deal with one of the iconic franchises in football that are on a roll!!!........The great SF teams.........the Great Packer teams........the great NE teams........and now the  Steelers.........going up against the Cubs of the NFL...........Please........pound the Steelers and the total sacks over 5......along with fist TD scored by a # under 38!!!   Other props I like are tails(LOL) and no score first 6 minutes, Pitt over 27 and Zona under 21.   Longest TD Pitt.......1st sack Pitt........Shortest TD over 1 1/2 yards..........longest FG over 44 1/2 yds...........Zona total first downs under 17 1/2.........total punts over 5.........Pitt scores first..........shortest FG Pitt.........GL everyone!!!!!!  We'll see you next year!!!! 

    To the old friends.......your the greatest......to the new friends.....thanks for sharing thoughts and insight with me and I hope to see you all next fall!!!..........stop by and say hi on my page every once in a while as I fill the void playing a little Bball and MLB.........Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    This game is a joke.......after all the crunching......after all the reading of these threads.......I can't believe that so many are on the Cards.........if they needed a missed field goal and a flee flicker and Donavan missing wide open guys for the whole first half and a Philly defensive collapse in the late 4th to get a comback win at home after leading by 18 at the half with EVERTHING going thier way in the first half to win.........how are they going to deal with one of the iconic franchises in football that are on a roll!!!........The great SF teams.........the Great Packer teams........the great NE teams........and now the  Steelers.........going up against the Cubs of the NFL...........Please........pound the Steelers and the total sacks over 5......along with fist TD scored by a # under 38!!!   Other props I like are tails(LOL) and no score first 6 minutes, Pitt over 27 and Zona under 21.   Longest TD Pitt.......1st sack Pitt........Shortest TD over 1 1/2 yards..........longest FG over 44 1/2 yds...........Zona total first downs under 17 1/2.........total punts over 5.........Pitt scores first..........shortest FG Pitt.........GL everyone!!!!!!  We'll see you next year!!!! 

    To the old friends.......your the greatest......to the new friends.....thanks for sharing thoughts and insight with me and I hope to see you all next fall!!!..........stop by and say hi on my page every once in a while as I fill the void playing a little Bball and MLB.........Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
     
    laile
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2009 - 8:51 PM ET #250

    ARIZONA kicks ass and and the over too BOOT !!
     E---Haw
     The line is distorted and you all know it.
     I hope .....
     Peace , Love and Honky- Tonk

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    ARIZONA kicks ass and and the over too BOOT !!
     E---Haw
     The line is distorted and you all know it.
     I hope .....
     Peace , Love and Honky- Tonk

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