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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2022 - 10:22 AM ET #1451

    It’s clear that Ukraine is going to lose. We blew up the global system, the dollar as a reserve currency, and our economy to try to prop it up.

    What a waste.

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    It’s clear that Ukraine is going to lose. We blew up the global system, the dollar as a reserve currency, and our economy to try to prop it up.

    What a waste.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2022 - 12:35 PM ET #1452

    'Summer will be hot for Russian occupiers.'

    HIMARS have arrived to Ukraine.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-hails-arrival-himars-predicts-pain-for-russia-2022-6

    Ukrainians have been asking for the HIMARS for weeks, they got four of them from U.S. now. The range of these HIMARS believed to be downgraded from 300 km to 80 km but still at least double current Ukrainian artillery firing range.  

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    'Summer will be hot for Russian occupiers.'

    HIMARS have arrived to Ukraine.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-hails-arrival-himars-predicts-pain-for-russia-2022-6

    Ukrainians have been asking for the HIMARS for weeks, they got four of them from U.S. now. The range of these HIMARS believed to be downgraded from 300 km to 80 km but still at least double current Ukrainian artillery firing range.  

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2022 - 1:04 PM ET #1453

    More US tax dollars down the drain 

     

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    More US tax dollars down the drain 

     

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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2022 - 1:49 PM ET #1454

    HIMARS could allow Ukrainian forces to bombard the Snake Island, which is occupied by the Russians at the beginning of invasion, at will.*

    *https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/06/16/heres-how-ukraine-could-devastate-russias-snake-island-garrison/?sh=26680fe629bb

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    HIMARS could allow Ukrainian forces to bombard the Snake Island, which is occupied by the Russians at the beginning of invasion, at will.*

    *https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/06/16/heres-how-ukraine-could-devastate-russias-snake-island-garrison/?sh=26680fe629bb

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2022 - 4:14 PM ET #1455

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    DXY at 20 year highs right here, so what does that tell you?

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    DXY at 20 year highs right here, so what does that tell you?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2022 - 5:12 PM ET #1456

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @I_Need_A_Detox DXY at 20 year highs right here, so what does that tell you?

    https://www.barrons.com/articles/us-dollar-index-20-year-high-51655115874

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @I_Need_A_Detox DXY at 20 year highs right here, so what does that tell you?

    https://www.barrons.com/articles/us-dollar-index-20-year-high-51655115874

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2022 - 9:01 PM ET #1457

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    I didnt ask what the ramifications of a strong dollar are, rather if your friend suggested the dollar is crashing and so terrible what does it mean that the dollar index is at 20 year highs?

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    I didnt ask what the ramifications of a strong dollar are, rather if your friend suggested the dollar is crashing and so terrible what does it mean that the dollar index is at 20 year highs?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2022 - 9:50 AM ET #1458

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    'Summer will be hot for Russian occupiers.' HIMARS have arrived to Ukraine. https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-hails-arrival-himars-predicts-pain-for-russia-2022-6 Ukrainians have been asking for the HIMARS for weeks, they got four of them from U.S. now. The range of these HIMARS believed to be downgraded from 300 km to 80 km but still at least double current Ukrainian artillery firing range.

    Two M142 HIMARS MRLs are in action at night, firing precision guided rockets at Russian targets. 

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1540247955046912001

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    'Summer will be hot for Russian occupiers.' HIMARS have arrived to Ukraine. https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-hails-arrival-himars-predicts-pain-for-russia-2022-6 Ukrainians have been asking for the HIMARS for weeks, they got four of them from U.S. now. The range of these HIMARS believed to be downgraded from 300 km to 80 km but still at least double current Ukrainian artillery firing range.

    Two M142 HIMARS MRLs are in action at night, firing precision guided rockets at Russian targets. 

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1540247955046912001

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2022 - 10:15 AM ET #1459

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @I_Need_A_Detox DXY at 20 year highs right here, so what does that tell you?

    Not much. 

    The ruble is outperforming the dollar. 

    I’m curious what the dollar’s share of global foreign-exchange reserves are right now. It was on a 2 decade decline from over 70% in 2000 to 58% in q4 2021. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @I_Need_A_Detox DXY at 20 year highs right here, so what does that tell you?

    Not much. 

    The ruble is outperforming the dollar. 

    I’m curious what the dollar’s share of global foreign-exchange reserves are right now. It was on a 2 decade decline from over 70% in 2000 to 58% in q4 2021. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2022 - 10:42 AM ET #1460

    I don’t think any of this proxy war with Russia is going very well for the US. 

    Please tell me how the US taxpayer is going to benefit from the proxy war in general and how US tax dollars are going to good use. 

