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As much as I despise HRC, I have maintained that I could not vote for Trump. There's no need to rehash the reasons for this, they are obvious to anyone who is not completely blinded by bias. I was left with no option other than to not vote at all.

But the closer we get, the more I think this through, the more I realize that there is a right and wrong here, and a vote for Trump is right.

I can not defend Trumps words, nor his over the top narcissism ... but I keep coming back to the fact that it is Trumps words that offend me, but it is HRC's actions that offend me. One is clearly worse than the other.

While the MSM continues to ignore the wikileaks emails, I have not.
The emails from Podesta, and others, are positively damning of HRC. They prove her level of corruptness without a shadow of a doubt. They prove the manner that the Clintons have corrupted Comey and the FBI. Every tax paying citizen in this country should be up in arms over this, but instead those on the left turn a blind eye to it. 
Is DJT so repulsive that people won't acknowledge that HRC is by far the most corrupt politician in the history of the United States?

Obamacare ... I realize that it has helped a few. But the facts are that the cost of it has started to spiral out of control, and if HRC gets elected it will only get worse. As of January 1st, 2017, I will be paying over $2,000 per month with a $10,000 deductible for health care. That is an 80% increase in just 2 years, and it is only going up from here.
Obamacare must be repealed. I speak for millions of people when I say this ... and that number grows daily as more people are notified of their pending health care price increases. 

We have two unworthy candidates to choose from.
One is a career politician who knows how to get things done in DC. She knows how the game is played, how the money flows, and how the palms get greased for personal gains. 
The other is a businessman with no political background. He is despised by the left, and many politicians on the right. His ability to get anything significant done as POTUS will be limited because of this. 
One of these two is way more dangerous than the other.
Trump might offend foreign dignitaries, he might even grab Queen Elizabeth's p*ssy, but he is not dangerous to this country.
HRC scares me. She is dangerous.

I am still of the opinion that Trump is a significant underdog on Nov 8th, but at the current odds I am wagering on Trump in hopes that America will recognize that words are less troublesome than actions.

To those who read my entire sermon (all 3 of you) and plan on voting for HRC ... before you attack me and my vote, kindly chime in on the wikileaks emails 
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They get quieter than a mouse fart when you bring up wiki leaks.  Good luck getting a lib talking about wiki leaks.  They do so by bringing up Trump.
 
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The hardcore libs and dumb women will NEVER listen to reason and the truth...20% of the voters.

The welfare folks and immigrants getting tax payer freebies will listen to the truth to some degree but are afraid of getting cut off so they vote their pocketbooks....Most of them will never get a job and stay poor forever...20% in that group for the dems

Voter fraud by the crooked hill team...5% fraud

Trump wins 55%-45%

Just my opinion from what I can hear and smell....Hope I am right...If not, Hitlery brings in another ten- twenty million migrants (or more)....Settles them in red states and the dems are in power forever.

Who pays for all this welfare and free goodies the dems will be handing out for their new voters?...... Think about it with a clear mind to get the answer.
 
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I just created a thread with an article by Charlie Reese.
Fantastic article, sans the finger pointing and accusations that make up most political commentary.

Charlie eloquently expresses that the problem with politics is simply the politicians themselves.
With that in mind, it is time for a non-politician to be voted POTUS 
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Quote Originally Posted by JimmyDrizzl:

 
Voter fraud by the crooked hill team...5% fraud



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Fair and balanced reporting???

1) ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama's National Security Adviser.

2) CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy
National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.

3) ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former Obama Whitehouse Press Secretary Jay Carney.

4) ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.

5) ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.

6) CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.

7) Dan Pfeiffer, former White House senior advisor now works for CNN

8) Former MSNBC personality Melissa Hart-Perry is married to Obama's WHITE HOUSE CHEF.

9) ABC News anchor George Stephanopolus worked in the Clinton White House and contributed to the Clinton Foundation as late as last year.

10) News Corp Watch: A project of Media Matters For America, News Corp 
Watch was established with the help of a $1 million George Soros grant to Media Matters. It is a 501(C) tax-exempt org.



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Americans people should vote for independant party to broke realy the system  and send a big signal to politics!

of course the independt party wil not win but it is the only way to make a big impact otherijse clinton or trump it is the same way of then the pass
 
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One last comment ...

Now that I am a Trump supporter, as per many HRC supporters, I automatically become;

A redneck
A Klan member
A racist
A sexist
A homophobe
A bigot
A deplorable
Uneducated
Uninformed (the list goes on, but you get the idea)

Isn't the Democratic party against labels?
Aren't HRC's supporters offended when Trump calls people names?

Think about it 
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Actually, most of those traits existed even when you were pretending not to support Trump. 

I call BS on the health insurance claim. I know which state you are in. My state is more expensive and I pay $5000 per year for top notch ($800 deductible). 

