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    New York at Arizona (11/23/2008)

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    Mr_Covers
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2008 - 3:04 AM ET #1

    Away:  N.Y. Giants [8-2 ATS]
    Home:  Arizona [7-3 ATS]

    Game Time: 4:15 PM
    Stadium: University of Phoenix Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    N.Y. Giants:
    Passing: Eli Manning (2079)
    Rushing: Brandon Jacobs (879)
    Receiving: Plaxico Burress (454)

    Arizona:
    Passing: Kurt Warner (3154)
    Rushing: Edgerrin James (385)
    Receiving: Larry Fitzgerald (942)

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    Away:  N.Y. Giants [8-2 ATS]
    Home:  Arizona [7-3 ATS]

    Game Time: 4:15 PM
    Stadium: University of Phoenix Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
    N/A

    Team Leaders:

    N.Y. Giants:
    Passing: Eli Manning (2079)
    Rushing: Brandon Jacobs (879)
    Receiving: Plaxico Burress (454)

    Arizona:
    Passing: Kurt Warner (3154)
    Rushing: Edgerrin James (385)
    Receiving: Larry Fitzgerald (942)

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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2008 - 7:24 PM ET #2

    -3 seems like a gift here. 
    Am I missing something???
     
    Should we pounce on this before it moves up??
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    -3 seems like a gift here. 
    Am I missing something???
     
    Should we pounce on this before it moves up??
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2008 - 1:10 AM ET #3

    How does it seem like a gift? Two of the top teams in the NFC go head to head, Cards get points for being at home. Close game, giants get it in the end.
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    How does it seem like a gift? Two of the top teams in the NFC go head to head, Cards get points for being at home. Close game, giants get it in the end.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2008 - 1:24 PM ET #4

    Vegas is drinking their bathwater. Giants take this by 7 easily. They're the best team in the league (better than Tenn) going against the NFC West leader (look at thier division, enough said). Sure, they're in the desert but they can't handle the G-Men.
     
    Take the Giants -3!
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    Vegas is drinking their bathwater. Giants take this by 7 easily. They're the best team in the league (better than Tenn) going against the NFC West leader (look at thier division, enough said). Sure, they're in the desert but they can't handle the G-Men.
     
    Take the Giants -3!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2008 - 3:32 PM ET #5

    Giants will dominate
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    Giants will dominate
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2008 - 5:20 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by neloms:

    Vegas is drinking their bathwater. Giants take this by 7 easily. They're the best team in the league (better than Tenn) going against the NFC West leader (look at thier division, enough said). Sure, they're in the desert but they can't handle the G-Men.
     
    Take the Giants -3!

    The G-Men are the best team in the league on both sides of the ball and if Arizona plays like they did against the 49ers two weeks ago the score will be 49-10.  If they play a half decent game it will only be 31-10.  The Giants roll on.   Notice i changed my pic from old man McCain to a young Manny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neloms:

    Vegas is drinking their bathwater. Giants take this by 7 easily. They're the best team in the league (better than Tenn) going against the NFC West leader (look at thier division, enough said). Sure, they're in the desert but they can't handle the G-Men.
     
    Take the Giants -3!

    The G-Men are the best team in the league on both sides of the ball and if Arizona plays like they did against the 49ers two weeks ago the score will be 49-10.  If they play a half decent game it will only be 31-10.  The Giants roll on.   Notice i changed my pic from old man McCain to a young Manny.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2008 - 7:03 PM ET #7

    some going on with the point ? Giant are way better than that , be careful in this game
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    some going on with the point ? Giant are way better than that , be careful in this game
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 9:32 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by wintowin:

    some going on with the point ? Giant are way better than that , be careful in this game

    Please explain what there is to be careful about.  Giants are simply the best team in football on both sides of the ball.  There is only one reason why they lose this games and that is if they come up with about 5 major injuries during the game including Manning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintowin:

    some going on with the point ? Giant are way better than that , be careful in this game

    Please explain what there is to be careful about.  Giants are simply the best team in football on both sides of the ball.  There is only one reason why they lose this games and that is if they come up with about 5 major injuries during the game including Manning.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 10:43 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by lookingtowin:

    Please explain what there is to be careful about.  Giants are simply the best team in football on both sides of the ball.  There is only one reason why they lose this games and that is if they come up with about 5 major injuries during the game including Manning.

