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    Carolina at New York (12/21/2008)

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    dude1618
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 2:54 PM ET #51

    https://www.wunderground.com/sports/NFL/
     
    weather for every game
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    https://www.wunderground.com/sports/NFL/
     
    weather for every game
     
    moyhead
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 3:50 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by Unit_G:

      And you call me retarded.  Well done.  It never ceases to amaze me how many people on this site get offended when other post their own opinions.  What a bunch of losers you types are.

    And we're here to cap, not clutter the board up with this BS.  So I won't be responding to any more of this idiocy.  Though I'm sure it will be frightfully witty and compelling.
     


    obviously you didnt respond to anything i had to say about the game so you arent backing up any of your points..i read the fucking score wrong wow dude..im calling you retarded because you think the giants will concede one of the most important games of the year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unit_G:

      And you call me retarded.  Well done.  It never ceases to amaze me how many people on this site get offended when other post their own opinions.  What a bunch of losers you types are.

    And we're here to cap, not clutter the board up with this BS.  So I won't be responding to any more of this idiocy.  Though I'm sure it will be frightfully witty and compelling.
     


    obviously you didnt respond to anything i had to say about the game so you arent backing up any of your points..i read the fucking score wrong wow dude..im calling you retarded because you think the giants will concede one of the most important games of the year
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 4:08 PM ET #53

    Giants -3.5
     
     Good Luck
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    Giants -3.5
     
     Good Luck
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 4:23 PM ET #54

    they have been reporting all day from ESPN that game time whether is going to be great football whether , bad all day , good at game time.
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    they have been reporting all day from ESPN that game time whether is going to be great football whether , bad all day , good at game time.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 4:36 PM ET #55

    Giants at the half -1.5

    Aloha and good luck to all
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    Giants at the half -1.5

    Aloha and good luck to all
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 5:07 PM ET #56

    Panthers finally get their offensive line back to full health.  Only team to play in the NFL this year without a starter on Defense to have not missed a game due to injury.

    Balance attack.... Weather will be Windy in NY... Without Plaxco teams have not respected the threat of a deep passing game.  Dallas stacked the line on them and Newman shut down Hicks. Panthers want that home field advantage...

    I remember in 97 when the Panthers were suppose to play in 28 degree weather against the Packers and Favre in Frozen Tundra.  This has that same feel to it... Panthers are balanced.  Think about what it takes to win in December !!  Teams have to be able to run the ball, D's have to be able to shut down the run, and win on the road.  Panthers have the total package.  Under the radar all year.

    This line is at +4 now is this a gift... ?  This is smash mouth football, Jacob is hurt, John Fox is the old NY assistant Coach he knows this atmoshpere. 

    Panthers win out right...

      5 units tonight. Panthers +4 (buy the .5)

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    Panthers finally get their offensive line back to full health.  Only team to play in the NFL this year without a starter on Defense to have not missed a game due to injury.

    Balance attack.... Weather will be Windy in NY... Without Plaxco teams have not respected the threat of a deep passing game.  Dallas stacked the line on them and Newman shut down Hicks. Panthers want that home field advantage...

    I remember in 97 when the Panthers were suppose to play in 28 degree weather against the Packers and Favre in Frozen Tundra.  This has that same feel to it... Panthers are balanced.  Think about what it takes to win in December !!  Teams have to be able to run the ball, D's have to be able to shut down the run, and win on the road.  Panthers have the total package.  Under the radar all year.

    This line is at +4 now is this a gift... ?  This is smash mouth football, Jacob is hurt, John Fox is the old NY assistant Coach he knows this atmoshpere. 

    Panthers win out right...

      5 units tonight. Panthers +4 (buy the .5)

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 5:27 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by gypsyangler:

    Panthers finally get their offensive line back to full health.  Only team to play in the NFL this year without a starter on Defense to have not missed a game due to injury.

    Balance attack.... Weather will be Windy in NY... Without Plaxco teams have not respected the threat of a deep passing game.  Dallas stacked the line on them and Newman shut down Hicks. Panthers want that home field advantage...

    I remember in 97 when the Panthers were suppose to play in 28 degree weather against the Packers and Favre in Frozen Tundra.  This has that same feel to it... Panthers are balanced.  Think about what it takes to win in December !!  Teams have to be able to run the ball, D's have to be able to shut down the run, and win on the road.  Panthers have the total package.  Under the radar all year.

