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#26
83% of the public on Giants and the line dropped from AZ +3.5 to AZ +3. If you're an anti-public player and want to be on Vegas' side, AZ is the pick. Tough to pull the trigger on that one though.
New York at Arizona (11/23/2008)
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#27
Quote Originally Posted by lookingtowin:
LTW you and I both know the Giants have the better personnel on the field. We also know the Cardinals are going to throw everything they have in their playbook at the Giants to win this game. This game is far more important for the Cards than the Giants. I just can't put my hard earned money on a team that has not made the playoffs since 1998... Good luck LTW Colonel are you starting to think that betting on the Giants especially with a low number like this is kind of like betting with the Pats last year. They seem to be playing with the same confidence (not cocky) as the Patriots did last year and i think have as much talent on both sides of the ball. Just a thought. Needless to say i'm with you on the Giants.
Hope the G-Men don't lay an egg in the desert. 
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#29
Quote Originally Posted by Coloneljim:
LTW you and I both know the Giants have the better personnel on the field. We also know the Cardinals are going to throw everything they have in their playbook at the Giants to win this game. This game is far more important for the Cards than the Giants. I just can't put my hard earned money on a team that has not made the playoffs since 1998... Good luck LTW
LTW you and I both know the Giants have the better personnel on the field. We also know the Cardinals are going to throw everything they have in their playbook at the Giants to win this game. This game is far more important for the Cards than the Giants. I just can't put my hard earned money on a team that has not made the playoffs since 1998... Good luck LTW
Hope the G-Men don't lay an egg in the desert.
No doubt the Cards will come to play but we will still get the money. The G-Men left their egg in Cleveland.
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#30
Quote Originally Posted by BreakaBookie:
whats the difference between Arizona and a championship team? anybody anybody???? DISCIPLINE... that's right, the Cardinals do not play with Discipline, and that will be the difference in the game.... One of the reasons why Kurt Warner passes for so many years, besides the fact they throw 80% of the time... is because they're offense ALWAYS FALSE STARTS.... their Defense ALWAYS JUMPS OFFSIDES.... every game... you can't argue that.... Kurt Warner finds himself 1st and 20 all the time... well against a good team they can't afford that.... sure maybe against the SF 49ers, who really should have won that MNF game, they can get away with it.... but this is the best team in the NFL.... when they false start and lose that yardage, Kurt Warner is going to drop back and get HURT.... Did you see Eli Hard-count the Baltimore Defense last week? imagine that defense this week.... they'll be jumping offsides to compete with that O-line before ELI finishes calling the play...
whats the difference between Arizona and a championship team? anybody anybody???? DISCIPLINE... that's right, the Cardinals do not play with Discipline, and that will be the difference in the game.... One of the reasons why Kurt Warner passes for so many years, besides the fact they throw 80% of the time... is because they're offense ALWAYS FALSE STARTS.... their Defense ALWAYS JUMPS OFFSIDES.... every game... you can't argue that.... Kurt Warner finds himself 1st and 20 all the time... well against a good team they can't afford that.... sure maybe against the SF 49ers, who really should have won that MNF game, they can get away with it.... but this is the best team in the NFL.... when they false start and lose that yardage, Kurt Warner is going to drop back and get HURT.... Did you see Eli Hard-count the Baltimore Defense last week? imagine that defense this week.... they'll be jumping offsides to compete with that O-line before ELI finishes calling the play...
Giants don't get penalized in the trenches.... that's the mistake that plagued them for years that they erased last year... and this year it's non-existant....
championship caliber teams don't false-start, and don't jump offsides.... that will be the difference here....
and the last time THE GIANTS traveled to Arizona they beat the Patriots in the Superbowl.... Eli played pretty well in that stadium then... I dont' see a difference now...
Ok, talking about Eli and a hard count is not comparable b/c he was at home for that...crowd noise is against Eli in this.
Second of all, although NYG plays well overall, they are not diciplined. They're ranked 28th on both sides of the ball in penalty yards lost while ARZ is ranked 23rd on both sides...so that edge goes to ARZ.
I'm not endorsing either side but be careful with those statements
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#31
Quote Originally Posted by DiscoD69:
Ok, talking about Eli and a hard count is not comparable b/c he was at home for that...crowd noise is against Eli in this.