    i totally agree with you that Giants are the best team this year and could be the Champion , i have been bet on Giants for the last 3 games and won all three . amazing how they did , but this game line from BETUS.com they only cover -3 1/2 points (today 11/19). my opion for this game  is the Giants should cover atleast -7 points in line .

    i hope that there are no injuries for Giants during the game , the reason why i said '' BE CAREFUL IN THIS GAME " cause you all know the game are under the control from money line , and Giants have been winning for the last few game ( except the lucky brownies ) . i have no doubt the Giants will win this game BUT FOR HOW MANY POINTS ? infact , i belive the Giants will swallow the Cardinal for atleast 10 points ...

    it's still early for me to consider , but i do like the Giants in this games

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    Quote Originally Posted by lookingtowin:

    Please explain what there is to be careful about.  Giants are simply the best team in football on both sides of the ball.  There is only one reason why they lose this games and that is if they come up with about 5 major injuries during the game including Manning.

    i totally agree with you that Giants are the best team this year and could be the Champion , i have been bet on Giants for the last 3 games and won all three . amazing how they did , but this game line from BETUS.com they only cover -3 1/2 points (today 11/19). my opion for this game  is the Giants should cover atleast -7 points in line .

    i hope that there are no injuries for Giants during the game , the reason why i said '' BE CAREFUL IN THIS GAME " cause you all know the game are under the control from money line , and Giants have been winning for the last few game ( except the lucky brownies ) . i have no doubt the Giants will win this game BUT FOR HOW MANY POINTS ? infact , i belive the Giants will swallow the Cardinal for atleast 10 points ...

    it's still early for me to consider , but i do like the Giants in this games

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 3:30 PM ET #10

    giants will win.
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    giants will win.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 5:44 PM ET #11

    Arizona averages about 35 pts per home game.K Warner is in God 's zone with 105 QB rating,3154 total yards,20 td's. NO DOUBT , crowd and cards will be pumped to maximum frenzy going for W vs supe champs on spot where it all happened.Giants are much improved since then but kid yourselves not of physical toll from recent Philly / Ravens matches + Eli susceptible to occasional bad game such as Brownies game. CARDINALS 34 GIANTS 23  GL
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    Arizona averages about 35 pts per home game.K Warner is in God 's zone with 105 QB rating,3154 total yards,20 td's. NO DOUBT , crowd and cards will be pumped to maximum frenzy going for W vs supe champs on spot where it all happened.Giants are much improved since then but kid yourselves not of physical toll from recent Philly / Ravens matches + Eli susceptible to occasional bad game such as Brownies game. CARDINALS 34 GIANTS 23  GL
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 7:10 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by easypics:

    Arizona averages about 35 pts per home game.K Warner is in God 's zone with 105 QB rating,3154 total yards,20 td's. NO DOUBT , crowd and cards will be pumped to maximum frenzy going for W vs supe champs on spot where it all happened.Giants are much improved since then but kid yourselves not of physical toll from recent Philly / Ravens matches + Eli susceptible to occasional bad game such as Brownies game. CARDINALS 34 GIANTS 23  GL

    Ok, they're capable of scoring a lot of points, but not regularly against good defenses. Keep in mind that 4 of their wins are against SF (twice), SEA and STL so they are overrated. Jacobs or not, the Giants will make the Cards look weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easypics:

    Arizona averages about 35 pts per home game.K Warner is in God 's zone with 105 QB rating,3154 total yards,20 td's. NO DOUBT , crowd and cards will be pumped to maximum frenzy going for W vs supe champs on spot where it all happened.Giants are much improved since then but kid yourselves not of physical toll from recent Philly / Ravens matches + Eli susceptible to occasional bad game such as Brownies game. CARDINALS 34 GIANTS 23  GL

    Ok, they're capable of scoring a lot of points, but not regularly against good defenses. Keep in mind that 4 of their wins are against SF (twice), SEA and STL so they are overrated. Jacobs or not, the Giants will make the Cards look weak.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 7:12 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by lookingtowin:

    The G-Men are the best team in the league on both sides of the ball and if Arizona plays like they did against the 49ers two weeks ago the score will be 49-10.  If they play a half decent game it will only be 31-10.  The Giants roll on.   Notice i changed my pic from old man McCain to a young Manny.