    This line is at +4 now is this a gift... ?  This is smash mouth football, Jacob is hurt, John Fox is the old NY assistant Coach he knows this atmoshpere. 

    Panthers win out right...

      5 units tonight. Panthers +4 (buy the .5)



    Panthers actually do not have their O line at full health..Keydrick Vincent (starting guard) is out for the game which makes your first statement invalid...secondly you talk about balance attack well Brandon Jacobs will start tonight and you better believe hes hungry. he will pound that Panther defense and open up the passing game for Eli Manning. Fox being the old assistant has nothing to do with the game..it doesnt matter if he knows the atmosphere hes not the one playing the game...

    Giants 38 Panthers 10
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsyangler:

    Panthers finally get their offensive line back to full health.  Only team to play in the NFL this year without a starter on Defense to have not missed a game due to injury.

    Balance attack.... Weather will be Windy in NY... Without Plaxco teams have not respected the threat of a deep passing game.  Dallas stacked the line on them and Newman shut down Hicks. Panthers want that home field advantage...

    I remember in 97 when the Panthers were suppose to play in 28 degree weather against the Packers and Favre in Frozen Tundra.  This has that same feel to it... Panthers are balanced.  Think about what it takes to win in December !!  Teams have to be able to run the ball, D's have to be able to shut down the run, and win on the road.  Panthers have the total package.  Under the radar all year.

    This line is at +4 now is this a gift... ?  This is smash mouth football, Jacob is hurt, John Fox is the old NY assistant Coach he knows this atmoshpere. 

    Panthers win out right...

      5 units tonight. Panthers +4 (buy the .5)



    Panthers actually do not have their O line at full health..Keydrick Vincent (starting guard) is out for the game which makes your first statement invalid...secondly you talk about balance attack well Brandon Jacobs will start tonight and you better believe hes hungry. he will pound that Panther defense and open up the passing game for Eli Manning. Fox being the old assistant has nothing to do with the game..it doesnt matter if he knows the atmosphere hes not the one playing the game...

    Giants 38 Panthers 10
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 5:54 PM ET #58


    Giants Team Stats - Game Averages

    Pts Yrds Pass Rush
    Off 26.7 348.5 (9th) 199.8 (18th) 148.7 (1st)
    Def 17.6 285.8 (6th) 195.4 (10th) 90.4 (4th)


    Panthers Team Stats - Game Averages

    Pts Yrds Pass Rush
    Off 25.2 341.0 (12th) 194.9 (21st) 146.1 (4th)
    Def 18.9 315.9 (10th) 204.4 (12th) 111.5 (18th)

     

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    Giants Team Stats - Game Averages

    Pts Yrds Pass Rush
    Off 26.7 348.5 (9th) 199.8 (18th) 148.7 (1st)
    Def 17.6 285.8 (6th) 195.4 (10th) 90.4 (4th)


    Panthers Team Stats - Game Averages

    Pts Yrds Pass Rush
    Off 25.2 341.0 (12th) 194.9 (21st) 146.1 (4th)
    Def 18.9 315.9 (10th) 204.4 (12th) 111.5 (18th)

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 5:54 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by moyhead:



    Panthers actually do not have their O line at full health..Keydrick Vincent (starting guard) is out for the game which makes your first statement invalid...secondly you talk about balance attack well Brandon Jacobs will start tonight and you better believe hes hungry. he will pound that Panther defense and open up the passing game for Eli Manning. Fox being the old assistant has nothing to do with the game..it doesnt matter if he knows the atmosphere hes not the one playing the game...

    Giants 38 Panthers 10
    agreed as above. giants money line 4 me. pa picks said it best. when the giants are under the gun they play there best. i believe they win outright in the meadowlands. i may even take a middle. buy up carolina plus 5 maybe and the giants money line. we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moyhead:



    Panthers actually do not have their O line at full health..Keydrick Vincent (starting guard) is out for the game which makes your first statement invalid...secondly you talk about balance attack well Brandon Jacobs will start tonight and you better believe hes hungry. he will pound that Panther defense and open up the passing game for Eli Manning. Fox being the old assistant has nothing to do with the game..it doesnt matter if he knows the atmosphere hes not the one playing the game...

