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    wallstreetcappers
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2018 - 10:08 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

    Posted: about an hour ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:   Well then you need to take off your partisan glasses and wake up because while you are right about this going on for decades you are wrong about how I said there are ways to handle it.  If NOTHING else this is a situation of taking time to be 100% sure of what these actions will accomplish and that the validity of your reasons are completely legitimate...not just some advisor telling you something, get concrete multiple sources of verification if NOTHING else. Also there is no need for swift action here nor a need for the US to spearhead this, none at all. If Trump and his war buddies really wanted to do what is best for the country and the region and the people then wait until you have a majority of your allies in support...not one or two, but the majority....and do this together only when all other avenues have been attempted first and full concrete proof exists. This is just another Iraq/Desert Storm joke... You’re so out of your league when you talk about a topic you know nothing about.  You act like you’re sitting with generals privy to to top secret info.  Thanks again for fluff response with the most general bland and boring answers ever.  You’re a cliche.

    So how many of the allies signed on to this decision? How many again? 

    How long did Trump take considering this action? Not long because the fake "trigger" event did not happen that long ago. There was no need to make a snap action like this, none...there was no pressing issue, no immediate domestic threat that warranted this decision.

    Trump made a dictatorial decision without consulting congress and without an immediate pressing need, it was right out of the playbook of Bush I and Bush II

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    Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

    Posted: about an hour ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:   Well then you need to take off your partisan glasses and wake up because while you are right about this going on for decades you are wrong about how I said there are ways to handle it.  If NOTHING else this is a situation of taking time to be 100% sure of what these actions will accomplish and that the validity of your reasons are completely legitimate...not just some advisor telling you something, get concrete multiple sources of verification if NOTHING else. Also there is no need for swift action here nor a need for the US to spearhead this, none at all. If Trump and his war buddies really wanted to do what is best for the country and the region and the people then wait until you have a majority of your allies in support...not one or two, but the majority....and do this together only when all other avenues have been attempted first and full concrete proof exists. This is just another Iraq/Desert Storm joke... You’re so out of your league when you talk about a topic you know nothing about.  You act like you’re sitting with generals privy to to top secret info.  Thanks again for fluff response with the most general bland and boring answers ever.  You’re a cliche.

    So how many of the allies signed on to this decision? How many again? 

    How long did Trump take considering this action? Not long because the fake "trigger" event did not happen that long ago. There was no need to make a snap action like this, none...there was no pressing issue, no immediate domestic threat that warranted this decision.

    Trump made a dictatorial decision without consulting congress and without an immediate pressing need, it was right out of the playbook of Bush I and Bush II

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2018 - 10:13 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Righties this and liberals that ....

    Are you saying what President Trump did was against the Constitution ?
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trumps-illegal-attack-on-syria-has-started/

    https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2013/09/what-is-the-war-powers-act-what-does-it-require.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Righties this and liberals that ....

    Are you saying what President Trump did was against the Constitution ?
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trumps-illegal-attack-on-syria-has-started/

    https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2013/09/what-is-the-war-powers-act-what-does-it-require.html

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2018 - 10:26 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    I pray for the families on the USS DONALD COOK . It is a tin coffin next to migs... 



    The U.S. destroyer, the USS Donald Cook...never fired a shot...

    It was a ruse.

    Part of a plan to distract Russia and its Syrian ally from an assault Assad’s government.....It worked brilliantly....... Pentagon officials on Saturday said they faced little resistance to their targeted attack..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    I pray for the families on the USS DONALD COOK . It is a tin coffin next to migs... 



    The U.S. destroyer, the USS Donald Cook...never fired a shot...

    It was a ruse.

    Part of a plan to distract Russia and its Syrian ally from an assault Assad’s government.....It worked brilliantly....... Pentagon officials on Saturday said they faced little resistance to their targeted attack..

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2018 - 10:31 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trumps-illegal-attack-on-syria-has-started/

    https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2013/09/what-is-the-war-powers-act-what-does-it-require.html



    I can't get your cut & paste links to work ...so a head and tell me in your own words...what did President Trump do,that was against the Constitution ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trumps-illegal-attack-on-syria-has-started/

    https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2013/09/what-is-the-war-powers-act-what-does-it-require.html



    I can't get your cut & paste links to work ...so a head and tell me in your own words...what did President Trump do,that was against the Constitution ?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2018 - 10:58 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    I can't get your cut & paste links to work ...so a head and tell me in your own words...what did President Trump do,that was against the Constitution ?

    highlite the link and right click then click on go to

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    I can't get your cut & paste links to work ...so a head and tell me in your own words...what did President Trump do,that was against the Constitution ?

    highlite the link and right click then click on go to

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2018 - 11:59 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    highlite the link and right click then click on go to



    Still doesn't work ..so (if you can ) tell me what was unconstitutional about the attack ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    highlite the link and right click then click on go to



    Still doesn't work ..so (if you can ) tell me what was unconstitutional about the attack ..
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 1:38 AM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Still doesn't work ..so (if you can ) tell me what was unconstitutional about the attack ..