    I'm glad we finally agree.

    It is kinda weird though - right after I put the Predator Manny as my avatar, you changed yours to Rookie Manny. Are you a Red Sox fan, or just mocking me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lookingtowin:

    The G-Men are the best team in the league on both sides of the ball and if Arizona plays like they did against the 49ers two weeks ago the score will be 49-10.  If they play a half decent game it will only be 31-10.  The Giants roll on.   Notice i changed my pic from old man McCain to a young Manny.

    I'm glad we finally agree.

    It is kinda weird though - right after I put the Predator Manny as my avatar, you changed yours to Rookie Manny. Are you a Red Sox fan, or just mocking me?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 7:20 PM ET #14

    There is a reason Warner is not the Giants' QB anymore. Just look at the Cards vs. Jets game, Warner had 3 ints, 4 fumbles and was sacked 4 times. This is what he does under pressure. Giants control the clock, must pressure Warner. Cards last 3 wins, 49ers, Rams and Seattle. If the Cards throw 40-50 times they are going to lose. Warner's going to be knocked around and be gun shy. -3.5, NY covers this easy.
    Good teams win games, Great teams cover the spread!
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    There is a reason Warner is not the Giants' QB anymore. Just look at the Cards vs. Jets game, Warner had 3 ints, 4 fumbles and was sacked 4 times. This is what he does under pressure. Giants control the clock, must pressure Warner. Cards last 3 wins, 49ers, Rams and Seattle. If the Cards throw 40-50 times they are going to lose. Warner's going to be knocked around and be gun shy. -3.5, NY covers this easy.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 7:48 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by moorebe:

    -3 seems like a gift here. 
    Am I missing something???
     
    Should we pounce on this before it moves up??
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    Quote Originally Posted by moorebe:

    -3 seems like a gift here. 
    Am I missing something???
     
    Should we pounce on this before it moves up??
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 8:00 PM ET #16

    (above)
    It does look too good to be true...
     
    Too late.. I took the bait.
     
    The Giants looked real good on both side of the ball last week.
     
    Granted, they were playing at home. But Arizona let San Francisco make a comeback on a monday night at home and almost allowed the Seahawks to cover the spread last Sun.
     
    The Gmen look like they can finish teams off, unlike the Cards.
     
    -3 NYG
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    (above)
    It does look too good to be true...
     
    Too late.. I took the bait.
     
    The Giants looked real good on both side of the ball last week.
     
    Granted, they were playing at home. But Arizona let San Francisco make a comeback on a monday night at home and almost allowed the Seahawks to cover the spread last Sun.
     
    The Gmen look like they can finish teams off, unlike the Cards.
     
    -3 NYG
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 8:58 PM ET #17

    New  York - 35                   Arizona - 18
    Giants - 3                    over 48
    Only if the G-Men lay an egg will they lose this one.
    Otherwise they should win and cover easily.
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    New  York - 35                   Arizona - 18
    Giants - 3                    over 48
    Only if the G-Men lay an egg will they lose this one.
    Otherwise they should win and cover easily.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 9:24 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by neloms:

    I'm glad we finally agree.

    It is kinda weird though - right after I put the Predator Manny as my avatar, you changed yours to Rookie Manny. Are you a Red Sox fan, or just mocking me?

    I hate to admit it this year but i'm actually a Detroit Tigers fan.  As far as Rookie Manny goes i sell baseball cards on ebay and i just picked up one of the top cards in the piles of 10's of thousands that i have.  I probably have about 30 or so of his rookie cards and think he is one of the best players in the game today.  Anyways good luck with the pick i think we are on the right side with the Giants they impress me more and more  each and every week since their loss to Cleveland.  I can't think of any team beating them unless like i said they run in to a rash of injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neloms:

    I'm glad we finally agree.

    It is kinda weird though - right after I put the Predator Manny as my avatar, you changed yours to Rookie Manny. Are you a Red Sox fan, or just mocking me?

