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    New England at Miami (11/23/2008)

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    Mr_Covers
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2008 - 3:04 AM ET #1

    Away:  New England [5-5 ATS]
    Home:  Miami [5-5 ATS]

    Game Time: 1:00 PM
    Stadium: Dolphins Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
    09/21/08 - MIA 38 vs. NE 13

    Team Leaders:

    New England:
    Passing: Matt Cassel (2200)
    Rushing: Sammy Morris (321)
    Receiving: Wes Welker (718)

    Miami:
    Passing: Chad Pennington (2374)
    Rushing: Ronnie Brown (605)
    Receiving: Greg Camarillo (538)

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    Away:  New England [5-5 ATS]
    Home:  Miami [5-5 ATS]

    Game Time: 1:00 PM
    Stadium: Dolphins Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
    09/21/08 - MIA 38 vs. NE 13

    Team Leaders:

    New England:
    Passing: Matt Cassel (2200)
    Rushing: Sammy Morris (321)
    Receiving: Wes Welker (718)

    Miami:
    Passing: Chad Pennington (2374)
    Rushing: Ronnie Brown (605)
    Receiving: Greg Camarillo (538)

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    riceboidavid
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2008 - 1:25 AM ET #2

    Patriots were surprised and caught off guard the first time around, very important game for both, I like the patriots + under
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    Patriots were surprised and caught off guard the first time around, very important game for both, I like the patriots + under
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2008 - 4:17 PM ET #3

    Patriots were my pick of the week before the lines even came out.
    1. It's been over 2 years since NE has lost back to back games.
    2. 3 extra days to prepare.
    3. Revenge game.
    4. MIA won last time so novice betters are on them, being the fav.
    5. Gimmicky Wildcat plays aren't going to work as good vs. a Belicheck coached D.

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    Patriots were my pick of the week before the lines even came out.
    1. It's been over 2 years since NE has lost back to back games.
    2. 3 extra days to prepare.
    3. Revenge game.
    4. MIA won last time so novice betters are on them, being the fav.
    5. Gimmicky Wildcat plays aren't going to work as good vs. a Belicheck coached D.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2008 - 9:21 PM ET #4

    Miami - 21                            New England - 17
    Dolphins -1                under 42
    The Jets drove the first nail in the Patriots coffin.
    Miami drives in the second nail.
    Yes there was a time when this would be a guaranteed win for the Pats, not anymore.
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    Miami - 21                            New England - 17
    Dolphins -1                under 42
    The Jets drove the first nail in the Patriots coffin.
    Miami drives in the second nail.
    Yes there was a time when this would be a guaranteed win for the Pats, not anymore.
     
    lender959
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2008 - 10:29 PM ET #5

    Pats and under
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    Pats and under
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 1:55 PM ET #6

    Damn! I'll be on vacation and this game might actually be on t.v. and it's very rare that my Dolphins were shown on t.v. this season
     
    It was already stated by a couple members already that the Pats have never lost back to back games in ages and this is a big game for both teams.
     
    I stated on the Raider/Dolphin thread that the Dolphins suck on special teams coverage and they showed it once again in the Raider game by allowing a 90 plus yard punt return for a td.
    I see the Pats exploiting it again in this game.
     
    On the plus side for my Dolphins the Pats defense are more banged up from the first meeeting and should be able to run but not " surprise " the Pats with some new wrinkles in the wildcat formation. Pennington has shown poise when the Dolphins are trailing but if my Dolphins cannot stop the Pats his poise will mean nothing.
     
    Tough rival game which has a lot riding on it but no matter the outcome win or lose I'm still proud of how far my Dolphins have come from a 1-15 a season ago.
     
    GO DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Damn! I'll be on vacation and this game might actually be on t.v. and it's very rare that my Dolphins were shown on t.v. this season
     
    It was already stated by a couple members already that the Pats have never lost back to back games in ages and this is a big game for both teams.
     
    I stated on the Raider/Dolphin thread that the Dolphins suck on special teams coverage and they showed it once again in the Raider game by allowing a 90 plus yard punt return for a td.
    I see the Pats exploiting it again in this game.
     
    On the plus side for my Dolphins the Pats defense are more banged up from the first meeeting and should be able to run but not " surprise " the Pats with some new wrinkles in the wildcat formation. Pennington has shown poise when the Dolphins are trailing but if my Dolphins cannot stop the Pats his poise will mean nothing.
     
