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    Trump Vance Zelensky meeting.............

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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 2:14 PM ET #1

    I will bet all Americans are really proud today of the meeting between these three. Trump wants to do away with NATO its going to be tough when WORLD WAR 3 does break out and the US fights against CHINA RUSSIA NORTH KOREA and all NATO says your on your own Trumpster what a joke of a President. Or should I say what a joke of a draft dodger big tough guy.
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    I will bet all Americans are really proud today of the meeting between these three. Trump wants to do away with NATO its going to be tough when WORLD WAR 3 does break out and the US fights against CHINA RUSSIA NORTH KOREA and all NATO says your on your own Trumpster what a joke of a President. Or should I say what a joke of a draft dodger big tough guy.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 4:06 PM ET #2

    all Americans saw today was the guy who was given billions of their tax dollars isn't getting anymore, and they are happy, I get that...Everything else you said 90% of Americans have no idea of.peace_5peace

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    all Americans saw today was the guy who was given billions of their tax dollars isn't getting anymore, and they are happy, I get that...Everything else you said 90% of Americans have no idea of.peace_5peace

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 4:17 PM ET #3

    Words can scarcely describe my utter disgust at this turn of events. Zelensky did what he could. He has more class in his pinky fingernail than Trump and Vance have in their entire bloated carcasses. Screw them! Mr Bones Spur’s blew a gasket because he couldn’t shake down Zelensky and Ukraine ! If Trumps next door neighbors house was on fire Trump would charge him for use of his hose and water!

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    Words can scarcely describe my utter disgust at this turn of events. Zelensky did what he could. He has more class in his pinky fingernail than Trump and Vance have in their entire bloated carcasses. Screw them! Mr Bones Spur’s blew a gasket because he couldn’t shake down Zelensky and Ukraine ! If Trumps next door neighbors house was on fire Trump would charge him for use of his hose and water!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 4:19 PM ET #4

    @Eddy_Winslow

     peace_5

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 4:28 PM ET #5

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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 5:10 PM ET #6

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      I have long held that Russia and China were jointly working to drain US resources (both money and munitions) for as long as possible before ramping up war efforts both in Ukraine and Taiwan while simultaneously calling in our debt

     

    Russia/Ukraine
    China/Taiwan
    Israel/Iran 

    A three front scenario, similar to WWII, where America's previously non-existent industrial base was put into hyper drive.  This is not a "boots on the ground" deal for the US but of course they would be the leading supplier of arms for Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel for their respective conflicts.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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      I have long held that Russia and China were jointly working to drain US resources (both money and munitions) for as long as possible before ramping up war efforts both in Ukraine and Taiwan while simultaneously calling in our debt

     

    Russia/Ukraine
    China/Taiwan
    Israel/Iran 

    A three front scenario, similar to WWII, where America's previously non-existent industrial base was put into hyper drive.  This is not a "boots on the ground" deal for the US but of course they would be the leading supplier of arms for Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel for their respective conflicts.  

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 5:25 PM ET #7

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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 5:48 PM ET #8

    There is a great possibility that many if not all of the NATO countries contributing to Ukraine’s defense have good reason to bolster their own defenses against an unreliable and increasingly hostile America.

    Trump wanted other NATO countries to spend more on defense, and now he’ll get his wish, but not in the way or for the reason that he wanted…..Will comrade Trump still keep the sanctions on Russia? 

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    There is a great possibility that many if not all of the NATO countries contributing to Ukraine’s defense have good reason to bolster their own defenses against an unreliable and increasingly hostile America.

    Trump wanted other NATO countries to spend more on defense, and now he’ll get his wish, but not in the way or for the reason that he wanted…..Will comrade Trump still keep the sanctions on Russia? 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 7:46 PM ET #9

    I've long held that while I'm no fan of the U.S. being the world's 'policeman', this idea to impose tariffs and charge people $5 mil for a path to citizenship or today with Zelensky, either an_worshipan_worship to me or like the Mafia I'm going to strong arm you Z man.

     

    It won't work, as the Europeans will give us the finger and we will fight WW3 on our own.

    Trump and Vance are bad 'leaders'.

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    I've long held that while I'm no fan of the U.S. being the world's 'policeman', this idea to impose tariffs and charge people $5 mil for a path to citizenship or today with Zelensky, either an_worshipan_worship to me or like the Mafia I'm going to strong arm you Z man.

     

    It won't work, as the Europeans will give us the finger and we will fight WW3 on our own.