    Joe Biden’s proxy war has crushed the average Americans wallet. Oil has gone way up and food has skyrocketed. 

    Meanwhile the ruble is at its highest point in 7 years against the dollar and is going parabolic against the Euro. And the current rate of Russian revenue is unprecedented. 

    Well done Joe peace_5

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    I don’t think any of this proxy war with Russia is going very well for the US. 

    Please tell me how the US taxpayer is going to benefit from the proxy war in general and how US tax dollars are going to good use. 

    Joe Biden’s proxy war has crushed the average Americans wallet. Oil has gone way up and food has skyrocketed. 

    Meanwhile the ruble is at its highest point in 7 years against the dollar and is going parabolic against the Euro. And the current rate of Russian revenue is unprecedented. 

    Well done Joe peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2022 - 11:00 AM ET #1461

    BRICS alliance is developing a reserve currency

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    BRICS alliance is developing a reserve currency

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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2022 - 11:48 AM ET #1462

    BLINKEN: DAYS AHEAD IN UKRAINE WAR AREN'T GOING TO BE EASY

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    BLINKEN: DAYS AHEAD IN UKRAINE WAR AREN'T GOING TO BE EASY

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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2022 - 12:36 PM ET #1463

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I don’t think any of this proxy war with Russia is going very well for the US.  Please tell me how the US taxpayer is going to benefit from the proxy war in general and how US tax dollars are going to good use.  Joe Biden’s proxy war has crushed the average Americans wallet. Oil has gone way up and food has skyrocketed.  Meanwhile the ruble is at its highest point in 7 years against the dollar and is going parabolic against the Euro. And the current rate of Russian revenue is unprecedented.  Well done Joe

     

    Absolutely. The Liberals all have gotten on board this cause and do not care how it affects their folks at all.  They have drummed up support for this just like they did for all of the extreme Wuhan Flu policies and do not think about the effect of their policies.  It is like they have successfully brainwashed enough people to make what they want to do seem reasonable.  
    People no longer seem capable of critical thinking.  They just go along with the talking points and absolutely go against whatever the other side suggests, no matter what.  
    Instead of ‘hurting Putin and his regime’ they have made him more hardheaded.  They have probably caused this to be dragged out and for Russia to make even more money.  
    The Left will never learn that sanctions do not work.  
    Instead, they want to try to confiscate rich Russians stuff, thinking that will influence Putin. It did not work.  Banning a Russian chess player form the Candidates Match, not allowing other Russian athletes to compete in events — these are the avenues the wackos support.  
    So, they sent more money to Ukraine.  Why?  What is it really doing?  Nothing.  It is hurting the  USA and its economy way more than it is helping  Ukraine.  There are things besides just economic factors they should look at.  These will have longterm affects on their own country.  They do not care and will not admit they were wrong the whole time on this.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I don’t think any of this proxy war with Russia is going very well for the US.  Please tell me how the US taxpayer is going to benefit from the proxy war in general and how US tax dollars are going to good use.  Joe Biden’s proxy war has crushed the average Americans wallet. Oil has gone way up and food has skyrocketed.  Meanwhile the ruble is at its highest point in 7 years against the dollar and is going parabolic against the Euro. And the current rate of Russian revenue is unprecedented.  Well done Joe

     

    Absolutely. The Liberals all have gotten on board this cause and do not care how it affects their folks at all.  They have drummed up support for this just like they did for all of the extreme Wuhan Flu policies and do not think about the effect of their policies.  It is like they have successfully brainwashed enough people to make what they want to do seem reasonable.  
    People no longer seem capable of critical thinking.  They just go along with the talking points and absolutely go against whatever the other side suggests, no matter what.  
    Instead of ‘hurting Putin and his regime’ they have made him more hardheaded.  They have probably caused this to be dragged out and for Russia to make even more money.  
    The Left will never learn that sanctions do not work.  
    Instead, they want to try to confiscate rich Russians stuff, thinking that will influence Putin. It did not work.  Banning a Russian chess player form the Candidates Match, not allowing other Russian athletes to compete in events — these are the avenues the wackos support.  
    So, they sent more money to Ukraine.  Why?  What is it really doing?  Nothing.  It is hurting the  USA and its economy way more than it is helping  Ukraine.  There are things besides just economic factors they should look at.  These will have longterm affects on their own country.  They do not care and will not admit they were wrong the whole time on this.  

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2022 - 4:26 PM ET #1464

    So sanctions are only a tool used when a DEM is in charge? And all those who are making decisions are LEFT only, especially with regards to the military leadership?

