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Posted: #851

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

FAKE ruble?

London (CNN Business)
The barrage of sanctions imposed by the West (led by Joe Biden)
following Russia's invasion of Ukraine decimated the Russian ruble.
But one month after the tanks rolled, the currency has made a full
recovery and is now trading at levels seen prior to the war.

an_light How is that possible?
Russia's central bank has taken dramatic steps in recent weeks to
intervene in the market, implementing policies to prevent investors
and companies from selling the currency and other measures that
force them to buy it.

What has Moscow done to "artificially" boost the falling ruble?

• The central bank has more than doubled interest rates to 20%. That encourages Russian savers to keep their money in local currency.
• Exporters have been ordered to swap 80% of their foreign currency revenues for rubles rather than holding onto US dollars or euros.
• Russian brokers have been banned from selling securities held by foreigners.
• Residents are not allowed to make bank transfers outside Russia.
• Russia has threatened to demand payment for natural gas in rubles, not euros or dollars.

No way they can sustain that artificiality.   Their ruble is going to collapse totally unless he withdraws.

 
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Posted: #852

@Midnight1

 All I see is Ukraine shrinking in the hands of Russia.

I can only imagine when that day will come
 
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Posted: #853

@cdog8043

 IMO any resolution cannot include Russia gaining/taking any Ukraine territory. 

Sure, we won't join NATO until we join NATO.

Citizens taken from Ukraine cities must be returned. 

The sanctions remain in place & seized planes/yachts are returned to their owners.

And for Russia, they get to go home & not publicly admit fault which allows them to save some face but that's about it. Their economy already is horrible & let them try to survive with China, India & the Saudis as economic partners.

Sounds like a plan to me....

 
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Posted: #854

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

FAKE ruble?

London (CNN Business)
The barrage of sanctions imposed by the West (led by Joe Biden)
following Russia's invasion of Ukraine decimated the Russian ruble.
But one month after the tanks rolled, the currency has made a full
recovery and is now trading at levels seen prior to the war.

an_light How is that possible?
Russia's central bank has taken dramatic steps in recent weeks to
intervene in the market, implementing policies to prevent investors
and companies from selling the currency and other measures that
force them to buy it.

What has Moscow done to "artificially" boost the falling ruble?

• The central bank has more than doubled interest rates to 20%. That encourages Russian savers to keep their money in local currency.
• Exporters have been ordered to swap 80% of their foreign currency revenues for rubles rather than holding onto US dollars or euros.
• Russian brokers have been banned from selling securities held by foreigners.
• Residents are not allowed to make bank transfers outside Russia.
• Russia has threatened to demand payment for natural gas in rubles, not euros or U.S. dollars.

  cont...
"These measures have allowed Moscow to artificially manufacture demand for the Russian ruble.
The problem facing policymakers is that with Russia's economy
in tatters, nobody actually wants to buy the currency of their
own accord.  When the restrictions are lifted, demand for the
ruble will drop, and its value will slide — perhaps dramatically."

 
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Posted: #855

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: FAKE ruble? London (CNN Business)The barrage of sanctions imposed by the West (led by Joe Biden)following Russia's invasion of Ukraine decimated the Russian ruble. But one month after the tanks rolled, the currency has made a full recovery and is now trading at levels seen prior to the war. How is that possible?Russia's central bank has taken dramatic steps in recent weeks to intervene in the market, implementing policies to prevent investorsand companies from selling the currency and other measures thatforce them to buy it. What has Moscow done to "artificially" boost the falling ruble? • The central bank has more than doubled interest rates to 20%. That encourages Russian savers to keep their money in local currency. • Exporters have been ordered to swap 80% of their foreign currency revenues for rubles rather than holding onto US dollars or euros. • Russian brokers have been banned from selling securities held by foreigners. • Residents are not allowed to make bank transfers outside Russia. • Russia has threatened to demand payment for natural gas in rubles, not euros or U.S. dollars.   cont..."These measures have allowed Moscow to artificially manufacture demand for the Russian ruble. The problem facing policymakers is that with Russia's economy in tatters, nobody actually wants to buy the currency of their own accord.  When the restrictions are lifted, demand for the ruble will drop, and its value will slide — perhaps dramatically."

Those enormous economic sanctions imposed by the West will dwindle Russia, Russian economy will go down pretty hard. 

 
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Posted: #856

Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

an_light How is that possible?
Russia's central bank has taken dramatic steps in recent weeks to
intervene in the market, implementing policies to prevent investors
and companies from selling the currency and other measures that
force them to buy it.

What has Moscow done to "artificially" boost the falling ruble?

• The central bank has more than doubled interest rates to 20%. That encourages Russian savers to keep their money in local currency.
• Exporters have been ordered to swap 80% of their foreign currency revenues for rubles rather than holding onto US dollars or euros.
• Russian brokers have been banned from selling securities held by foreigners.
• Residents are not allowed to make bank transfers outside Russia.
• Russia has threatened to demand payment for natural gas in rubles, not euros or U.S. dollars.

