Art of the Deal ...President Trump bans Chinese technology company ZTE...then offers to find a remedy to save it and get it back in business....in exchange for China urging North Korea to proceed with President Trump's summit with NK in Singapore..
The world's best deal-maker.......... President Donald J.Trump
Art of the Deal ...President Trump bans Chinese technology company ZTE...then offers to find a remedy to save it and get it back in business....in exchange for China urging North Korea to proceed with President Trump's summit with NK in Singapore..
The world's best deal-maker.......... President Donald J.Trump
Art of the Deal ...President Trump bans Chinese technology company ZTE...then offers to find a remedy to save it and get it back in business....in exchange for China urging North Korea to proceed with President Trump's summit with NK in Singapore.. The world's best deal-maker.......... President Donald J.Trump
You're smarter than this, Slim. This has nothing to do with North Korea and everything to do with kickbacks.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Art of the Deal ...President Trump bans Chinese technology company ZTE...then offers to find a remedy to save it and get it back in business....in exchange for China urging North Korea to proceed with President Trump's summit with NK in Singapore.. The world's best deal-maker.......... President Donald J.Trump
You're smarter than this, Slim. This has nothing to do with North Korea and everything to do with kickbacks.
And the Chinese government used ZTE hardware to spy on America. American phone companies were barred from selling ZTE phones because of this.Now all of a sudden Trump is buddy buddy. After campaigning against China. Not surprising. Trump manufactured goods in China (probably still does) and bought Chinese steel (but he cares about American Steel Workers?) The man is a snake oil saleman. Is what it is. I like his approach to foreign policy but there are many policies I disagree with.
You can insult me by judging by level of smartness if you like Stu,but I try to get my facts right...and one fact I do know is ...there's no substantial proof of espionage/spying by ZTE,, that has ever been established ..
No proof..
Heads of our intelligence agencies cited concerns that the company may be
using their technology to spy on US consumers, and then sharing that
data with the Chinese government, but again none of our agencies has
provided evidence showing that, that behavior actually took place.
..and ZTE was not banned because the Chinese government used ZTE hardware to spy on America .....
.
It was banned because ZTE violated US sanctions against North Korea and Iran ......violating sanctions and illegally shipping....the US determined that the hardware could be used for cyber espionage...no proof that it was use..
You are right ... President Trump did and still rails against China ..but he has always been friendly with President Xi Jinping ever since their first meeting....
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
And the Chinese government used ZTE hardware to spy on America. American phone companies were barred from selling ZTE phones because of this.Now all of a sudden Trump is buddy buddy. After campaigning against China. Not surprising. Trump manufactured goods in China (probably still does) and bought Chinese steel (but he cares about American Steel Workers?) The man is a snake oil saleman. Is what it is. I like his approach to foreign policy but there are many policies I disagree with.
You can insult me by judging by level of smartness if you like Stu,but I try to get my facts right...and one fact I do know is ...there's no substantial proof of espionage/spying by ZTE,, that has ever been established ..
No proof..
Heads of our intelligence agencies cited concerns that the company may be
using their technology to spy on US consumers, and then sharing that
data with the Chinese government, but again none of our agencies has
provided evidence showing that, that behavior actually took place.
..and ZTE was not banned because the Chinese government used ZTE hardware to spy on America .....
.
It was banned because ZTE violated US sanctions against North Korea and Iran ......violating sanctions and illegally shipping....the US determined that the hardware could be used for cyber espionage...no proof that it was use..
You are right ... President Trump did and still rails against China ..but he has always been friendly with President Xi Jinping ever since their first meeting....
And the Chinese government used ZTE hardware to spy on America. American phone companies were barred from selling ZTE phones because of this. Now all of a sudden Trump is buddy buddy. After campaigning against China. Not surprising. Trump manufactured goods in China (probably still does) and bought Chinese steel (but he cares about American Steel Workers?) The man is a snake oil saleman. Is what it is. I like his approach to foreign policy but there are many policies I disagree with.
You can insult me by judging by level of smartness if you like Stu,but I try to get my facts right...and one fact I do know is ...there's no substantial proof of espionage/spying by ZTE,, that has ever been established ..No proof..Heads of our intelligence agencies cited concerns that the company may be using their technology to spy on US consumers, and then sharing that data with the Chinese government, but again none of our agencies has provided evidence showing that, that behavior actually took place. ..and ZTE was not banned because the Chinese government used ZTE hardware to spy on America ...... It was banned because ZTE violated US sanctions against North Korea and Iran ......violating sanctions and illegally shipping....the US determined that the hardware could be used for cyber espionage...no proof that it was use..You are right ... President Trump did and still rails against China ..but he has always been friendly with President Xi Jinping ever since their first meeting....