    I hate to admit it this year but i'm actually a Detroit Tigers fan.  As far as Rookie Manny goes i sell baseball cards on ebay and i just picked up one of the top cards in the piles of 10's of thousands that i have.  I probably have about 30 or so of his rookie cards and think he is one of the best players in the game today.  Anyways good luck with the pick i think we are on the right side with the Giants they impress me more and more  each and every week since their loss to Cleveland.  I can't think of any team beating them unless like i said they run in to a rash of injuries.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coloneljim:

    New  York - 35                   Arizona - 18
    Giants - 3                    over 48
    Only if the G-Men lay an egg will they lose this one.
    Otherwise they should win and cover easily.

    Colonel are you starting to think that betting on the Giants especially with a low number like this is kind of like betting with the Pats last year.  They seem to be playing with the same confidence (not cocky) as the Patriots did last year and i think have as much talent on both sides of the ball.  Just a thought.  Needless to say i'm with you on the Giants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coloneljim:

    New  York - 35                   Arizona - 18
    Giants - 3                    over 48
    Only if the G-Men lay an egg will they lose this one.
    Otherwise they should win and cover easily.

    Colonel are you starting to think that betting on the Giants especially with a low number like this is kind of like betting with the Pats last year.  They seem to be playing with the same confidence (not cocky) as the Patriots did last year and i think have as much talent on both sides of the ball.  Just a thought.  Needless to say i'm with you on the Giants.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by neloms:

    Ok, they're capable of scoring a lot of points, but not regularly against good defenses. Keep in mind that 4 of their wins are against SF (twice), SEA and STL so they are overrated. Jacobs or not, the Giants will make the Cards look weak.

    "Scoring Not Regularly" ? Zona is undefeated at home and did score 30 pts on a tough Dallas D ,thus averaging 35 pts per game. Man to man ,NO DOUBT G-men are the better team.Though Whatever K.Warner does on the road vs. Jets  or any other is irrelevent as was Eli tossing a bone in Clev. This Line is not indicative of "Cards looking weak".For the first time in 33 years Cards can clinch a playoff spot with win , SF loss to Dallas and DeadHawks loss to Deadskinz.Kid yourself not ,Cards,Titans and G-Men are part of most improved from 07.This game has championship playoff fever match written all over as these teams could easily meet again in the Meadowlands come January with Giants taking it providing Eli is healthy.(with That O'line reckon' he will be) Love to see my G-men win but sense Zona is less banged up,more pumped n' reved up facing a weary team dealing with back to back bruisin' matches and left coast travel.Could be a shootout with Cards remaining undefeated at home. GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by neloms:

    Ok, they're capable of scoring a lot of points, but not regularly against good defenses. Keep in mind that 4 of their wins are against SF (twice), SEA and STL so they are overrated. Jacobs or not, the Giants will make the Cards look weak.

    "Scoring Not Regularly" ? Zona is undefeated at home and did score 30 pts on a tough Dallas D ,thus averaging 35 pts per game. Man to man ,NO DOUBT G-men are the better team.Though Whatever K.Warner does on the road vs. Jets  or any other is irrelevent as was Eli tossing a bone in Clev. This Line is not indicative of "Cards looking weak".For the first time in 33 years Cards can clinch a playoff spot with win , SF loss to Dallas and DeadHawks loss to Deadskinz.Kid yourself not ,Cards,Titans and G-Men are part of most improved from 07.This game has championship playoff fever match written all over as these teams could easily meet again in the Meadowlands come January with Giants taking it providing Eli is healthy.(with That O'line reckon' he will be) Love to see my G-men win but sense Zona is less banged up,more pumped n' reved up facing a weary team dealing with back to back bruisin' matches and left coast travel.Could be a shootout with Cards remaining undefeated at home. GL

     
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    Just take the over here and play it safe!
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    Just take the over here and play it safe!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by easypics:

    "Scoring Not Regularly" ? Zona is undefeated at home and did score 30 pts on a tough Dallas D ,thus averaging 35 pts per game. Man to man ,NO DOUBT G-men are the better team.Though Whatever K.Warner does on the road vs. Jets  or any other is irrelevent as was Eli tossing a bone in Clev. This Line is not indicative of "Cards looking weak".For the first time in 33 years Cards can clinch a playoff spot with win , SF loss to Dallas and DeadHawks loss to Deadskinz.Kid yourself not ,Cards,Titans and G-Men are part of most improved from 07.This game has championship playoff fever match written all over as these teams could easily meet again in the Meadowlands come January with Giants taking it providing Eli is healthy.(with That O'line reckon' he will be) Love to see my G-men win but sense Zona is less banged up,more pumped n' reved up facing a weary team dealing with back to back bruisin' matches and left coast travel.Could be a shootout with Cards remaining undefeated at home. GL

