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    StumpTownStu
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 6:19 PM ET #51

    He's just as bad as Don Lemon. They're just two sides of the same media coin, which isn't even a real coin. Just a slug. And the American people are the vending machines that can't tell the difference. CNN and Fox news are equally horrible.
    R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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    He's just as bad as Don Lemon. They're just two sides of the same media coin, which isn't even a real coin. Just a slug. And the American people are the vending machines that can't tell the difference. CNN and Fox news are equally horrible.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 8:39 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Tucker is a great man 


    I see you can't get that high school cheer leading out of your system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Tucker is a great man 


    I see you can't get that high school cheer leading out of your system.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 10:31 PM ET #53

    U.S. President Donald Trump signed a memorandum today (on Friday ) ordering the end of a policy, known as "catch and release," in which illegal immigrants are released from detention while awaiting a court hearing on their status.

    As part of the memo, Trump asked Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to produce a list of military facilities that could be used to detain illegal immigrants.

    MAGA................

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    U.S. President Donald Trump signed a memorandum today (on Friday ) ordering the end of a policy, known as "catch and release," in which illegal immigrants are released from detention while awaiting a court hearing on their status.

    As part of the memo, Trump asked Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to produce a list of military facilities that could be used to detain illegal immigrants.

    MAGA................

     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2018 - 1:52 AM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    U.S. President Donald Trump signed a memorandum today (on Friday ) ordering the end of a policy, known as "catch and release," in which illegal immigrants are released from detention while awaiting a court hearing on their status.

    As part of the memo, Trump asked Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to produce a list of military facilities that could be used to detain illegal immigrants.

    MAGA................


    Good. As i've said before, Sabanesque and I disagree on a lot. And I call him out on a lot. What probably gets lost in all of it is that we both are for strong borders and for the wall. I don't believe in sanctuary cities and I couldn't care less about Daca. The notion of sanctuary cities and "catch and release" is completely ridiculous. If you fly under the radar and don't get caught it's one thing but if you do get caught, hey, it's still a crime. If I rob a bank and get caught, can I just say, "But i'm a dreamer! I was dreaming of the banks money."? Heck no. Their locking my black assss up.
    R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    U.S. President Donald Trump signed a memorandum today (on Friday ) ordering the end of a policy, known as "catch and release," in which illegal immigrants are released from detention while awaiting a court hearing on their status.

    As part of the memo, Trump asked Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to produce a list of military facilities that could be used to detain illegal immigrants.

    MAGA................


    Good. As i've said before, Sabanesque and I disagree on a lot. And I call him out on a lot. What probably gets lost in all of it is that we both are for strong borders and for the wall. I don't believe in sanctuary cities and I couldn't care less about Daca. The notion of sanctuary cities and "catch and release" is completely ridiculous. If you fly under the radar and don't get caught it's one thing but if you do get caught, hey, it's still a crime. If I rob a bank and get caught, can I just say, "But i'm a dreamer! I was dreaming of the banks money."? Heck no. Their locking my black assss up.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2018 - 3:46 PM ET #55

    Saw Supertramp in '76 or '77 good show.

    Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer
    Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
    I said dreamer, you're nothing but a dreamer
    Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
    I said "far out, what a day, a year, a life it is!"
    You know, well you know, you had it comin' to you
    Now, there's not a lot I can do

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    Saw Supertramp in '76 or '77 good show.

    Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer
    Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
    I said dreamer, you're nothing but a dreamer
    Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
    I said "far out, what a day, a year, a life it is!"
    You know, well you know, you had it comin' to you
    Now, there's not a lot I can do

     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2018 - 4:25 PM ET #56

    The Texas National Guard said it would send 250 troops to the border within 72 hours and had already deployed two Lakota helicopters, while Arizona's governor said he would send 150 personnel next week.

    "The Texas national guard is preparing to immediately deploy with supporting aircraft, vehicles and equipment to the Texas-Mexico border,"

    President Trump said he want's from 2,000 to 4,000 troops on the Mexican border...

