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    Trump, Epstein friendship in the news again

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    Sidehatch
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 8:22 PM ET #1

    Let’s take a look back:


    Epstein:

    - visited Mar a Lago

    - had Trump, Melania in his address book

    - had Ghislaine Maxwell recruit one of the victims from a Mar a Lago locker room

    - Other evidence of Trump’s acquaintance with Epstein has surfaced in court filings: One filing said Epstein’s brother, Mark, recalled in 2009 that Trump had flown on Epstein’s plane at least once.

    - In addition, Vice News reported that a message pad, obtained by investigators from Epstein’s home, showed Trump had left two phone messages for him in November 2004.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-called-epstein-a-terrific-guy-before-denying-relationship-with-him/2019/07/08/a01e0f00-a1be-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Let’s take a look back:


    Epstein:

    - visited Mar a Lago

    - had Trump, Melania in his address book

    - had Ghislaine Maxwell recruit one of the victims from a Mar a Lago locker room

    - Other evidence of Trump’s acquaintance with Epstein has surfaced in court filings: One filing said Epstein’s brother, Mark, recalled in 2009 that Trump had flown on Epstein’s plane at least once.

    - In addition, Vice News reported that a message pad, obtained by investigators from Epstein’s home, showed Trump had left two phone messages for him in November 2004.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-called-epstein-a-terrific-guy-before-denying-relationship-with-him/2019/07/08/a01e0f00-a1be-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 8:24 PM ET #2

    During Maxwell's 2021 trial, it was revealed that Trump had flown several times on Epstein's jet, dubbed the "Lolita Express," in the 1990s.


    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-flights-jeffrey-epstein-jet-lolita-express-1857109

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    During Maxwell's 2021 trial, it was revealed that Trump had flown several times on Epstein's jet, dubbed the "Lolita Express," in the 1990s.


    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-flights-jeffrey-epstein-jet-lolita-express-1857109

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 8:30 PM ET #3

    Slick Willie Clinton is the most prominent name I've heard so far.

    The Maxwell documents have been released with hundreds of PDF's of evidence etc.

    Check out Court Listener for the data.

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    Slick Willie Clinton is the most prominent name I've heard so far.

    The Maxwell documents have been released with hundreds of PDF's of evidence etc.

    Check out Court Listener for the data.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 8:45 PM ET #4

    I highly doubt the full and comprehensive list would ever be made public.

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    I highly doubt the full and comprehensive list would ever be made public.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 8:48 PM ET #5

    Release the list!!!!

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    Release the list!!!!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 8:48 PM ET #6

    “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine that year for a story headlined “Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery.” “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

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    “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine that year for a story headlined “Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery.” “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 8:49 PM ET #7

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    There are like 17 Trump threads on the first page and like 6 are your threads.

    There are even a few Epstein threads.

    Did you really need to start another one confused

    Besides all of this was addressed -- and in those threads.  A lot of rich folks use each other's jets all the time.

    So far nothing more than that has shown up.  Flew on the plane BUT not to Epstein's Island.

    Trump flew four times in 1993, as well as once in 1994, 1995 and 1997. The flights were between Palm Beach, Florida, and New York City airports, with one 1994 flight stopping at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.

    Their falling out has been addressed already as well.

    If you are going to start an entirely new thread, at least bring us new news.

    peace_5

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    an_roll_laugh

     

    There are like 17 Trump threads on the first page and like 6 are your threads.

    There are even a few Epstein threads.

    Did you really need to start another one confused

    Besides all of this was addressed -- and in those threads.  A lot of rich folks use each other's jets all the time.

    So far nothing more than that has shown up.  Flew on the plane BUT not to Epstein's Island.

    Trump flew four times in 1993, as well as once in 1994, 1995 and 1997. The flights were between Palm Beach, Florida, and New York City airports, with one 1994 flight stopping at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.

    Their falling out has been addressed already as well.

    If you are going to start an entirely new thread, at least bring us new news.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 10:52 PM ET #8

    I agree, Trump’s friendship with Epstein is in the news again. Will be an interesting couple of days. I wonder why Trump says he didn’t know him? I mean that’s an obvious lie

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    I agree, Trump’s friendship with Epstein is in the news again. Will be an interesting couple of days. I wonder why Trump says he didn’t know him? I mean that’s an obvious lie

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 11:29 PM ET #9

    Trump confirms he threw Jeffrey Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago

    President Trump confirmed reports that he threw Jeffrey Epstein out of his Mar-a-Lago club years ago, adding, "I was not a fan of Jeffrey Epstein."

