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    Carolina at New York (12/21/2008)

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    Mr_Covers
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 12:45 AM ET #1

    Away:  Carolina [8-5-1 ATS]
    Home:  N.Y. Giants [10-4 ATS]

    Game Time: 8:15 PM
    Stadium: Giants Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    Carolina:
    Passing: Jake Delhomme (2849)
    Rushing: DeAngelo Williams (1229)
    Receiving: Steve Smith (1240)

    N.Y. Giants:
    Passing: Eli Manning (2938)
    Rushing: Brandon Jacobs (1002)
    Receiving: Amani Toomer (537)

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    Away:  Carolina [8-5-1 ATS]
    Home:  N.Y. Giants [10-4 ATS]

    Game Time: 8:15 PM
    Stadium: Giants Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
    N/A

    Team Leaders:

    Carolina:
    Passing: Jake Delhomme (2849)
    Rushing: DeAngelo Williams (1229)
    Receiving: Steve Smith (1240)

    N.Y. Giants:
    Passing: Eli Manning (2938)
    Rushing: Brandon Jacobs (1002)
    Receiving: Amani Toomer (537)

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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 5:35 AM ET #2

    I don't care how good Carolina is supposed to be.  I kinda doubt Ny is going to lose 3 in a row.  I'm thinking NY in a barnburner -3.  I would jump on this now before it moves to -3.5 or  higher.  I'm waiting for Spyweb's insight.  He's the only person I respect on here when it comes to the Giants.  Matt 6 too
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    I don't care how good Carolina is supposed to be.  I kinda doubt Ny is going to lose 3 in a row.  I'm thinking NY in a barnburner -3.  I would jump on this now before it moves to -3.5 or  higher.  I'm waiting for Spyweb's insight.  He's the only person I respect on here when it comes to the Giants.  Matt 6 too
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 9:28 AM ET #3

    spytheweb-  HOW 'BOUT THEM COWBOYS hahahahahahaha!!!!!!


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    spytheweb-  HOW 'BOUT THEM COWBOYS hahahahahahaha!!!!!!


     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 9:33 AM ET #4

    Time for the Giants to make a Statement right now ..Go Giants!
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    Time for the Giants to make a Statement right now ..Go Giants!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 10:41 AM ET #5

    being a huge giants fan i thik this may be a tuff game and it def  hasalot at stake for the future of the gmen... im thinking if jcobs doesnt play id have to go with carolina +3   if he does play id take the over at 39   its a very tuff pick...   what you guys think
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    being a huge giants fan i thik this may be a tuff game and it def  hasalot at stake for the future of the gmen... im thinking if jcobs doesnt play id have to go with carolina +3   if he does play id take the over at 39   its a very tuff pick...   what you guys think
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 12:50 PM ET #6

    i can see the giants losing their 3rd straight here.  i'm going to keep riding the panthers - great all around team.  jacobs should be back for the giants.
     
    ~panthers +3~
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    i can see the giants losing their 3rd straight here.  i'm going to keep riding the panthers - great all around team.  jacobs should be back for the giants.
     
    ~panthers +3~
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 1:55 PM ET #7

    The last couple games were meaningless to the Giants.  This is the game they have circled on their calenders.  They know what's at stake and they don't want to travel to Carolina's place where the Panthers are 8-0 mid jan.  Giants by 10.
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    The last couple games were meaningless to the Giants.  This is the game they have circled on their calenders.  They know what's at stake and they don't want to travel to Carolina's place where the Panthers are 8-0 mid jan.  Giants by 10.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 6:24 PM ET #8

    Giants lucky this one at home!!!
    They should win this.
    Giants 23-20

    Oh and Giants fans........

      How bout them Cowboys  
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    Giants lucky this one at home!!!
    They should win this.
    Giants 23-20

    Oh and Giants fans........

