There's always been fear that a madman would have access to nuclear weapons & I believe that time has come. The world will need the responsible adults in Russia to defy any demand to launch these weapons.
Destroying the Russian propaganda machine is a major task but how could almost the entire world be wrong & Putin right. Russians are probably asking those questions amongst themselves but not with their leaders because of the obvious ramifications.
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There's always been fear that a madman would have access to nuclear weapons & I believe that time has come. The world will need the responsible adults in Russia to defy any demand to launch these weapons.
Destroying the Russian propaganda machine is a major task but how could almost the entire world be wrong & Putin right. Russians are probably asking those questions amongst themselves but not with their leaders because of the obvious ramifications.
There's always been fear that a madman would have access to nuclear weapons & I believe that time has come. The world will need the responsible adults in Russia to defy any demand to launch these weapons. Destroying the Russian propaganda machine is a major task but how could almost the entire world be wrong & Putin right. Russians are probably asking those questions amongst themselves but not with their leaders because of the obvious ramifications.
Whats your definition of the “entire world”?
China, Iran, North Korea, India, Pakistan, the Middle East, Northern Africa, Africa, South America, Japan … what are their thoughts?
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
There's always been fear that a madman would have access to nuclear weapons & I believe that time has come. The world will need the responsible adults in Russia to defy any demand to launch these weapons. Destroying the Russian propaganda machine is a major task but how could almost the entire world be wrong & Putin right. Russians are probably asking those questions amongst themselves but not with their leaders because of the obvious ramifications.
Whats your definition of the “entire world”?
China, Iran, North Korea, India, Pakistan, the Middle East, Northern Africa, Africa, South America, Japan … what are their thoughts?
How about we get back on topic as to what next steps should be taken to bring this crisis to an end. You want to create another thread as to what the results of this crisis may mean, be my guest.
I am not so sure you should be so quick to dismiss this issue at all when you consider Russia.For example, it VERY quickly came up in this thread AND generated quite a lot of back and forth.
So, consider more of an expert’s opinion on the situation.I will post some of the other issues just to show that he is not your everyday right-wing nutjob:
A widely offered explanation for the Russian invasion of Ukraine is that Russia -- which at this time essentially means President Vladimir Putin -- fears the expansion of NATO to its borders, especially Ukraine. The argument is often presented as an analogy: How would the United States react if Mexico had a mutual defense pact with Russia and received weapons from Russia?
A second explanation is that Russia is "paranoid" ...
He goes into some detail about the ‘paranoia’ issue but that is not my point here.
Generally speaking, wars are either between two police states or between a police state and a free state. And the latter are nearly always initiated or provoked by the police state. Russia has nothing to fear from its neighbors. Its neighbors have plenty to fear from Russia.
I know of no American, on the Right or the Left, who has called for sending the U.S. military into Ukraine. But every American should feel awful -- morally and as an American -- about America sitting by and watching the first major invasion of a peaceful country since Hitler and Stalin. One reason is that since World War II, the weaker nations of the world have all held onto the hope that should they be attacked by a stronger nation, Americans would come to their aid.
America is aiding Ukraine with arms and economic sanctions, but as I watch peaceful Ukraine devoured by aggressive Russia, I can't help but think that it appears that evil will triumph -- and lead to more evil on Earth. I have never agreed with the throwaway line, "America is not the world's policeman." Does the world not need a policeman? And if not America, who? China? Russia? The U.N.?
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
How about we get back on topic as to what next steps should be taken to bring this crisis to an end. You want to create another thread as to what the results of this crisis may mean, be my guest.
I am not so sure you should be so quick to dismiss this issue at all when you consider Russia.For example, it VERY quickly came up in this thread AND generated quite a lot of back and forth.
So, consider more of an expert’s opinion on the situation.I will post some of the other issues just to show that he is not your everyday right-wing nutjob:
A widely offered explanation for the Russian invasion of Ukraine is that Russia -- which at this time essentially means President Vladimir Putin -- fears the expansion of NATO to its borders, especially Ukraine. The argument is often presented as an analogy: How would the United States react if Mexico had a mutual defense pact with Russia and received weapons from Russia?
A second explanation is that Russia is "paranoid" ...
He goes into some detail about the ‘paranoia’ issue but that is not my point here.
Generally speaking, wars are either between two police states or between a police state and a free state. And the latter are nearly always initiated or provoked by the police state. Russia has nothing to fear from its neighbors. Its neighbors have plenty to fear from Russia.
I know of no American, on the Right or the Left, who has called for sending the U.S. military into Ukraine. But every American should feel awful -- morally and as an American -- about America sitting by and watching the first major invasion of a peaceful country since Hitler and Stalin. One reason is that since World War II, the weaker nations of the world have all held onto the hope that should they be attacked by a stronger nation, Americans would come to their aid.
