How much detail or heavily redacted Epstein Files to be released? I guess it will depend on Trump and Pam Bondi's DOJ
That's the key.
If I was a gambling man - say with a penchat for making correct predictions far more often than wrong - I would surmise the real reason trump flip-flopped
is because
he got (or forced) his goose-stepping team of accomplices to ASSURE him that HIS NAME and those of close associates **WILL BE** heavily redacted - thus making the files virtually worthless, except possibly for trump *IF* Democrat names might be in there and - shocking surprise!!! - NOT redacted by trump's fascist team...
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
How much detail or heavily redacted Epstein Files to be released? I guess it will depend on Trump and Pam Bondi's DOJ
That's the key.
If I was a gambling man - say with a penchat for making correct predictions far more often than wrong - I would surmise the real reason trump flip-flopped
is because
he got (or forced) his goose-stepping team of accomplices to ASSURE him that HIS NAME and those of close associates **WILL BE** heavily redacted - thus making the files virtually worthless, except possibly for trump *IF* Democrat names might be in there and - shocking surprise!!! - NOT redacted by trump's fascist team...
Of course, that sham will happen (heavy redaction) assuming the files are even released at all regardless the passing of the Bill and trump signing it - as trump can simply have Pam Bondi and Patel declare the ongoing investigation into Democrats wrongdoing means the case files CAN NOT be released until their extensive - several months to 3 year investigation is concluded..... And trump could then say HE did the right thing signing the bill but it's all out of his hands and the DOJ must conduct their deep, deep, DEEP investigation (which may drag out for years! wink! wink!)
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Of course, that sham will happen (heavy redaction) assuming the files are even released at all regardless the passing of the Bill and trump signing it - as trump can simply have Pam Bondi and Patel declare the ongoing investigation into Democrats wrongdoing means the case files CAN NOT be released until their extensive - several months to 3 year investigation is concluded..... And trump could then say HE did the right thing signing the bill but it's all out of his hands and the DOJ must conduct their deep, deep, DEEP investigation (which may drag out for years! wink! wink!)
How much detail or heavily redacted Epstein Files to be released? I guess it will depend on Trump and Pam Bondi's DOJ. In the first instance, it seems to be a hard tug of water between Trump's administration and majority of Americans. But I presume, majority of us shall prevail for the file to be thoroughly released.
teams of fbi agents have been going thru these files for many months, looking for all the ones that have trumps name on them. Trump is gonna get away again. By him ordering Doj to investigate a bunch of people the other day, that basically means they can't release the good files because there's an open investigation taking place.
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
How much detail or heavily redacted Epstein Files to be released? I guess it will depend on Trump and Pam Bondi's DOJ. In the first instance, it seems to be a hard tug of water between Trump's administration and majority of Americans. But I presume, majority of us shall prevail for the file to be thoroughly released.
teams of fbi agents have been going thru these files for many months, looking for all the ones that have trumps name on them. Trump is gonna get away again. By him ordering Doj to investigate a bunch of people the other day, that basically means they can't release the good files because there's an open investigation taking place.
Of course, that sham will happen (heavy redaction) assuming the files are even released at all regardless the passing of the Bill and trump signing it - as trump can simply have Pam Bondi and Patel declare the ongoing investigation into Democrats wrongdoing means the case files CAN NOT be released until their extensive - several months to 3 year investigation is concluded..... And trump could then say HE did the right thing signing the bill but it's all out of his hands and the DOJ must conduct their deep, deep, DEEP investigation (which may drag out for years! wink! wink!)
That's exactly what is gonna happen. People don't understand con artists always have a backup plan. He's had 11 months to release files but didn't. He knew today's vote was gonna go against him, so that's why he said release them. Also the biggest thing is, if he didn't care about files being released, why did he summon the house members to the situation room in ordered to be pressured into changing their votes. That's what anybody with even a tiny brain should be asking themselves.
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Of course, that sham will happen (heavy redaction) assuming the files are even released at all regardless the passing of the Bill and trump signing it - as trump can simply have Pam Bondi and Patel declare the ongoing investigation into Democrats wrongdoing means the case files CAN NOT be released until their extensive - several months to 3 year investigation is concluded..... And trump could then say HE did the right thing signing the bill but it's all out of his hands and the DOJ must conduct their deep, deep, DEEP investigation (which may drag out for years! wink! wink!)