    Giants 38 Panthers 10
    agreed as above. giants money line 4 me. pa picks said it best. when the giants are under the gun they play there best. i believe they win outright in the meadowlands. i may even take a middle. buy up carolina plus 5 maybe and the giants money line. we'll see.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 5:56 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by gypsyangler:


    Giants Team Stats - Game Averages

    Pts Yrds Pass Rush
    Off 26.7 348.5 (9th) 199.8 (18th) 148.7 (1st)
    Def 17.6 285.8 (6th) 195.4 (10th) 90.4 (4th)


    Panthers Team Stats - Game Averages

    Pts Yrds Pass Rush
    Off 25.2 341.0 (12th) 194.9 (21st) 146.1 (4th)
    Def 18.9 315.9 (10th) 204.4 (12th) 111.5 (18th)

     



    dude so what are you trying to say with those stats? the Giants are better in every category listed on there
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsyangler:


    Giants Team Stats - Game Averages

    Pts Yrds Pass Rush
    Off 26.7 348.5 (9th) 199.8 (18th) 148.7 (1st)
    Def 17.6 285.8 (6th) 195.4 (10th) 90.4 (4th)


    Panthers Team Stats - Game Averages

    Pts Yrds Pass Rush
    Off 25.2 341.0 (12th) 194.9 (21st) 146.1 (4th)
    Def 18.9 315.9 (10th) 204.4 (12th) 111.5 (18th)

     



    dude so what are you trying to say with those stats? the Giants are better in every category listed on there
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 5:57 PM ET #61

    For the Giants, missing two starters on their o-line could be trouble. The Giants are better at run blocking than pass blocking and if either or both of their starting line is out could spell trouble. They gave up 8 sacks to the Cowboys and now 23 for the season. With the high likelyhood of the Panthers need to use a 3 DE set, keeping Eli upright would be that much harder.

    The keys for the Panthers on stopping the Giants is pressure on Manning when they have to throw and limit the ground attack (unless a miracle happens, we are not doing to shut it down). Regardless of who is starting on our defensive line, Jon Beason is going to have to play his best game of the season and dropping eight in the box is not out of the question.

    This means Chris Gamble and Ken Lucas will have to work a lot of single coverage with only one safety up top. Before Plaxico Burress was suspended this was causing teams major problems. While the Giants still have quality receivers losing their best receiver changes the way you have to defend against them. Just imagine the consequences to the Panthers if we lost Steve Smith.

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    For the Giants, missing two starters on their o-line could be trouble. The Giants are better at run blocking than pass blocking and if either or both of their starting line is out could spell trouble. They gave up 8 sacks to the Cowboys and now 23 for the season. With the high likelyhood of the Panthers need to use a 3 DE set, keeping Eli upright would be that much harder.

    The keys for the Panthers on stopping the Giants is pressure on Manning when they have to throw and limit the ground attack (unless a miracle happens, we are not doing to shut it down). Regardless of who is starting on our defensive line, Jon Beason is going to have to play his best game of the season and dropping eight in the box is not out of the question.

    This means Chris Gamble and Ken Lucas will have to work a lot of single coverage with only one safety up top. Before Plaxico Burress was suspended this was causing teams major problems. While the Giants still have quality receivers losing their best receiver changes the way you have to defend against them. Just imagine the consequences to the Panthers if we lost Steve Smith.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 5:59 PM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by moyhead:



    dude so what are you trying to say with those stats? the Giants are better in every category listed on there

     

     I am not arguing that they are better in the stats.  I never said that...  I think this is a great match-up... Bottom Line Panthers Cover tonight, this is smash mouth football.  I think the Panthers are an underdog, but this is about who will cover.

    Panthers +4 take the points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moyhead:



    dude so what are you trying to say with those stats? the Giants are better in every category listed on there

     

     I am not arguing that they are better in the stats.  I never said that...  I think this is a great match-up... Bottom Line Panthers Cover tonight, this is smash mouth football.  I think the Panthers are an underdog, but this is about who will cover.

    Panthers +4 take the points.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 6:06 PM ET #63

    w8lifter....this is a bad day for you ....isn't it?
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    w8lifter....this is a bad day for you ....isn't it?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 6:08 PM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by gypsyangler:

     

     I am not arguing that they are better in the stats.  I never said that...  I think this is a great match-up... Bottom Line Panthers Cover tonight, this is smash mouth football.  I think the Panthers are an underdog, but this is about who will cover.

    Panthers +4 take the points.

