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165yds
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Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 5:47 PM ET #101

I read your trash links darkhorse.

Please answer Slim.

Just admit you made a mistake and we can
all move on.  Nature tried to help but really showed
he as well has trouble understand the Constitution.
Just leave the thread darkhorse or we will keep asking.

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I read your trash links darkhorse.

Please answer Slim.

Just admit you made a mistake and we can
all move on.  Nature tried to help but really showed
he as well has trouble understand the Constitution.
Just leave the thread darkhorse or we will keep asking.

 
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Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 5:48 PM ET #102

Personally I don't have a problem with the strikes. Unfortunately the verification process got bogged down at the UN. 

The strikes weren't intended to end the conflict in Syria they were intended to diminsh Assads' chemical weapons capabilities. Additional sanctions are coming for Russia, on Monday I believe.

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Personally I don't have a problem with the strikes. Unfortunately the verification process got bogged down at the UN. 

The strikes weren't intended to end the conflict in Syria they were intended to diminsh Assads' chemical weapons capabilities. Additional sanctions are coming for Russia, on Monday I believe.

Mission Accomplished

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

I read your trash links darkhorse.

Please answer Slim.

Just admit you made a mistake and we can
all move on.  Nature tried to help but really showed
he as well has trouble understand the Constitution.
Just leave the thread darkhorse or we will keep asking.


Just admit you are D A F !
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I read your trash links darkhorse.

Please answer Slim.

Just admit you made a mistake and we can
all move on.  Nature tried to help but really showed
he as well has trouble understand the Constitution.
Just leave the thread darkhorse or we will keep asking.


Just admit you are D A F !
 
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Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

I read your trash links darkhorse.

Please answer Slim.

Just admit you made a mistake and we can
all move on.  Nature tried to help but really showed
he as well has trouble understand the Constitution.
Just leave the thread darkhorse or we will keep asking.


You can read? 
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I read your trash links darkhorse.

Please answer Slim.

Just admit you made a mistake and we can
all move on.  Nature tried to help but really showed
he as well has trouble understand the Constitution.
Just leave the thread darkhorse or we will keep asking.


You can read? 
 
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I'll make it simple for you two. 165 get someone to read this to you.He introduced the Armed Forces of the United States into hostilities without consulting congress when there was no threat to the US, its territories or our armed forces. The link that this is contained ,which 165 you said is a trash link, is called "The War Powers Resolution" a resolution to the War Powers Act of 1941.The war powers act gave to much power to the president so congress made this resolution to dumb down the presidential power and give some of it back to congress.The Act and Resolution both refer to Article I sec 8 of the Constitution.
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I'll make it simple for you two. 165 get someone to read this to you.He introduced the Armed Forces of the United States into hostilities without consulting congress when there was no threat to the US, its territories or our armed forces. The link that this is contained ,which 165 you said is a trash link, is called "The War Powers Resolution" a resolution to the War Powers Act of 1941.The war powers act gave to much power to the president so congress made this resolution to dumb down the presidential power and give some of it back to congress.The Act and Resolution both refer to Article I sec 8 of the Constitution.
 
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One thing I'm getting from all the liberals in thread is...President Trump's actions against Syria does not meet the high standards set by Obama and Hillary Clinton in their air campaign against Libya.........
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By the way, Obama consulted congress about Syria so as not to violate the Constitution.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

One thing I'm getting from all the liberals in thread is...President Trump's actions against Syria does not meet the high standards set by Obama and Hillary Clinton in their air campaign against Libya.........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-administration-libya-action-does-not-require-congressional-approval/2011/06/15/AGLttOWH_story.html?utm_term=.abd755fec4c6

Good read slim. The difference I see is that we had no troops on the ground in Libya but we do have troops on the ground in Syria.

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One thing I'm getting from all the liberals in thread is...President Trump's actions against Syria does not meet the high standards set by Obama and Hillary Clinton in their air campaign against Libya.........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-administration-libya-action-does-not-require-congressional-approval/2011/06/15/AGLttOWH_story.html?utm_term=.abd755fec4c6

Good read slim. The difference I see is that we had no troops on the ground in Libya but we do have troops on the ground in Syria.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-administration-libya-action-does-not-require-congressional-approval/2011/06/15/AGLttOWH_story.html?utm_term=.abd755fec4c6

Good read slim. The difference I see is that we had no troops on the ground in Libya but we do have troops on the ground in Syria.