    Tough rival game which has a lot riding on it but no matter the outcome win or lose I'm still proud of how far my Dolphins have come from a 1-15 a season ago.
     
    GO DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 2:11 PM ET #7

    Patriots ML.  They won't get fooled a second time.
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    Patriots ML.  They won't get fooled a second time.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 5:23 PM ET #8

    Fins Capable of winning out as of Nov. 30 till then,NO WAY they beat New England twice .
     NEW ENGLAND 20 MIAMI 16GL
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    Fins Capable of winning out as of Nov. 30 till then,NO WAY they beat New England twice .
     NEW ENGLAND 20 MIAMI 16GL
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 6:24 PM ET #9

    Cassel's a lot better than he was - - This game is a gimme - Even though I don't like the Pats - they gotta win this one.....
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    Cassel's a lot better than he was - - This game is a gimme - Even though I don't like the Pats - they gotta win this one.....
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 6:57 PM ET #10

    Nov 23, Sun, was circled on Patriots calender the day after the embarassing loss at home to the Fins.
     
    This is payback time for Belichick.. more importantly, its crucial division game in a suprisingly tight AFC East.
     
    Miami should keep things close, but i see New England pulling this one off at the end.
     
    I'll take the 2 points.
     
    NE Pats +2
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    Nov 23, Sun, was circled on Patriots calender the day after the embarassing loss at home to the Fins.
     
    This is payback time for Belichick.. more importantly, its crucial division game in a suprisingly tight AFC East.
     
    Miami should keep things close, but i see New England pulling this one off at the end.
     
    I'll take the 2 points.
     
    NE Pats +2
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 12:52 AM ET #11

    I'm a HUGE DOLPHINS FAN
    I think they will roll this week.
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    I'm a HUGE DOLPHINS FAN
    I think they will roll this week.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 1:25 AM ET #12

    PATS  GET IT NOW

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    PATS  GET IT NOW

     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 6:05 PM ET #13

    The more I see that the Dolphins have no shot this week, the more I like em!! Good luck guys 

    GO FINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    The more I see that the Dolphins have no shot this week, the more I like em!! Good luck guys 

    GO FINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 6:16 PM ET #14

    I love the Pats in this spot, but the public is all over NE now. 70%. Something's fishy with this line. Very similar to the Bills/Miami game back in October. Everyone was on the Bills +1 and Miami got the win. I'm staying off the side on this one. May play the under.
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    I love the Pats in this spot, but the public is all over NE now. 70%. Something's fishy with this line. Very similar to the Bills/Miami game back in October. Everyone was on the Bills +1 and Miami got the win. I'm staying off the side on this one. May play the under.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 6:42 PM ET #15

    Big time TRAP...Dolphins get out the broom here...
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    Big time TRAP...Dolphins get out the broom here...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 7:18 PM ET #16

    this is an easy pick here.. new england because miami almost lost 2 weeks in a row to a team that is under .500 (oakland and seattle.)
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    this is an easy pick here.. new england because miami almost lost 2 weeks in a row to a team that is under .500 (oakland and seattle.)
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2008 - 12:23 AM ET #17

    OVER ROVER
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    OVER ROVER
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2008 - 12:59 AM ET #18

    over
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2008 - 2:07 AM ET #19

    I just want to preface this remark by saying, I am a HUGE dolphins fan. But this is by far the most over-rated 6-4 team in the entire NFL. Chad Pennington (aka Noodle Arm) throws 5-6 yd outs every pass play. The defense is weak. The only thing they have going for them is RB and RW (ronnie brown and ricky williams). I dont think they are fooling Bellicik twice. The Patriots are pissed. The Dolphins are not winning their FOURTH straight game. No way in hell. I'm not even sure how the hell they are favored? They almost lost back to back weeks against the awful seahawks and pitiful raiders. This game will be a blow out unfortunately. Cassel will eat up the Miami Secondary.

