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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 7:38 PM ET #901

    Above article highlights.

    It is a real threat,” he declared. “[But] we have not seen any of those major arms transfers take place, we don't have any evidence that those have taken place to date.”

    Compared to older variants, the Igla-S has a longer range and a significantly larger warhead. Its maximum range of 20,000 feet is more than 5,000 greater than that of the iconic American FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS. The exact speed of the S model is not publicly available, but one would imagine the designers would not have wanted it to be slower than the average speed of earlier types, which was approximately 1,300 miles per hour. The Stinger’s average flight speed is 1,600 miles per hour.

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    Above article highlights.

    It is a real threat,” he declared. “[But] we have not seen any of those major arms transfers take place, we don't have any evidence that those have taken place to date.”

    Compared to older variants, the Igla-S has a longer range and a significantly larger warhead. Its maximum range of 20,000 feet is more than 5,000 greater than that of the iconic American FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS. The exact speed of the S model is not publicly available, but one would imagine the designers would not have wanted it to be slower than the average speed of earlier types, which was approximately 1,300 miles per hour. The Stinger’s average flight speed is 1,600 miles per hour.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 7:40 PM ET #902

    100 missiles sent to Ukraine 95 used won't take too long till commercial airliners are being shot down with advanced weapon systems.....

     

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    100 missiles sent to Ukraine 95 used won't take too long till commercial airliners are being shot down with advanced weapon systems.....

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 8:04 PM ET #903

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     It's addition by subtraction.

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     Collateral damage is unintentional. When you tie the hands of civilians behind their backs & put a bullet in their head, that's an execution.

    If they put both of your brains in a bird, the poor bastard would fly backwards.

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    @I_Need_A_Detox

     It's addition by subtraction.

    @UNIMAN

     Collateral damage is unintentional. When you tie the hands of civilians behind their backs & put a bullet in their head, that's an execution.

    If they put both of your brains in a bird, the poor bastard would fly backwards.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 8:27 PM ET #904

    Yes but the induction of Afghanistan,Iran Iraq Syrian and yeminies oil to the world market will push price down as supply can drastically increase with peace agreements in conflict theaters emerge.

    Investing in good governance of war torn source areas can subjectively lower the price and the world's population needs can relax prices over the middle to long term futures.

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    Yes but the induction of Afghanistan,Iran Iraq Syrian and yeminies oil to the world market will push price down as supply can drastically increase with peace agreements in conflict theaters emerge.

    Investing in good governance of war torn source areas can subjectively lower the price and the world's population needs can relax prices over the middle to long term futures.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 8:44 PM ET #905

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Yes but the induction of Afghanistan,Iran Iraq Syrian and yeminies oil to the world market will push price down as supply can drastically increase with peace agreements in conflict theaters emerge. Investing in good governance of war torn source areas can subjectively lower the price and the world's population needs can relax prices over the middle to long term futures.

    This will take some time to come to logical fruition but when it does, you're right, prices should fall shortly afterward by huge amounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Yes but the induction of Afghanistan,Iran Iraq Syrian and yeminies oil to the world market will push price down as supply can drastically increase with peace agreements in conflict theaters emerge. Investing in good governance of war torn source areas can subjectively lower the price and the world's population needs can relax prices over the middle to long term futures.

    This will take some time to come to logical fruition but when it does, you're right, prices should fall shortly afterward by huge amounts.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 8:54 PM ET #906

    We can imploy a simple market given increased supply stable demand must deflate price of crude per barrel. 

    Yemen Iran Saudi Arabia and yeminies government are meeting to begin peace talks during this declared truce. That treaty could solidly push millions of barrels into the market to off set Moscow's hording tendencies

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    We can imploy a simple market given increased supply stable demand must deflate price of crude per barrel. 

    Yemen Iran Saudi Arabia and yeminies government are meeting to begin peace talks during this declared truce. That treaty could solidly push millions of barrels into the market to off set Moscow's hording tendencies

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 8:56 PM ET #907

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @I_Need_A_Detox  It's addition by subtraction. @UNIMAN  Collateral damage is unintentional. When you tie the hands of civilians behind their backs & put a bullet in their head, that's an execution. If they put both of your brains in a bird, the poor bastard would fly backwards.