Here are the State averages. 
https://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/2017-premium-changes-and-insurer-participation-in-the-affordable-care-acts-health-insurance-marketplaces/


 
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DJ, while I find your little dig at me in your first sentence to be somewhat of a decent zing, the part about my "pretending not to support Trump" is merely consistent with your painfully flawed opinion. 
You see that I criticize HRC, therefore you assume that I must support Trump.
Why can't you recognize that they are not one in the same?

You call BS on the health insurance claim?
Fine, my little know-it-all friend, let's do this ...
I will email you a copy of my health insurance form/statement, and upon receipt you will start a new thread with the sole purpose of informing everyone that you were wrong (again).

FACT; I live in Ct. 
FACT; in 2015 my premium was $1,300+ ($5000 deductible)
FACT; in 2016 my premium is $1,700+ ($10k deductible)
FACT; in 2017 my premium will be $2,000+ ($10k deductible) and that is with one less family member on the plan!!!

I will confirm these facts to you, DJ.
Do you accept the offer?
You called BS. I will prove it to you. Then you publicly eat crow.
In the words of Howie ... deal, or no deal? 
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You have very inadequate people looking at your options. 

I just went to the insurance website, entered in the family plan, entered in partner (I'm assuming female), two teenage children, all smokers, and found you a $700 monthly plan with a $2500 deductible (try the National General). 

If you want a higher deductible, try the United Health One at $259 per month (I don't suggest it, very few in-network options). 


https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/st/best-sellers?fromPage=sep-screen&sepIneligible=false
You can thank me later. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

Fair and balanced reporting???

1) ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama's National Security Adviser.

2) CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy
National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.

3) ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former Obama Whitehouse Press Secretary Jay Carney.

4) ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.

5) ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.

6) CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.

7) Dan Pfeiffer, former White House senior advisor now works for CNN

8) Former MSNBC personality Melissa Hart-Perry is married to Obama's WHITE HOUSE CHEF.

9) ABC News anchor George Stephanopolus worked in the Clinton White House and contributed to the Clinton Foundation as late as last year.

10) News Corp Watch: A project of Media Matters For America, News Corp 
Watch was established with the help of a $1 million George Soros grant to Media Matters. It is a 501(C) tax-exempt org.




One little incestuous DC group. Good info.  

As for actually getting liberals to debate issues, good luck. I gave it a shot a while back and it is futile. There is no case for voting Hillary to be made....all that is put forth on her behalf is name calling, insults, and raw emotion. 

Just like Obama...politics of division. These people are ideologues, and that makes them extremely dangerous. 
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

You have very inadequate people looking at your options. 

I just went to the insurance website, entered in the family plan, entered in partner (I'm assuming female), two teenage children, all smokers, and found you a $700 monthly plan with a $2500 deductible (try the National General). 

If you want a higher deductible, try the United Health One at $259 per month (I don't suggest it, very few in-network options). 


https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/st/best-sellers?fromPage=sep-screen&sepIneligible=false
You can thank me later. 

I will forward that site onto the price-shopper in my family.
I do not have a ready answer as to why those costs are not available to me, but I've been with my wife for over 30 years, and I'm positive and confident that she is not one to pay for something that can be had for much cheaper. 

There is a reason why I pay what I pay. 
Once "the boss" informs me of it, I will provide that info.

With that said, I will assume you have opted for the "no deal" option.
A wise choice, my friend. I know how much it would pain you to admit that you were wrong 
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There is nothing to offer for a deal. It doesn't matter to me what you say you are paying or even what you would purportedly show me.

I have posted a link showing a family of four, all obese, all smokers, with two teenagers, the daughter on birth control, paying $700 per month in CT, with a deductible of $2500. 

Here it is again so you can send to your partner. 

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/st/best-sellers?fromPage=sep-screen&sepIneligible=false

 
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Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:


As for actually getting liberals to debate issues, good luck. I gave it a shot a while back and it is futile. There is no case for voting Hillary to be made....all that is put forth on her behalf is name calling, insults, and raw emotion. 


Once Nov 9th comes, my entering this forum will cease to happen. 

When I need to fulfill my quota of name calling, insults, and other various personal attacks, I can just stay in the PB and read the threads that have been moved there 
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

There is nothing to offer for a deal.

This is my last post regarding "the deal"

1) You called BS on my health care cost claims.
2) I said I will prove my claims to you if you agreed to admit you were wrong
3) You will not accept the offer

Obviously, my offer in and of itself was enough to prove your claims of "BS" were wrong.
Fair enough.

I will still come back to explain why the prices you have provided via your link are not available to me ... or, I will thank you for saving me 10's of thousands of dollars 
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

Actually, most of those traits existed even when you were pretending not to support Trump. 

I call BS on the health insurance claim. I know which state you are in. My state is more expensive and I pay $5000 per year for top notch ($800 deductible). 