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    So sanctions are only a tool used when a DEM is in charge? And all those who are making decisions are LEFT only, especially with regards to the military leadership?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2022 - 8:20 AM ET #1465

    The world is realizing that scarce resources are more valuable than infinite paper.

    The Ruble is the canary in the coal mine. Despite coordinated efforts to crush the Russian economy — demand for their resources continues to strengthen the Ruble.

    Some of the largest foreign holders of US treasuries have become sellers.

    Saudi Arabia reduced their UST holdings by 37% over two years.

    Japan has sold ~$100 billion worth of UST to defend the Yen.

    China's holdings are at their lowest point since 2010.

     

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    The world is realizing that scarce resources are more valuable than infinite paper.

    The Ruble is the canary in the coal mine. Despite coordinated efforts to crush the Russian economy — demand for their resources continues to strengthen the Ruble.

    Some of the largest foreign holders of US treasuries have become sellers.

    Saudi Arabia reduced their UST holdings by 37% over two years.

    Japan has sold ~$100 billion worth of UST to defend the Yen.

    China's holdings are at their lowest point since 2010.

     

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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2022 - 9:04 AM ET #1466

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    So sanctions are only a tool used when a DEM is in charge? And all those who are making decisions are LEFT only, especially with regards to the military leadership?

    Wallstreetcappers is right.  Republicans and democrats in congress support helping Ukraine.  Lesson from world war II is that europe is integral to US security.  If a bully isn't resisted, there is high risk of the conflict escalating beyond.  So this war is more than just about Russia and Ukraine. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    So sanctions are only a tool used when a DEM is in charge? And all those who are making decisions are LEFT only, especially with regards to the military leadership?

    Wallstreetcappers is right.  Republicans and democrats in congress support helping Ukraine.  Lesson from world war II is that europe is integral to US security.  If a bully isn't resisted, there is high risk of the conflict escalating beyond.  So this war is more than just about Russia and Ukraine. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2022 - 9:34 AM ET #1467

    Causulties and equipment losses.

    Approximate enemy casualties include:

    Personnel - about 34,700 (+170) troops eliminated,

    Tanks - 1511 (+4) units,

    Armored infantry vehicles - 3645 (+8) units,

    Artillery systems - 764 (+5) units,

    MLRS - 241 (+0) units,

    Air defense systems - 99 (+0) units,

    Aircraft - 217 (+1) units,

    Helicopters - 184 (+1) units,

    UAVs - 626 (+4),

    Cruise missiles - 137 (+0),

    Warships / boats - 14 (+0) units,

    Vehicles and fuel tanks - 2560 (+7) units,

    Specialized equipment - 60 (+0).

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    Causulties and equipment losses.

    Approximate enemy casualties include:

    Personnel - about 34,700 (+170) troops eliminated,

    Tanks - 1511 (+4) units,

    Armored infantry vehicles - 3645 (+8) units,

    Artillery systems - 764 (+5) units,

    MLRS - 241 (+0) units,

    Air defense systems - 99 (+0) units,

    Aircraft - 217 (+1) units,

    Helicopters - 184 (+1) units,

    UAVs - 626 (+4),

    Cruise missiles - 137 (+0),

    Warships / boats - 14 (+0) units,

    Vehicles and fuel tanks - 2560 (+7) units,

    Specialized equipment - 60 (+0).

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2022 - 11:56 AM ET #1468

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    So this war is more than just about Russia and Ukraine.

    Obviously. 

    It’s about NATO expansion. 

    NATO is the bully, not Russia. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    So this war is more than just about Russia and Ukraine.

    Obviously. 

    It’s about NATO expansion. 

    NATO is the bully, not Russia. 

     
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    Russia being a bully

    so Finland Sweden Switzer land want to join NATO.

    Buying NATO war planes and utilizing NATO anti missile systems.  Yes NATO brand has significantly become more familiar and in interest.

    Ukraine has passed a major hurdle for membership.

    European Union candidate status it isn't a mandatory requirement for NATO brand but it a good step in the right direction...peace_5

     

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    Russia being a bully

    so Finland Sweden Switzer land want to join NATO.

    Buying NATO war planes and utilizing NATO anti missile systems.  Yes NATO brand has significantly become more familiar and in interest.

    Ukraine has passed a major hurdle for membership.

    European Union candidate status it isn't a mandatory requirement for NATO brand but it a good step in the right direction...peace_5

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: So this war is more than just about Russia and Ukraine. Obviously.  It’s about NATO expansion.  NATO is the bully, not Russia.

     

    However Edward Snowden could use a bunky if your drifting commie might as well take up residence near the greater Moscow district....peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: So this war is more than just about Russia and Ukraine. Obviously.  It’s about NATO expansion.  NATO is the bully, not Russia.