America is aiding Ukraine with arms and economic sanctions, but as I watch peaceful Ukraine devoured by aggressive Russia, I can't help but think that it appears that evil will triumph -- and lead to more evil on Earth. I have never agreed with the throwaway line, "America is not the world's policeman." Does the world not need a policeman? And if not America, who? China? Russia? The U.N.?
It was Trump who had the courage to demand that our NATO allies live up to their obligations with regard to military spending. Ironically, thanks to Putin, the NATO countries are finally doing so. It was Trump who uncovered a deep state of corruption in nearly every major American governmental institution. It was Trump who took on the mainstream media, regarded by half of America as little better than Pravda, the Soviet newspaper. It was Trump who had the courage to do what president after president and Congress after Congress called for but never acted on: moving the American embassy in Israel to Israel's capital city, Jerusalem. He did this despite the opposition of almost every world leader and his own State Department. If that's not courage, what is?
And it remains a fact that Putin did not invade Ukraine while Trump was president. Putin feared Trump. Neither Putin nor anyone else fears President Joe Biden.
It is therefore not at all surprising that a comedian is the world's most courageous leader. It is surprising that people still think a lifelong political career produces leaders. Biden is a lifelong politician and, as his behavior during COVID-19 showed, may well be the least courageous president in American history.
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It was Trump who had the courage to demand that our NATO allies live up to their obligations with regard to military spending. Ironically, thanks to Putin, the NATO countries are finally doing so. It was Trump who uncovered a deep state of corruption in nearly every major American governmental institution. It was Trump who took on the mainstream media, regarded by half of America as little better than Pravda, the Soviet newspaper. It was Trump who had the courage to do what president after president and Congress after Congress called for but never acted on: moving the American embassy in Israel to Israel's capital city, Jerusalem. He did this despite the opposition of almost every world leader and his own State Department. If that's not courage, what is?
And it remains a fact that Putin did not invade Ukraine while Trump was president. Putin feared Trump. Neither Putin nor anyone else fears President Joe Biden.
It is therefore not at all surprising that a comedian is the world's most courageous leader. It is surprising that people still think a lifelong political career produces leaders. Biden is a lifelong politician and, as his behavior during COVID-19 showed, may well be the least courageous president in American history.
Russia is scrambling to maintain oil sales, the life blood of its economy: “Refiners balk at buying Russia’s oil and banks refuse to finance shipments of Russian commodities, fearing the impact of financial sanctions.”
Kind of ironic that Russia is experiencing logistical problems with fueling their attack.
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From the WSJ..
Russia is scrambling to maintain oil sales, the life blood of its economy: “Refiners balk at buying Russia’s oil and banks refuse to finance shipments of Russian commodities, fearing the impact of financial sanctions.”
Kind of ironic that Russia is experiencing logistical problems with fueling their attack.
Now whether you disagree or not and to what degree — the next part has some concern to it.This is the key point I want to make regarding this issue:
4. Western environmentalists made the invasion possible.
It is overwhelmingly likely that American and European environmentalists made the Russian invasion of Ukraine possible. Under Trump, America became energy independent and was even able to supply Europe with energy. But the environmental movement, which dominates the Democratic Party and nearly every Western European country, has made Russia the major supplier of natural gas to Europe, and especially to the most important country on the European continent, Germany.
The environmentalist movement uses climate change to achieve its primary objectives: undoing of the West's economic foundations, reshaping the Western way of life, dismantling capitalism and transferring wealth to the Third World. They will pursue these aims at any cost -- whether crippling inflation, energy blackouts, even the strengthening of Russia and China.
If you really believe climate change poses an "existential threat" to human life, there is no price too high to pay in order to eliminate fossil fuel-based energy. That includes empowering and enriching evil men.
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Now whether you disagree or not and to what degree — the next part has some concern to it.This is the key point I want to make regarding this issue:
4. Western environmentalists made the invasion possible.
It is overwhelmingly likely that American and European environmentalists made the Russian invasion of Ukraine possible. Under Trump, America became energy independent and was even able to supply Europe with energy. But the environmental movement, which dominates the Democratic Party and nearly every Western European country, has made Russia the major supplier of natural gas to Europe, and especially to the most important country on the European continent, Germany.
The environmentalist movement uses climate change to achieve its primary objectives: undoing of the West's economic foundations, reshaping the Western way of life, dismantling capitalism and transferring wealth to the Third World. They will pursue these aims at any cost -- whether crippling inflation, energy blackouts, even the strengthening of Russia and China.
