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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2023 - 9:39 PM ET #2251

     

     

     

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    Ukrainian 575 reeper destroys nuclear equipped t22 fighter . This was not in sky but on a base.

     

    Hoping no civilians were killed, but

    International support for Ukraine is pouring in on the heels of a Ukraine-Balkans summit held in Athens, Greece.

    Ten Balkan and European countries signed a joint declaration to express their support for Ukraine on Tuesday.

     

     

     

     

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    Ukrainian 575 reeper destroys nuclear equipped t22 fighter . This was not in sky but on a base.

     

    Hoping no civilians were killed, but

    International support for Ukraine is pouring in on the heels of a Ukraine-Balkans summit held in Athens, Greece.

    Ten Balkan and European countries signed a joint declaration to express their support for Ukraine on Tuesday.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2023 - 12:04 AM ET #2252

    War is a nasty affair. 

    Ukraine continues to kill maim and destroy Russians and their mercenaries whether they hide behind human shields or whether the reside outside of the Ukrainian theater. Ukraine will continue to destroy Russians.  Without a cease fire without peace negotiates until Russians no longer occupy Ukraine.

    They have begun a standard no prisoner no mercy no negotiate...

    Until Russia is no longer a threat to their sovereignty.  They negotiated a treaty to allow grain exports Russia violated that agreement they signed a non proliferation treaty with Russia Russia violated that they didn't bomb Moscow first now they assault that city as Moscow did Marisol. They not going to stop...

    U til every russian in Ukraine is gone or dead...

    Winter approaches and Moscow wants to negotiate . Kyiv is not going to talk with Russia until Russia removes its troops to a pre 2014 Olympic stage and it liberates Ukraine from the dictator Putin. 

    Putin would like to travel and participate in the brick summit. But interpol won't rescind the warrant. Russia would like to address the world in the Un. But not many countries remain in there seat.

    Russian generals stated they will nuke any cou try that arrests putin. And nato states if tou use nuclear weop9ns we will vaporize every russian city from Moscow to kamachka.

    Russian propagand and fear m I needing has led Russia to a point where they are now shunned by every free nation around the world.

    Those nations took e ery possession of the russian oligarchs world wide assets. Their cards don't work. Now Russia is pleading to d a af ears. Russia either surrenders their world dominance ideals or their will be much suffering for the russian people. 

    Putin is now dying of cancer. And can get no treatment for his disease from western nations...the russian military has already matinee. And divided itself.... Russia options are limited ..

    Two choices withdraw or die...

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    War is a nasty affair. 

    Ukraine continues to kill maim and destroy Russians and their mercenaries whether they hide behind human shields or whether the reside outside of the Ukrainian theater. Ukraine will continue to destroy Russians.  Without a cease fire without peace negotiates until Russians no longer occupy Ukraine.

    They have begun a standard no prisoner no mercy no negotiate...

    Until Russia is no longer a threat to their sovereignty.  They negotiated a treaty to allow grain exports Russia violated that agreement they signed a non proliferation treaty with Russia Russia violated that they didn't bomb Moscow first now they assault that city as Moscow did Marisol. They not going to stop...

    U til every russian in Ukraine is gone or dead...

    Winter approaches and Moscow wants to negotiate . Kyiv is not going to talk with Russia until Russia removes its troops to a pre 2014 Olympic stage and it liberates Ukraine from the dictator Putin. 

    Putin would like to travel and participate in the brick summit. But interpol won't rescind the warrant. Russia would like to address the world in the Un. But not many countries remain in there seat.

    Russian generals stated they will nuke any cou try that arrests putin. And nato states if tou use nuclear weop9ns we will vaporize every russian city from Moscow to kamachka.

    Russian propagand and fear m I needing has led Russia to a point where they are now shunned by every free nation around the world.

    Those nations took e ery possession of the russian oligarchs world wide assets. Their cards don't work. Now Russia is pleading to d a af ears. Russia either surrenders their world dominance ideals or their will be much suffering for the russian people. 

    Putin is now dying of cancer. And can get no treatment for his disease from western nations...the russian military has already matinee. And divided itself.... Russia options are limited ..

    Two choices withdraw or die...