    I agree with most of your points except the Dallas strong defense lol....

    whats the difference between Arizona and a championship team? anybody anybody???? DISCIPLINE... that's right, the Cardinals do not play with Discipline, and that will be the difference in the game.... One of the reasons why Kurt Warner passes for so many years, besides the fact they throw 80% of the time... is because they're offense ALWAYS FALSE STARTS.... their Defense ALWAYS JUMPS OFFSIDES.... every game... you can't argue that.... Kurt Warner finds himself 1st and 20 all the time... well against a good team they can't afford that.... sure maybe against the SF 49ers, who really should have won that MNF game, they can get away with it.... but this is the best team in the NFL.... when they false start and lose that yardage, Kurt Warner is going to drop back and get HURT.... Did you see Eli Hard-count the Baltimore Defense last week? imagine that defense this week.... they'll be jumping offsides to compete with that O-line before ELI finishes calling the play...

    Giants don't get penalized in the trenches.... that's the mistake that plagued them for years that they erased last year... and this year it's non-existant....

    championship caliber teams don't false-start, and don't jump offsides.... that will be the difference here....

    and the last time THE GIANTS traveled to Arizona they beat the Patriots in the Superbowl.... Eli played pretty well in that stadium then... I dont' see a difference now...

    I see a typical 300-yard day from Warner... but I believe the old Warner will show up and commit turnovers....

    don't forget, the reason the Giants let him go was because he holds onto the ball too long... Giants will cause pressure in the trenches, I would be suprised if they come out of the desert without covering 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easypics:

    "Scoring Not Regularly" ? Zona is undefeated at home and did score 30 pts on a tough Dallas D ,thus averaging 35 pts per game. Man to man ,NO DOUBT G-men are the better team.Though Whatever K.Warner does on the road vs. Jets  or any other is irrelevent as was Eli tossing a bone in Clev. This Line is not indicative of "Cards looking weak".For the first time in 33 years Cards can clinch a playoff spot with win , SF loss to Dallas and DeadHawks loss to Deadskinz.Kid yourself not ,Cards,Titans and G-Men are part of most improved from 07.This game has championship playoff fever match written all over as these teams could easily meet again in the Meadowlands come January with Giants taking it providing Eli is healthy.(with That O'line reckon' he will be) Love to see my G-men win but sense Zona is less banged up,more pumped n' reved up facing a weary team dealing with back to back bruisin' matches and left coast travel.Could be a shootout with Cards remaining undefeated at home. GL

    I agree with most of your points except the Dallas strong defense lol....

    whats the difference between Arizona and a championship team? anybody anybody???? DISCIPLINE... that's right, the Cardinals do not play with Discipline, and that will be the difference in the game.... One of the reasons why Kurt Warner passes for so many years, besides the fact they throw 80% of the time... is because they're offense ALWAYS FALSE STARTS.... their Defense ALWAYS JUMPS OFFSIDES.... every game... you can't argue that.... Kurt Warner finds himself 1st and 20 all the time... well against a good team they can't afford that.... sure maybe against the SF 49ers, who really should have won that MNF game, they can get away with it.... but this is the best team in the NFL.... when they false start and lose that yardage, Kurt Warner is going to drop back and get HURT.... Did you see Eli Hard-count the Baltimore Defense last week? imagine that defense this week.... they'll be jumping offsides to compete with that O-line before ELI finishes calling the play...

    Giants don't get penalized in the trenches.... that's the mistake that plagued them for years that they erased last year... and this year it's non-existant....

    championship caliber teams don't false-start, and don't jump offsides.... that will be the difference here....

    and the last time THE GIANTS traveled to Arizona they beat the Patriots in the Superbowl.... Eli played pretty well in that stadium then... I dont' see a difference now...

    I see a typical 300-yard day from Warner... but I believe the old Warner will show up and commit turnovers....

    don't forget, the reason the Giants let him go was because he holds onto the ball too long... Giants will cause pressure in the trenches, I would be suprised if they come out of the desert without covering 3.