    Since neither one of us were there we don't really know who was executed and by whom. Hopefully the investigation will be honest and get the bottom of it all. I have no doubt that members of the Azov group would execute civilians who helped the Russians. So it goes either way. And if a civilian fed me poison to kill me and I survived that civilian would wish they never did. So there's that too. Bottom line Russia making a mess of Ukraine, it's wrong and needs to stop.

    As you yourself said; Atrocities happen all the time in WAR! ...."

    And that includes both sides. Just because our media tells me Russians are tying hands and executing, I'll wait for the investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @I_Need_A_Detox  It's addition by subtraction. @UNIMAN  Collateral damage is unintentional. When you tie the hands of civilians behind their backs & put a bullet in their head, that's an execution. If they put both of your brains in a bird, the poor bastard would fly backwards.

    Since neither one of us were there we don't really know who was executed and by whom. Hopefully the investigation will be honest and get the bottom of it all. I have no doubt that members of the Azov group would execute civilians who helped the Russians. So it goes either way. And if a civilian fed me poison to kill me and I survived that civilian would wish they never did. So there's that too. Bottom line Russia making a mess of Ukraine, it's wrong and needs to stop.

    As you yourself said; Atrocities happen all the time in WAR! ...."

    And that includes both sides. Just because our media tells me Russians are tying hands and executing, I'll wait for the investigation.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 8:59 PM ET #908

    Afghanistan has the largest oil pool in the world.

    This resource could supply India and chinas manufacturing energy needs for a millinia.

    If this resource was harnessed and utilize most of the energy sectors in the orient could be satisfy by this Discovery.

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    Afghanistan has the largest oil pool in the world.

    This resource could supply India and chinas manufacturing energy needs for a millinia.

    If this resource was harnessed and utilize most of the energy sectors in the orient could be satisfy by this Discovery.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 9:28 PM ET #909

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    Attendance is not mandatory in order to piece together facts. I wasn't there but I know the Rams won the Souper Bowl last year.

    Satellite pictures taken of dead civilians in the streets when occupied by Russian forces & before Ukraine soldiers took the city back are proof enough for me. To hop on "the pictures were staged" wagon is propaganda bullshit & you know better than that. Women crying over their slain family members is the real deal & as further proof, Fox isn't reporting any of this, so you know it has to be true.

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    Attendance is not mandatory in order to piece together facts. I wasn't there but I know the Rams won the Souper Bowl last year.

    Satellite pictures taken of dead civilians in the streets when occupied by Russian forces & before Ukraine soldiers took the city back are proof enough for me. To hop on "the pictures were staged" wagon is propaganda bullshit & you know better than that. Women crying over their slain family members is the real deal & as further proof, Fox isn't reporting any of this, so you know it has to be true.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 9:43 PM ET #910

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     “What if these bodies of tortured, dead civilians were staged? What if they’re fake? What if the Ukrainian military killed them & then blamed Russia? I’m not saying any of this is true, I’m just asking the questions. Why can’t we ask these questions?”....Tucker Carlson tonight.

    Sounds like you may have been listening to him tonight.

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     “What if these bodies of tortured, dead civilians were staged? What if they’re fake? What if the Ukrainian military killed them & then blamed Russia? I’m not saying any of this is true, I’m just asking the questions. Why can’t we ask these questions?”....Tucker Carlson tonight.

    Sounds like you may have been listening to him tonight.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 9:56 PM ET #911

    Someone did it.

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    Someone did it.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2022 - 10:24 PM ET #912

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Someone did it.

    The atrocity in Bucha, Ukraine will be prosecuted someday. It will take times but I have little doubt that all of the parties who committed to this crime will be held accountable. I think Ukrainians are shocked and angry, they will fight this war harder and they will win.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Someone did it.

    The atrocity in Bucha, Ukraine will be prosecuted someday. It will take times but I have little doubt that all of the parties who committed to this crime will be held accountable. I think Ukrainians are shocked and angry, they will fight this war harder and they will win.  

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2022 - 12:00 PM ET #913

    “What we’re talking about here appears to be the direct killing and targeting of civilians in Bucha,” rights office spokeswoman Liz Throssell told reporters in Geneva.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-says-signs-point-to-civilians-being-targeted-in-bucha/

    Bucha is a small town made of 43,000 population, there is the city of Mariupol, with 480,000 people, almost pulverized to dust by the Russian military. The atrocity from Bucha may not be the only or last place committed by Putin's forces.    