     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2023 - 7:21 AM ET #2253

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    War is a nasty affair.  Ukraine continues to kill maim and destroy Russians and their mercenaries whether they hide behind human shields or whether the reside outside of the Ukrainian theater. Ukraine will continue to destroy Russians.  Without a cease fire without peace negotiates until Russians no longer occupy Ukraine. They have begun a standard no prisoner no mercy no negotiate... Until Russia is no longer a threat to their sovereignty.  They negotiated a treaty to allow grain exports Russia violated that agreement they signed a non proliferation treaty with Russia Russia violated that they didn't bomb Moscow first now they assault that city as Moscow did Marisol. They not going to stop... U til every russian in Ukraine is gone or dead... Winter approaches and Moscow wants to negotiate . Kyiv is not going to talk with Russia until Russia removes its troops to a pre 2014 Olympic stage and it liberates Ukraine from the dictator Putin.  Putin would like to travel and participate in the brick summit. But interpol won't rescind the warrant. Russia would like to address the world in the Un. But not many countries remain in there seat. Russian generals stated they will nuke any cou try that arrests putin. And nato states if tou use nuclear weop9ns we will vaporize every russian city from Moscow to kamachka. Russian propagand and fear m I needing has led Russia to a point where they are now shunned by every free nation around the world. Those nations took e ery possession of the russian oligarchs world wide assets. Their cards don't work. Now Russia is pleading to d a af ears. Russia either surrenders their world dominance ideals or their will be much suffering for the russian people.  Putin is now dying of cancer. And can get no treatment for his disease from western nations...the russian military has already matinee. And divided itself.... Russia options are limited .. Two choices withdraw or die...
    ROFL!!! Do yourself a favor and listen to the Colonel in the video posted by Uniman. I guarantee you will not come to that same conclusion. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    War is a nasty affair.  Ukraine continues to kill maim and destroy Russians and their mercenaries whether they hide behind human shields or whether the reside outside of the Ukrainian theater. Ukraine will continue to destroy Russians.  Without a cease fire without peace negotiates until Russians no longer occupy Ukraine. They have begun a standard no prisoner no mercy no negotiate... Until Russia is no longer a threat to their sovereignty.  They negotiated a treaty to allow grain exports Russia violated that agreement they signed a non proliferation treaty with Russia Russia violated that they didn't bomb Moscow first now they assault that city as Moscow did Marisol. They not going to stop... U til every russian in Ukraine is gone or dead... Winter approaches and Moscow wants to negotiate . Kyiv is not going to talk with Russia until Russia removes its troops to a pre 2014 Olympic stage and it liberates Ukraine from the dictator Putin.  Putin would like to travel and participate in the brick summit. But interpol won't rescind the warrant. Russia would like to address the world in the Un. But not many countries remain in there seat. Russian generals stated they will nuke any cou try that arrests putin. And nato states if tou use nuclear weop9ns we will vaporize every russian city from Moscow to kamachka. Russian propagand and fear m I needing has led Russia to a point where they are now shunned by every free nation around the world. Those nations took e ery possession of the russian oligarchs world wide assets. Their cards don't work. Now Russia is pleading to d a af ears. Russia either surrenders their world dominance ideals or their will be much suffering for the russian people.  Putin is now dying of cancer. And can get no treatment for his disease from western nations...the russian military has already matinee. And divided itself.... Russia options are limited .. Two choices withdraw or die...
    ROFL!!! Do yourself a favor and listen to the Colonel in the video posted by Uniman. I guarantee you will not come to that same conclusion. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2023 - 7:48 AM ET #2254

    Nuke, nuke, vaporize, vaporize, entire cities.

    How nice is that? 

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    Nuke, nuke, vaporize, vaporize, entire cities.

    How nice is that? 