    "Jeffrey Epstein was not somebody that I respected. I threw him out. In fact I think the great James Patterson, who’s a member of Mar-a-Lago, made a statement yesterday, that many years ago I threw him out. I’m not a fan of Jeffrey Epstein."

    Trump continued: “I didn’t want anything to do with him. That was many, many years ago. It shows you one thing -- that I have good taste."

    Trump added that reporters should look into the people who went to Epstein’s private island.

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    Trump confirms he threw Jeffrey Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago

    President Trump confirmed reports that he threw Jeffrey Epstein out of his Mar-a-Lago club years ago, adding, "I was not a fan of Jeffrey Epstein."

    "Jeffrey Epstein was not somebody that I respected. I threw him out. In fact I think the great James Patterson, who’s a member of Mar-a-Lago, made a statement yesterday, that many years ago I threw him out. I’m not a fan of Jeffrey Epstein."

    Trump continued: “I didn’t want anything to do with him. That was many, many years ago. It shows you one thing -- that I have good taste."

    Trump added that reporters should look into the people who went to Epstein’s private island.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 11:31 PM ET #10

    Fact check: Trump did not send tweet claiming not to know Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell

    Social media users are circulating a fictitious tweet purportedly from U.S. President Donald Trump, which states that he never met Ghislaine Maxwell and didn’t know Jeffrey Epstein.

    There is no evidence to suggest the tweet is legitimate. It does not appear on Trump’s timeline, nor does it appear in Twitter searches for posts with this wording. No news outlets reported that Trump tweeted this.

    According to Politwoops, a project by ProPublica that archives deleted tweets from politicians, no such tweet has not been deleted from his page (here).

    The posts, which have been shared hundreds of times on social media (here , here , here ), place the screenshot of the fictitious tweet alongside a series of authentic images of Trump with Maxwell and Epstein.

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    Fact check: Trump did not send tweet claiming not to know Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell

    Social media users are circulating a fictitious tweet purportedly from U.S. President Donald Trump, which states that he never met Ghislaine Maxwell and didn’t know Jeffrey Epstein.

    There is no evidence to suggest the tweet is legitimate. It does not appear on Trump’s timeline, nor does it appear in Twitter searches for posts with this wording. No news outlets reported that Trump tweeted this.

    According to Politwoops, a project by ProPublica that archives deleted tweets from politicians, no such tweet has not been deleted from his page (here).

    The posts, which have been shared hundreds of times on social media (here , here , here ), place the screenshot of the fictitious tweet alongside a series of authentic images of Trump with Maxwell and Epstein.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 11:33 PM ET #11

    Trump addresses Jeffrey Epstein connection, claims the two haven't spoken in 15 years after a 'falling out'

     

    President Donald Trump addressed questions Tuesday in the Oval Office about his friendship with wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted sex offender currently facing federal charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy.

    "Well I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him," Trump said. "He was a fixture of Palm Beach. I had a falling out with him a long time ago, I don't think I've spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn't a fan."

    Trump told New York Magazine in 2002 that Epstein was "a terrific guy" and "a lot of fun to be with." His comments have received additional scrutiny after Epstein's arrest, since Trump also noted that Epstein liked women "on the younger side."

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    Trump addresses Jeffrey Epstein connection, claims the two haven't spoken in 15 years after a 'falling out'

     

    President Donald Trump addressed questions Tuesday in the Oval Office about his friendship with wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted sex offender currently facing federal charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy.

    "Well I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him," Trump said. "He was a fixture of Palm Beach. I had a falling out with him a long time ago, I don't think I've spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn't a fan."

    Trump told New York Magazine in 2002 that Epstein was "a terrific guy" and "a lot of fun to be with." His comments have received additional scrutiny after Epstein's arrest, since Trump also noted that Epstein liked women "on the younger side."

     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2024 - 11:34 PM ET #12

    So, who knows? 

    I guess we shall see as more comes out.

    peace_5

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    So, who knows? 