I think you've got your head in the sand in defense of your party but given that I respect your opinion, given that you are one of the few people on this site that does deal in facts, and given that i'm not a democrat and therefore have no axe to grind, i'll let this one go.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
And the Chinese government used ZTE hardware to spy on America. American phone companies were barred from selling ZTE phones because of this. Now all of a sudden Trump is buddy buddy. After campaigning against China. Not surprising. Trump manufactured goods in China (probably still does) and bought Chinese steel (but he cares about American Steel Workers?) The man is a snake oil saleman. Is what it is. I like his approach to foreign policy but there are many policies I disagree with.
You can insult me by judging by level of smartness if you like Stu,but I try to get my facts right...and one fact I do know is ...there's no substantial proof of espionage/spying by ZTE,, that has ever been established ..No proof..Heads of our intelligence agencies cited concerns that the company may be using their technology to spy on US consumers, and then sharing that data with the Chinese government, but again none of our agencies has provided evidence showing that, that behavior actually took place. ..and ZTE was not banned because the Chinese government used ZTE hardware to spy on America ...... It was banned because ZTE violated US sanctions against North Korea and Iran ......violating sanctions and illegally shipping....the US determined that the hardware could be used for cyber espionage...no proof that it was use..You are right ... President Trump did and still rails against China ..but he has always been friendly with President Xi Jinping ever since their first meeting....
I think you've got your head in the sand in defense of your party but given that I respect your opinion, given that you are one of the few people on this site that does deal in facts, and given that i'm not a democrat and therefore have no axe to grind, i'll let this one go.
You can insult me by judging by level of smartness if you like Stu,but I try to get my facts right...and one fact I do know is ...there's no substantial proof of espionage/spying by ZTE,, that has ever been established ..No proof..Heads of our intelligence agencies cited concerns that the company may be using their technology to spy on US consumers, and then sharing that data with the Chinese government, but again none of our agencies has provided evidence showing that, that behavior actually took place. ..and ZTE was not banned because the Chinese government used ZTE hardware to spy on America ...... It was banned because ZTE violated US sanctions against North Korea and Iran ......violating sanctions and illegally shipping....the US determined that the hardware could be used for cyber espionage...no proof that it was use..You are right ... President Trump did and still rails against China ..but he has always been friendly with President Xi Jinping ever since their first meeting....
I think you've got your head in the sand in defense of your party but given that I respect your opinion, given that you are one of the few people on this site that does deal in facts, and given that i'm not a democrat and therefore have no axe to grind, i'll let this one go.
It's not his head .
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
You can insult me by judging by level of smartness if you like Stu,but I try to get my facts right...and one fact I do know is ...there's no substantial proof of espionage/spying by ZTE,, that has ever been established ..No proof..Heads of our intelligence agencies cited concerns that the company may be using their technology to spy on US consumers, and then sharing that data with the Chinese government, but again none of our agencies has provided evidence showing that, that behavior actually took place. ..and ZTE was not banned because the Chinese government used ZTE hardware to spy on America ...... It was banned because ZTE violated US sanctions against North Korea and Iran ......violating sanctions and illegally shipping....the US determined that the hardware could be used for cyber espionage...no proof that it was use..You are right ... President Trump did and still rails against China ..but he has always been friendly with President Xi Jinping ever since their first meeting....
I think you've got your head in the sand in defense of your party but given that I respect your opinion, given that you are one of the few people on this site that does deal in facts, and given that i'm not a democrat and therefore have no axe to grind, i'll let this one go.
You'll let this one go....Gee,, thanks Stu that's very liberal of you...
Damn, why are you being a lil punk with me. I've never been that way with you. You put "let this one go" in italics as if we have a bunch of disagreements on here. Or as if you're painting me as someone who thinks he's always right, discounts other people's opinions, but i'm benevolent enough to give you a pass. I'm really not the one, bro. I'm not darkhorse and i'm not Wally just like i'm not Tox and i'm not Tilt. I don't get all agro in these arguments. In fact I barely engage in them. And when I do, I respect everyone's opinion with the exception of Sabanesque. All I was saying is we have a difference of opinions on that one subject but because I respect your opinions, and I appreciate your commitment to facts, I wasn't going to debate it further. If my wording left something to be desired...well, I guess I figured we would've been cool enough for you to, I don't know, LET THAT ONE GO!
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
You'll let this one go....Gee,, thanks Stu that's very liberal of you...
Damn, why are you being a lil punk with me. I've never been that way with you. You put "let this one go" in italics as if we have a bunch of disagreements on here. Or as if you're painting me as someone who thinks he's always right, discounts other people's opinions, but i'm benevolent enough to give you a pass. I'm really not the one, bro. I'm not darkhorse and i'm not Wally just like i'm not Tox and i'm not Tilt. I don't get all agro in these arguments. In fact I barely engage in them. And when I do, I respect everyone's opinion with the exception of Sabanesque. All I was saying is we have a difference of opinions on that one subject but because I respect your opinions, and I appreciate your commitment to facts, I wasn't going to debate it further. If my wording left something to be desired...well, I guess I figured we would've been cool enough for you to, I don't know, LET THAT ONE GO!