That's exactly what is gonna happen. People don't understand con artists always have a backup plan. He's had 11 months to release files but didn't. He knew today's vote was gonna go against him, so that's why he said release them. Also the biggest thing is, if he didn't care about files being released, why did he summon the house members to the situation room in ordered to be pressured into changing their votes. That's what anybody with even a tiny brain should be asking themselves.
The Epstein files remind me a lot of the Russia Collusion hoax. You Democrats desperately want something to be there, but there isn't anything. But you all keep digging anyway , just hoping to keep the topic front and center for all of America to see.
You Democrats are a pretty despicable bunch.
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The Epstein files remind me a lot of the Russia Collusion hoax. You Democrats desperately want something to be there, but there isn't anything. But you all keep digging anyway , just hoping to keep the topic front and center for all of America to see.
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: How much detail or heavily redacted Epstein Files to be released? I guess it will depend on Trump and Pam Bondi's DOJ That's the key. If I was a gambling man - say with a penchat for making correct predictions far more often than wrong - I would surmise the real reason trump flip-flopped is because he got (or forced) his goose-stepping team of accomplices to ASSURE him that HIS NAME and those of close associates **WILL BE** heavily redacted - thus making the files virtually worthless, except possibly for trump *IF* Democrat names might be in there and - shocking surprise!!! - NOT redacted by trump's fascist team...
It's not looking good for Larry Summers and Clinton,. What a bunch of pervs.
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: How much detail or heavily redacted Epstein Files to be released? I guess it will depend on Trump and Pam Bondi's DOJ That's the key. If I was a gambling man - say with a penchat for making correct predictions far more often than wrong - I would surmise the real reason trump flip-flopped is because he got (or forced) his goose-stepping team of accomplices to ASSURE him that HIS NAME and those of close associates **WILL BE** heavily redacted - thus making the files virtually worthless, except possibly for trump *IF* Democrat names might be in there and - shocking surprise!!! - NOT redacted by trump's fascist team...
It's not looking good for Larry Summers and Clinton,. What a bunch of pervs.
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: How much detail or heavily redacted Epstein Files to be released? I guess it will depend on Trump and Pam Bondi's DOJ That's the key. If I was a gambling man - say with a penchat for making correct predictions far more often than wrong - I would surmise the real reason trump flip-flopped is because he got (or forced) his goose-stepping team of accomplices to ASSURE him that HIS NAME and those of close associates **WILL BE** heavily redacted - thus making the files virtually worthless, except possibly for trump *IF* Democrat names might be in there and - shocking surprise!!! - NOT redacted by trump's fascist team...
Totally understood, Fubah. But I guess some how and some way, we will have this thing steered clear to the truth. Power and resolution of the majority of people will be the decisive factor.
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: How much detail or heavily redacted Epstein Files to be released? I guess it will depend on Trump and Pam Bondi's DOJ That's the key. If I was a gambling man - say with a penchat for making correct predictions far more often than wrong - I would surmise the real reason trump flip-flopped is because he got (or forced) his goose-stepping team of accomplices to ASSURE him that HIS NAME and those of close associates **WILL BE** heavily redacted - thus making the files virtually worthless, except possibly for trump *IF* Democrat names might be in there and - shocking surprise!!! - NOT redacted by trump's fascist team...
Totally understood, Fubah. But I guess some how and some way, we will have this thing steered clear to the truth. Power and resolution of the majority of people will be the decisive factor.
@fubah2 75% of people favor the release of Epstein Files from PBS poll, 427-1 votes in the House and Senate unanimously passed the bill. Pretty powerful and demanding, isn't it.
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@fubah2 75% of people favor the release of Epstein Files from PBS poll, 427-1 votes in the House and Senate unanimously passed the bill. Pretty powerful and demanding, isn't it.
ABSOLUTELY! And it makes sense too since it is afterall about a despicable CRIME against children. So they should be released.