    Type the link in your browser after all I'm just a lazy liberal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Still doesn't work ..so (if you can ) tell me what was unconstitutional about the attack ..

    Type the link in your browser after all I'm just a lazy liberal.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 1:58 AM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Type the link in your browser after all I'm just a lazy liberal.


    Ok,I got this one to work......................https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trumps-illegal-attack-on-syria-has-started/

    ..and the only thing the author say's in regards to the Constitution is : "
    Trump has trampled on the Constitution once again."

    So, I ask you how did he trample on the Constitution ? 

    Explain ,,,because Daniel Larison in the link dosen't say how..just say's he trample on it ...just a broad statement.

    Why do you think what President Trump did in Syria was against the Constitution ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Type the link in your browser after all I'm just a lazy liberal.


    Ok,I got this one to work......................https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trumps-illegal-attack-on-syria-has-started/

    ..and the only thing the author say's in regards to the Constitution is : "
    Trump has trampled on the Constitution once again."

    So, I ask you how did he trample on the Constitution ? 

    Explain ,,,because Daniel Larison in the link dosen't say how..just say's he trample on it ...just a broad statement.

    Why do you think what President Trump did in Syria was against the Constitution ?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 4:24 AM ET #59

    Sabanesque is on fire!
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    Sabanesque is on fire!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 9:00 AM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Posted: Apr. 14, 2018 - 9:24 PM ET "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12: Oh and for all you righties that hold up the constitution when liberals do something you don't agree with, where is your outrage that what trump did was against the constitution? Righties this and liberals that ....Are you saying what President Trump did was against the Constitution ?
    Angus King independent senator Maine “The constitution is clear that congress declares war”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Posted: Apr. 14, 2018 - 9:24 PM ET "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12: Oh and for all you righties that hold up the constitution when liberals do something you don't agree with, where is your outrage that what trump did was against the constitution? Righties this and liberals that ....Are you saying what President Trump did was against the Constitution ?
    Angus King independent senator Maine “The constitution is clear that congress declares war”

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 9:06 AM ET #61

    In that argument an action that can potentially destroy the world in an effort to engage with the largest holder of nuclear weapons (Russia) should be engaged in some dialogue with congressional republicans at least as to the exactly what we are doing if we’re going to blow 50 million on a lesson against Syrian government backed by Russia.

    unless this was just a big show for a demonstration of what the capabilities of the sa400 in Russia media “ the defense system held and responded as it should until it was overwhelmed and then could not keep up with the incoming middle count. 

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    In that argument an action that can potentially destroy the world in an effort to engage with the largest holder of nuclear weapons (Russia) should be engaged in some dialogue with congressional republicans at least as to the exactly what we are doing if we’re going to blow 50 million on a lesson against Syrian government backed by Russia.

    unless this was just a big show for a demonstration of what the capabilities of the sa400 in Russia media “ the defense system held and responded as it should until it was overwhelmed and then could not keep up with the incoming middle count. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 9:07 AM ET #62

    Auto correct Missles- middles 

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    Auto correct Missles- middles 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 9:08 AM ET #63

    Darkhorse, You "got this",  You can do this! Just put your thoughts into words. Don't let your lack of knowledge re: constitutional matters hold you back. Maybe Khizr Kahn can help you out?

    an_popcorn

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    Darkhorse, You "got this",  You can do this! Just put your thoughts into words. Don't let your lack of knowledge re: constitutional matters hold you back. Maybe Khizr Kahn can help you out?

    an_popcorn

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 10:41 AM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Darkhorse, You "got this",  You can do this! Just put your thoughts into words. Don't let your lack of knowledge re: constitutional matters hold you back. Maybe Khizr Kahn can help you out?

    an_popcorn


    Nature just answered for Darkhorse in case you missed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Darkhorse, You "got this",  You can do this! Just put your thoughts into words. Don't let your lack of knowledge re: constitutional matters hold you back. Maybe Khizr Kahn can help you out?

    an_popcorn


    Nature just answered for Darkhorse in case you missed it.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 10:52 AM ET #65

    https://conginst.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/war-powers-1-xl.jpg



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    https://conginst.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/war-powers-1-xl.jpg



     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 10:57 AM ET #66

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:


    Nature just answered for Darkhorse in case you missed it.

