Did anyone else see the article in the WSJ saying that paragraph 5 gives Iran control over how the Strait of Hormuz will be reopened?
The Murdoch-owned GOP media flack (aka Trump-humper lobbyist lazy excuse for a “media” outlet) reports that Trump’s own attorneys either overlooked or were completely ignorant about how Iran would interpret the agreement as givin Iran sole control over the Strait, with ZERO input from the US.
That is why the US resumed bombing Iran.
No agreement has been violated by Iran, only by President Dementia J Trump. Team Trump stupidly and shortsightedly rushed into a contract with unfavorable terms, and now is whining about their utter stupidity and breaking the agreement they signed.
Not my opinion, just the WSJ’s. The same WSJ that has run pro-GOP cover for 60 years. It’s a shame that media has sunk to such low levels these days, the proletariat deserve a better brand of criminal than what the GOP is currently offering.
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Did anyone else see the article in the WSJ saying that paragraph 5 gives Iran control over how the Strait of Hormuz will be reopened?
The Murdoch-owned GOP media flack (aka Trump-humper lobbyist lazy excuse for a “media” outlet) reports that Trump’s own attorneys either overlooked or were completely ignorant about how Iran would interpret the agreement as givin Iran sole control over the Strait, with ZERO input from the US.
That is why the US resumed bombing Iran.
No agreement has been violated by Iran, only by President Dementia J Trump. Team Trump stupidly and shortsightedly rushed into a contract with unfavorable terms, and now is whining about their utter stupidity and breaking the agreement they signed.
Not my opinion, just the WSJ’s. The same WSJ that has run pro-GOP cover for 60 years. It’s a shame that media has sunk to such low levels these days, the proletariat deserve a better brand of criminal than what the GOP is currently offering.
“The flaw of the MOU was not so much that it avoided the nuclear issue, but that it apparently papered over major differences between the U.S. and Iran on the key issues the agreement was intended to solve—the ceasefire, the status of the Strait, and sanctions relief,” said Eric Brewer, a former senior Iran analyst in the U.S. intelligence community. “Either the U.S. didn’t know about those differences or chose to ignore them.””
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“The Fight Over Hormuz Boils Down to One Poorly Worded Clause in Trump’s Deal”
“The flaw of the MOU was not so much that it avoided the nuclear issue, but that it apparently papered over major differences between the U.S. and Iran on the key issues the agreement was intended to solve—the ceasefire, the status of the Strait, and sanctions relief,” said Eric Brewer, a former senior Iran analyst in the U.S. intelligence community. “Either the U.S. didn’t know about those differences or chose to ignore them.””
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“The Fight Over Hormuz Boils Down to One Poorly Worded Clause in Trump’s Deal”
It’s basically impossible to reach an agreement as it stands right now ! Iran won that war - and you guys are the one demanding stuff to change in your favour on threats alone - Trump is so senile he can’t remember your original goal was regime change (and defending those rebel groups in Iran - their nuclear facilities was based on their original story bombed beyond repair around a year ago) - and every day Iran doesn’t lose - they win (the clock is on their side) - and you can’t turn back now without a solution
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
It’s basically impossible to reach an agreement as it stands right now ! Iran won that war - and you guys are the one demanding stuff to change in your favour on threats alone - Trump is so senile he can’t remember your original goal was regime change (and defending those rebel groups in Iran - their nuclear facilities was based on their original story bombed beyond repair around a year ago) - and every day Iran doesn’t lose - they win (the clock is on their side) - and you can’t turn back now without a solution
Imagine where we would be if your military complex had ever passed an audit - not only don’t you see your tax money pay for anything important for your life - the only thing it goes to are just a big money laundering scheme
If you guys are held there against your will - go on Fox News tell a true story and blink twice - then I know you are held there as a hostage and will act accordingly
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
Imagine where we would be if your military complex had ever passed an audit - not only don’t you see your tax money pay for anything important for your life - the only thing it goes to are just a big money laundering scheme
If you guys are held there against your will - go on Fox News tell a true story and blink twice - then I know you are held there as a hostage and will act accordingly
Situation in the gulf is bad for the US with Iran in a stronger position. Trump's response is to pretend it's the opposite. As long as that persists, war will remain unresolved.
Situation in the gulf is bad for the US with Iran in a stronger position. Trump's response is to pretend it's the opposite. As long as that persists, war will remain unresolved.