    I guess we shall see as more comes out.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 11:01 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I highly doubt the full and comprehensive list would ever be made public.

    They've had all of this evidence since the FBI raided his NYC home in 2019.  Hard drives, discs, tapes etc. were all recovered from his safe.  The videos / names / evidence will never see the light of day peace_5

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I highly doubt the full and comprehensive list would ever be made public.

    They've had all of this evidence since the FBI raided his NYC home in 2019.  Hard drives, discs, tapes etc. were all recovered from his safe.  The videos / names / evidence will never see the light of day peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 11:46 AM ET #14

    Who killed jfk. Epstein list... would be nice if the govt shares with us... for the people by the people.. guess now it's BUY the people..

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    Who killed jfk. Epstein list... would be nice if the govt shares with us... for the people by the people.. guess now it's BUY the people..

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 11:46 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Let’s take a look back: Epstein: - visited Mar a Lago - had Trump, Melania in his address book - had Ghislaine Maxwell recruit one of the victims from a Mar a Lago locker room
    It's all going to get even more messy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Let’s take a look back: Epstein: - visited Mar a Lago - had Trump, Melania in his address book - had Ghislaine Maxwell recruit one of the victims from a Mar a Lago locker room
    It's all going to get even more messy

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 12:08 PM ET #16

    @Zeus4par

     Foops, I mean Zeus.... how is it "going to get more messy" exactly ??  What other information are you expecting to come out that hasn't already??  

    I'm genuinely curious if you could please so eloquently expand on your assertion....thanks Z.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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    @Zeus4par

     Foops, I mean Zeus.... how is it "going to get more messy" exactly ??  What other information are you expecting to come out that hasn't already??  

    I'm genuinely curious if you could please so eloquently expand on your assertion....thanks Z.  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 12:23 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Let’s take a look back: Epstein: - visited Mar a Lago - had Trump, Melania in his address book - had Ghislaine Maxwell recruit one of the victims from a Mar a Lago locker room It's all going to get even more messy

    Indeed. When all the tea is spilled on Clinton, it will be messy. However Trump kinda comes out looking golden in this whole mess. By all accounts and what's out there it seems as if Trump knew Epstein, as one would expect two business men would know each other, they partied together. And Trump was like, "Man, these chicks Jeff always has hanging around look a little too young." And he cut ties. Melania probably got on his helmet. Those eastern Europeans don't mess around. They'll stay in their lane and respect the man in public but they'll get in your shit in private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Let’s take a look back: Epstein: - visited Mar a Lago - had Trump, Melania in his address book - had Ghislaine Maxwell recruit one of the victims from a Mar a Lago locker room It's all going to get even more messy

    Indeed. When all the tea is spilled on Clinton, it will be messy. However Trump kinda comes out looking golden in this whole mess. By all accounts and what's out there it seems as if Trump knew Epstein, as one would expect two business men would know each other, they partied together. And Trump was like, "Man, these chicks Jeff always has hanging around look a little too young." And he cut ties. Melania probably got on his helmet. Those eastern Europeans don't mess around. They'll stay in their lane and respect the man in public but they'll get in your shit in private.

     
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    I find it actually silly when partisan kids try to act like Trump was not involved when there is video of him with the guy, Trump has a history of being sexually aggressive and proud of it all his life, he has cheated on pretty much any woman he has ever been involved with and is not shy about bragging to admit it. Are we so stupid that it is not obvious that he had some involvement if not a large involvement? Trump is very similar to Clinton with regards to sexual aggressiveness but it is funny how since Clinton is out of the scene his name comes out and its not a big deal but what about current guys like Trump or Gates or others? 

    Trump for sure has involvement but as I stated above we will never know who all was hip deep including large unknown politicians and business leaders.

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    I find it actually silly when partisan kids try to act like Trump was not involved when there is video of him with the guy, Trump has a history of being sexually aggressive and proud of it all his life, he has cheated on pretty much any woman he has ever been involved with and is not shy about bragging to admit it. Are we so stupid that it is not obvious that he had some involvement if not a large involvement? Trump is very similar to Clinton with regards to sexual aggressiveness but it is funny how since Clinton is out of the scene his name comes out and its not a big deal but what about current guys like Trump or Gates or others? 