    Trump and Vance are bad 'leaders'.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 8:12 PM ET #10

    Unusual embarassing meeting for U.S.. foreign policy. Oddly, argument erupted after Zelensky explained facts why Putin cannot be trusted for violating multiple peace agreements before. World should be worried that Trump and Vance are Putin  puppets interested only in a quick Ukraine surrender. Dictators who believe might makes right. Again Trump shows he is a deal breaker.

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    Unusual embarassing meeting for U.S.. foreign policy. Oddly, argument erupted after Zelensky explained facts why Putin cannot be trusted for violating multiple peace agreements before. World should be worried that Trump and Vance are Putin  puppets interested only in a quick Ukraine surrender. Dictators who believe might makes right. Again Trump shows he is a deal breaker.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 8:16 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by umgmu:

    I've long held that while I'm no fan of the U.S. being the world's 'policeman', this idea to impose tariffs and charge people $5 mil for a path to citizenship or today with Zelensky, either  to me or like the Mafia I'm going to strong arm you Z man.   It won't work, as the Europeans will give us the finger and we will fight WW3 on our own. Trump and Vance are bad 'leaders'.

    Why are liberals so obsessed with there being a World War 3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by umgmu:

    I've long held that while I'm no fan of the U.S. being the world's 'policeman', this idea to impose tariffs and charge people $5 mil for a path to citizenship or today with Zelensky, either  to me or like the Mafia I'm going to strong arm you Z man.   It won't work, as the Europeans will give us the finger and we will fight WW3 on our own. Trump and Vance are bad 'leaders'.

    Why are liberals so obsessed with there being a World War 3?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 8:45 PM ET #12

    The whole fucking thing was planned & staged by our government. 

    Zelensky & Rubio had no clue this was going to happen.

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    The whole fucking thing was planned & staged by our government. 

    Zelensky & Rubio had no clue this was going to happen.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 10:28 PM ET #13

    "I gotta be honest, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or the other" - JD Vance in 2022.

    Explains a lot about his behavior today.

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    "I gotta be honest, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or the other" - JD Vance in 2022.

    Explains a lot about his behavior today.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 11:23 PM ET #14

     One possible solution to get Trump interested again! Now it is just a thought, but has anyone suggested to Zelensky that he start a sex-trafficking ring in Romania? Y’know, since he’s having trouble getting on Trump’s good side… It worked once before!

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     One possible solution to get Trump interested again! Now it is just a thought, but has anyone suggested to Zelensky that he start a sex-trafficking ring in Romania? Y’know, since he’s having trouble getting on Trump’s good side… It worked once before!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 11:28 PM ET #15

    It's absolutely laughable that Trump and Putin worked out a "deal" without the input of Zelensky.  Even more laughable that the "deal" included Ukraine paying reparations TO RUSSIA.

    Not a good look when the president is a stooge for Putin and Russia.

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    It's absolutely laughable that Trump and Putin worked out a "deal" without the input of Zelensky.  Even more laughable that the "deal" included Ukraine paying reparations TO RUSSIA.

    Not a good look when the president is a stooge for Putin and Russia.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2025 - 11:55 PM ET #16

     Let's not forget how it started. Putin licked his chops when Biden got elected prez, then quickly went to work. Everyone could see what was going on. But when you elect someone whose toughest warning is "don't", this is what happens. I feel bad for the Ukrainian people.

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     Let's not forget how it started. Putin licked his chops when Biden got elected prez, then quickly went to work. Everyone could see what was going on. But when you elect someone whose toughest warning is "don't", this is what happens. I feel bad for the Ukrainian people.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2025 - 12:30 AM ET #17

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    Look at the Russian economy! Look at the Russian casualties! No Putin is no longer licking his chops…If he is it’s because of Trump and his reversal on 75 years of foreign policy! Ukraine wants nothing to duo with Russia they want to part of the western free world economy! They back this dream with hundreds of thousands of dead bodies! With our and NATO support of sanctions and supplies Russia is choking to it is the point reaching out China & North Korea and make deals they never would have considered! …..This is Trump serving up Putin an incredible change of position in that Ukraine is basically surrendering …Why ? They haven’t lost will to survive and hope of freedom, the cost to us is 300 billion not one soldier vs a country that pledged to bury us ! Trump will piss 10x that amount on tax cuts in a blink of a eye that most will hardly see!

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    Look at the Russian economy! Look at the Russian casualties! No Putin is no longer licking his chops…If he is it’s because of Trump and his reversal on 75 years of foreign policy! Ukraine wants nothing to duo with Russia they want to part of the western free world economy! They back this dream with hundreds of thousands of dead bodies! With our and NATO support of sanctions and supplies Russia is choking to it is the point reaching out China & North Korea and make deals they never would have considered! …..This is Trump serving up Putin an incredible change of position in that Ukraine is basically surrendering …Why ? They haven’t lost will to survive and hope of freedom, the cost to us is 300 billion not one soldier vs a country that pledged to bury us ! Trump will piss 10x that amount on tax cuts in a blink of a eye that most will hardly see!