Instead of Iran, democrat Emanuel recommends that United nations International maritime association should collect fees on shipping in strait. Revenue goes to all gulf nations affected by war. Long term solution is alternative pathways for oil that bypass strait so that Iran could not use closure as leverage in negotiations.
Instead of Iran, democrat Emanuel recommends that United nations International maritime association should collect fees on shipping in strait. Revenue goes to all gulf nations affected by war. Long term solution is alternative pathways for oil that bypass strait so that Iran could not use closure as leverage in negotiations.
This is where Fox Entertainment could get its credibility back and call out this fiasco of a dozen errors ! But instead they 3 times a day will talk about Taylor Swifts wasting money on her wedding! Thank God for the BBC ! At this point I trust Al Jazeera in honesty over Fox Entertainment!
This is where Fox Entertainment could get its credibility back and call out this fiasco of a dozen errors ! But instead they 3 times a day will talk about Taylor Swifts wasting money on her wedding! Thank God for the BBC ! At this point I trust Al Jazeera in honesty over Fox Entertainment!
Not enough “why is the strait closed again causing everything to cost more” and too much of the meaningless garbage on Fox every day. Trump has solved his war on Iran 47 times now in 94 days! It’s actually 46 wars stopped in the last few months! Doesn’t that count for something? Wait, don’t answer that, the war is on again…
Not enough “why is the strait closed again causing everything to cost more” and too much of the meaningless garbage on Fox every day. Trump has solved his war on Iran 47 times now in 94 days! It’s actually 46 wars stopped in the last few months! Doesn’t that count for something? Wait, don’t answer that, the war is on again…
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — The United States attacked Iran early Sunday over an Iranian strike on a container ship in the Strait of Hormuz that set it ablaze and left one crew member missing. Iran responded with attacks on countries in the Middle East including Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan and Oman — the nation on the other side of the strait that Tehran has pressed to join in managing traffic there.
The fighting raised new questions as Iran and the U.S. are nearly at the midway point of the 60-day period of their interim deal aimed at reaching a permanent end to the war.
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — The United States attacked Iran early Sunday over an Iranian strike on a container ship in the Strait of Hormuz that set it ablaze and left one crew member missing. Iran responded with attacks on countries in the Middle East including Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan and Oman — the nation on the other side of the strait that Tehran has pressed to join in managing traffic there.
The fighting raised new questions as Iran and the U.S. are nearly at the midway point of the 60-day period of their interim deal aimed at reaching a permanent end to the war.
Previously, Rubio and International maritime organization said that no country has legal right to toll international waterways under international law. Now joining Iran as pirates, Trump plans to charge fee for safe passage of ships in strait. But ships can still be attacked because closing strait is easier than trying to keep it open. Strait was open to all ships before US and Israel launched war against Iran. Without congress approval, Trump is supposed to be withdrawing US military instead of committing to forever war.
Previously, Rubio and International maritime organization said that no country has legal right to toll international waterways under international law. Now joining Iran as pirates, Trump plans to charge fee for safe passage of ships in strait. But ships can still be attacked because closing strait is easier than trying to keep it open. Strait was open to all ships before US and Israel launched war against Iran. Without congress approval, Trump is supposed to be withdrawing US military instead of committing to forever war.
@Sidehatch True, if you read the MOU article 5 states Iran gets control of SOH. Furthermore JD Vance after meeting with the Iranians contradicts the MOU then implies the entire ordeal was to scam the Iranians.
Trump is a lame duck & the Republicans want to Impeach him to avoid further damage to the Republicans, they believe JD Vance replacing Trump will give the Republicans a better shot at beating the Dems in 2028.
But JD Vance is no Genius, is screwing up a lot.
Negotiating in Bad Faith will lose lawsuits in the USA & in Foreign Relations destroy your credibility. USA is entering a brutal battle with China over Technology sales worldwide. USA needs to Annex Canada & Greenland, we need the assets so we can borrow $ or our Economy will implode. Convincing folks to buy USA is imploding. Convincing Canadians & Greenlanders to vote for Annexation like the Eastern Ukrainians did @80% is going to be real tuff.
FYI Democrats will absolutely annex Canadian because it would turn USA liberal for 50 years.
@Sidehatch True, if you read the MOU article 5 states Iran gets control of SOH. Furthermore JD Vance after meeting with the Iranians contradicts the MOU then implies the entire ordeal was to scam the Iranians.
Trump is a lame duck & the Republicans want to Impeach him to avoid further damage to the Republicans, they believe JD Vance replacing Trump will give the Republicans a better shot at beating the Dems in 2028.
But JD Vance is no Genius, is screwing up a lot.