That's why instead of just commenting on the subject you make comments about me....e .g.head in the sand ...smarter than and now the big one...lil punk..( I especially like that one ..you really put me in my place with that one.)
...and not to mention the little jab about your party comment..
Stu,I respect those that give me respect in kind..
But,,If I'm attacked for no reason like you did ..I fire back.... get it ?
I hope you do ..and I also hope ,that we are still kool...
You respect my opinion....right.
That's why instead of just commenting on the subject you make comments about me....e .g.head in the sand ...smarter than and now the big one...lil punk..( I especially like that one ..you really put me in my place with that one.)
...and not to mention the little jab about your party comment..
Stu,I respect those that give me respect in kind..
But,,If I'm attacked for no reason like you did ..I fire back.... get it ?
I hope you do ..and I also hope ,that we are still kool...
You respect my opinion....right.That's why instead of just commenting on the subject you make comments about me....e .g.head in the sand ...smarter than and now the big one...lil punk..( I especially like that one ..you really put me in my place with that one.)...and not to mention the little jab about your party comment..Stu,I respect those that give me respect in kind..But,,If I'm attacked for no reason like you did ..I fire back.... get it ?I hope you do ..and I also hope ,that we are still kool...
Dude, if you're menstruating just f*cking say so. I would've left you be. I'm not your f*cking husband and i'm not about to humor your whining. Yes, this post is meant to be disrespect.
You guys have been going back and forth in this forum for so long that it's beginning to break you all down mentally. If you're taking those "bullet points" you listed and extrapolating some perceived disrespect from it, well I will make it a point to make sure the disrespect is front and center from now on.
You said "your party". You said I "had my head in the sand." Give me a f*cking break. You know the problem with written word. Without emphasis, and tone, inflection, you really can't tell what someones intent is. So you begin to find insult and disrespect in the most innocuous of phrases and passages. It's the classic "What do you mean, "you people"?
I think I have to maybe keep away from this asylum. I'm beginning to feel like Randle McMurphy. The more time I spend around the crazy @ss inmates in the political forum i'm just hastening the day when it comes to light that I am, in fact, just as crazy.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
You respect my opinion....right.That's why instead of just commenting on the subject you make comments about me....e .g.head in the sand ...smarter than and now the big one...lil punk..( I especially like that one ..you really put me in my place with that one.)...and not to mention the little jab about your party comment..Stu,I respect those that give me respect in kind..But,,If I'm attacked for no reason like you did ..I fire back.... get it ?I hope you do ..and I also hope ,that we are still kool...
Dude, if you're menstruating just f*cking say so. I would've left you be. I'm not your f*cking husband and i'm not about to humor your whining. Yes, this post is meant to be disrespect.
You guys have been going back and forth in this forum for so long that it's beginning to break you all down mentally. If you're taking those "bullet points" you listed and extrapolating some perceived disrespect from it, well I will make it a point to make sure the disrespect is front and center from now on.
You said "your party". You said I "had my head in the sand." Give me a f*cking break. You know the problem with written word. Without emphasis, and tone, inflection, you really can't tell what someones intent is. So you begin to find insult and disrespect in the most innocuous of phrases and passages. It's the classic "What do you mean, "you people"?
I think I have to maybe keep away from this asylum. I'm beginning to feel like Randle McMurphy. The more time I spend around the crazy @ss inmates in the political forum i'm just hastening the day when it comes to light that I am, in fact, just as crazy.
Dude, if you're menstruating just f*cking say so. I would've left you be. I'm not your f*cking husband and i'm not about to humor your whining. Yes, this post is meant to be disrespect.
Now who's acting the PUNK ?
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Dude, if you're menstruating just f*cking say so. I would've left you be. I'm not your f*cking husband and i'm not about to humor your whining. Yes, this post is meant to be disrespect.
Stu,Look,, I had a bad day yesterday..and acted quit the diick for my part.Lets through it over our shoulder...No hard feelings .....
Dude, you already had an apology coming from me whether you accept it or not. However much I can force myself to disrespect you, the fact is you're one of the people I respect most on this site. Regardless of what I said, I have no beef with you.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Stu,Look,, I had a bad day yesterday..and acted quit the diick for my part.Lets through it over our shoulder...No hard feelings .....
Dude, you already had an apology coming from me whether you accept it or not. However much I can force myself to disrespect you, the fact is you're one of the people I respect most on this site. Regardless of what I said, I have no beef with you.
According to yahoo, 200 members of congress are bringing a emolument lawsuit against Trump because of conflicts of interest. Corrupt Trump is a magnet for foreign governments seeking to influence his administration by indirectly paying his businesses. China's ZTE is just one of many violations of ethics by corrupt Trump acting in self interest instead of for the benefit of US only.
According to yahoo, 200 members of congress are bringing a emolument lawsuit against Trump because of conflicts of interest. Corrupt Trump is a magnet for foreign governments seeking to influence his administration by indirectly paying his businesses. China's ZTE is just one of many violations of ethics by corrupt Trump acting in self interest instead of for the benefit of US only.
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