Here are the State averages. 
https://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/2017-premium-changes-and-insurer-participation-in-the-affordable-care-acts-health-insurance-marketplaces/



There are some of my buddies, relatives, co-worker (independent contractors) with preexisting illness, have no health insurance prior to the Obamacare. All of them do have a health insurance plan now under Obamacare, 23 more million people just them.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


This is my last post regarding "the deal"

1) You called BS on my health care cost claims.
2) I said I will prove my claims to you if you agreed to admit you were wrong
3) You will not accept the offer

Obviously, my offer in and of itself was enough to prove your claims of "BS" were wrong.
Fair enough.

I will still come back to explain why the prices you have provided via your link are not available to me ... or, I will thank you for saving me 10's of thousands of dollars 

Always happy to help. I accept winning plays in lieu of thank you notes. 
 
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Obama wanted a single payer option. GOP wouldn't allow it under any circumstances. Then they are up in arms at Obama when it is the for-profit Insurers who are free to raise their premiums to astronmical levels without reasonable lawful regulation. Because it's all about free markets baby!!!

If you were smart, you'd endorse a single-payer model like EVERY other industrialized country.

Instead it's more of the same: BLAME OBAMA. When the conditions for this premium rise were set in stone with the GOP agreement. Both sides grossly at fault.

And Obamacare has helped more than "a few". Good lord, the terminology there is just disgraceful.

Vote for Trump. It only compromises your character. And for the record I am not voting.






 
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


There are some of my buddies, relatives, co-worker (independent contractors) with preexisting illness, have no health insurance prior to the Obamacare. All of them do have a health insurance plan now under Obamacare, 23 more million people just them.  

*just like them.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

As much as I despise HRC, I have maintained that I could not vote for Trump. There's no need to rehash the reasons for this, they are obvious to anyone who is not completely blinded by bias. I was left with no option other than to not vote at all.

But the closer we get, the more I think this through, the more I realize that there is a right and wrong here, and a vote for Trump is right.

I can not defend Trumps words, nor his over the top narcissism ... but I keep coming back to the fact that it is Trumps words that offend me, but it is HRC's actions that offend me. One is clearly worse than the other.

While the MSM continues to ignore the wikileaks emails, I have not.
The emails from Podesta, and others, are positively damning of HRC. They prove her level of corruptness without a shadow of a doubt. They prove the manner that the Clintons have corrupted Comey and the FBI. Every tax paying citizen in this country should be up in arms over this, but instead those on the left turn a blind eye to it. 
Is DJT so repulsive that people won't acknowledge that HRC is by far the most corrupt politician in the history of the United States?

Obamacare ... I realize that it has helped a few. But the facts are that the cost of it has started to spiral out of control, and if HRC gets elected it will only get worse. As of January 1st, 2017, I will be paying over $2,000 per month with a $10,000 deductible for health care. That is an 80% increase in just 2 years, and it is only going up from here.
Obamacare must be repealed. I speak for millions of people when I say this ... and that number grows daily as more people are notified of their pending health care price increases. 

We have two unworthy candidates to choose from.
One is a career politician who knows how to get things done in DC. She knows how the game is played, how the money flows, and how the palms get greased for personal gains. 
The other is a businessman with no political background. He is despised by the left, and many politicians on the right. His ability to get anything significant done as POTUS will be limited because of this. 
One of these two is way more dangerous than the other.
Trump might offend foreign dignitaries, he might even grab Queen Elizabeth's p*ssy, but he is not dangerous to this country.
HRC scares me. She is dangerous.

I am still of the opinion that Trump is a significant underdog on Nov 8th, but at the current odds I am wagering on Trump in hopes that America will recognize that words are less troublesome than actions.

To those who read my entire sermon (all 3 of you) and plan on voting for HRC ... before you attack me and my vote, kindly chime in on the wikileaks emails 

This is a well written argument Hugh. BOL with your wager Sir
 
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damnit it.  i though hugh lived in NY.  i called my friend who lives in NY who doesn't give a garbage about this stuff to tell him to vote for hillary to cancel hugh out.  but hugh has outmaneuvered me by taking his nfl winnings and moving to Darien.  i don't know anyone who lives in CT.  nobody knows anyone who lives in CT.   
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

damnit it.  i though hugh lived in NY.  i called my friend who lives in NY who doesn't give a garbage about this stuff to tell him to vote for hillary to cancel hugh out.  but hugh has outmaneuvered me by taking his nfl winnings and moving to Darien.  i don't know anyone who lives in CT.  nobody knows anyone who lives in CT.   


That's some funny stuff there 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


Vote for Trump. It only compromises your character. And for the record I am not voting.


I suppose in the literal sense I am voting for Trump.
For all intents and purposes, I am simply voting against Hillary.

And you are not voting? 
Tough to decide when all the candidates are white, huh?  
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Quote Originally Posted by Inyourlife16:


This is a well written argument Hugh. BOL with your wager Sir

Thanks, IYL 

BTW, I'm looking forward to you new av in 2 weeks time 
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