    Arizona Governor Doug Ducey announced on Twitter Friday that he is working with the Arizona National Guard, the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security on plans to deploy about 150 National Guard troops to the border next week. Along with air support, reconnaissance, operations, construction and logistics..
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    The Texas National Guard said it would send 250 troops to the border within 72 hours and had already deployed two Lakota helicopters, while Arizona's governor said he would send 150 personnel next week.

    "The Texas national guard is preparing to immediately deploy with supporting aircraft, vehicles and equipment to the Texas-Mexico border,"

    President Trump said he want's from 2,000 to 4,000 troops on the Mexican border...

    Arizona Governor Doug Ducey announced on Twitter Friday that he is working with the Arizona National Guard, the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security on plans to deploy about 150 National Guard troops to the border next week. Along with air support, reconnaissance, operations, construction and logistics..
     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2018 - 7:37 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by QMICH:


    THAT IS JUST FUKIN AWESOME!  SO MEXICO TOLD HABITUAL LIAR TRUMP TO BUILD HIS OWN FUKIN WALL SOON COSTING U.S. BILLION$ AND NOW WE WILL SPEND ADDITIONAL HUNDREDS OF MILLION$ TO NET A FEW ILLEGALS AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER.

    HARD TO IMAGINE OUR FAKE PRESIDENT ONLY FILING FOR BANKRUPTCY 6 TIMES!

    ONLY WINNING FOR MORONS!


    A FEW ILLEGALS AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER..

    That's what the Europeans 1st said when the caravans of Muslims started pouring into their southern borders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QMICH:


    THAT IS JUST FUKIN AWESOME!  SO MEXICO TOLD HABITUAL LIAR TRUMP TO BUILD HIS OWN FUKIN WALL SOON COSTING U.S. BILLION$ AND NOW WE WILL SPEND ADDITIONAL HUNDREDS OF MILLION$ TO NET A FEW ILLEGALS AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER.

    HARD TO IMAGINE OUR FAKE PRESIDENT ONLY FILING FOR BANKRUPTCY 6 TIMES!

    ONLY WINNING FOR MORONS!


    A FEW ILLEGALS AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER..

    That's what the Europeans 1st said when the caravans of Muslims started pouring into their southern borders.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2018 - 8:05 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    A FEW ILLEGALS AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER..

    That's what the Europeans 1st said when the caravans of Muslims started pouring into their southern borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    A FEW ILLEGALS AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER..

    That's what the Europeans 1st said when the caravans of Muslims started pouring into their southern borders.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2018 - 10:19 PM ET #59

    Its going to take millions of man hours to guard the wall every single year and that wont even remotely cover the span of the wall that exists. Those man hours equal billions of dollars a year and still wont stop illegals from getting in. What it will do is force more creativity to get here and that for sure will happen. 

    The span of distance we are discussing make this impossible to contain and the price we are talking makes it a horrible economic decision and a very ineffective one.

    Another lousy idea from Trump and his little ego will fuel him to keep at this. I am more concerned with the drug issue than I am about illegals coming in.

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    Its going to take millions of man hours to guard the wall every single year and that wont even remotely cover the span of the wall that exists. Those man hours equal billions of dollars a year and still wont stop illegals from getting in. What it will do is force more creativity to get here and that for sure will happen. 

    The span of distance we are discussing make this impossible to contain and the price we are talking makes it a horrible economic decision and a very ineffective one.

    Another lousy idea from Trump and his little ego will fuel him to keep at this. I am more concerned with the drug issue than I am about illegals coming in.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2018 - 11:07 PM ET #60

    Former presidents, Barack Obama, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Woodrow Wilson and William Howard Taft, all issued orders similar to those Trump made in his proclamation on Wednesday.
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    Former presidents, Barack Obama, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Woodrow Wilson and William Howard Taft, all issued orders similar to those Trump made in his proclamation on Wednesday.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2018 - 12:37 AM ET #61

    https://youtu.be/CVvPPQ3SvAQ


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    https://youtu.be/CVvPPQ3SvAQ


     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 1:20 PM ET #62

    Another State joins Arizona and Texas....Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker committed to sending troops from the state's National Guard to the Mexican border if asked by President Donald Trump's administration. 