Negotiating in Bad Faith will lose lawsuits in the USA & in Foreign Relations destroy your credibility. USA is entering a brutal battle with China over Technology sales worldwide. USA needs to Annex Canada & Greenland, we need the assets so we can borrow $ or our Economy will implode. Convincing folks to buy USA is imploding. Convincing Canadians & Greenlanders to vote for Annexation like the Eastern Ukrainians did @80% is going to be real tuff.
FYI Democrats will absolutely annex Canadian because it would turn USA liberal for 50 years.
While Trump & Rubio lies stating Iran has no claim on the SOH. Fool Trump authenticates Iran’s claim by stating USA will control SOH. Then Idiot Trump states USA will charge the World a 20% toll to use SOH. A 20% toll would dramatically increase Global Oil prices crashing the Global economy.
While Trump & Rubio lies stating Iran has no claim on the SOH. Fool Trump authenticates Iran’s claim by stating USA will control SOH. Then Idiot Trump states USA will charge the World a 20% toll to use SOH. A 20% toll would dramatically increase Global Oil prices crashing the Global economy.
Annex = convincing citizens to vote to become a part of another Country! Example Crimea after witnessing the 2014 coup in Ukraine immediately voted over 80% to join Russia. Crimea has always been the location of Russia’s main foreign Navy base, for centuries Russia has leased the base in Crimea where everyone speaks Russian, they are basically Russian. Eastern Ukraine is also Russian everyone there speaks Russian. When the 2014 Coup happened Eastern Ukraine & part of the Ukraine Military broke off & formed an independent territory from Western Ukraine. They asked Putin to annex them but Putin refused. When the NATO military built up on the Eastern Ukraine Border about to slaughter Russian speaking Ukrainians Putin had to intervene. Russia defeated & destroyed the NATO military then annexed Eastern Ukraine.
USA needs to convince Canadians to join USA! The Oil section of Canada wants in USA ASAP. It would be a huge win for all Canadians becoming USA citizens. It would be a Massive loss for the English Royals. If you read USA’s latest National Security Strategy it implies USA is taking over this part of Earth. Trump knowing what USA intends to do attempted to insert himself into the picture by publicly stating he’s some sort of Conquerer.
Again this should be a “no brainer” for Canadians! No country in the Quantum Age is going to keep up with Russia, China, & USA! Iran could contribute to humanity in the future if it partners with China & Russia. Looking way out but not likely if Africa could unite Africa could rival the big 3, that’s why the Middle East & Europeans have kept the lights off in Africa for centuries. Setting aside the Asians Elites have always been afraid of Africa.
Annex = convincing citizens to vote to become a part of another Country! Example Crimea after witnessing the 2014 coup in Ukraine immediately voted over 80% to join Russia. Crimea has always been the location of Russia’s main foreign Navy base, for centuries Russia has leased the base in Crimea where everyone speaks Russian, they are basically Russian. Eastern Ukraine is also Russian everyone there speaks Russian. When the 2014 Coup happened Eastern Ukraine & part of the Ukraine Military broke off & formed an independent territory from Western Ukraine. They asked Putin to annex them but Putin refused. When the NATO military built up on the Eastern Ukraine Border about to slaughter Russian speaking Ukrainians Putin had to intervene. Russia defeated & destroyed the NATO military then annexed Eastern Ukraine.
USA needs to convince Canadians to join USA! The Oil section of Canada wants in USA ASAP. It would be a huge win for all Canadians becoming USA citizens. It would be a Massive loss for the English Royals. If you read USA’s latest National Security Strategy it implies USA is taking over this part of Earth. Trump knowing what USA intends to do attempted to insert himself into the picture by publicly stating he’s some sort of Conquerer.
Again this should be a “no brainer” for Canadians! No country in the Quantum Age is going to keep up with Russia, China, & USA! Iran could contribute to humanity in the future if it partners with China & Russia. Looking way out but not likely if Africa could unite Africa could rival the big 3, that’s why the Middle East & Europeans have kept the lights off in Africa for centuries. Setting aside the Asians Elites have always been afraid of Africa.
Canadians are mostly Liberal if they join USA they will tip the scales. The Canadian Constitution states the Rights of Canadian Citizens are granted by the King Of England! Australia, Canada, New Zealand are essentially territories of the Royals of England that’s why it’s so easy to implement Socialist & Authoritarianism in those countries.