    I dont like it but i agree, pathers +4

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsyangler:

     

     I am not arguing that they are better in the stats.  I never said that...  I think this is a great match-up... Bottom Line Panthers Cover tonight, this is smash mouth football.  I think the Panthers are an underdog, but this is about who will cover.

    Panthers +4 take the points.

    I dont like it but i agree, pathers +4

     
    dddevin69
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 6:14 PM ET #65

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    Posted: 12/21/2008 4:59:12 PM
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    Originally Posted by moyhead:



    dude so what are you trying to say with those stats? the Giants are better in every category listed on there

     

     I am not arguing that they are better in the stats.  I never said that...  I think this is a great match-up... Bottom Line Panthers Cover tonight, this is smash mouth football.  I think the Panthers are an underdog, but this is about who will cover.

    Panthers +4 take the points.

     

     

    good point gypsy

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    Originally Posted by moyhead:



    dude so what are you trying to say with those stats? the Giants are better in every category listed on there

     

     I am not arguing that they are better in the stats.  I never said that...  I think this is a great match-up... Bottom Line Panthers Cover tonight, this is smash mouth football.  I think the Panthers are an underdog, but this is about who will cover.

    Panthers +4 take the points.

     

     

    good point gypsy

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 7:02 PM ET #66

    g-men, g-men, G-MEN HOW CAN U EVEN COMPARE ANY RECENT STATS, N.Y. HAS'NT GIVEN A SHIT ABOUT THE LASTFEW GAMES. DON'T GO BY THOSE STATS.
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    g-men, g-men, G-MEN HOW CAN U EVEN COMPARE ANY RECENT STATS, N.Y. HAS'NT GIVEN A SHIT ABOUT THE LASTFEW GAMES. DON'T GO BY THOSE STATS.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 7:05 PM ET #67

    Giants -4
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    Giants -4
     
    Jerry Garcia1
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 7:22 PM ET #68

    Over 19 1st half.
     
     
     
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    Over 19 1st half.
     
     
     
     
    CROD21
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 7:22 PM ET #69

    Giants - 4 and OVER 37
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    Giants - 4 and OVER 37
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 7:26 PM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by SNIPER702:

    g-men, g-men, G-MEN HOW CAN U EVEN COMPARE ANY RECENT STATS, N.Y. HAS'NT GIVEN A SHIT ABOUT THE LASTFEW GAMES. DON'T GO BY THOSE STATS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNIPER702:

    g-men, g-men, G-MEN HOW CAN U EVEN COMPARE ANY RECENT STATS, N.Y. HAS'NT GIVEN A SHIT ABOUT THE LASTFEW GAMES. DON'T GO BY THOSE STATS.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 7:27 PM ET #71

    My goodness....look at the Panthers schedule! They beat a bad Denver team.

    They beat a Tampa Bay team that simply cannot play defense anymore. Look at their schedule! They have beaten up on a bunch of patsies.

    The Giants will NOT lose three in a row...and they should cover this game. Giants by 10.
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    My goodness....look at the Panthers schedule! They beat a bad Denver team.

    They beat a Tampa Bay team that simply cannot play defense anymore. Look at their schedule! They have beaten up on a bunch of patsies.

    The Giants will NOT lose three in a row...and they should cover this game. Giants by 10.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 7:50 PM ET #72

    give me carolina!!!!
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    give me carolina!!!!
     
    dencol
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 7:55 PM ET #73

    cant play my own team objectively...but will play over 1H good luck all
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    cant play my own team objectively...but will play over 1H good luck all
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 8:02 PM ET #74

    I'm a NYG homer, but i think the home field is what is most important.  Carolina hasn't done squat on the road this year, they are a totally mediocre team on the road this year. 

    At home they are a team that looks like a division winner. 
     
    Their Road wins were @ SD, @ OAK, and a game @ Lambeau that Green Bay gave them by poor coaching and poorer defense.
     
    Giants by 7-10 points.
     
     
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    I'm a NYG homer, but i think the home field is what is most important.  Carolina hasn't done squat on the road this year, they are a totally mediocre team on the road this year. 

    At home they are a team that looks like a division winner. 
     
    Their Road wins were @ SD, @ OAK, and a game @ Lambeau that Green Bay gave them by poor coaching and poorer defense.
     
    Giants by 7-10 points.
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2008 - 8:02 PM ET #75

    Come on Giants help us out with a chance at the division
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    Come on Giants help us out with a chance at the division
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