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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2023 - 9:12 PM ET #2255

    Ukrainian government has agreed to certa8n I Teresa's of both Ukraine and Russia 

    1 Ukraine will invade Russia.

    And chimera should be decided by chimera so I'm diplomatic negation I stead of military assault 

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    Ukrainian government has agreed to certa8n I Teresa's of both Ukraine and Russia 

    1 Ukraine will invade Russia.

    And chimera should be decided by chimera so I'm diplomatic negation I stead of military assault 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2023 - 9:29 PM ET #2256

    Source https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/zelenskyy-abc-russia-ukraine-war-end-thoughts-us/story?id=100903255

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    Source https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/zelenskyy-abc-russia-ukraine-war-end-thoughts-us/story?id=100903255

     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2023 - 10:48 PM ET #2257

    Russia removing advanced weaponry from Ukraine.

    https://gagadget.com/en/tanks/301450-russia-has-officially-announced-the-withdrawal-from-ukraine-of-the-most-advanced-t-14-armata-tanks-worth-5-million-/

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    Russia removing advanced weaponry from Ukraine.

    https://gagadget.com/en/tanks/301450-russia-has-officially-announced-the-withdrawal-from-ukraine-of-the-most-advanced-t-14-armata-tanks-worth-5-million-/

     
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    Posted: Aug. 29, 2023 - 9:24 PM ET #2258

    Kill as soulless commie russian zombies as beaded in sight.

    Remove them. And allow the iron dome to stop ophienets toy from destroying earth.

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    Kill as soulless commie russian zombies as beaded in sight.

    Remove them. And allow the iron dome to stop ophienets toy from destroying earth.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Russia removing advanced weaponry from Ukraine. https://gagadget.com/en/tanks/301450-russia-has-officially-announced-the-withdrawal-from-ukraine-of-the-most-advanced-t-14-armata-tanks-worth-5-million-/

    not certain  but  i think this roughly coincides with the arriving usa abrams tanks and soon some f-16s

    or is putin just now realizing he wont get want he wants ??

    what do u think , nature1970 ?

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Russia removing advanced weaponry from Ukraine. https://gagadget.com/en/tanks/301450-russia-has-officially-announced-the-withdrawal-from-ukraine-of-the-most-advanced-t-14-armata-tanks-worth-5-million-/

    not certain  but  i think this roughly coincides with the arriving usa abrams tanks and soon some f-16s

    or is putin just now realizing he wont get want he wants ??

    what do u think , nature1970 ?

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2023 - 6:55 AM ET #2260

    @kelly, promising something like tanks or jets, and actually delivering weapons to a trained crew to operate and maintain the equipment is a huge time concern.  

     

    What Russia underestimated was ukraines ability to construct and deliver 9ne way ordinances. Drones. 

    he Institute for the Study of War, a U.S.-based think tank, said in analysis of the conflict in Ukraine on Wednesday that Russian forces may have focused their air defenses on covering the capital, Moscow, and somehow missed the unusually large number of Ukrainian drones that reportedly struck the Pskov airfield.

    The think tank said Russian sources, including the Russian Ministry of Defense, claimed that Russian air defenses and electronic warfare systems had downed Ukrainian drones over Oryol, Tula, Voronezh, Ryazan, Kaluga, Bryansk, and Moscow regions.

    As far as nice war isn't nice it brings out the worst in humans. The military it's personal and weapon system is designed to murder people and destroy things. 

    That is its soul at the core. 

    Reference , art of war .

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    @kelly, promising something like tanks or jets, and actually delivering weapons to a trained crew to operate and maintain the equipment is a huge time concern.  

     

    What Russia underestimated was ukraines ability to construct and deliver 9ne way ordinances. Drones. 

    he Institute for the Study of War, a U.S.-based think tank, said in analysis of the conflict in Ukraine on Wednesday that Russian forces may have focused their air defenses on covering the capital, Moscow, and somehow missed the unusually large number of Ukrainian drones that reportedly struck the Pskov airfield.

    The think tank said Russian sources, including the Russian Ministry of Defense, claimed that Russian air defenses and electronic warfare systems had downed Ukrainian drones over Oryol, Tula, Voronezh, Ryazan, Kaluga, Bryansk, and Moscow regions.

    As far as nice war isn't nice it brings out the worst in humans. The military it's personal and weapon system is designed to murder people and destroy things. 

    That is its soul at the core. 

    Reference , art of war .

     
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    Will the joe biden regime go to a 'hot war' with Russia? They just might. Why? To invoke the War Powers Act. The War Powers Act will eliminate the election of 2024! Imagine that! There are not enough Dizzy's, fubah's, Kelly's and WSC's to defeat the current legitimate POTUS named Donald John Trump! 