     The governor said he would like to see National Guard troops combine training on the border with a mission to patrol the frontier and deter crossings and crime.

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    Another State joins Arizona and Texas....Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker committed to sending troops from the state's National Guard to the Mexican border if asked by President Donald Trump's administration. 

     The governor said he would like to see National Guard troops combine training on the border with a mission to patrol the frontier and deter crossings and crime.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:14 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Its going to take millions of man hours to guard the wall every single year and that wont even remotely cover the span of the wall that exists. Those man hours equal billions of dollars a year and still wont stop illegals from getting in. What it will do is force more creativity to get here and that for sure will happen. 

    The span of distance we are discussing make this impossible to contain and the price we are talking makes it a horrible economic decision and a very ineffective one.

    Another lousy idea from Trump and his little ego will fuel him to keep at this. I am more concerned with the drug issue than I am about illegals coming in.


    With thinking like this why bother to have a military, police, sheriff or highway patrol.  They certainly don't stop crime and cost billions and billions every year.  Let's just give everyone true freedom and take care of themselves. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Its going to take millions of man hours to guard the wall every single year and that wont even remotely cover the span of the wall that exists. Those man hours equal billions of dollars a year and still wont stop illegals from getting in. What it will do is force more creativity to get here and that for sure will happen. 

    The span of distance we are discussing make this impossible to contain and the price we are talking makes it a horrible economic decision and a very ineffective one.

    Another lousy idea from Trump and his little ego will fuel him to keep at this. I am more concerned with the drug issue than I am about illegals coming in.


    With thinking like this why bother to have a military, police, sheriff or highway patrol.  They certainly don't stop crime and cost billions and billions every year.  Let's just give everyone true freedom and take care of themselves. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:55 PM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    Posted: 40 minutes ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Its going to take millions of man hours to guard the wall every single year and that wont even remotely cover the span of the wall that exists. Those man hours equal billions of dollars a year and still wont stop illegals from getting in. What it will do is force more creativity to get here and that for sure will happen.  The span of distance we are discussing make this impossible to contain and the price we are talking makes it a horrible economic decision and a very ineffective one. Another lousy idea from Trump and his little ego will fuel him to keep at this. I am more concerned with the drug issue than I am about illegals coming in. With thinking like this why bother to have a military, police, sheriff or highway patrol.  They certainly don't stop crime and cost billions and billions every year.  Let's just give everyone true freedom and take care of themselves.

     

    The issue is agenda and how the reality/truth is not being told about the enormous ongoing cost this will turn into and the lousy return it will bring. 

     

    Next up is assembling the national guard to start forcefully deporting the millions of illegals living here.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    Posted: 40 minutes ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Its going to take millions of man hours to guard the wall every single year and that wont even remotely cover the span of the wall that exists. Those man hours equal billions of dollars a year and still wont stop illegals from getting in. What it will do is force more creativity to get here and that for sure will happen.  The span of distance we are discussing make this impossible to contain and the price we are talking makes it a horrible economic decision and a very ineffective one. Another lousy idea from Trump and his little ego will fuel him to keep at this. I am more concerned with the drug issue than I am about illegals coming in. With thinking like this why bother to have a military, police, sheriff or highway patrol.  They certainly don't stop crime and cost billions and billions every year.  Let's just give everyone true freedom and take care of themselves.

     

    The issue is agenda and how the reality/truth is not being told about the enormous ongoing cost this will turn into and the lousy return it will bring. 

     

    Next up is assembling the national guard to start forcefully deporting the millions of illegals living here.

     

    an_light

     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 7:22 PM ET #65

    Texas and Arizona increased the number of National Guard troops they’re sending to the U.S.-Mexico border..