That said, even a passing of the Bill does not mean it will happen.Personally I am NOT AT ALL optimistic that we will soon see *ALL* the full and complete UNredacted Epstein files, or any. (although I truly hope it happens)
Because if the asshole-rapist/convicted felon and/or his MAGA accomplices have any fear at all about what is contained in the files, then we can bet HEAVILY on it that the files WILL BE heavily redacted for all rebpublican names, for sure .... AND/OR ....trump's DOJ will prevent the release of the files due to an investigation (demanded by trump, which Bondi acknowledged)
Allowing his own DOJ to withhold the files claiming an "ongoing investigation" would give himself, his accomplices and all conservative members of Congress cover for allegingly "doing the right thing" but that it's all out of their hands now due to an investigation.... By cheating this way, the republicans can immorally gain the high ground and wipe their collective hands free....
I WISH there was a BET available on this....
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
@fubah2 75% of people favor the release of Epstein Files from PBS poll, 427-1 votes in the House and Senate unanimously passed the bill. Pretty powerful and demanding, isn't it.
Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
@fubah2 75% of people favor the release of Epstein Files from PBS poll, 427-1 votes in the House and Senate unanimously passed the bill. Pretty powerful and demanding, isn't it.
ABSOLUTELY! And it makes sense too since it is afterall about a despicable CRIME against children. So they should be released.
That said, even a passing of the Bill does not mean it will happen.Personally I am NOT AT ALL optimistic that we will soon see *ALL* the full and complete UNredacted Epstein files, or any. (although I truly hope it happens)
Because if the asshole-rapist/convicted felon and/or his MAGA accomplices have any fear at all about what is contained in the files, then we can bet HEAVILY on it that the files WILL BE heavily redacted for all rebpublican names, for sure .... AND/OR ....trump's DOJ will prevent the release of the files due to an investigation (demanded by trump, which Bondi acknowledged)
Allowing his own DOJ to withhold the files claiming an "ongoing investigation" would give himself, his accomplices and all conservative members of Congress cover for allegingly "doing the right thing" but that it's all out of their hands now due to an investigation.... By cheating this way, the republicans can immorally gain the high ground and wipe their collective hands free....
Why Biden administration couldn't release the files?
Even if democrats want to release Epstein files, justice department normally does not release sensitive information without court approval. Judges have a duty to protect rights of individuals and ongoing investigations. For years, Epstein case was an open criminal investigation until 2025.
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
Why Biden administration couldn't release the files?
Even if democrats want to release Epstein files, justice department normally does not release sensitive information without court approval. Judges have a duty to protect rights of individuals and ongoing investigations. For years, Epstein case was an open criminal investigation until 2025.
40% of young American women (aged 14-44) want to permanently relocate - believe me if just a notable fraction of those leave - you have seen nothing yet where you are heading as a country (and I don’t think protecting people taking part in this helps on the situation)
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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40% of young American women (aged 14-44) want to permanently relocate - believe me if just a notable fraction of those leave - you have seen nothing yet where you are heading as a country (and I don’t think protecting people taking part in this helps on the situation)
democrats are a awful bunch, lolllllllllllllllllllllllll. Republicans and magas are the protectors of child sex offenders. Hows that matt gaetz looking magas?
MAGAS HELPED ELECT A PRESIDENT WHO WAS BEST BUDDY WITH A CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER AND EVEN IF TRUMP WASNT RAPING KIDS, HE KNEW HIS BEST BUDDY WAS RAPING KIDS AND HE LOOKED THE OTHER WAY, cause he loved the party scene and didnt want to leave that, so he kept his trap closed. I dont want any person who is buddies with a convicted sex offender being President. Trump has to pardon people again who already got pardoned once this year. Whos the despicable party? Maybe if magas just once actually watched other news outlets, and not just believe what trumps right wing media is telling all you folks what to believe, you might actually see whats taking place.
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democrats are a awful bunch, lolllllllllllllllllllllllll. Republicans and magas are the protectors of child sex offenders. Hows that matt gaetz looking magas?
MAGAS HELPED ELECT A PRESIDENT WHO WAS BEST BUDDY WITH A CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER AND EVEN IF TRUMP WASNT RAPING KIDS, HE KNEW HIS BEST BUDDY WAS RAPING KIDS AND HE LOOKED THE OTHER WAY, cause he loved the party scene and didnt want to leave that, so he kept his trap closed. I dont want any person who is buddies with a convicted sex offender being President. Trump has to pardon people again who already got pardoned once this year. Whos the despicable party? Maybe if magas just once actually watched other news outlets, and not just believe what trumps right wing media is telling all you folks what to believe, you might actually see whats taking place.