    The only thing that scares me is Joe Public. :( But I don't see Vegas being able to fix this game because Miami is simply over-rated and the Patriots are mad as hell.
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    I just want to preface this remark by saying, I am a HUGE dolphins fan. But this is by far the most over-rated 6-4 team in the entire NFL. Chad Pennington (aka Noodle Arm) throws 5-6 yd outs every pass play. The defense is weak. The only thing they have going for them is RB and RW (ronnie brown and ricky williams). I dont think they are fooling Bellicik twice. The Patriots are pissed. The Dolphins are not winning their FOURTH straight game. No way in hell. I'm not even sure how the hell they are favored? They almost lost back to back weeks against the awful seahawks and pitiful raiders. This game will be a blow out unfortunately. Cassel will eat up the Miami Secondary.

    The only thing that scares me is Joe Public. :( But I don't see Vegas being able to fix this game because Miami is simply over-rated and the Patriots are mad as hell.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2008 - 11:45 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by aie:

    this is an easy pick here.. new england because miami almost lost 2 weeks in a row to a team that is under .500 (oakland and seattle.)
    Is this how you cap a game?? With you logic, the Giants should have been smoked by the Steelers 2 weeks after losing to the Browns on primetime. Get real!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aie:

    this is an easy pick here.. new england because miami almost lost 2 weeks in a row to a team that is under .500 (oakland and seattle.)
    Is this how you cap a game?? With you logic, the Giants should have been smoked by the Steelers 2 weeks after losing to the Browns on primetime. Get real!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2008 - 12:04 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by scsiegel89:

    I just want to preface this remark by saying, I am a HUGE dolphins fan. But this is by far the most over-rated 6-4 team in the entire NFL. Chad Pennington (aka Noodle Arm) throws 5-6 yd outs every pass play. The defense is weak. The only thing they have going for them is RB and RW (ronnie brown and ricky williams). I dont think they are fooling Bellicik twice. The Patriots are pissed. The Dolphins are not winning their FOURTH straight game. No way in hell. I'm not even sure how the hell they are favored? They almost lost back to back weeks against the awful seahawks and pitiful raiders. This game will be a blow out unfortunately. Cassel will eat up the Miami Secondary.

    The only thing that scares me is Joe Public. :( But I don't see Vegas being able to fix this game because Miami is simply over-rated and the Patriots are mad as hell.

    You sir, could not possibly be a HUGE Dolphins fan like you say. Chad Pennington has done exactly what he has needed to do to help this team win games. Have you watched this defense play lately?? They are lights out. Not only are they getting pressure on the QB with Porter, but also from the other side with Matt Roth and Vonnie Holliday. That pressure has been creating lots of turnovers  this year and we should see a couple more this weekend. The only part of this Dolphin team that scares me is the Special Teams. They give up way too many big plays week in and week out. Nobody thinks the Dolphins are going to fool the Pats again. I don't think they'll try to. They're gonna line up man to man and be physical with them. This is going to be a great game to watch. I'm not saying that the Dolphins will win, but I think its going to be closer than you do. Oh by the way, My Fins are going for win # 5 in a row, not 4.

    What do ya say BigDaddy!

    GO FINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scsiegel89:

    I just want to preface this remark by saying, I am a HUGE dolphins fan. But this is by far the most over-rated 6-4 team in the entire NFL. Chad Pennington (aka Noodle Arm) throws 5-6 yd outs every pass play. The defense is weak. The only thing they have going for them is RB and RW (ronnie brown and ricky williams). I dont think they are fooling Bellicik twice. The Patriots are pissed. The Dolphins are not winning their FOURTH straight game. No way in hell. I'm not even sure how the hell they are favored? They almost lost back to back weeks against the awful seahawks and pitiful raiders. This game will be a blow out unfortunately. Cassel will eat up the Miami Secondary.

    The only thing that scares me is Joe Public. :( But I don't see Vegas being able to fix this game because Miami is simply over-rated and the Patriots are mad as hell.

    You sir, could not possibly be a HUGE Dolphins fan like you say. Chad Pennington has done exactly what he has needed to do to help this team win games. Have you watched this defense play lately?? They are lights out. Not only are they getting pressure on the QB with Porter, but also from the other side with Matt Roth and Vonnie Holliday. That pressure has been creating lots of turnovers  this year and we should see a couple more this weekend. The only part of this Dolphin team that scares me is the Special Teams. They give up way too many big plays week in and week out. Nobody thinks the Dolphins are going to fool the Pats again. I don't think they'll try to. They're gonna line up man to man and be physical with them. This is going to be a great game to watch. I'm not saying that the Dolphins will win, but I think its going to be closer than you do. Oh by the way, My Fins are going for win # 5 in a row, not 4.