    On Monday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott increased the number of National Guard troops Texas will send to the border as part of President Trump’s recent call to send military officials to defend the southern border against migrants and drug trafficking from 250 to at least 1,000.

    On the same day, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) said that the Arizona National Guard would send 338 troops to the southern border...up from 150 troops..

    This is a start, but we need more troops on the border..What do you say Gov.Brown  ?



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    Texas and Arizona increased the number of National Guard troops they’re sending to the U.S.-Mexico border..

    On Monday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott increased the number of National Guard troops Texas will send to the border as part of President Trump’s recent call to send military officials to defend the southern border against migrants and drug trafficking from 250 to at least 1,000.

    On the same day, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) said that the Arizona National Guard would send 338 troops to the southern border...up from 150 troops..

    This is a start, but we need more troops on the border..What do you say Gov.Brown  ?



     
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    Ducey is a clown, he must be a relative of Arpaio.

    Its nice that these national guard members are free labor and that the taxpayer isnt footing this bill and that everyone knows of the costs associated.

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    Ducey is a clown, he must be a relative of Arpaio.

    Its nice that these national guard members are free labor and that the taxpayer isnt footing this bill and that everyone knows of the costs associated.

    paint_help

     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 8:59 PM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     

    The issue is agenda and how the reality/truth is not being told about the enormous ongoing cost this will turn into and the lousy return it will bring. 

     

    Next up is assembling the national guard to start forcefully deporting the millions of illegals living here.

     

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    Reality is getting a handle on the illegal immigration problem.  Yes, the problem.  Neither Repubs or Dems seem to want to fix this, much like healthcare.  We are way past when we should have been securing our borders.  Now it's a mess and we need to clean it up.  All logical people believe immigrants coming here should do it legally.  What I would expect if i immigrated to another country.  Why do some people have such a hard time grasping such a simple concept?

    Becoming a citizen, green card or visa.  Not a difficult concept to grasp.  Do it the "legal" way or we shall have to "lawfully" remove you.  Pretty simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     

    The issue is agenda and how the reality/truth is not being told about the enormous ongoing cost this will turn into and the lousy return it will bring. 

     

    Next up is assembling the national guard to start forcefully deporting the millions of illegals living here.

     

    an_light

     

    Reality is getting a handle on the illegal immigration problem.  Yes, the problem.  Neither Repubs or Dems seem to want to fix this, much like healthcare.  We are way past when we should have been securing our borders.  Now it's a mess and we need to clean it up.  All logical people believe immigrants coming here should do it legally.  What I would expect if i immigrated to another country.  Why do some people have such a hard time grasping such a simple concept?

    Becoming a citizen, green card or visa.  Not a difficult concept to grasp.  Do it the "legal" way or we shall have to "lawfully" remove you.  Pretty simple.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 9:03 PM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Ducey is a clown, he must be a relative of Arpaio.

    Its nice that these national guard members are free labor and that the taxpayer isnt footing this bill and that everyone knows of the costs associated.

    paint_help


    Seriously, were you this concerned about spending money when the Obama administration was printing money?  Now we have a fake bloated stock market  (the rich got richer) and cheap money for banks to borrow.  (the rich got richer)  Good grief!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Ducey is a clown, he must be a relative of Arpaio.

    Its nice that these national guard members are free labor and that the taxpayer isnt footing this bill and that everyone knows of the costs associated.

    paint_help


    Seriously, were you this concerned about spending money when the Obama administration was printing money?  Now we have a fake bloated stock market  (the rich got richer) and cheap money for banks to borrow.  (the rich got richer)  Good grief!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 9:28 PM ET #69

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    Posted: 21 minutes ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Ducey is a clown, he must be a relative of Arpaio. Its nice that these national guard members are free labor and that the taxpayer isnt footing this bill and that everyone knows of the costs associated. Seriously, were you this concerned about spending money when the Obama administration was printing money?  Now we have a fake bloated stock market  (the rich got richer) and cheap money for banks to borrow.  (the rich got richer)  Good grief!