      How bout them Cowboys  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 9:31 PM ET #9

    Not a Giants fan by any means, but they are 2 games UP on the cowgirls!! Carolina rolls here, Giants back to their usual 2nd half collapse!! And for what it's worth, Baltimore routs the Cowgirls!! Romo won't make it through this game
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    Not a Giants fan by any means, but they are 2 games UP on the cowgirls!! Carolina rolls here, Giants back to their usual 2nd half collapse!! And for what it's worth, Baltimore routs the Cowgirls!! Romo won't make it through this game
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2008 - 3:26 AM ET #10

    This is that one line every week that looks too good to be true, meaning it is, so take the other team. The squares will jumping in head over heels on the Giants minus only 3. CAR bettors should be happy to be receiving a full FG here, the only reason they are is because the books know the NY teams have such a huge fan base that a lot of square $$ gets put on them, against any other team of the Giants caliber this spread would be CAR +2.5 to +1.5. Also, some books have it NYG -3 (-120). They love to take in the extra vig  on public favorites without having to give away more than a FG.

    People think that missing Burress doesn't matter, but it does. They have won without him, but they don't have any other WRs to cause matchup problems, and the Carolina D is very good.  The running game will not be as good as usual with Jacobs hurting if he even plays.

    Then the real reason to bet on the Panthers.... did you see the Giants line get abused by Dallas?? 7 sacks!!! And CAR has Peppers who has rebounded this year, so so expect a few more sacks.

    CAR +3
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    This is that one line every week that looks too good to be true, meaning it is, so take the other team. The squares will jumping in head over heels on the Giants minus only 3. CAR bettors should be happy to be receiving a full FG here, the only reason they are is because the books know the NY teams have such a huge fan base that a lot of square $$ gets put on them, against any other team of the Giants caliber this spread would be CAR +2.5 to +1.5. Also, some books have it NYG -3 (-120). They love to take in the extra vig  on public favorites without having to give away more than a FG.

    People think that missing Burress doesn't matter, but it does. They have won without him, but they don't have any other WRs to cause matchup problems, and the Carolina D is very good.  The running game will not be as good as usual with Jacobs hurting if he even plays.

    Then the real reason to bet on the Panthers.... did you see the Giants line get abused by Dallas?? 7 sacks!!! And CAR has Peppers who has rebounded this year, so so expect a few more sacks.

    CAR +3
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2008 - 3:36 PM ET #11

    I'm not laying the 3.... I think the Giants win outright... I'm taking the Moneyline...
     
    Giants at home..... in the meadowlands... with swirling winds.... that means Delhomme can't chuck the ball to Steve Smith like he does at home in warm Carolina.... Giants D-line is very good and will not give Delhomme time to complete long passes.... they are going to have to dink and dunk to win... so I expect to see some wideout screens similiar to last week....
     
    I think they can contain Williams and Stewart.... if not for that one big run last week, Williams was held to under 50 yards....
     
    JACOBS being back is HUGE for the GMEN..... he is the heart and soul of their run game and has been since the tiki departure.... bradshaw and ward are not starters.... they are wind and fire and play well when complimenting Jacobs.... he is going to be ready to play and will set the tone of the game early..... he is much more of an X-Factor than Burress....
     
    Carolina is decent on the road at best... 3-3.... they got slaughtered by TB.... almost lost to oakland.... lost to ATL (good team).... lost in MINN (good team).... got lucky in San Diego... (i don't care what anyone says that was dumb luck that ball wasn't tipped).... and had to use Steve Smith heroics in GB.... I'm just not impressed with Carolina on the road...... if this were in Carolina, I would be singing a different tune....
     
    what impresses me about this Carolina team is their O-line....they are great.... they were throwing around TB 2 weeks ago......
     
    Dallas sacked Eli that many times because they had that backup- BOOTHE in... and Ware destroyed him........ that won't be happening again.... I'm sure they will be curing that this week.... oh and this isn't in Dallas.... its in the meadowlands......
     
    I like the GMEN in a close game.......
     
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    I'm not laying the 3.... I think the Giants win outright... I'm taking the Moneyline...
     
    Giants at home..... in the meadowlands... with swirling winds.... that means Delhomme can't chuck the ball to Steve Smith like he does at home in warm Carolina.... Giants D-line is very good and will not give Delhomme time to complete long passes.... they are going to have to dink and dunk to win... so I expect to see some wideout screens similiar to last week....
     