If you really believe climate change poses an "existential threat" to human life, there is no price too high to pay in order to eliminate fossil fuel-based energy. That includes empowering and enriching evil men.
There's always been fear that a madman would have access to nuclear weapons & I believe that time has come.
well its not too far fetched to say that time actually first arrived on january 21, 2017
remember he threatened iran and north korea that way
but sure , here we r again and its dangerous times
the way i see it the u.s. and euro allies including turkeys massive army , combined militarily , could overwhelm russia-belarus in conventional warfare . putin must know this . so if military inervention were to oppose him now or in the future when he turns his sites to the baltics then he very well may resort to nukes and-or chemical warfare
ive outlined my ideas to avoid that but win the confrontation . silly as it might sound at first glance ,paying bounties to hundreds of highly skilled hackers could have extremely serious effects to halt the putin war machine almost instantly
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
There's always been fear that a madman would have access to nuclear weapons & I believe that time has come.
well its not too far fetched to say that time actually first arrived on january 21, 2017
remember he threatened iran and north korea that way
but sure , here we r again and its dangerous times
the way i see it the u.s. and euro allies including turkeys massive army , combined militarily , could overwhelm russia-belarus in conventional warfare . putin must know this . so if military inervention were to oppose him now or in the future when he turns his sites to the baltics then he very well may resort to nukes and-or chemical warfare
ive outlined my ideas to avoid that but win the confrontation . silly as it might sound at first glance ,paying bounties to hundreds of highly skilled hackers could have extremely serious effects to halt the putin war machine almost instantly
So, please don’t be so hasty to not consider this viewpoint. Not sure to what degree I agree with all of his points. But you have to consider some of them valid enough to see it as an interesting consideration.
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So, please don’t be so hasty to not consider this viewpoint. Not sure to what degree I agree with all of his points. But you have to consider some of them valid enough to see it as an interesting consideration.
Corporations are starting to cutoff ties to Russia with their products & services.
yep u already saw bp and shell give them the finger disney facebook twitter youtube and several sporting event have dropped competitions and cut them out
much more to come
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
Corporations are starting to cutoff ties to Russia with their products & services.
yep u already saw bp and shell give them the finger disney facebook twitter youtube and several sporting event have dropped competitions and cut them out
This food ration is really disaster. I wonder how bad Russian leadership value their soldiers.--Artis Pabriks, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, former Minister of Foreign Affairs, former MEP.
Disaster, indeed, Russia treats it's soldiers fighting in the fronts with inedible rations.
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Rations of Russian soldiers, obtained by the Ukraine military, have expired seven years ago.
This food ration is really disaster. I wonder how bad Russian leadership value their soldiers.--Artis Pabriks, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, former Minister of Foreign Affairs, former MEP.
Disaster, indeed, Russia treats it's soldiers fighting in the fronts with inedible rations.
Great to see our allies carrying their share of the load.
They trust the US leadership now.
It helps a lot that those allied countries -- all of them -- already knew Biden well from his 8 years as VP to the #10 highest rated president of all time. QUite the shift from the previous admin which had the #41 rated president of all time.
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
Great to see our allies carrying their share of the load.
They trust the US leadership now.
It helps a lot that those allied countries -- all of them -- already knew Biden well from his 8 years as VP to the #10 highest rated president of all time. QUite the shift from the previous admin which had the #41 rated president of all time.
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: First Russian debt default: Russia bans coupon payment to foreigners on $29 billion in bonds per Bloomberg. Let the dominoes fall...... Biden-led sanctions effective!
United Western world will pound Russian economy hard, Putin will more likely face uprising from his own population. It's more like of a pressure cooker, continues to rise up temperature and pressure within his country.
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: First Russian debt default: Russia bans coupon payment to foreigners on $29 billion in bonds per Bloomberg. Let the dominoes fall...... Biden-led sanctions effective!
United Western world will pound Russian economy hard, Putin will more likely face uprising from his own population. It's more like of a pressure cooker, continues to rise up temperature and pressure within his country.
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: First Russian debt default: Russia bans coupon payment to foreigners on $29 billion in bonds per Bloomberg. Let the dominoes fall...... Biden-led sanctions effective! United Western world will pound Russian economy hard, Putin will more likely face uprising from his own population. It's more like of a pressure cooker, continues to rise up temperature and pressure within his country.
Europe is about to get pounded hard.
Then what?
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: First Russian debt default: Russia bans coupon payment to foreigners on $29 billion in bonds per Bloomberg. Let the dominoes fall...... Biden-led sanctions effective! United Western world will pound Russian economy hard, Putin will more likely face uprising from his own population. It's more like of a pressure cooker, continues to rise up temperature and pressure within his country.
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