    Hockey Puck just needs to get his penny in .
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:


    Nature just answered for Darkhorse in case you missed it.

    Hockey Puck just needs to get his penny in .
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 12:06 PM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Hockey Puck just needs to get his penny in .


    Why not ?..............

    It looks like Nature 1970 is your mouth piece..

    It is true that  ..“The constitution is clear that congress declares war”.........except.

    President Trump's  intervention in Syria does not rise to the level of a war.......if there is protracted intervention a declaration from Congress would be needed..for funding..

     In fact the United States has not officially been to war since World War II, which is the last time Congress declared war  ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Hockey Puck just needs to get his penny in .


    Why not ?..............

    It looks like Nature 1970 is your mouth piece..

    It is true that  ..“The constitution is clear that congress declares war”.........except.

    President Trump's  intervention in Syria does not rise to the level of a war.......if there is protracted intervention a declaration from Congress would be needed..for funding..

     In fact the United States has not officially been to war since World War II, which is the last time Congress declared war  ..
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 12:09 PM ET #68

    Jeff Sachs is right 

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v8wrp0A2zIE

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    Jeff Sachs is right 

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v8wrp0A2zIE

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 12:20 PM ET #69

    Humorous to see people like Wallstreet claim that this is a Republican game plan. They’re completely blind to the truth. The truth is this game plan in Syria was enacted 7 years ago by Obama. He sent in the CIA, backed questionable opposition (ISIS/Al Qaeda) and tried to get rid of Assad. It was a complete disaster that was barely covered by the media. It also created the worst humanitarian crisis since WW2. When Obama did this it brought Russia into Syria instead of just supporting Assad from the sidelines. 
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    Humorous to see people like Wallstreet claim that this is a Republican game plan. They’re completely blind to the truth. The truth is this game plan in Syria was enacted 7 years ago by Obama. He sent in the CIA, backed questionable opposition (ISIS/Al Qaeda) and tried to get rid of Assad. It was a complete disaster that was barely covered by the media. It also created the worst humanitarian crisis since WW2. When Obama did this it brought Russia into Syria instead of just supporting Assad from the sidelines. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 12:21 PM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    President Donald Trump says the United States has "launched precision strikes" on targets associated with Syrian chemical weapons program.


    The President says a "combined operation" with France and the United Kingdom is underway.The U.S. Navy has moved additional Tomahawk missile-armed ship within striking range,,,,

    Syrian President Bashar Assad must learn ,,that President Trump's Red Line ..is really a Red Line....unlike other so called red lines in the past..

    How is ok for President Ronald Reagan support Iraqi Saddam Hussein’s ruthless invasion of Iran, ignoring his more vicious gassing his own people.
    Yet we now jump at the chance without any investigation to punish Assad for basically the same infraction? 
    It's no wonder to me why Islam extremists have little trouble finding followers considering our failed interferences in there region dating back to the CIA's handy work in creating the popular Shah dynasty. Could you imagine what would happen if lets say a country like Russia interfered with are 
    politics how offended this country would be


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    President Donald Trump says the United States has "launched precision strikes" on targets associated with Syrian chemical weapons program.


    The President says a "combined operation" with France and the United Kingdom is underway.The U.S. Navy has moved additional Tomahawk missile-armed ship within striking range,,,,

    Syrian President Bashar Assad must learn ,,that President Trump's Red Line ..is really a Red Line....unlike other so called red lines in the past..

    How is ok for President Ronald Reagan support Iraqi Saddam Hussein’s ruthless invasion of Iran, ignoring his more vicious gassing his own people.
    Yet we now jump at the chance without any investigation to punish Assad for basically the same infraction? 
    It's no wonder to me why Islam extremists have little trouble finding followers considering our failed interferences in there region dating back to the CIA's handy work in creating the popular Shah dynasty. Could you imagine what would happen if lets say a country like Russia interfered with are 
    politics how offended this country would be


     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 12:41 PM ET #71

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Posted: 2 hours ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth: Darkhorse, You "got this",  You can do this! Just put your thoughts into words. Don't let your lack of knowledge re: constitutional matters hold you back. Maybe Khizr Kahn can help you out? Nature just answered for Darkhorse in case you missed it.

    I read natures post, i enjoy his contributions the the political forum. I dont agree with him lol, but i do appreciate his opinion. 

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Posted: 2 hours ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth: Darkhorse, You "got this",  You can do this! Just put your thoughts into words. Don't let your lack of knowledge re: constitutional matters hold you back. Maybe Khizr Kahn can help you out? Nature just answered for Darkhorse in case you missed it.

    I read natures post, i enjoy his contributions the the political forum. I dont agree with him lol, but i do appreciate his opinion. 