     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2025 - 12:38 AM ET #18

    Trump is an agent of Russia.

     

    He is not only dismantling the US government, he’s kicking Ukraine in the teeth.

    Why?

    Because he’s working for Russia.

    The tariffs are just another example of Trump stealing average Americans’ buying power.  He’s a self serving POS.

    Keep at it.
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    Trump is an agent of Russia.

     

    He is not only dismantling the US government, he’s kicking Ukraine in the teeth.

    Why?

    Because he’s working for Russia.

    The tariffs are just another example of Trump stealing average Americans’ buying power.  He’s a self serving POS.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2025 - 2:13 AM ET #19

    How the Western allies react to the Pres. Trump and VP Vance berate Ukraine President Zelensky at the White House earlier today? 

    European allies were quick to stand up for Ukraine

    "Your dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people," wrote António Costa, president of the European Council. "Be strong, be brave, be fearless. You will never be alone, dear President Zelensky.

    How Aussie Prime Minister Anthony Albanese reacts to "wild" meeting between Ukraine Pres. Zelensky and U.S. President Trump and VP Vance?

    Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has maintained Australia stands firmly with Ukraine, after Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump engaged in a heated public debate.*

    *SkyNews

    "We stand with Ukraine," he (Anthony Albanese) said. "The people of Ukraine are fighting not just for their own national sovereignty, they are fighting for the international rule of law.

    Ukraine President Zelensky has staunch support from the Western democratic nation leaders after being berated by Trump and Vance earlier Friday. 

    "Ukraine can rely on Germany – and on Europe."--German Chancellor Olaf Scholz*

    Reuters

     

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    How the Western allies react to the Pres. Trump and VP Vance berate Ukraine President Zelensky at the White House earlier today? 

    European allies were quick to stand up for Ukraine

    "Your dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people," wrote António Costa, president of the European Council. "Be strong, be brave, be fearless. You will never be alone, dear President Zelensky.

    How Aussie Prime Minister Anthony Albanese reacts to "wild" meeting between Ukraine Pres. Zelensky and U.S. President Trump and VP Vance?

    Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has maintained Australia stands firmly with Ukraine, after Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump engaged in a heated public debate.*

    *SkyNews

    "We stand with Ukraine," he (Anthony Albanese) said. "The people of Ukraine are fighting not just for their own national sovereignty, they are fighting for the international rule of law.

    Ukraine President Zelensky has staunch support from the Western democratic nation leaders after being berated by Trump and Vance earlier Friday. 

    "Ukraine can rely on Germany – and on Europe."--German Chancellor Olaf Scholz*

    Reuters

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2025 - 9:34 AM ET #20

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    “Simultaneously calling in our debt”

    LMAO an_roll_laugh

    What makes you think Trump won’t stiff them like he’s stiffed everybody else in his lifetime?

    The man holds the Guinness World Record for stiffing people and second place ain’t even close.

    Come get your money everybody!!! an_razz

     

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    “Simultaneously calling in our debt”

    LMAO an_roll_laugh

    What makes you think Trump won’t stiff them like he’s stiffed everybody else in his lifetime?

    The man holds the Guinness World Record for stiffing people and second place ain’t even close.

    Come get your money everybody!!! an_razz

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2025 - 9:38 AM ET #21

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    Actually I’d think Trump and the US will now be in violation of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, signed on December 5, 1994, between Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom. This is the reason Biden and NATO have supported Ukraine!….If Roosevelt had Trumps mush brains Europe would be speaking German as a language ! Are allies never repaid lend Lease…I doubt they paid the interest, That’s because Americans had a moral identity & a conscious they cared, they believed in justice, they were generous! Today 40 % of Americans wouldn’t now the truth if it were sitting right in front of them, The Greatest Generation would be applauded at yesterday’s episode of the Apprentice! JMHO 

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    Actually I’d think Trump and the US will now be in violation of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, signed on December 5, 1994, between Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom. This is the reason Biden and NATO have supported Ukraine!….If Roosevelt had Trumps mush brains Europe would be speaking German as a language ! Are allies never repaid lend Lease…I doubt they paid the interest, That’s because Americans had a moral identity & a conscious they cared, they believed in justice, they were generous! Today 40 % of Americans wouldn’t now the truth if it were sitting right in front of them, The Greatest Generation would be applauded at yesterday’s episode of the Apprentice! JMHO 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    @unplucked_gem   I have long held that Russia and China were jointly working to drain US resources (both money and munitions) for as long as possible before ramping up war efforts both in Ukraine and Taiwan while simultaneously calling in our debt   Russia/UkraineChina/TaiwanIsrael/Iran  A three front scenario, similar to WWII, where America's previously non-existent industrial base was put into hyper drive.  This is not a "boots on the ground" deal for the US but of course they would be the leading supplier of arms for Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel for their respective conflicts.