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    Will the joe biden regime go to a 'hot war' with Russia? They just might. Why? To invoke the War Powers Act. The War Powers Act will eliminate the election of 2024! Imagine that! There are not enough Dizzy's, fubah's, Kelly's and WSC's to defeat the current legitimate POTUS named Donald John Trump! 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2023 - 12:53 PM ET #2262

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    @kelly, promising something like tanks or jets, and actually delivering weapons to a trained crew to operate and maintain the equipment is a huge time concern.     What Russia underestimated was ukraines ability to construct and deliver 9ne way ordinances. Drones. 

    Hoping that accelerates and continues until the Russky invaders are driven out all Ukraine lands.

     

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    @kelly, promising something like tanks or jets, and actually delivering weapons to a trained crew to operate and maintain the equipment is a huge time concern.     What Russia underestimated was ukraines ability to construct and deliver 9ne way ordinances. Drones. 

    Hoping that accelerates and continues until the Russky invaders are driven out all Ukraine lands.

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Very interesting how the Leftist Media again jumps to report without the facts when it supports their narrative; yet, are slow to retract their earlier reporting and just hope it goes away.  For example a good question:

    "Now, how many Western news outlets that published the "Russian attack" on the market are going to retract their story and point blame at Ukraine given evidence has come out? Will Blinken retract his accusations of the attack and state once and for all it was Ukraine? That's right, they won't. They will continue to lie and bury the truth from the public."

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    Very interesting how the Leftist Media again jumps to report without the facts when it supports their narrative; yet, are slow to retract their earlier reporting and just hope it goes away.  For example a good question:

    "Now, how many Western news outlets that published the "Russian attack" on the market are going to retract their story and point blame at Ukraine given evidence has come out? Will Blinken retract his accusations of the attack and state once and for all it was Ukraine? That's right, they won't. They will continue to lie and bury the truth from the public."

     
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     The missile strike in Kostiantynivka.  Right away Zelensky came out and blamed Russia after it killed 15 and injured 30 folks.  

    Now all of the evidence from the site and satellite imagery indicates it was an Ukraine missile that went off course and hit the market in town.

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     The missile strike in Kostiantynivka.  Right away Zelensky came out and blamed Russia after it killed 15 and injured 30 folks.  

    Now all of the evidence from the site and satellite imagery indicates it was an Ukraine missile that went off course and hit the market in town.

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    @Midnight1  I know you will be the only one in here to play this game, respect.... Putin voluntarily giving up his power is a really funny joke.  We all know that's not gonna happen.  Crimea stays as is and the claimed Donbass territories will go to Russia.  They don't get Kiev or anything else....unless Putin gets off'd, thats the best case scenario vs. nukes.

    While I'm stopping by....one year later, I stand by my prognostication.... 

    When the dollars stop flowing slavi ukraini will be when the peace agreement is made....still lots of defense contractor money to be made / laundered for the global elites.  BlackRock and company is ready & waiting in the wings to to begin money launder & resource pillage part II, whoops...I mean, rebuild the Country an_wink

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    @Midnight1  I know you will be the only one in here to play this game, respect.... Putin voluntarily giving up his power is a really funny joke.  We all know that's not gonna happen.  Crimea stays as is and the claimed Donbass territories will go to Russia.  They don't get Kiev or anything else....unless Putin gets off'd, thats the best case scenario vs. nukes.

    While I'm stopping by....one year later, I stand by my prognostication.... 

    When the dollars stop flowing slavi ukraini will be when the peace agreement is made....still lots of defense contractor money to be made / laundered for the global elites.  BlackRock and company is ready & waiting in the wings to to begin money launder & resource pillage part II, whoops...I mean, rebuild the Country an_wink

     
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    Well, that didn't take long.... 

     

    White House warns Israel crisis is stretching its ability to support Ukraine:  “Running out of runway”

    Biden administration moving with ‘sense of alacrity’ as John Kirby says aid won’t be ‘indefinite’

     The White House said it was “running out of runway” on supporting both Ukraine and Israel as US Republican lawmakers warned they would protest any funding request for military aid from the Biden administration for the two crisis-hit nations.