    I think they can contain Williams and Stewart.... if not for that one big run last week, Williams was held to under 50 yards....
     
    JACOBS being back is HUGE for the GMEN..... he is the heart and soul of their run game and has been since the tiki departure.... bradshaw and ward are not starters.... they are wind and fire and play well when complimenting Jacobs.... he is going to be ready to play and will set the tone of the game early..... he is much more of an X-Factor than Burress....
     
    Carolina is decent on the road at best... 3-3.... they got slaughtered by TB.... almost lost to oakland.... lost to ATL (good team).... lost in MINN (good team).... got lucky in San Diego... (i don't care what anyone says that was dumb luck that ball wasn't tipped).... and had to use Steve Smith heroics in GB.... I'm just not impressed with Carolina on the road...... if this were in Carolina, I would be singing a different tune....
     
    what impresses me about this Carolina team is their O-line....they are great.... they were throwing around TB 2 weeks ago......
     
    Dallas sacked Eli that many times because they had that backup- BOOTHE in... and Ware destroyed him........ that won't be happening again.... I'm sure they will be curing that this week.... oh and this isn't in Dallas.... its in the meadowlands......
     
    I like the GMEN in a close game.......
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2008 - 9:33 PM ET #12

    sirmartingale, i always thought when its two evenly matched teams the home team almost always lays 3 . i like the giants here if they can run against baltimore they can run on anybody
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    sirmartingale, i always thought when its two evenly matched teams the home team almost always lays 3 . i like the giants here if they can run against baltimore they can run on anybody
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2008 - 11:35 PM ET #13

    Thats if they are totally evenly matched and have similar fan bases... only the NY teams and Cowboys are exceptions to the rule for NFL games... they wanna get 50% of the money on each side and if the spread was less than 3 people would really be pounding the Giants... 3 means there could be a push
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    Thats if they are totally evenly matched and have similar fan bases... only the NY teams and Cowboys are exceptions to the rule for NFL games... they wanna get 50% of the money on each side and if the spread was less than 3 people would really be pounding the Giants... 3 means there could be a push
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 7:59 AM ET #14

    somethin to think about .    Brandon Jacobs will be back.
     
     
    JOE HORN signed as an extra WR for this game.  Giants pullin out all the stops. 
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    somethin to think about .    Brandon Jacobs will be back.
     
     
    JOE HORN signed as an extra WR for this game.  Giants pullin out all the stops. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 9:04 AM ET #15

    Giants aside, the panthers are down right bad road team this year, wins at Oakland, San Diego, & Green Bay aren't all that impressive, (combined record of 14-28) lost at TB, ATL, & MIN by an average of 17 points per game.  They score 20 ppg on the road, 30 ppg at home.  The Giants haven't played well the last couple weeks because they are guilty of looking ahead TO THIS GAME.  I'm an Eagles fan but I think the Giants roll big here.
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    Giants aside, the panthers are down right bad road team this year, wins at Oakland, San Diego, & Green Bay aren't all that impressive, (combined record of 14-28) lost at TB, ATL, & MIN by an average of 17 points per game.  They score 20 ppg on the road, 30 ppg at home.  The Giants haven't played well the last couple weeks because they are guilty of looking ahead TO THIS GAME.  I'm an Eagles fan but I think the Giants roll big here.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 10:05 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by dddevin69:

    somethin to think about .    Brandon Jacobs will be back.
     
     
    JOE HORN signed as an extra WR for this game.  Giants pullin out all the stops. 

    HAHA I saw last night on ESPN that they ended up not getting him....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dddevin69:

    somethin to think about .    Brandon Jacobs will be back.
     
     
    JOE HORN signed as an extra WR for this game.  Giants pullin out all the stops. 

    HAHA I saw last night on ESPN that they ended up not getting him....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 12:57 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry-Lilly:

    spytheweb-  HOW 'BOUT THEM COWBOYS hahahahahahaha!!!!!!