    Russia has spent a larger amount of resources in the last 3 years, It’s obvious they have been looted for years by the Billionaire society, Short of Nuclear there stock pile which condition is unknown they are a paper tiger making deals with anyone that will help support there Ukraine war…They were praying Trump would get then victorious decision yesterday to help Putin save face to his nation! Well he didn’t get it! They will have to continue to support there own horrendous economy that is worsening by the month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    @unplucked_gem   I have long held that Russia and China were jointly working to drain US resources (both money and munitions) for as long as possible before ramping up war efforts both in Ukraine and Taiwan while simultaneously calling in our debt   Russia/UkraineChina/TaiwanIsrael/Iran  A three front scenario, similar to WWII, where America's previously non-existent industrial base was put into hyper drive.  This is not a "boots on the ground" deal for the US but of course they would be the leading supplier of arms for Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel for their respective conflicts.

    Russia has spent a larger amount of resources in the last 3 years, It’s obvious they have been looted for years by the Billionaire society, Short of Nuclear there stock pile which condition is unknown they are a paper tiger making deals with anyone that will help support there Ukraine war…They were praying Trump would get then victorious decision yesterday to help Putin save face to his nation! Well he didn’t get it! They will have to continue to support there own horrendous economy that is worsening by the month.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2025 - 10:24 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by Cranky_Hank:

    Trump is an agent of Russia.   He is not only dismantling the US government, he’s kicking Ukraine in the teeth. Why? Because he’s working for Russia. The tariffs are just another example of Trump stealing average Americans’ buying power.  He’s a self serving POS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranky_Hank:

    Trump is an agent of Russia.   He is not only dismantling the US government, he’s kicking Ukraine in the teeth. Why? Because he’s working for Russia. The tariffs are just another example of Trump stealing average Americans’ buying power.  He’s a self serving POS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    @THEMUGG Look at the Russian economy! Look at the Russian casualties! No Putin is no longer licking his chops…If he is it’s because of Trump and his reversal on 75 years of foreign policy!

    Ukraine wants nothing to duo with Russia they want to part of the western free world economy!

    They back this dream with hundreds of thousands of dead bodies! With our and NATO support of sanctions and supplies Russia is choking to it is the point reaching out China & North Korea and make deals they never would have considered! …..This is Trump serving up Putin an incredible change of position in that Ukraine is basically surrendering …Why ? They haven’t lost will to survive and hope of freedom, the cost to us is 300 billion not one soldier vs a country that pledged to bury us ! Trump will piss 10x that amount on tax cuts in a blink of a eye that most will hardly see!

     

    You got that half right. Ukraine had elected a pro-Russian president. He was elected primarily by pro-Russian citizens in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. That president was ousted in 2014 by Western Ukraine citizens and replaced by Western Ukraine. But that's ok, right? Because they were comrades, cozy to Russia? No, they were/are people just like you and me! an_light

    It would be like Trump actually had an armed insurrection that booted Biden out and Trump took over. Half the country would be very upset, fight back. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    @THEMUGG Look at the Russian economy! Look at the Russian casualties! No Putin is no longer licking his chops…If he is it’s because of Trump and his reversal on 75 years of foreign policy!

    Ukraine wants nothing to duo with Russia they want to part of the western free world economy!

    They back this dream with hundreds of thousands of dead bodies! With our and NATO support of sanctions and supplies Russia is choking to it is the point reaching out China & North Korea and make deals they never would have considered! …..This is Trump serving up Putin an incredible change of position in that Ukraine is basically surrendering …Why ? They haven’t lost will to survive and hope of freedom, the cost to us is 300 billion not one soldier vs a country that pledged to bury us ! Trump will piss 10x that amount on tax cuts in a blink of a eye that most will hardly see!

     

    You got that half right. Ukraine had elected a pro-Russian president. He was elected primarily by pro-Russian citizens in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. That president was ousted in 2014 by Western Ukraine citizens and replaced by Western Ukraine. But that's ok, right? Because they were comrades, cozy to Russia? No, they were/are people just like you and me! an_light

    It would be like Trump actually had an armed insurrection that booted Biden out and Trump took over. Half the country would be very upset, fight back. 

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