This is not accurate ...America has acknowledged that we had number of so-called "spotters" on the ground to assist warplanes to target pro-Gaddafi forces....plus other military personnel (explosive-ordnance experts )  who were disabling explosives traps left in our embassy.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-administration-libya-action-does-not-require-congressional-approval/2011/06/15/AGLttOWH_story.html?utm_term=.abd755fec4c6

Good read slim. The difference I see is that we had no troops on the ground in Libya but we do have troops on the ground in Syria.



This is not accurate ...America has acknowledged that we had number of so-called "spotters" on the ground to assist warplanes to target pro-Gaddafi forces....plus other military personnel (explosive-ordnance experts )  who were disabling explosives traps left in our embassy.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



This is not accurate ...America has acknowledged that we had number of so-called "spotters" on the ground to assist warplanes to target pro-Gaddafi forces....plus other military personnel (explosive-ordnance experts )  who were disabling explosives traps left in our embassy.

If that is true and Obama was in the wrong then trump would also be in the wrong, right?

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This is not accurate ...America has acknowledged that we had number of so-called "spotters" on the ground to assist warplanes to target pro-Gaddafi forces....plus other military personnel (explosive-ordnance experts )  who were disabling explosives traps left in our embassy.

If that is true and Obama was in the wrong then trump would also be in the wrong, right?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


If that is true and Obama was in the wrong then trump would also be in the wrong, right?



No !

I made no mention that Obama was wrong in bombing Libya...  only that you saying we had no troops on the ground was an untruth ..there were American troops on the ground when we bombed Libya ...

Plus claiming that Obama consulted congress about Syria...is misleading.. Before launching Operation Odyssey Dawn against Libya, Obama secured authorization from both the Arab League and the United Nations...... But at no point did he ever push for a debate, or vote, in the United States Congress...he only did so after the fact..
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If that is true and Obama was in the wrong then trump would also be in the wrong, right?



No !

I made no mention that Obama was wrong in bombing Libya...  only that you saying we had no troops on the ground was an untruth ..there were American troops on the ground when we bombed Libya ...

Plus claiming that Obama consulted congress about Syria...is misleading.. Before launching Operation Odyssey Dawn against Libya, Obama secured authorization from both the Arab League and the United Nations...... But at no point did he ever push for a debate, or vote, in the United States Congress...he only did so after the fact..
 
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

Posted: 6 minutes ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim: This is not accurate ...America has acknowledged that we had number of so-called "spotters" on the ground to assist warplanes to target pro-Gaddafi forces....plus other military personnel (explosive-ordnance experts )  who were disabling explosives traps left in our embassy. If that is true and Obama was in the wrong then trump would also be in the wrong, right?
Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

Posted: an hour ago "Quote" I'll make it simple for you two. 165 get someone to read this to you.He introduced the Armed Forces of the United States into hostilities without consulting congress when there was no threat to the US, its territories or our armed forces. The link that this is contained ,which 165 you said is a trash link, is called "The War Powers Resolution" a resolution to the War Powers Act of 1941.The war powers act gave to much power to the president so congress made this resolution to dumb down the presidential power and give some of it back to congress.The Act and Resolution both refer to Article I sec 8 of the Constitution.

The Constitutions' Commander in Cheif Clause Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 allows for this type of strike. The international community including the USA and Assad signed a treaty correct? The Chemical Weapons Convention. The US has obligations, as do other nations, to the treaty. The Commander in Cheif Clause allows for this type of strike when enforcing treaty obligations that protect Americans' and/or American interests.

Well agree to disagree on this one. 

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Posted: 6 minutes ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim: This is not accurate ...America has acknowledged that we had number of so-called "spotters" on the ground to assist warplanes to target pro-Gaddafi forces....plus other military personnel (explosive-ordnance experts )  who were disabling explosives traps left in our embassy. If that is true and Obama was in the wrong then trump would also be in the wrong, right?
Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

Posted: an hour ago "Quote" I'll make it simple for you two. 165 get someone to read this to you.He introduced the Armed Forces of the United States into hostilities without consulting congress when there was no threat to the US, its territories or our armed forces. The link that this is contained ,which 165 you said is a trash link, is called "The War Powers Resolution" a resolution to the War Powers Act of 1941.The war powers act gave to much power to the president so congress made this resolution to dumb down the presidential power and give some of it back to congress.The Act and Resolution both refer to Article I sec 8 of the Constitution.

The Constitutions' Commander in Cheif Clause Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 allows for this type of strike. The international community including the USA and Assad signed a treaty correct? The Chemical Weapons Convention. The US has obligations, as do other nations, to the treaty. The Commander in Cheif Clause allows for this type of strike when enforcing treaty obligations that protect Americans' and/or American interests.