    “I think in the immediate term, right now, we can continue to support – with the authorities in the appropriations we have – Israel and Ukraine.  But, you know, we’re ... certainly running out of runway,” said John Kirby, a spokesperson for the National Security Council.

    Mr Kirby was answering a question at a daily briefing on the administration meeting the immediate needs of Ukraine and Israel along with the continuing fight to elect a House Speaker

    Mr Kirby said the US administration had the means to support both Israel and Ukraine in the near term. “But you don’t want to be trying to bake in long-term support when you’re at the end of the rope,” he said on Wednesday.

    “And on the Ukraine funding, we’re coming near to the end of the rope.  I mean, today we announced $200mn, and we’ll keep that aid going as long as we can, but it’s not going to be indefinite,” he said, adding that the US is moving with “a sense of alacrity”.

    He added a certain date could not be put on “near term” because it hinged on Ukraine’s expenditure rate and replenishment ability.

    The National Security Council coordinator also said the House Speaker position was critical in terms of bringing legislation to the floor and moving things forward.

    “So the sooner that there’s a Speaker of the House, obviously, the more comfortable we’ll all be in terms of being able to support Israel and Ukraine,” he said.

    The White House has been considering a budget request tying money for these two conflicts together to increase the chances that the heavily-debated assistance for Ukraine will be approved.

     

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    White House warns Israel crisis is stretching its ability to support Ukraine:  “Running out of runway”

    Biden administration moving with ‘sense of alacrity’ as John Kirby says aid won’t be ‘indefinite’

     The White House said it was “running out of runway” on supporting both Ukraine and Israel as US Republican lawmakers warned they would protest any funding request for military aid from the Biden administration for the two crisis-hit nations.

    “I think in the immediate term, right now, we can continue to support – with the authorities in the appropriations we have – Israel and Ukraine.  But, you know, we’re ... certainly running out of runway,” said John Kirby, a spokesperson for the National Security Council.

    Mr Kirby was answering a question at a daily briefing on the administration meeting the immediate needs of Ukraine and Israel along with the continuing fight to elect a House Speaker

    Mr Kirby said the US administration had the means to support both Israel and Ukraine in the near term. “But you don’t want to be trying to bake in long-term support when you’re at the end of the rope,” he said on Wednesday.

    “And on the Ukraine funding, we’re coming near to the end of the rope.  I mean, today we announced $200mn, and we’ll keep that aid going as long as we can, but it’s not going to be indefinite,” he said, adding that the US is moving with “a sense of alacrity”.

    He added a certain date could not be put on “near term” because it hinged on Ukraine’s expenditure rate and replenishment ability.

    The National Security Council coordinator also said the House Speaker position was critical in terms of bringing legislation to the floor and moving things forward.

    “So the sooner that there’s a Speaker of the House, obviously, the more comfortable we’ll all be in terms of being able to support Israel and Ukraine,” he said.

    The White House has been considering a budget request tying money for these two conflicts together to increase the chances that the heavily-debated assistance for Ukraine will be approved.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @cdog8043  IMO any resolution cannot include Russia gaining/taking any Ukraine territory.  Sure, we won't join NATO until we join NATO. Citizens taken from Ukraine cities must be returned.  The sanctions remain in place & seized planes/yachts are returned to their owners. And for Russia, they get to go home & not publicly admit fault which allows them to save some face but that's about it. Their economy already is horrible & let them try to survive with China, India & the Saudis as economic partners. Sounds like a plan to me....

    Mid.... you stated this multiple times since the war began.... here we are coming up on 2 years later and that is exactly what is going to happen.  Russian control of Eastern Ukrainian lands that moving forward, will be under Russian control to create a "land buffer" between Russia and Western powers.  This plus the demilitarization of Ukraine (one of Putin's goals), billions and billions of US monetary & military aid spent....and for what exactly?  

    Just another example of failed US foreign policy....Afghan, Iraq II, Vietnam.... what did American "gain" from these conflicts.  Students of history know the intentions going into each example and know how those intentions and goals failed to live up to expectations.  Once again, this time with a proxy war, failure.

    One day the US, and the world, might learn lessons from history and not go blindly into the support under the false pretenses government and their media portray, spoon feeding the sheep.  Only for the next generation a decade or so later to realize the mistakes of their elders but not learn from them.  This thread is a perfect example of the western narratives being fed at the outset of the war versus what the truth and reality actually is today. 