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 12:59 PM ET #72

    Hockey Puck just needs to get his penny in .[image from unapproved source]

    Speaking of pennies..donate your "two cents worth", in your own words....like nature did.

    I know exactly why the strike is not in violation of the constitution. After you post your reasoning ill quote the article, section and clause supporting mine. 

    Now back to Slims' request....

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    Hockey Puck just needs to get his penny in .[image from unapproved source]

    Speaking of pennies..donate your "two cents worth", in your own words....like nature did.

    I know exactly why the strike is not in violation of the constitution. After you post your reasoning ill quote the article, section and clause supporting mine. 

    Now back to Slims' request....

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 1:39 PM ET #73

    The opinions I miss are sheik mattbrot and club dirt. But every opinion as long as it is true to the one delivered has merits to me I read a heck of lot more than I post. 

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    The opinions I miss are sheik mattbrot and club dirt. But every opinion as long as it is true to the one delivered has merits to me I read a heck of lot more than I post. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 2:43 PM ET #74

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Why not ?..............

    It looks like Nature 1970 is your mouth piece..

    It is true that  ..“The constitution is clear that congress declares war”.........except.

    President Trump's  intervention in Syria does not rise to the level of a war.......if there is protracted intervention a declaration from Congress would be needed..for funding..

     In fact the United States has not officially been to war since World War II, which is the last time Congress declared war  ..

    https://conginst.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/war-powers-1-xl.jpg

    Read it slim 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Why not ?..............

    It looks like Nature 1970 is your mouth piece..

    It is true that  ..“The constitution is clear that congress declares war”.........except.

    President Trump's  intervention in Syria does not rise to the level of a war.......if there is protracted intervention a declaration from Congress would be needed..for funding..

     In fact the United States has not officially been to war since World War II, which is the last time Congress declared war  ..

    https://conginst.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/war-powers-1-xl.jpg

    Read it slim 
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 3:10 PM ET #75

    There is no altruistic/ democratic/ Christian/ Conservative/ American solution for ANYTHING in this region, there is no soft way of dealing with the root issues there....which is religious based. 

    The crimes are awful, no question about it and have been for centuries irregardless of leader or which party had control of the POTUS and congress. There is no way we can resolve the issues there because they root deeper than politics.

    So while Saddam was terrible at least he kept the root problems under control and now we see what happens when you remove a dictator who crushes the religious fighting, then the extremist get to start attacking their enemies and more people die, the country infrastructure crumbles and much worse damage taking much longer to repair ensues.

    Given that it is a FACT we have never stopped the religious fighting in that part of the world, what else is there left to do? Do we remove a dicator like we did in Iraq and burn trillions of dollars and millions of lives so now the religious groups can form their own power bases and fight each other until the end of the world? Is that a solid solution? Is a solution that we try and occupy these places and force democracy on them and kill millions of US soldiers, many trillions of dollars and millions of civilians?

    I'd take the approach which does the LEAST damage and gives the greatest chance at freedoms possible and scrap the altruistic democratic christian whatever approach which NEVER stands a chance and only does more harm. There is no way anyone can think that removing Assad will make things better...even if the guy is removed and the place is nuked, everyone dead all that does is give more real estate for the neighboring religious extremists to fight each other...because there is an endless flow of religious hate from country to country right there and it will never stop until the world is destroyed.

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    There is no altruistic/ democratic/ Christian/ Conservative/ American solution for ANYTHING in this region, there is no soft way of dealing with the root issues there....which is religious based. 

    The crimes are awful, no question about it and have been for centuries irregardless of leader or which party had control of the POTUS and congress. There is no way we can resolve the issues there because they root deeper than politics.

    So while Saddam was terrible at least he kept the root problems under control and now we see what happens when you remove a dictator who crushes the religious fighting, then the extremist get to start attacking their enemies and more people die, the country infrastructure crumbles and much worse damage taking much longer to repair ensues.

    Given that it is a FACT we have never stopped the religious fighting in that part of the world, what else is there left to do? Do we remove a dicator like we did in Iraq and burn trillions of dollars and millions of lives so now the religious groups can form their own power bases and fight each other until the end of the world? Is that a solid solution? Is a solution that we try and occupy these places and force democracy on them and kill millions of US soldiers, many trillions of dollars and millions of civilians?

    I'd take the approach which does the LEAST damage and gives the greatest chance at freedoms possible and scrap the altruistic democratic christian whatever approach which NEVER stands a chance and only does more harm. There is no way anyone can think that removing Assad will make things better...even if the guy is removed and the place is nuked, everyone dead all that does is give more real estate for the neighboring religious extremists to fight each other...because there is an endless flow of religious hate from country to country right there and it will never stop until the world is destroyed.

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