"These measures have allowed Moscow to artificially manufacture demand for the Russian ruble.
The problem facing policymakers is that with Russia's economy
in tatters, nobody actually wants to buy the currency of their
own accord.  When the restrictions are lifted, demand for the
ruble will drop, and its value will slide — perhaps dramatically."

 

Those enormous economic sanctions imposed by the West will dwindle Russia, Russian economy will go down pretty hard.

 

 
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Posted: #857

@Europa

 Putin will sell out to China just like China Joe.

I can only imagine when that day will come
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

an_light How is that possible?
Russia's central bank has taken dramatic steps in recent weeks to
intervene in the market, implementing policies to prevent investors
and companies from selling the currency and other measures that
force them to buy it.

What has Moscow done to "artificially" boost the falling ruble?

• The central bank has more than doubled interest rates to 20%. That encourages Russian savers to keep their money in local currency.
• Exporters have been ordered to swap 80% of their foreign currency revenues for rubles rather than holding onto US dollars or euros.
• Russian brokers have been banned from selling securities held by foreigners.
• Residents are not allowed to make bank transfers outside Russia.
• Russia has threatened to demand payment for natural gas in rubles, not euros or U.S. dollars.

"These measures have allowed Moscow to artificially manufacture demand for the Russian ruble.
The problem facing policymakers is that with Russia's economy
in tatters, nobody actually wants to buy the currency of their
own accord.  When the restrictions are lifted, demand for the
ruble will drop, and its value will slide — perhaps dramatically."

 

 

Those enormous economic sanctions imposed by the West will dwindle Russia, Russian economy will go down pretty hard.

Logical  peace_5

Seriously, it comes down to how long can one tread water?

 
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Posted: #859

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 Duly noted Fubah2 -- Today's date:  03/31/2022.  

I can only imagine when that day will come
 
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Posted: #860

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

an_light How is that possible?
Russia's central bank has taken dramatic steps in recent weeks to
intervene in the market, implementing policies to prevent investors
and companies from selling the currency and other measures that
force them to buy it.

What has Moscow done to "artificially" boost the falling ruble?

• The central bank has more than doubled interest rates to 20%. That encourages Russian savers to keep their money in local currency.
• Exporters have been ordered to swap 80% of their foreign currency revenues for rubles rather than holding onto US dollars or euros.
• Russian brokers have been banned from selling securities held by foreigners.
• Residents are not allowed to make bank transfers outside Russia.
• Russia has threatened to demand payment for natural gas in rubles, not euros or U.S. dollars.

"These measures have allowed Moscow to artificially manufacture demand for the Russian ruble.
The problem facing policymakers is that with Russia's economy
in tatters, nobody actually wants to buy the currency of their
own accord.  When the restrictions are lifted, demand for the
ruble will drop, and its value will slide — perhaps dramatically."

 

 

Those enormous economic sanctions imposed by the West will dwindle Russia, Russian economy will go down pretty hard.

 

 

Logical  peace_5 Seriously, it comes down to how long can one tread water?

true    they can prop it up only for so long       their gold reserves were a cudgle to help save them from what they caused to happen but biden already slapped sanctions to reduce that effectiveness 

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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

@cdog8043  IMO any resolution cannot include Russia gaining/taking any Ukraine territory.  Sure, we won't join NATO until we join NATO. Citizens taken from Ukraine cities must be returned.  The sanctions remain in place & seized planes/yachts are returned to their owners. And for Russia, they get to go home & not publicly admit fault which allows them to save some face but that's about it. Their economy already is horrible & let them try to survive with China, India & the Saudis as economic partners. Sounds like a plan to me....

Never going to happen 

 
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Posted: #862

Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

Logical  Seriously, it comes down to how long can one tread water?

This is how it happens when economic hardship burgeons as of today in Sri Lanka,

Enduring domestic economy crisis, hundreds of Sri Lankan protestors are demanding President, Gotabaya Rajapaksa, to resign. 

https://indianexpress.com/article/world/sri-lanka-economic-crisis-protests-mk-stalin-tamil-refugees-7847136/

 
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Posted: #863

BREAKING: Zelensky Purges Top Generals of Ukraine's Intelligence, Brands them Traitors

Things are going great 

 

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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

This is how it happens when economic hardship burgeons as of today in Sri Lanka, Enduring domestic economy crisis, hundreds of Sri Lankan protestors are demanding President, Gotabaya Rajapaksa, to resign.  https://indianexpress.com/article/world/sri-lanka-economic-crisis-protests-mk-stalin-tamil-refugees-7847136/

Good point, Europa! 

 

 
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MacDonald Laurier Institute reveals how Ukraine and Russia use propaganda.   Both sides suppress and control information for different reasons.  Ukraine intention is survival.  Propaganda is used to rally national and international support.  Forbidden is sharing information about location and movement of armed forces.  For example, censorship of missile strikes so that Russians couldn't correct their aim. 