Second of all, although NYG plays well overall, they are not diciplined. They're ranked 28th on both sides of the ball in penalty yards lost while ARZ is ranked 23rd on both sides...so that edge goes to ARZ.
I'm not endorsing either side but be careful with those statements
Did you see that Monday Night game against the 49ers? they had 3 scores called back on penalties.... they were jumping offsides AT HOME.... and they were false starting AT HOME... the edge is definitely in the Giants favor as to that regard.... Eli will be able to make the jump offsides way easier than the SF qb.... I think it's a big factor
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#32
All I'm saying is that the Crowd noise will be against Eli and on the Cards side...and that game vs. SF, the whole team played like shit, I'm sure offsides and false starts arent the only bad stats you can pull out of that.
And as I said...Overall, ARZ is more disciplined on both sides of that ball, as they do have a penalty yards lost advantage. False starts and offsides are included in that, so despite what happened vs. SF, they're still ahead.
That's my point...
I'm actually leaning on the Giants at this point, but I'm scared as hell.
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#33
I think my play on this game may be just to take the total over. I see the Cardinals scoring points as well as giving them up. I hate how the public is all over the Giants which makes me want to stay away from it but.....if i were to bet on the line i would probably take the Giants to cover. I think it will come down to which Eli shows up for this one. Eli has been consistent this year but I just keep thinking back to that game against the Browns this year where Eli played so poorly. If the Cardinals get a lot of pressure on Eli he may whiff the game. I think the over is the play on this game anyways. GL 
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#39
I like the Giants and the Over here. Giants are easily the best team in the NFC. They have a dominate defense and a solid offense that runs better than anyone in football and a passing game that can be efficient when it needs too. Kurt Warner is my MVP so far into this season. I think the Cardinals can hang with the Giants for 3 quarters but Kurt Warners innability to move in the pocket costs one too many turnovers and the Giants get a solid cover.
GIANTS AND OVER
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#44
Quote Originally Posted by DiscoD69:
Ok, talking about Eli and a hard count is not comparable b/c he was at home for that...crowd noise is against Eli in this.
Second of all, although NYG plays well overall, they are not diciplined. They're ranked 28th on both sides of the ball in penalty yards lost while ARZ is ranked 23rd on both sides...so that edge goes to ARZ.
I'm not endorsing either side but be careful with those statements
The Cardinals, the league's worst team last year in running up penalties, are back at it in 2008. They are tied for the most penalties in the NFL at 72.
Maybe they are who they are, though this apparent part of their identity is not the stuff of public-relations campaigns.
"I'm not going to accept that," coach Ken Whisenhunt said of this notion. "At some point, hopefully, we'll turn the tide and become better."
To be sure, the Cardinals continue to work on the problem.
"We can't take all the penalties back," said safety Adrian Wilson, whose offside penalty Monday night nullified an interception return for a touchdown by Antrel Rolle. "We have to continue to work on it. He (Whisenhunt) harps on it every day. It's not like we're not mindful of it."
Good teams win games, Great teams cover the spread!
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#47
My 2 cents worth, live in AZ and watch alot of Cardinals football. Cardinals are no where near the complete team Giants are. Cardinals record misleading. Very weak division, secondly no running game. This means, the Giant's(#2 pass defense) can put all their attention on Warner. Which we know is not that mobile of a QB. Giant's will be forcing Warner to throw the ball quicker than he wants all day long. Warner will throw a couple of picks and once the Giants have a double digit lead, will pound the ball with their 3 RB's. Long day for the Cardinals. Final score 34 - 17 Giant's Roll!!!!
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#48
Quote Originally Posted by foxybrown:
My 2 cents worth, live in AZ and watch alot of Cardinals football. Cardinals are no where near the complete team Giants are. Cardinals record misleading. Very weak division, secondly no running game. This means, the Giant's(#2 pass defense) can put all their attention on Warner. Which we know is not that mobile of a QB. Giant's will be forcing Warner to throw the ball quicker than he wants all day long. Warner will throw a couple of picks and once the Giants have a double digit lead, will pound the ball with their 3 RB's. Long day for the Cardinals. Final score 34 - 17 Giant's Roll!!!!
Remember, the Cleveland Browns are no where the complete team the Giants are either...but at home anything can happen. I think this line is another example of where the public says.."wow, the Giants only -3...the Cardinals cant compete this team, no way!!"...I need to look at this a little more but early lean is AZ +3.5.
GL
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