    Dallas beat NY twice last year, where did it get them? NY has bigger fish to fry, like playing for the #1 seed.
    Good teams win games, Great teams cover the spread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry-Lilly:

    spytheweb-  HOW 'BOUT THEM COWBOYS hahahahahahaha!!!!!!




    Dallas beat NY twice last year, where did it get them? NY has bigger fish to fry, like playing for the #1 seed.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 1:18 PM ET #18

    Should be a good game. Panthers are 3-3 on the road. Weather

    CAR PANTHERS
    NY GIANTS
    Sun 8:15 p.m. ET
    MOSTLY CLOUDY, 40% CHANCE SNOWSHOWERS.  SOUTHWEST WIND 20-30,    GUSTY  33

    This was Panthers QB stats at Oakland
    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    J. Delhomme 7/27 72 1 4
     Won't be much passing in windy Giant Stadium. Giants need this game for 1 seed and bye. This game will go under. I think Giants kicking game makes the difference.

    Good teams win games, Great teams cover the spread!
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    Should be a good game. Panthers are 3-3 on the road. Weather

    CAR PANTHERS
    NY GIANTS
    Sun 8:15 p.m. ET
    MOSTLY CLOUDY, 40% CHANCE SNOWSHOWERS.  SOUTHWEST WIND 20-30,    GUSTY  33

    This was Panthers QB stats at Oakland
    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    J. Delhomme 7/27 72 1 4
     Won't be much passing in windy Giant Stadium. Giants need this game for 1 seed and bye. This game will go under. I think Giants kicking game makes the difference.

     
    Radiators
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 11:45 PM ET #19

    if that weather is true I am going under with the swirling winds, and snow showers.
    Cold rain and snow would be good
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    if that weather is true I am going under with the swirling winds, and snow showers.
    Cold rain and snow would be good
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 9:21 AM ET #20

    Gaints are the Play here don't see them loosing 3 in a row they'll get it together for this one I see Gaints winning by DOUBLE DIGITS :)

    Gaints - 3

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    Gaints are the Play here don't see them loosing 3 in a row they'll get it together for this one I see Gaints winning by DOUBLE DIGITS :)

    Gaints - 3

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 3:48 PM ET #21

    Everyone this game is a trap - this game could go either way. Take the money you are going to foolishly bet on this game & put it on the Cowboys, or even the Dolphins - that is all I have to say.......
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    Everyone this game is a trap - this game could go either way. Take the money you are going to foolishly bet on this game & put it on the Cowboys, or even the Dolphins - that is all I have to say.......
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 4:49 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Spytheweb:



    Dallas beat NY twice last year, where did it get them? NY has bigger fish to fry, like playing for the #1 seed.

    That's it?  That's all you got?  You are weak.  The giants are fading and they are the fish that is getting fried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spytheweb:



    Dallas beat NY twice last year, where did it get them? NY has bigger fish to fry, like playing for the #1 seed.

    That's it?  That's all you got?  You are weak.  The giants are fading and they are the fish that is getting fried.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 11:27 PM ET #23

    Last 3  games average score:
     
    Panthers 34 to 21
     
    Giants 15 to 15
     
    I was thinking Giants ,but now I'll go with the Panthers
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    Last 3  games average score:
     
    Panthers 34 to 21
     
    Giants 15 to 15
     
    I was thinking Giants ,but now I'll go with the Panthers
     
    pro-z
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 11:42 PM ET #24

    lol thats what you go by?!? damn you got alot to learn, this giants team is different than the team that played with these scores. have fun losing your money
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    lol thats what you go by?!? damn you got alot to learn, this giants team is different than the team that played with these scores. have fun losing your money
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 11:44 PM ET #25

    quote
    Posted: 12/19/2008 3:48:57 PM
    Everyone this game is a trap - this game could go either way. Take the money you are going to foolishly bet on this game & put it on the Cowboys, or even the Dolphins - that is all I have to say.......
     
    your right i think kc wins the game
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    quote
    Posted: 12/19/2008 3:48:57 PM
    Everyone this game is a trap - this game could go either way. Take the money you are going to foolishly bet on this game & put it on the Cowboys, or even the Dolphins - that is all I have to say.......
     
    your right i think kc wins the game
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