I guess in magas eyes, trump telling everybody on a talk show what a nice ass his daughter has, doesnt make him a pervert. I guess all maga dads talk about their daughters like that.
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I guess in magas eyes, trump telling everybody on a talk show what a nice ass his daughter has, doesnt make him a pervert. I guess all maga dads talk about their daughters like that.
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Why Biden administration couldn't release the files? Even if democrats want to release Epstein files, justice department normally does not release sensitive information without court approval. Judges have a duty to protect rights of individuals and ongoing investigations. For years, Epstein case was an open criminal investigation until 2025.
Wouldn't that exactly falls into Bondi DOJ's prerequisite on the release of the files, or pretty much just releasing heavily redacted files which would indulge those involved key persons. We will see within approximate 30 days if Pres. Trump signs.
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Why Biden administration couldn't release the files? Even if democrats want to release Epstein files, justice department normally does not release sensitive information without court approval. Judges have a duty to protect rights of individuals and ongoing investigations. For years, Epstein case was an open criminal investigation until 2025.
Wouldn't that exactly falls into Bondi DOJ's prerequisite on the release of the files, or pretty much just releasing heavily redacted files which would indulge those involved key persons. We will see within approximate 30 days if Pres. Trump signs.
[Quote: Originally Posted by Calde13]40% of young American women (aged 14-44) want to permanently relocate - believe me if just a notable fraction of those leave - you have seen nothing yet where you are heading as a country (and I don’t think protecting people taking part in this helps on the situation)[/Quote]
You're always taking a 'dig at America. Why don't you just give it a rest..
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[Quote: Originally Posted by Calde13]40% of young American women (aged 14-44) want to permanently relocate - believe me if just a notable fraction of those leave - you have seen nothing yet where you are heading as a country (and I don’t think protecting people taking part in this helps on the situation)[/Quote]
You're always taking a 'dig at America. Why don't you just give it a rest..
40% of young American women (aged 14-44) want to permanently relocate - believe me if just a notable fraction of those leave - you have seen nothing yet where you are heading as a country (and I don’t think protecting people taking part in this helps on the situation)
You're always taking a 'dig at America. Why don't you just give it a rest..
I didn't do anything to make them wanna leave, I didn't conduct or pay the survey - and I has almost the same stake in this particular subject as you do - where do you think the majority of those were to go to if they decided to leave? - Hint: it isn't South America or Africa
Btw I can say whatever I want on whatever subject I want - how does that sound?
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:
Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:
40% of young American women (aged 14-44) want to permanently relocate - believe me if just a notable fraction of those leave - you have seen nothing yet where you are heading as a country (and I don’t think protecting people taking part in this helps on the situation)
You're always taking a 'dig at America. Why don't you just give it a rest..
I didn't do anything to make them wanna leave, I didn't conduct or pay the survey - and I has almost the same stake in this particular subject as you do - where do you think the majority of those were to go to if they decided to leave? - Hint: it isn't South America or Africa
Btw I can say whatever I want on whatever subject I want - how does that sound?
Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: 40% of young American women (aged 14-44) want to permanently relocate - believe me if just a notable fraction of those leave - you have seen nothing yet where you are heading as a country (and I don’t think protecting people taking part in this helps on the situation) You're always taking a 'dig at America. Why don't you just give it a rest.. I didn't do anything to make them wanna leave, I didn't conduct or pay the survey - and I has almost the same stake in this particular subject as you do - where do you think the majority of those were to go to if they decided to leave? - Hint: it isn't South America or Africa Btw I can say whatever I want on whatever subject I want - how does that sound?
Calde, you can post whatever you want. Bunch of people on this forum love to try and tell others what to post. All they need to do is ignore posts they dont like. I like your posts and even thou you dont live here, your pretty in tune to whats happening here
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Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:
Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: 40% of young American women (aged 14-44) want to permanently relocate - believe me if just a notable fraction of those leave - you have seen nothing yet where you are heading as a country (and I don’t think protecting people taking part in this helps on the situation) You're always taking a 'dig at America. Why don't you just give it a rest.. I didn't do anything to make them wanna leave, I didn't conduct or pay the survey - and I has almost the same stake in this particular subject as you do - where do you think the majority of those were to go to if they decided to leave? - Hint: it isn't South America or Africa Btw I can say whatever I want on whatever subject I want - how does that sound?