    Trump for sure has involvement but as I stated above we will never know who all was hip deep including large unknown politicians and business leaders.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I find it actually silly when partisan kids try to act like Trump was not involved when there is video of him with the guy, Trump has a history of being sexually aggressive and proud of it all his life, he has cheated on pretty much any woman he has ever been involved with and is not shy about bragging to admit it. Are we so stupid that it is not obvious that he had some involvement if not a large involvement? Trump is very similar to Clinton with regards to sexual aggressiveness but it is funny how since Clinton is out of the scene his name comes out and its not a big deal but what about current guys like Trump or Gates or others?  Trump for sure has involvement but as I stated above we will never know who all was hip deep including large unknown politicians and business leaders.

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     peace_5  an_clap

    a brief review of thelittle that the public does know  ::

    chump did have ties to epstein

    he married 3 women    two of them immigrants

    boinked 2 porn stars

    paid off one of them to keep her mouth shut ( hes up on criminal charges related to that )

    bragged on a video news clip of grabbing womens' p***y  and chasing after a married woman while he was also married

    was convicted by a jury of sexual assault on  e jean carroll  who he denied knowing

     

    nah an_violin  the whole inuendo involving chump is obviously  way too thin .  prolly just another democrat witch hunt trying to smear a totally innocent victim not unlike the 91 criminal charges he faces 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I find it actually silly when partisan kids try to act like Trump was not involved when there is video of him with the guy, Trump has a history of being sexually aggressive and proud of it all his life, he has cheated on pretty much any woman he has ever been involved with and is not shy about bragging to admit it. Are we so stupid that it is not obvious that he had some involvement if not a large involvement? Trump is very similar to Clinton with regards to sexual aggressiveness but it is funny how since Clinton is out of the scene his name comes out and its not a big deal but what about current guys like Trump or Gates or others?  Trump for sure has involvement but as I stated above we will never know who all was hip deep including large unknown politicians and business leaders.

    @wallstreetcappers

     peace_5  an_clap

    a brief review of thelittle that the public does know  ::

    chump did have ties to epstein

    he married 3 women    two of them immigrants

    boinked 2 porn stars

    paid off one of them to keep her mouth shut ( hes up on criminal charges related to that )

    bragged on a video news clip of grabbing womens' p***y  and chasing after a married woman while he was also married

    was convicted by a jury of sexual assault on  e jean carroll  who he denied knowing

     

    nah an_violin  the whole inuendo involving chump is obviously  way too thin .  prolly just another democrat witch hunt trying to smear a totally innocent victim not unlike the 91 criminal charges he faces 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I find it actually silly when partisan kids try to act like Trump was not involved when there is video of him with the guy, Trump has a history of being sexually aggressive and proud of it all his life, he has cheated on pretty much any woman he has ever been involved with and is not shy about bragging to admit it. Are we so stupid that it is not obvious that he had some involvement if not a large involvement? Trump is very similar to Clinton with regards to sexual aggressiveness but it is funny how since Clinton is out of the scene his name comes out and its not a big deal but what about current guys like Trump or Gates or others?  Trump for sure has involvement but as I stated above we will never know who all was hip deep including large unknown politicians and business leaders.

     

    I'm gonna go ahead and go out on the limb here that I am Covers foremost expert on the Epstein history and story.  The guy was literally an intelligence asset for our CIA and for the Israeli Mossad.  Epstein mysteriously amassed a vast amount of wealth in a short time period through his financial ties that began with the founder of Les Wexner.  He became a power player amongst the American elite based out of NYC in the 80s....who else was a power player in NYC in the 80s ??  Everyone's favorite famous Orange Man of course.  So linking Trump to Epstein is about as easy of a link to make out there as there are videos and photos of them in the same room all over the interwebs.  As already stated, Epstein was banned from Trump's Mar a Lago Palm Beach Club (neighboring Epstein's former Palm Beach property) by Trump shortly before Epstein's first go around with the authorities around 2007, allegedly for inappropriate interactions with the daughter of one of Trump's members.  The prosecutor who covered up Epstein's first legal troubles in Palm Beach was none other than Trump's future Labor Secretary, Alexander Acosta, but I digress....moving to my point here....

    Trump knew Epstein.  Does that mean Trump was "involved" in Epstein's pedo island honey pot scheme ??  No, of course not.  