In contrast, Russia seeks to justify invasion and deceive its citizens. Criticism of government isn't allowed.  Russians watch only state media after shutdown of independent media.  Facebook, twitter and other social media are blocked.   Recently, Russian regulator threatens to fine Wikipedia $50,000 for refusal to censor the truth.   Now Ukrainians believe Russians are murderers while Russians think Ukrainians are Nazis.  So far, Ukraine is winning the information war but Russia is winning the military war.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

MacDonald Laurier Institute reveals how Ukraine and Russia use propaganda.   Both sides suppress and control information for different reasons.  Ukraine intention is survival.  Propaganda is used to rally national and international support.  Forbidden is sharing information about location and movement of armed forces.  For example, censorship of missile strikes so that Russians couldn't correct their aim.  In contrast, Russia seeks to justify invasion and deceive its citizens. Criticism of government isn't allowed.  Russians watch only state media after shutdown of independent media.  Facebook, twitter and other social media are blocked.   Recently, Russian regulator threatens to fine Wikipedia $50,000 for refusal to censor the truth.   Now Ukrainians believe Russians are murderers while Russians think Ukrainians are Nazis.  So far, Ukraine is winning the information war but Russia is winning the military war.

Valid points in there, Thirdperson!

Of course the US is involved too.  The war is being framed as a disaster for Russia, while the Western governments and medias are trying to control the narratives so that Putin can't.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

BREAKING: Zelensky Purges Top Generals of Ukraine's Intelligence, Brands them Traitors Things are going great

Same thing Hitler did before he allowed all of Germany to be destroyed. 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

MacDonald Laurier Institute reveals how Ukraine and Russia use propaganda.   Both sides suppress and control information for different reasons.  Ukraine intention is survival.  Propaganda is used to rally national and international support.  Forbidden is sharing information about location and movement of armed forces.  For example, censorship of missile strikes so that Russians couldn't correct their aim.  In contrast, Russia seeks to justify invasion and deceive its citizens. Criticism of government isn't allowed.  Russians watch only state media after shutdown of independent media.  Facebook, twitter and other social media are blocked.   Recently, Russian regulator threatens to fine Wikipedia $50,000 for refusal to censor the truth.   Now Ukrainians believe Russians are murderers while Russians think Ukrainians are Nazis.  So far, Ukraine is winning the information war but Russia is winning the military war.

 

multiple sides involved

 

 

 

 

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UT- OH.  surprised

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shaken-first-many-russians-now-183217391.html

"The stream of anti-war letters to a lawmaker in St. Petersburg, Russia, has dried up. Some Russians who had criticized the Kremlin have turned into cheerleaders for the war. Those who publicly oppose it have found the word “traitor” scrawled on their apartment door."

 

kinda sounds like folks over here!

 
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My take on all this is Zenlensky fired his two generals because they want to save Ukraine, make an agreement and give up the Donbass region. They probably believe Putin will now go all out.

I do too. Can see an all out assault coming. 

 

 
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Posted: #871

Believe putin wants ukraine to be Noth and south or east west... he wants their resources..I believe that's his agenda.

 
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According to Putin, Russia can invade Ukraine and kill and destroy at will. Yet, they are outraged at Ukrainian helicopters bombing a fuel depot and not killing anyone.

This is the way a bully reacts when you punch them in the face!

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"Super modern" military equipment is on the way from the United States and Britain, says Sergiy Korsunsky, Ukraine's ambassador to Japan.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-31/ukraine-will-soon-be-able-to-better-protect-its-skies-envoy-to-japan

The long range missiles dominated by the Russian forces over Ukrainian sky will tip over to the Ukrainian side soon, great news. Ukrainian forces will be capable of shooting down Russian cruise missiles with the "super modern" equipment.  

 
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

MacDonald Laurier Institute reveals how Ukraine and Russia use propaganda.   Both sides suppress and control information for different reasons.  Ukraine intention is survival.  Propaganda is used to rally national and international support.  Forbidden is sharing information about location and movement of armed forces.  For example, censorship of missile strikes so that Russians couldn't correct their aim.  In contrast, Russia seeks to justify invasion and deceive its citizens. Criticism of government isn't allowed.  Russians watch only state media after shutdown of independent media.  Facebook, twitter and other social media are blocked.   Recently, Russian regulator threatens to fine Wikipedia $50,000 for refusal to censor the truth.   Now Ukrainians believe Russians are murderers while Russians think Ukrainians are Nazis.  So far, Ukraine is winning the information war but Russia is winning the military war.

Propaganda to falsely paint a large group of people as Nazis? 

Did they get their playbook from the Democratic Party? 

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Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

The war is being framed as a disaster for Russia.

So far, war is a disaster for both Russia and Ukraine.  Obviously, Putin badly miscalculated by repeating similar mistakes as Hitler.  According to Institute for study of war, Russia has changed its plans after failure of initial campaign to capture cities.  Oddly, Russian military has under achieved while Ukraine is more resistant than expected.  Still, no one knows how the war will end.

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