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    “What we’re talking about here appears to be the direct killing and targeting of civilians in Bucha,” rights office spokeswoman Liz Throssell told reporters in Geneva.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-says-signs-point-to-civilians-being-targeted-in-bucha/

    Bucha is a small town made of 43,000 population, there is the city of Mariupol, with 480,000 people, almost pulverized to dust by the Russian military. The atrocity from Bucha may not be the only or last place committed by Putin's forces.    

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2022 - 12:36 PM ET #914

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @I_Need_A_Detox  It's addition by subtraction.

    Would probably go as well as Obama’s regime change in Libya 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @I_Need_A_Detox  It's addition by subtraction.

    Would probably go as well as Obama’s regime change in Libya 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2022 - 12:40 PM ET #915

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Someone did it. The atrocity in Bucha, Ukraine will be prosecuted someday. It will take times but I have little doubt that all of the parties who committed to this crime will be held accountable. I think Ukrainians are shocked and angry, they will fight this war harder and they will win.

    Define “win” 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Someone did it. The atrocity in Bucha, Ukraine will be prosecuted someday. It will take times but I have little doubt that all of the parties who committed to this crime will be held accountable. I think Ukrainians are shocked and angry, they will fight this war harder and they will win.

    Define “win” 

     

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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2022 - 12:53 PM ET #916

    Ukrainians suspected of human smuggling released to fight for their homeland

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    Ukrainians suspected of human smuggling released to fight for their homeland

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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2022 - 12:56 PM ET #917

    Ukraine released convicted war criminals, including men who killed civilians before.

    Civilians then get killed.

    It is in fact logical to wait for independent investigations to occur before accepting war propaganda. 

    This isn’t complicated. 

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    Ukraine released convicted war criminals, including men who killed civilians before.

    Civilians then get killed.

    It is in fact logical to wait for independent investigations to occur before accepting war propaganda. 

    This isn’t complicated. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2022 - 12:58 PM ET #918

    Ruslan Onyschenko 

    Semen Semenchenko 

    Dmytro Balabakha

     

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    Ruslan Onyschenko 

    Semen Semenchenko 

    Dmytro Balabakha

     

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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2022 - 1:04 PM ET #919

    The Tornado Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia like Azov, raped children in front is their parents.

    This is according to official Ukraine sources and human rights groups.

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    The Tornado Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia like Azov, raped children in front is their parents.

    This is according to official Ukraine sources and human rights groups.

     
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    “Ukrainian military prosecutors, police, and residents allege that members of the Tornado battalion tasked with policing Pryvillia and nearby communities went rogue, committing violent crimes against at least 13 civilians in the first half of 2015. The list of accusations includes rape and torture, kidnapping, illegal imprisonment, extortion, robbery, and creating a criminal gang.” 

    https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-tornado-battalion-rogue-paramilitaries-kyiv-trial-crimes/28205795.html

     

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    “Ukrainian military prosecutors, police, and residents allege that members of the Tornado battalion tasked with policing Pryvillia and nearby communities went rogue, committing violent crimes against at least 13 civilians in the first half of 2015. The list of accusations includes rape and torture, kidnapping, illegal imprisonment, extortion, robbery, and creating a criminal gang.” 

    https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-tornado-battalion-rogue-paramilitaries-kyiv-trial-crimes/28205795.html

     

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    Well now we have a whole lot more terrorist with nothing to lose. Have you seen maropol.... The place is leveled anyone make it out can be expected to go on blood lust it's simply human nature... I am sure some will need counseling but a very very few will ever recover from this devastating conflict.

    So neo Nazi in Ukraine bet they got some now.

    Nazi hate commies, well there gonna be a ton who hate Russia....

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    Well now we have a whole lot more terrorist with nothing to lose. Have you seen maropol.... The place is leveled anyone make it out can be expected to go on blood lust it's simply human nature... I am sure some will need counseling but a very very few will ever recover from this devastating conflict.

    So neo Nazi in Ukraine bet they got some now.