    What do ya say BigDaddy!

    GO FINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Love_This:

    You sir, could not possibly be a HUGE Dolphins fan like you say. Chad Pennington has done exactly what he has needed to do to help this team win games. Have you watched this defense play lately?? They are lights out. Not only are they getting pressure on the QB with Porter, but also from the other side with Matt Roth and Vonnie Holliday. That pressure has been creating lots of turnovers  this year and we should see a couple more this weekend. The only part of this Dolphin team that scares me is the Special Teams. They give up way too many big plays week in and week out. Nobody thinks the Dolphins are going to fool the Pats again. I don't think they'll try to. They're gonna line up man to man and be physical with them. This is going to be a great game to watch. I'm not saying that the Dolphins will win, but I think its going to be closer than you do. Oh by the way, My Fins are going for win # 5 in a row, not 4.

    What do ya say BigDaddy!

    GO FINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




    Yeah, Pennington has done exactly what he needs to do as a QB - which is stay out of the way every other play while they run that stupid "Wildcat" offense!!!! - HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Belichick ain't falling for this horsecrap - Patriots win big
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Love_This:

    You sir, could not possibly be a HUGE Dolphins fan like you say. Chad Pennington has done exactly what he has needed to do to help this team win games. Have you watched this defense play lately?? They are lights out. Not only are they getting pressure on the QB with Porter, but also from the other side with Matt Roth and Vonnie Holliday. That pressure has been creating lots of turnovers  this year and we should see a couple more this weekend. The only part of this Dolphin team that scares me is the Special Teams. They give up way too many big plays week in and week out. Nobody thinks the Dolphins are going to fool the Pats again. I don't think they'll try to. They're gonna line up man to man and be physical with them. This is going to be a great game to watch. I'm not saying that the Dolphins will win, but I think its going to be closer than you do. Oh by the way, My Fins are going for win # 5 in a row, not 4.

    What do ya say BigDaddy!

    GO FINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




    Yeah, Pennington has done exactly what he needs to do as a QB - which is stay out of the way every other play while they run that stupid "Wildcat" offense!!!! - HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Belichick ain't falling for this horsecrap - Patriots win big
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2008 - 9:35 PM ET #23

    PATS 24
    FINS 17
    MIA 6-20-2 ATS VS AFC EAST
     
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    PATS 24
    FINS 17
    MIA 6-20-2 ATS VS AFC EAST
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2008 - 5:59 AM ET #24

    Wow.  Who would have ever thought the Dolphins would be the "favorite" against the Patriots??  This is a gift.
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    Wow.  Who would have ever thought the Dolphins would be the "favorite" against the Patriots??  This is a gift.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2008 - 1:19 PM ET #25

    [Quote: Originally Posted by sirmartingale] Patriots were my pick of the week before the lines even came out.
    1. It's been over 2 years since NE has lost back to back games.
    2. 3 extra days to prepare.
    3. Revenge game.
    4. MIA won last time so novice betters are on them, being the fav.
    5. Gimmicky Wildcat plays aren't going to work as good vs. a Belicheck coached D.

    I think you make a good point with points 2-5.  However, in the past two years that New England hasn't lost back to back games......wasn't Tom Brady playing QB then?  This isn't the same NE team now and I know it's a big game for both teams but I think if NE gets down early in this game their offense might not be able to get them back in it.  I expect to see a lot of Joey Porter all over Cassel all afternoon and Miami hasn't allowed a team to score over 20 points in their 4 game winning streak.  I'll take Miami at home!  GL
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by sirmartingale] Patriots were my pick of the week before the lines even came out.
    1. It's been over 2 years since NE has lost back to back games.
    2. 3 extra days to prepare.
    3. Revenge game.
    4. MIA won last time so novice betters are on them, being the fav.
    5. Gimmicky Wildcat plays aren't going to work as good vs. a Belicheck coached D.

    I think you make a good point with points 2-5.  However, in the past two years that New England hasn't lost back to back games......wasn't Tom Brady playing QB then?  This isn't the same NE team now and I know it's a big game for both teams but I think if NE gets down early in this game their offense might not be able to get them back in it.  I expect to see a lot of Joey Porter all over Cassel all afternoon and Miami hasn't allowed a team to score over 20 points in their 4 game winning streak.  I'll take Miami at home!  GL
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