    Those "forever Ukraini" types who banged the war drum and insisted Putin "won't get an inch of Ukrainian land".....where are they now??  Their world views turned upside down?  Nope, likley not... they will just forget and move on, the disappointment tucked away within or just plain denial.  Sad that some can't learn from history, it is all right there in front of us, no excuse really.  

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    @cdog8043  IMO any resolution cannot include Russia gaining/taking any Ukraine territory.  Sure, we won't join NATO until we join NATO. Citizens taken from Ukraine cities must be returned.  The sanctions remain in place & seized planes/yachts are returned to their owners. And for Russia, they get to go home & not publicly admit fault which allows them to save some face but that's about it. Their economy already is horrible & let them try to survive with China, India & the Saudis as economic partners. Sounds like a plan to me....

    Mid.... you stated this multiple times since the war began.... here we are coming up on 2 years later and that is exactly what is going to happen.  Russian control of Eastern Ukrainian lands that moving forward, will be under Russian control to create a "land buffer" between Russia and Western powers.  This plus the demilitarization of Ukraine (one of Putin's goals), billions and billions of US monetary & military aid spent....and for what exactly?  

    Just another example of failed US foreign policy....Afghan, Iraq II, Vietnam.... what did American "gain" from these conflicts.  Students of history know the intentions going into each example and know how those intentions and goals failed to live up to expectations.  Once again, this time with a proxy war, failure.

    One day the US, and the world, might learn lessons from history and not go blindly into the support under the false pretenses government and their media portray, spoon feeding the sheep.  Only for the next generation a decade or so later to realize the mistakes of their elders but not learn from them.  This thread is a perfect example of the western narratives being fed at the outset of the war versus what the truth and reality actually is today. 

    Those "forever Ukraini" types who banged the war drum and insisted Putin "won't get an inch of Ukrainian land".....where are they now??  Their world views turned upside down?  Nope, likley not... they will just forget and move on, the disappointment tucked away within or just plain denial.  Sad that some can't learn from history, it is all right there in front of us, no excuse really.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074: @nature1970   I never supported the invasions of Afghanistan or Iraq...I have alternative news' sources and one of them is not Fox News which is pro war with Ukraine. I do watch some of the Tucker Carlson shows as I consider him to be one of the few true journalists left in the country. Why do you believe that mainstream media is being honest with you? They are all owned by 7 oligarchs and are mouthpieces of the corporatists.  Your point is that the Russians haven't launched their missiles yet...how about anticipating their next move??? More provocations will lead to you being incinerated but that doesn't seem to set off alarm bells in your mind?  Russian history has led me to believe that nuclear war is unavoidable now as long as Biden and his puppet masters are in charge. I doubt you know anything about Russian history...why provoke them on THEIR Western border? The Russians were invaded twice in the 20th century and paid a huge price in blood...truth is a menace and logic is an enemy with you warmongering psychotics, so I know I am wasting my time. I am 70/30 sure that thermonuclear war will occur...and I lived through the cold war with Russia...you didn't. This has a different feel to it...Russian leaders are openly threatening nuclear retaliation...this never happened in the 50s or 60s or 70s... Then build your bomb shelter continue preparing for this unending threats. Russia will be stopped in Ukraine.  Most likely end in a east / west Ukraine and Moscow keeps crimerea. I am familiar with Russian history took my tour of western civilization in college. But the threat of nuclear war is old . And I believe Moscow won't launch .