     

    However Edward Snowden could use a bunky if your drifting commie might as well take up residence near the greater Moscow district....peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jun. 28, 2022 - 9:52 AM ET #1471

    I don’t understand anything you say. 

    peace_5

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    I don’t understand anything you say. 

    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I don’t understand anything you say.

    K to all those that stood in a steel mill and fought the entire Russian army for 100 days till they ran out of bullets....

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I don’t understand anything you say.

    K to all those that stood in a steel mill and fought the entire Russian army for 100 days till they ran out of bullets....

     
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    Continuing assessment by the British Ministry of Defense that Russia's ongoing assault in Donbas is not sustainable in longer term. Putin's forces have to use Soviet era missiles to reach their objectives which include the shelling of civilian targets, such as launched a missile strike on a shopping center in Kremenchuk and killed at least 18 civilians. 

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-war-putin-troops-hollowed-out-mod-kremenchuk-1719734

    Shelling city shopping mall by a missile has absolute zero military objective, yet Putin's forces have committed such barbaric atrocity regardless. 

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    Continuing assessment by the British Ministry of Defense that Russia's ongoing assault in Donbas is not sustainable in longer term. Putin's forces have to use Soviet era missiles to reach their objectives which include the shelling of civilian targets, such as launched a missile strike on a shopping center in Kremenchuk and killed at least 18 civilians. 

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-war-putin-troops-hollowed-out-mod-kremenchuk-1719734

    Shelling city shopping mall by a missile has absolute zero military objective, yet Putin's forces have committed such barbaric atrocity regardless. 

     
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    Tulsi: 

    Every time this Admin has been asked what the goal of our war with Russia is, using Ukrainians as our proxy, (i.e. how will we know when victory is achieved?) they’ve dodged the question by declaring the president of Ukraine will make that decision & the U.S. will follow his leadership. So, the most important foreign policy position our country has faced in the last 60 years is not being made by US Congress or an American president, but by the leader of a foreign country.

    “At the end of the day, what this looks like, what end state looks like will be defined by the Ukrainians and not by us. And so we'll leave that up to President Zelenskyy and his leadership to talk about how this transitions.” —Lloyd Austin (Sec of Defense), May 23, 2022

    “The end state is defined by the political leadership, and in this case, President Zelenskyy is going to define the end state inside the boundaries of Ukraine.” —General Milley (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff), May 23, 2022

    “President Zelensky is the democratically elected president of a sovereign nation, and only he can decide what victory is going to look like and how he wants to achieve it.” —John F. Kirby (Pentagon press secretary), April 29, 2022

    If handing over American sovereignty to the leader of another country isn’t treason, what is?

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    Tulsi: 

    Every time this Admin has been asked what the goal of our war with Russia is, using Ukrainians as our proxy, (i.e. how will we know when victory is achieved?) they’ve dodged the question by declaring the president of Ukraine will make that decision & the U.S. will follow his leadership. So, the most important foreign policy position our country has faced in the last 60 years is not being made by US Congress or an American president, but by the leader of a foreign country.

    “At the end of the day, what this looks like, what end state looks like will be defined by the Ukrainians and not by us. And so we'll leave that up to President Zelenskyy and his leadership to talk about how this transitions.” —Lloyd Austin (Sec of Defense), May 23, 2022

    “The end state is defined by the political leadership, and in this case, President Zelenskyy is going to define the end state inside the boundaries of Ukraine.” —General Milley (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff), May 23, 2022

    “President Zelensky is the democratically elected president of a sovereign nation, and only he can decide what victory is going to look like and how he wants to achieve it.” —John F. Kirby (Pentagon press secretary), April 29, 2022

    If handing over American sovereignty to the leader of another country isn’t treason, what is?

     
     
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    cut from cnn , the most trusted name in cable news ::

    Norway announced on Wednesday that it would donate three multiple-launch rocket systems to Ukraine, following similar decision made by the United States.

    The donation is made possible by a close cooperation between Norway and the United Kingdom, Norwegian Defense Minister Bjørn Arild Gram said in a statement.

    "We must continue our support so the Ukrainians can continue their fight for freedom and independence," the minister added.

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    Norway announced on Wednesday that it would donate three multiple-launch rocket systems to Ukraine, following similar decision made by the United States.

    The donation is made possible by a close cooperation between Norway and the United Kingdom, Norwegian Defense Minister Bjørn Arild Gram said in a statement.

    "We must continue our support so the Ukrainians can continue their fight for freedom and independence," the minister added.

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