    Nazi hate commies, well there gonna be a ton who hate Russia....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Well now we have a whole lot more terrorist with nothing to lose. Have you seen maropol.... The place is leveled anyone make it out can be expected to go on blood lust it's simply human nature... I am sure some will need counseling but a very very few will ever recover from this devastating conflict. So neo Nazi in Ukraine bet they got some now. Nazi hate commies, well there gonna be a ton who hate Russia....

    Why don’t you care about the people of Yemen or Libya? Or Syria or Iraq? Or Afghanistan? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Well now we have a whole lot more terrorist with nothing to lose. Have you seen maropol.... The place is leveled anyone make it out can be expected to go on blood lust it's simply human nature... I am sure some will need counseling but a very very few will ever recover from this devastating conflict. So neo Nazi in Ukraine bet they got some now. Nazi hate commies, well there gonna be a ton who hate Russia....

    Why don’t you care about the people of Yemen or Libya? Or Syria or Iraq? Or Afghanistan? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    “What we’re talking about here appears to be the direct killing and targeting of civilians in Bucha,” rights office spokeswoman Liz Throssell told reporters in Geneva.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-says-signs-point-to-civilians-being-targeted-in-bucha/

    Bucha is a small town made of 43,000 population, there is the city of Mariupol, with 480,000 people, almost pulverized to dust by the Russian military. The atrocity from Bucha may not be the only or last place committed by Putin's forces.    

    Putin responsible for it all.  May he burn in hell for perpetuity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    “What we’re talking about here appears to be the direct killing and targeting of civilians in Bucha,” rights office spokeswoman Liz Throssell told reporters in Geneva.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-says-signs-point-to-civilians-being-targeted-in-bucha/

    Bucha is a small town made of 43,000 population, there is the city of Mariupol, with 480,000 people, almost pulverized to dust by the Russian military. The atrocity from Bucha may not be the only or last place committed by Putin's forces.    

    Putin responsible for it all.  May he burn in hell for perpetuity

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Well now we have a whole lot more terrorist with nothing to lose. Have you seen maropol.... The place is leveled anyone make it out can be expected to go on blood lust it's simply human nature... I am sure some will need counseling but a very very few will ever recover from this devastating conflict. So neo Nazi in Ukraine bet they got some now. Nazi hate commies, well there gonna be a ton who hate Russia.... Why don’t you care about the people of Yemen or Libya? Or Syria or Iraq? Or Afghanistan?

    Please refer to above posts I am sure I stressed if oil producing nations were in good governance and at peace oil price would deflate. Specifically Iraq Syrian Yemen . Saudi Arabia Afghanistan

    Libia is not in external conflicts out side of terrorists activities. If these areas could stop fighting to sell enough crude oil they could have the money to rebuilding their infrastructure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Well now we have a whole lot more terrorist with nothing to lose. Have you seen maropol.... The place is leveled anyone make it out can be expected to go on blood lust it's simply human nature... I am sure some will need counseling but a very very few will ever recover from this devastating conflict. So neo Nazi in Ukraine bet they got some now. Nazi hate commies, well there gonna be a ton who hate Russia.... Why don’t you care about the people of Yemen or Libya? Or Syria or Iraq? Or Afghanistan?

    Please refer to above posts I am sure I stressed if oil producing nations were in good governance and at peace oil price would deflate. Specifically Iraq Syrian Yemen . Saudi Arabia Afghanistan

    Libia is not in external conflicts out side of terrorists activities. If these areas could stop fighting to sell enough crude oil they could have the money to rebuilding their infrastructure.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Yes but the induction of Afghanistan,Iran Iraq Syrian and yeminies oil to the world market will push price down as supply can drastically increase with peace agreements in conflict theaters emerge. Investing in good governance of war torn source areas can subjectively lower the price and the world's population needs can relax prices over the middle to long term futures.

    I think was the speculation I was engaged with in the above dialogues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Yes but the induction of Afghanistan,Iran Iraq Syrian and yeminies oil to the world market will push price down as supply can drastically increase with peace agreements in conflict theaters emerge. Investing in good governance of war torn source areas can subjectively lower the price and the world's population needs can relax prices over the middle to long term futures.

    I think was the speculation I was engaged with in the above dialogues.

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