Well agree to disagree on this one. 

 
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One difference between Obama bombing Libya and President Trump bombing Syria .....Obama's goal/policy was for regime change .. Obama was demanding an end to violence against the Libyan people and the departure of Gaddafi..

Obama kept saying "Gaddfi must go"...."Colonel Gaddafi must leave Libya now"..

Have you heard President Trump call for Assad to go ?

You haven't ,,,because unlike Obama ..he is not advocating regime change..

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One difference between Obama bombing Libya and President Trump bombing Syria .....Obama's goal/policy was for regime change .. Obama was demanding an end to violence against the Libyan people and the departure of Gaddafi..

Obama kept saying "Gaddfi must go"...."Colonel Gaddafi must leave Libya now"..

Have you heard President Trump call for Assad to go ?

You haven't ,,,because unlike Obama ..he is not advocating regime change..

 
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Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:


The Constitutions' Commander in Cheif Clause Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 allows for this type of strike. The international community including the USA and Assad signed a treaty correct? The Chemical Weapons Convention. The US has obligations, as do other nations, to the treaty. The Commander in Cheif Clause allows for this type of strike when enforcing treaty obligations that protect Americans' and/or American interests.




...... ....

Reducing and deterring Assad's illegal use of chemical weapons is in America’s interests....
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The Constitutions' Commander in Cheif Clause Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 allows for this type of strike. The international community including the USA and Assad signed a treaty correct? The Chemical Weapons Convention. The US has obligations, as do other nations, to the treaty. The Commander in Cheif Clause allows for this type of strike when enforcing treaty obligations that protect Americans' and/or American interests.




...... ....

Reducing and deterring Assad's illegal use of chemical weapons is in America’s interests....
 
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Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

Posted: an hour ago "Quote" I'll make it simple for you two. 165 get someone to read this to you.He introduced the Armed Forces of the United States into hostilities without consulting congress when there was no threat to the US, its territories or our armed forces. The link that this is contained ,which 165 you said is a trash link, is called "The War Powers Resolution" a resolution to the War Powers Act of 1941.The war powers act gave to much power to the president so congress made this resolution to dumb down the presidential power and give some of it back to congress.The Act and Resolution both refer to Article I sec 8 of the Constitution.

The Constitutions' Commander in Cheif Clause Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 allows for this type of strike. The international community including the USA and Assad signed a treaty correct? The Chemical Weapons Convention. The US has obligations, as do other nations, to the treaty. The Commander in Cheif Clause allows for this type of strike when enforcing treaty obligations that protect Americans' and/or American interests.

Well agree to disagree on this one. 


I believe Obama was wrong in Libya and I believe trump is wrong now. The reason I said this is because I don't believe we should be the worlds policeman. We shouldn't have our noses stuck in any ones business. 
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

Posted: an hour ago "Quote" I'll make it simple for you two. 165 get someone to read this to you.He introduced the Armed Forces of the United States into hostilities without consulting congress when there was no threat to the US, its territories or our armed forces. The link that this is contained ,which 165 you said is a trash link, is called "The War Powers Resolution" a resolution to the War Powers Act of 1941.The war powers act gave to much power to the president so congress made this resolution to dumb down the presidential power and give some of it back to congress.The Act and Resolution both refer to Article I sec 8 of the Constitution.

The Constitutions' Commander in Cheif Clause Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 allows for this type of strike. The international community including the USA and Assad signed a treaty correct? The Chemical Weapons Convention. The US has obligations, as do other nations, to the treaty. The Commander in Cheif Clause allows for this type of strike when enforcing treaty obligations that protect Americans' and/or American interests.

Well agree to disagree on this one. 


I believe Obama was wrong in Libya and I believe trump is wrong now. The reason I said this is because I don't believe we should be the worlds policeman. We shouldn't have our noses stuck in any ones business. 
 
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What pisses me off about trump is just the other week he sucks up to the Saudi's as they are killing men women and children in Yemen.

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...... ....

Reducing and deterring Assad's illegal use of chemical weapons is in America’s interests....

BS excuse slim

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Reducing and deterring Assad's illegal use of chemical weapons is in America’s interests....

BS excuse slim

 
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


I believe Obama was wrong in Libya and I believe trump is wrong now. The reason I said this is because I don't believe we should be the worlds policeman. We shouldn't have our noses stuck in any ones business. 


You may believe President is wrong ..but that in no way makes him wrong,just because you believe it to be so...