@wallstreetcappers
Canadians are mostly Liberal if they join USA they will tip the scales. The Canadian Constitution states the Rights of Canadian Citizens are granted by the King Of England! Australia, Canada, New Zealand are essentially territories of the Royals of England that’s why it’s so easy to implement Socialist & Authoritarianism in those countries.
Didnt need the dictionary message, your conclusion is absurd as if the US can just annex Canada and that is how it works. Why would a conservative government even consider this in the first place let alone why would you think it has ANY chance in any possible way?
Trump has a better shot at running a 3 hour marathon than the US does at annexing ANYTHING.
@FresnoHawk68
Didnt need the dictionary message, your conclusion is absurd as if the US can just annex Canada and that is how it works. Why would a conservative government even consider this in the first place let alone why would you think it has ANY chance in any possible way?
Trump has a better shot at running a 3 hour marathon than the US does at annexing ANYTHING.
Have you ever been to Russia ? I have tons of times - want me to go through how a “fair” election is conducted there ? Cause I have witnessed it —-
You go into a booth nice and dandy - then when you come out and are about to cast your vote - 4 armed guards with AR’s check that you haven’t made a “mistake” and voted wrong - that is their fair elections - btw you might very well look into a similar future - so nice at least this is what you aspire to be
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
Have you ever been to Russia ? I have tons of times - want me to go through how a “fair” election is conducted there ? Cause I have witnessed it —-
You go into a booth nice and dandy - then when you come out and are about to cast your vote - 4 armed guards with AR’s check that you haven’t made a “mistake” and voted wrong - that is their fair elections - btw you might very well look into a similar future - so nice at least this is what you aspire to be
That is how you make people fall in line - first you scare the public - showing them what you “can” do - and then your presence alone affect enough people to push your agenda - it is exactly the same you will see if people see armed ICE agents check votes during election - you don’t even have to order them to interfere with the votes - just them being there will be enough to push enough voters
And then eventually people will see no point in voting if you go against the leader (which is what you see in Russia now) - because they know he will win anyway
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
That is how you make people fall in line - first you scare the public - showing them what you “can” do - and then your presence alone affect enough people to push your agenda - it is exactly the same you will see if people see armed ICE agents check votes during election - you don’t even have to order them to interfere with the votes - just them being there will be enough to push enough voters
And then eventually people will see no point in voting if you go against the leader (which is what you see in Russia now) - because they know he will win anyway
By the way annexing a country more often is done by military means than by voting - with you it would have to be the way you did it with all - apart from some South American and African countries - joining you would be a downgrade from what they have already - that is why you get all the hate - because when you talk about it - it does imply military actions will be taken
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
By the way annexing a country more often is done by military means than by voting - with you it would have to be the way you did it with all - apart from some South American and African countries - joining you would be a downgrade from what they have already - that is why you get all the hate - because when you talk about it - it does imply military actions will be taken
The Canadian Constitution states the Rights of Canadian Citizens are granted by the King Of England! Australia, Canada, New Zealand are essentially territories of the Royals of England that’s why it’s so easy to implement Socialist & Authoritarianism in those countries.
England released former colonies Australia, Canada and New Zealand to become independent countries. Modern monarchy is politically powerless and serves only ceremonial role. None of those countries are socialist or authoritarian which are located mostly in Asia and Africa. For examples, Russia, Nigeria and China. Polls show vast majority of Canadians and Greenlanders don't want to join US. They rather join European union. Besides, US does not really need to annex countries when it can just buy resources and companies from them.
Quote Originally Posted by FresnoHawk68:
The Canadian Constitution states the Rights of Canadian Citizens are granted by the King Of England! Australia, Canada, New Zealand are essentially territories of the Royals of England that’s why it’s so easy to implement Socialist & Authoritarianism in those countries.
England released former colonies Australia, Canada and New Zealand to become independent countries. Modern monarchy is politically powerless and serves only ceremonial role. None of those countries are socialist or authoritarian which are located mostly in Asia and Africa. For examples, Russia, Nigeria and China. Polls show vast majority of Canadians and Greenlanders don't want to join US. They rather join European union. Besides, US does not really need to annex countries when it can just buy resources and companies from them.
If that’s what you want to believe I get it. Notice the day after I bring up this Canada stuff, Trump post on his Social Media a pic of him in the Oval showing a Map of USA, Greenland, & Canada labeled USA to NATO leaders, notice whose not there.
Again read the new National Security Strategy & Conclusions from the USA Government! This a Very Serious Matter because it impacts the entire World! Think about the USA what they do how they do it. I’m not here to offend anyone I’m simply trying to educate so we can make the World a better place. USA Government & Military is going to do what it has to do to survive, it doesn’t matter right now what USA & Canadians citizens think.