     
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    Warner passes for so many YARDS
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    Warner passes for so many YARDS
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakaBookie:

    I agree with most of your points except the Dallas strong defense lol....

    whats the difference between Arizona and a championship team? anybody anybody???? DISCIPLINE... that's right, the Cardinals do not play with Discipline, and that will be the difference in the game.... One of the reasons why Kurt Warner passes for so many years, besides the fact they throw 80% of the time... is because they're offense ALWAYS FALSE STARTS.... their Defense ALWAYS JUMPS OFFSIDES.... every game... you can't argue that.... Kurt Warner finds himself 1st and 20 all the time... well against a good team they can't afford that.... sure maybe against the SF 49ers, who really should have won that MNF game, they can get away with it.... but this is the best team in the NFL.... when they false start and lose that yardage, Kurt Warner is going to drop back and get HURT.... Did you see Eli Hard-count the Baltimore Defense last week? imagine that defense this week.... they'll be jumping offsides to compete with that O-line before ELI finishes calling the play...

    Giants don't get penalized in the trenches.... that's the mistake that plagued them for years that they erased last year... and this year it's non-existant....

    championship caliber teams don't false-start, and don't jump offsides.... that will be the difference here....

    and the last time THE GIANTS traveled to Arizona they beat the Patriots in the Superbowl.... Eli played pretty well in that stadium then... I dont' see a difference now...

    I see a typical 300-yard day from Warner... but I believe the old Warner will show up and commit turnovers....

    don't forget, the reason the Giants let him go was because he holds onto the ball too long... Giants will cause pressure in the trenches, I would be suprised if they come out of the desert without covering 3.

    It's all good except this aint the super bowl , I was there with too many patriot fans.Tables turnin' now ,12 th man and all ,This will have home playoff  frenzy atmosphere with possible clinch at hand n' Been a long time coming for Zona .Warner perhaps like Pennington and others could'nt handle NYC expectations. Zona has given him new life where he's been dominating at home. Without a doubt ,Cards are more likely to commit bonehead off side penalty  putting them out of field goal range as Time ticks down.  Regardless,will be a great game IF Giants show up. GL
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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakaBookie:

    I agree with most of your points except the Dallas strong defense lol....

    whats the difference between Arizona and a championship team? anybody anybody???? DISCIPLINE... that's right, the Cardinals do not play with Discipline, and that will be the difference in the game.... One of the reasons why Kurt Warner passes for so many years, besides the fact they throw 80% of the time... is because they're offense ALWAYS FALSE STARTS.... their Defense ALWAYS JUMPS OFFSIDES.... every game... you can't argue that.... Kurt Warner finds himself 1st and 20 all the time... well against a good team they can't afford that.... sure maybe against the SF 49ers, who really should have won that MNF game, they can get away with it.... but this is the best team in the NFL.... when they false start and lose that yardage, Kurt Warner is going to drop back and get HURT.... Did you see Eli Hard-count the Baltimore Defense last week? imagine that defense this week.... they'll be jumping offsides to compete with that O-line before ELI finishes calling the play...

    Giants don't get penalized in the trenches.... that's the mistake that plagued them for years that they erased last year... and this year it's non-existant....

    championship caliber teams don't false-start, and don't jump offsides.... that will be the difference here....

    and the last time THE GIANTS traveled to Arizona they beat the Patriots in the Superbowl.... Eli played pretty well in that stadium then... I dont' see a difference now...

    I see a typical 300-yard day from Warner... but I believe the old Warner will show up and commit turnovers....

    don't forget, the reason the Giants let him go was because he holds onto the ball too long... Giants will cause pressure in the trenches, I would be suprised if they come out of the desert without covering 3.

    It's all good except this aint the super bowl , I was there with too many patriot fans.Tables turnin' now ,12 th man and all ,This will have home playoff  frenzy atmosphere with possible clinch at hand n' Been a long time coming for Zona .Warner perhaps like Pennington and others could'nt handle NYC expectations. Zona has given him new life where he's been dominating at home. Without a doubt ,Cards are more likely to commit bonehead off side penalty  putting them out of field goal range as Time ticks down.  Regardless,will be a great game IF Giants show up. GL
     
     
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    woow alot of people are going with giants
     
    does anyne have the website where it shows what the majority of the public is doing?
     
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    woow alot of people are going with giants
     
    does anyne have the website where it shows what the majority of the public is doing?
     
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