    Let's put our reality thinking caps on here for a quick second....the FBI raided Epstein's Manhattan residence in 2019, confiscating evidence from his safe that included hard drives, video tapes and compact discs.  We can only imagine the treasure chest of evidence against hollywood elites, politicians and other global power players that they found.   Prior to this raid, how much was gathered by the intelligence community as blackmail against these people ??  

    Knowing that evidence exists (or formerly existed) of these people, IF Trump was one of the "involved" pedo perpetrators, does anyone really NOT think that this would have been used AGAINST Trump at ANY point prior to what is going on in today's world ??  Seriously.....the powers at be are throwing EVERYTHING they got at the big bad Orange Man in their never ending quest to defeat him at all costs.   Go back to 2016....you think Killary wouldn't have used her contacts to expose Trump to guarantee her POTUS?? WHY would they not use this type of evidence against him??  Simple, because it doesn't exists.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I find it actually silly when partisan kids try to act like Trump was not involved when there is video of him with the guy, Trump has a history of being sexually aggressive and proud of it all his life, he has cheated on pretty much any woman he has ever been involved with and is not shy about bragging to admit it. Are we so stupid that it is not obvious that he had some involvement if not a large involvement? Trump is very similar to Clinton with regards to sexual aggressiveness but it is funny how since Clinton is out of the scene his name comes out and its not a big deal but what about current guys like Trump or Gates or others?  Trump for sure has involvement but as I stated above we will never know who all was hip deep including large unknown politicians and business leaders.

     

    I'm gonna go ahead and go out on the limb here that I am Covers foremost expert on the Epstein history and story.  The guy was literally an intelligence asset for our CIA and for the Israeli Mossad.  Epstein mysteriously amassed a vast amount of wealth in a short time period through his financial ties that began with the founder of Les Wexner.  He became a power player amongst the American elite based out of NYC in the 80s....who else was a power player in NYC in the 80s ??  Everyone's favorite famous Orange Man of course.  So linking Trump to Epstein is about as easy of a link to make out there as there are videos and photos of them in the same room all over the interwebs.  As already stated, Epstein was banned from Trump's Mar a Lago Palm Beach Club (neighboring Epstein's former Palm Beach property) by Trump shortly before Epstein's first go around with the authorities around 2007, allegedly for inappropriate interactions with the daughter of one of Trump's members.  The prosecutor who covered up Epstein's first legal troubles in Palm Beach was none other than Trump's future Labor Secretary, Alexander Acosta, but I digress....moving to my point here....

    Trump knew Epstein.  Does that mean Trump was "involved" in Epstein's pedo island honey pot scheme ??  No, of course not.  

    Let's put our reality thinking caps on here for a quick second....the FBI raided Epstein's Manhattan residence in 2019, confiscating evidence from his safe that included hard drives, video tapes and compact discs.  We can only imagine the treasure chest of evidence against hollywood elites, politicians and other global power players that they found.   Prior to this raid, how much was gathered by the intelligence community as blackmail against these people ??  

    Knowing that evidence exists (or formerly existed) of these people, IF Trump was one of the "involved" pedo perpetrators, does anyone really NOT think that this would have been used AGAINST Trump at ANY point prior to what is going on in today's world ??  Seriously.....the powers at be are throwing EVERYTHING they got at the big bad Orange Man in their never ending quest to defeat him at all costs.   Go back to 2016....you think Killary wouldn't have used her contacts to expose Trump to guarantee her POTUS?? WHY would they not use this type of evidence against him??  Simple, because it doesn't exists.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I find it actually silly when partisan kids try to act like Trump was not involved when there is video of him with the guy, Trump has a history of being sexually aggressive and proud of it all his life, he has cheated on pretty much any woman he has ever been involved with and is not shy about bragging to admit it. Are we so stupid that it is not obvious that he had some involvement if not a large involvement? Trump is very similar to Clinton with regards to sexual aggressiveness but it is funny how since Clinton is out of the scene his name comes out and its not a big deal but what about current guys like Trump or Gates or others?  Trump for sure has involvement but as I stated above we will never know who all was hip deep including large unknown politicians and business leaders.