USA has overthrown Iran’s leadership multiple times, despite losing the 39 day war, & currently low on ammo that will take Many years to replenish USA continues on a Suicide mission in Iran. Why because USA wants Iran’s Resources & to stop Iran from becoming the Japan of the Middle East. Iran wins by surviving USA loses if Iran survives! This crap does Not Benefit the USA Citizens & it will surely cause Trump/Republicans to lose Power & lose the Mid Term Elections. It will ensure Trump is impeached & possibly removed from White House.
USA thought AI LLMs would pay off 40 Trillion debt, that will not happen! USA will take Greenland & Canada to fix it’s balance sheet so it can try to borrow its way out of the debt.
Trump is following orders!
If that’s what you want to believe I get it. Notice the day after I bring up this Canada stuff, Trump post on his Social Media a pic of him in the Oval showing a Map of USA, Greenland, & Canada labeled USA to NATO leaders, notice whose not there.
Again read the new National Security Strategy & Conclusions from the USA Government! This a Very Serious Matter because it impacts the entire World! Think about the USA what they do how they do it. I’m not here to offend anyone I’m simply trying to educate so we can make the World a better place. USA Government & Military is going to do what it has to do to survive, it doesn’t matter right now what USA & Canadians citizens think.
USA has overthrown Iran’s leadership multiple times, despite losing the 39 day war, & currently low on ammo that will take Many years to replenish USA continues on a Suicide mission in Iran. Why because USA wants Iran’s Resources & to stop Iran from becoming the Japan of the Middle East. Iran wins by surviving USA loses if Iran survives! This crap does Not Benefit the USA Citizens & it will surely cause Trump/Republicans to lose Power & lose the Mid Term Elections. It will ensure Trump is impeached & possibly removed from White House.
USA thought AI LLMs would pay off 40 Trillion debt, that will not happen! USA will take Greenland & Canada to fix it’s balance sheet so it can try to borrow its way out of the debt.
@wallstreetcappers It’s not about what I think!! The USA wants Canada & Trump is making moves to get it for his Masters! When Trump is gone the next POTUS will continue what USA had Trump start, then the next POTUS until Canada is USA.
This is what the USA Gov. wants, the American people aren’t thinking about! Trump is telling the Whole World on behalf of the USA Gov. Canada is going to be USA. Trump is holding meetings with NATO leaders about taking Canada! He’s telling them USA will be able to protect Europe from China & Russia (USA won’t) he’s telling them USA will mine Rare Earth’s from Canada & Greenland then ship RE to Europe.
The next POTUS will repeat Trump’s talking points & be more diplomatic. USA blew up the Nordstream Pipeline cutting off Energy to Europe.
Are you gonna sit there and deny what USA is & what USA consistently does? Do you realize the War in Iran will cause a MASSIVE migration of Middle Easterners & Africans flooding into Europe? Why because the Persian Gulf is a major source of Fertilizer to Africa & the Middle East! Iran is the breadbasket of the Middle East just like Ukraine is the BreadBasket of Europe. Iran will cut off food exports to the Arabs & send it to China! When people lose their food supply they migrate, Europe is about to be flooded! Where’s your Wall?
@wallstreetcappers It’s not about what I think!! The USA wants Canada & Trump is making moves to get it for his Masters! When Trump is gone the next POTUS will continue what USA had Trump start, then the next POTUS until Canada is USA.
This is what the USA Gov. wants, the American people aren’t thinking about! Trump is telling the Whole World on behalf of the USA Gov. Canada is going to be USA. Trump is holding meetings with NATO leaders about taking Canada! He’s telling them USA will be able to protect Europe from China & Russia (USA won’t) he’s telling them USA will mine Rare Earth’s from Canada & Greenland then ship RE to Europe.
The next POTUS will repeat Trump’s talking points & be more diplomatic. USA blew up the Nordstream Pipeline cutting off Energy to Europe.
Are you gonna sit there and deny what USA is & what USA consistently does? Do you realize the War in Iran will cause a MASSIVE migration of Middle Easterners & Africans flooding into Europe? Why because the Persian Gulf is a major source of Fertilizer to Africa & the Middle East! Iran is the breadbasket of the Middle East just like Ukraine is the BreadBasket of Europe. Iran will cut off food exports to the Arabs & send it to China! When people lose their food supply they migrate, Europe is about to be flooded! Where’s your Wall?
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