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I believe Obama was wrong in Libya and I believe trump is wrong now. The reason I said this is because I don't believe we should be the worlds policeman. We shouldn't have our noses stuck in any ones business. 


You may believe President is wrong ..but that in no way makes him wrong,just because you believe it to be so...


 
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You may believe President is wrong ..but that in no way makes him wrong,just because you believe it to be so...



Using your logic slim, post #135 . What you stated doesn't have anything to do with the constitution.
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You may believe President is wrong ..but that in no way makes him wrong,just because you believe it to be so...



Using your logic slim, post #135 . What you stated doesn't have anything to do with the constitution.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

"By the way, Obama (PBUH) consulted congress about Syria so as not to violate the Constitution."

 

Obama (PBUH) was the first US President to enact a law. 

"Congress shall solely enact laws."

The LAW to grant illegal aliens a stay in deportation, eligibility for employment and benefits, was also a double violation of the Constitution, in that it was a LAW in violation of laws already on the books (passed by Congress) regarding immigration and border security.

 

Noone can defend this. It sets a DANGEROUS precedent for future Presidents to BYPASS CONGRESS and enact laws.


He didn't issue a law, it was an executive order similar to Reagan's and Bush's executive orders on immigration .

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/08/al-franken/did-reagan-and-hw-bush-issue-orders-similar-daca-a/
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Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

"By the way, Obama (PBUH) consulted congress about Syria so as not to violate the Constitution."

 

Obama (PBUH) was the first US President to enact a law. 

"Congress shall solely enact laws."

The LAW to grant illegal aliens a stay in deportation, eligibility for employment and benefits, was also a double violation of the Constitution, in that it was a LAW in violation of laws already on the books (passed by Congress) regarding immigration and border security.

 

Noone can defend this. It sets a DANGEROUS precedent for future Presidents to BYPASS CONGRESS and enact laws.


He didn't issue a law, it was an executive order similar to Reagan's and Bush's executive orders on immigration .

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/08/al-franken/did-reagan-and-hw-bush-issue-orders-similar-daca-a/
 
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Using your logic slim, post #135 . What you stated doesn't have anything to do with the constitution.


Did not say that it did ...quit spinning ..just stated the difference between the two actions ..

Never mentioned the Constitution..in #135
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Using your logic slim, post #135 . What you stated doesn't have anything to do with the constitution.


Did not say that it did ...quit spinning ..just stated the difference between the two actions ..

Never mentioned the Constitution..in #135
 
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BS excuse slim



President Trump has just sent a  formal notification to Congress complies with a 1973 congressional resolution requiring the president to disclose when he has committed U.S. troops to military action.

The president has broad authority as commander-in-chief to commit U.S. forces to protect national interests. U.S. air strikes on Syria were in the "vital national security and foreign policy interests" of the United States..............President Trump
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President Trump has just sent a  formal notification to Congress complies with a 1973 congressional resolution requiring the president to disclose when he has committed U.S. troops to military action.

The president has broad authority as commander-in-chief to commit U.S. forces to protect national interests. U.S. air strikes on Syria were in the "vital national security and foreign policy interests" of the United States..............President Trump
 
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 "The LAW to grant illegal aliens a stay in deportation, eligibility for employment and benefits, was also a double violation of the Constitution, in that it was a LAW in violation of laws already on the books (passed by Congress) regarding immigration and border security. "

Darkhorse12 is right.  For decades, common for many presidents and immigration authorities to have wide discretion over immigration policy because of limited resources and impracticality of deporting everyone.  US constitution and congress allow the executive branch broad authority in the administration and enforcement of immigration laws.  So temporary deferral in deportation of illegal immigrants is constitutional according to letter signed by 105 law professors.  Every legal challenge to DACA has failed because DACA is constitutional according to American civil liberty union.

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 "The LAW to grant illegal aliens a stay in deportation, eligibility for employment and benefits, was also a double violation of the Constitution, in that it was a LAW in violation of laws already on the books (passed by Congress) regarding immigration and border security. "

Darkhorse12 is right.  For decades, common for many presidents and immigration authorities to have wide discretion over immigration policy because of limited resources and impracticality of deporting everyone.  US constitution and congress allow the executive branch broad authority in the administration and enforcement of immigration laws.  So temporary deferral in deportation of illegal immigrants is constitutional according to letter signed by 105 law professors.  Every legal challenge to DACA has failed because DACA is constitutional according to American civil liberty union.

 
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I'm down with just deporting everyone. Even dreamers. And none of this "they're entitled to a hearing" jazz either.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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Build the wall
Deport them all ...............

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