    It is sad and fascinating how Trump supporters try to distance this guy from Epstein with evidence in front of their face to the contrary. Do not forget as President he wished Ghisaline Maxwell the best when she was charged with crimes for human trafficking. Who the hell would wish someone being charged with such heinous crimes the best? Clear sign that there is some extensive dirt on him. Not to mention his hiring of Dershowtiz (Epstein's long time friend and defense attorney) to serve as his primary impeachment attorney. You would think if you had nothing to do with any of this nasty $hit you would not be associating with such scum. I'm sure Dershowitz has too much information on his involvement and best to keep your enemies close. No one in their right mind would willingly be associated with this guy once the Epstein $hit came out, especially for someone who claims to be a crime fighter against child trafficking. His hiring of Dershowitz actually shows the opposite. an_light

    Clinton is dirty as hell and his association runs deep, but there is no doubt in mind that Trump's association runs just as deep. Yet, like you said the public will never get the real information and neither of these guys will ever be charged or convicted of anything. If Dershowitz has not been charged and thrown in federal prison yet, I seriously doubt anyone will be. peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I find it actually silly when partisan kids try to act like Trump was not involved when there is video of him with the guy, Trump has a history of being sexually aggressive and proud of it all his life, he has cheated on pretty much any woman he has ever been involved with and is not shy about bragging to admit it. Are we so stupid that it is not obvious that he had some involvement if not a large involvement? Trump is very similar to Clinton with regards to sexual aggressiveness but it is funny how since Clinton is out of the scene his name comes out and its not a big deal but what about current guys like Trump or Gates or others?  Trump for sure has involvement but as I stated above we will never know who all was hip deep including large unknown politicians and business leaders.

    It is sad and fascinating how Trump supporters try to distance this guy from Epstein with evidence in front of their face to the contrary. Do not forget as President he wished Ghisaline Maxwell the best when she was charged with crimes for human trafficking. Who the hell would wish someone being charged with such heinous crimes the best? Clear sign that there is some extensive dirt on him. Not to mention his hiring of Dershowtiz (Epstein's long time friend and defense attorney) to serve as his primary impeachment attorney. You would think if you had nothing to do with any of this nasty $hit you would not be associating with such scum. I'm sure Dershowitz has too much information on his involvement and best to keep your enemies close. No one in their right mind would willingly be associated with this guy once the Epstein $hit came out, especially for someone who claims to be a crime fighter against child trafficking. His hiring of Dershowitz actually shows the opposite. an_light

    Clinton is dirty as hell and his association runs deep, but there is no doubt in mind that Trump's association runs just as deep. Yet, like you said the public will never get the real information and neither of these guys will ever be charged or convicted of anything. If Dershowitz has not been charged and thrown in federal prison yet, I seriously doubt anyone will be. peace

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Knowing that evidence exists (or formerly existed) of these people, IF Trump was one of the "involved" pedo perpetrators, does anyone really NOT think that this would have been used AGAINST Trump at ANY point prior to what is going on in today's world ??  Seriously.....the powers at be are throwing EVERYTHING they got at the big bad Orange Man in their never ending quest to defeat him at all costs.   Go back to 2016....you think Killary wouldn't have used her contacts to expose Trump to guarantee her POTUS?? WHY would they not use this type of evidence against him??  Simple, because it doesn't exists.

    Nope. It runs too deep. Media, big business, and government are too connected to Epstein. They had to let this one slide. Think about how many big tv executives, celebrities, politicians, and government actors from BOTH political parties were involved with Epstein. You think Killary would have tried to expose Trump for Epstein ties? With Bill's involvement? Get real. Exposing Trump means exposing Bill and Democrats. Both Republicans and Democrats are too deeply connected to this guy for anything to fall on Clinton or Trump. You know this KC. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Knowing that evidence exists (or formerly existed) of these people, IF Trump was one of the "involved" pedo perpetrators, does anyone really NOT think that this would have been used AGAINST Trump at ANY point prior to what is going on in today's world ??  Seriously.....the powers at be are throwing EVERYTHING they got at the big bad Orange Man in their never ending quest to defeat him at all costs.   Go back to 2016....you think Killary wouldn't have used her contacts to expose Trump to guarantee her POTUS?? WHY would they not use this type of evidence against him??  Simple, because it doesn't exists.