Calde, you can post whatever you want. Bunch of people on this forum love to try and tell others what to post. All they need to do is ignore posts they dont like. I like your posts and even thou you dont live here, your pretty in tune to whats happening here
Thank you it is the same loud bunch you take note of on YouTube or SoMe channels etc (if you wonder one of the reason the world hates you right now). Where we are told that the entire world revolves around US - so I don’t take personal note of it nor follow their orders ! Because the next moment the question why we care and give our opinion what happens over there - if they could just decide one of the other - I wouldn’t mind not giving a fuck about their “business”
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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Thank you it is the same loud bunch you take note of on YouTube or SoMe channels etc (if you wonder one of the reason the world hates you right now). Where we are told that the entire world revolves around US - so I don’t take personal note of it nor follow their orders ! Because the next moment the question why we care and give our opinion what happens over there - if they could just decide one of the other - I wouldn’t mind not giving a fuck about their “business”
Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-lago in 2007. Hakeem Jefferies invited Epstein to a fund raiser in 2013. In 2019 Stacey Plaskett teams up with Epstein via texting during hearing to get Trump.
BUT, BUT, Epstein isTrump's buddy!! Way too commical.
And then the switch to; "Their gonna redact the bad stuff!!!" AGAIN, WAY TOO COMMICAL. Biden Admin legal team had those files for four years under lock and key. THEY KNOW what's in there. No way to redact that which is already known. And if bad shit about Trump was in there it would have anonymously reached the New York Times years ago.
It's so pathetic reading these posts.
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Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-lago in 2007. Hakeem Jefferies invited Epstein to a fund raiser in 2013. In 2019 Stacey Plaskett teams up with Epstein via texting during hearing to get Trump.
BUT, BUT, Epstein isTrump's buddy!! Way too commical.
And then the switch to; "Their gonna redact the bad stuff!!!" AGAIN, WAY TOO COMMICAL. Biden Admin legal team had those files for four years under lock and key. THEY KNOW what's in there. No way to redact that which is already known. And if bad shit about Trump was in there it would have anonymously reached the New York Times years ago.
Are you telling me that Epstein went after Trump the same year he died in a prison cell with guards and surveillance all over the place - committing “suicide” - where the guards didn’t check that particular night to a man they had on suicide watch - and Trump was president at the time ? And you thought to bring that up as defendance for Trump - you can hear it yourself can’t you
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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Are you telling me that Epstein went after Trump the same year he died in a prison cell with guards and surveillance all over the place - committing “suicide” - where the guards didn’t check that particular night to a man they had on suicide watch - and Trump was president at the time ? And you thought to bring that up as defendance for Trump - you can hear it yourself can’t you
Think about it... It actually took an act of Congress for these victims to get some justice. This is how deep we have fallen.
And what justice is that? A release of known Epstein communications? OK I guess. But how many people that may have had just a business relationship not knowing Epstein's true self get their name dragged through the mud by being mentioned in the files? Seems to me the victims telling their stories is enough.
And why didn't Biden Admin release the "files"? This answer can be partially found in several courts that had documents sealed. It was, and is, a legal nightmare to untangle.
Back in 2019 a New York Federal Judge (appointed by Clinton no less) closed the case after Epstein's death but had the victims tell their stories first. That was the right thing to do, IMO. Then after this the FBI posted a request to anyone else who wished to come forward and tell their story.
So as far a justice Epstein eluded that by killing himself.
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Think about it... It actually took an act of Congress for these victims to get some justice. This is how deep we have fallen.
And what justice is that? A release of known Epstein communications? OK I guess. But how many people that may have had just a business relationship not knowing Epstein's true self get their name dragged through the mud by being mentioned in the files? Seems to me the victims telling their stories is enough.
And why didn't Biden Admin release the "files"? This answer can be partially found in several courts that had documents sealed. It was, and is, a legal nightmare to untangle.
Back in 2019 a New York Federal Judge (appointed by Clinton no less) closed the case after Epstein's death but had the victims tell their stories first. That was the right thing to do, IMO. Then after this the FBI posted a request to anyone else who wished to come forward and tell their story.
So as far a justice Epstein eluded that by killing himself.
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