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074: @nature1970   I never supported the invasions of Afghanistan or Iraq...I have alternative news' sources and one of them is not Fox News which is pro war with Ukraine. I do watch some of the Tucker Carlson shows as I consider him to be one of the few true journalists left in the country. Why do you believe that mainstream media is being honest with you? They are all owned by 7 oligarchs and are mouthpieces of the corporatists.  Your point is that the Russians haven't launched their missiles yet...how about anticipating their next move??? More provocations will lead to you being incinerated but that doesn't seem to set off alarm bells in your mind?  Russian history has led me to believe that nuclear war is unavoidable now as long as Biden and his puppet masters are in charge. I doubt you know anything about Russian history...why provoke them on THEIR Western border? The Russians were invaded twice in the 20th century and paid a huge price in blood...truth is a menace and logic is an enemy with you warmongering psychotics, so I know I am wasting my time. I am 70/30 sure that thermonuclear war will occur...and I lived through the cold war with Russia...you didn't. This has a different feel to it...Russian leaders are openly threatening nuclear retaliation...this never happened in the 50s or 60s or 70s... Then build your bomb shelter continue preparing for this unending threats. Russia will be stopped in Ukraine.  Most likely end in a east / west Ukraine and Moscow keeps crimerea. I am familiar with Russian history took my tour of western civilization in college. But the threat of nuclear war is old . And I believe Moscow won't launch .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: It amounts to a genuine arsh kicking    by a group of peasant farmers. They failed in their offensive to take Kyiv And have retreated to the eastern edge of Ukraine. So in a failed invasion they get land????  Sharp as milk jug move .... Terrific point    Russia is not negotiating from any position of strength.  It's the other way around, in fact. I say make a trade.  Allow them to keep Crimea legally, but in return for permanently exiting Donbass, giving up the Kalingrad enclave to Poland, returning all Ukraine and Western citizens from Russian detention, and full reparations for all theft and damage they caused in Ukraine (including Donbass) or no deal.   there will be no EXIT from Donbass…  you guys are truly clueless if you think that is a realistic possibility.   book mark me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: It amounts to a genuine arsh kicking    by a group of peasant farmers. They failed in their offensive to take Kyiv And have retreated to the eastern edge of Ukraine. So in a failed invasion they get land????  Sharp as milk jug move .... Terrific point    Russia is not negotiating from any position of strength.  It's the other way around, in fact. I say make a trade.  Allow them to keep Crimea legally, but in return for permanently exiting Donbass, giving up the Kalingrad enclave to Poland, returning all Ukraine and Western citizens from Russian detention, and full reparations for all theft and damage they caused in Ukraine (including Donbass) or no deal.   there will be no EXIT from Donbass…  you guys are truly clueless if you think that is a realistic possibility.   book mark me.

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    TIME Magazine that had named Zelensky "Man of the Year" now quotes one of Zelensky's closest aids;

     

    https://time.com/6329188/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-interview/

    The aide said Zelensky "deludes himself," adding, "We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that." The report said that the idea of negotiating peace or a temporary truce with Russia remains taboo to Zelensky.

    In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition. One of Zelensky’s close aides tells me that even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them.” 

    Amid all the pressure to root out corruption, I assumed, perhaps naively, that officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds. But when I made this point to a top presidential adviser in early October, he asked me to turn off my audio recorder so he could speak more freely. “Simon, you’re mistaken,” he says. “People are stealing like there’s no tomorrow.” 

     

    This is really sad. A preventable war, preventable deaths.

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    https://time.com/6329188/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-interview/

    The aide said Zelensky "deludes himself," adding, "We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that." The report said that the idea of negotiating peace or a temporary truce with Russia remains taboo to Zelensky.

    In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition. One of Zelensky’s close aides tells me that even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them.” 

    Amid all the pressure to root out corruption, I assumed, perhaps naively, that officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds. But when I made this point to a top presidential adviser in early October, he asked me to turn off my audio recorder so he could speak more freely. “Simon, you’re mistaken,” he says. “People are stealing like there’s no tomorrow.” 

     

    This is really sad. A preventable war, preventable deaths.

     
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     If someone comes on to your propety & begins taking control of your front yard are you going to negotiate with them? 

    Of course not. You would fight like hell to protect your propeyty & your family.

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     If someone comes on to your propety & begins taking control of your front yard are you going to negotiate with them? 

    Of course not. You would fight like hell to protect your propeyty & your family.

     
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    Arizona and Texas have now entered the chat and are interested in how this conversation goes. 

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    Arizona and Texas have now entered the chat and are interested in how this conversation goes. 

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    Exactly right Raiders.... ,Biden is only interested in protecting a border thousands of miles away,  ... that isn't even ours.

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    Exactly right Raiders.... ,Biden is only interested in protecting a border thousands of miles away,  ... that isn't even ours.

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