    Nope. It runs too deep. Media, big business, and government are too connected to Epstein. They had to let this one slide. Think about how many big tv executives, celebrities, politicians, and government actors from BOTH political parties were involved with Epstein. You think Killary would have tried to expose Trump for Epstein ties? With Bill's involvement? Get real. Exposing Trump means exposing Bill and Democrats. Both Republicans and Democrats are too deeply connected to this guy for anything to fall on Clinton or Trump. You know this KC. peace_5

     
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     Nope. It runs too deep. Media, big business, and government are too connected to Epstein. They had to let this one slide. Think about how many big tv executives, celebrities, politicians, and government actors from BOTH political parties were involved with Epstein. You think Killary would have tried to expose Trump for Epstein ties? With Bill's involvement? Get real. Exposing Trump means exposing Bill and Democrats. Both Republicans and Democrats are too deeply connected to this guy for anything to fall on Clinton or Trump. You know this KC.

     

    Yes, I can't disagree with you on this reality Deezy my neezy peace_5    

    It is the visit, or lack thereof, to the Epstein island that I've seen no evidence of and nothing to link Trump to.  There are plenty of other names confirmed to have visited the island.  Did Jefferey provide "services" to Trump at some other point in the past ??  I would have to believe so yes.... 

    Time is a flat circle....
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     Nope. It runs too deep. Media, big business, and government are too connected to Epstein. They had to let this one slide. Think about how many big tv executives, celebrities, politicians, and government actors from BOTH political parties were involved with Epstein. You think Killary would have tried to expose Trump for Epstein ties? With Bill's involvement? Get real. Exposing Trump means exposing Bill and Democrats. Both Republicans and Democrats are too deeply connected to this guy for anything to fall on Clinton or Trump. You know this KC.

     

    Yes, I can't disagree with you on this reality Deezy my neezy peace_5    

    It is the visit, or lack thereof, to the Epstein island that I've seen no evidence of and nothing to link Trump to.  There are plenty of other names confirmed to have visited the island.  Did Jefferey provide "services" to Trump at some other point in the past ??  I would have to believe so yes.... 

     
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     Dershowitz also was an advisor to Clinton's legal team in the 90s when he was impeached.  

     Dershowitz backed Killary twice for President, voting for her once (after Obama) and voted for Biden in 2020.  

     Dershowitz taught at Harvard as a law professor up until 2013. 

     Epstein donated nearly $9 million to Harvard over a 10 year period up until 2008, the time of his first conviction in FL.  He even had his own office on campus.... 

     "It's a big club, and you ain't in it" -George Carlin 

    Time is a flat circle....
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     Dershowitz also was an advisor to Clinton's legal team in the 90s when he was impeached.  

     Dershowitz backed Killary twice for President, voting for her once (after Obama) and voted for Biden in 2020.  

     Dershowitz taught at Harvard as a law professor up until 2013. 

     Epstein donated nearly $9 million to Harvard over a 10 year period up until 2008, the time of his first conviction in FL.  He even had his own office on campus.... 

     "It's a big club, and you ain't in it" -George Carlin 

     
     
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     The problem is that your theory about Hills is that she knows the wheels of justice take way way way longer than a few days a few weeks a few months even a few years and maybe she DID have the goods but it wasnt worth the risk of dumping it out there, I think she was overconfident and probably did not feel the need to use that even if she had it. I do not like Hills I am just saying she did not expect the outcome and was not leading her campaign in anticipation of losing it, I think she was massively overconfident. The other issue is if she had the goods and threw it out there it would expose her hubby and potentially look very defensive and maybe even would weaken her position at that point.

    As I stated first we will never know everything because it wont be released there are probably some big big big names that would be wrecked if the full scoop were made public, thus it will never happen.

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     The problem is that your theory about Hills is that she knows the wheels of justice take way way way longer than a few days a few weeks a few months even a few years and maybe she DID have the goods but it wasnt worth the risk of dumping it out there, I think she was overconfident and probably did not feel the need to use that even if she had it. I do not like Hills I am just saying she did not expect the outcome and was not leading her campaign in anticipation of losing it, I think she was massively overconfident. The other issue is if she had the goods and threw it out there it would expose her hubby and potentially look very defensive and maybe even would weaken her position at that point.

    As I stated first we will never know everything because it wont be released there are probably some big big big names that would be wrecked if the full scoop were made public, thus it will never happen.

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