     

    Ive already stated my view on this subject..I am all for a balanced budget but to do that we would need to kick out special interests, remove lobbyists and erase the awful decision allowing private money to pollute politics. Anything short of this will not accomplish any fiscal improvements. I think politicians owe their loan sharks and so they pay their loan sharks and so we are left with which loan sharks get paid. I side with social programs and domestic infrastructure vs military and elite tax breaks for the wealthy and corps. 

    If we are spending the money (which we are) give it to the lowest and most needy, not those who already have privilege and power...give to improve the bones of this country (highways, bridges, national parks, electric grid, etc) and to those under the median income level...with firmer stipulation of how these funds are used (meaning firmer standards on the freebies).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    Posted: 21 minutes ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Ducey is a clown, he must be a relative of Arpaio. Its nice that these national guard members are free labor and that the taxpayer isnt footing this bill and that everyone knows of the costs associated. Seriously, were you this concerned about spending money when the Obama administration was printing money?  Now we have a fake bloated stock market  (the rich got richer) and cheap money for banks to borrow.  (the rich got richer)  Good grief!

     

    Ive already stated my view on this subject..I am all for a balanced budget but to do that we would need to kick out special interests, remove lobbyists and erase the awful decision allowing private money to pollute politics. Anything short of this will not accomplish any fiscal improvements. I think politicians owe their loan sharks and so they pay their loan sharks and so we are left with which loan sharks get paid. I side with social programs and domestic infrastructure vs military and elite tax breaks for the wealthy and corps. 

    If we are spending the money (which we are) give it to the lowest and most needy, not those who already have privilege and power...give to improve the bones of this country (highways, bridges, national parks, electric grid, etc) and to those under the median income level...with firmer stipulation of how these funds are used (meaning firmer standards on the freebies).

     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 9:47 PM ET #70

    4,000 National Guard personnel headed to the U.S.-Mexico border will be paid for by the federal government..Defense Secretary Jim Mattis approved the use of Defense Department funds to pay for the troops to perform the border security operations...........
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    Mad Dog can take it from the recent $700 Billion Senate approved defense budget....



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    4,000 National Guard personnel headed to the U.S.-Mexico border will be paid for by the federal government..Defense Secretary Jim Mattis approved the use of Defense Department funds to pay for the troops to perform the border security operations...........
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    Mad Dog can take it from the recent $700 Billion Senate approved defense budget....



     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 9:52 PM ET #71

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     

    Ive already stated my view on this subject..I am all for a balanced budget but to do that we would need to kick out special interests, remove lobbyists and erase the awful decision allowing private money to pollute politics. Anything short of this will not accomplish any fiscal improvements. I think politicians owe their loan sharks and so they pay their loan sharks and so we are left with which loan sharks get paid. I side with social programs and domestic infrastructure vs military and elite tax breaks for the wealthy and corps. 

    If we are spending the money (which we are) give it to the lowest and most needy, not those who already have privilege and power...give to improve the bones of this country (highways, bridges, national parks, electric grid, etc) and to those under the median income level...with firmer stipulation of how these funds are used (meaning firmer standards on the freebies).


    What you are asking for didn't happen under the Obama administration and if you believe it did please explain.  The rich got richer.  The numbers don't lie.  I can back this up with facts if you disagree.  I've done it before for covers members and am willing to do it again.

    Politics and wealth are always going to go hand in hand.  We have had sleaziness in the White House for decades.  This President is no different.  Hillary would have been no different.  (The fact that the DNC wasn't even on the up and up should tell you all you need to know.  Their corruption started early.)Obama was no different, Bush, Clinton et. al..


    I know you don't think the Republican party can accomplish what you want so tell me, in the 8 years that Obama was in office what part of that did he accomplish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     

    Ive already stated my view on this subject..I am all for a balanced budget but to do that we would need to kick out special interests, remove lobbyists and erase the awful decision allowing private money to pollute politics. Anything short of this will not accomplish any fiscal improvements. I think politicians owe their loan sharks and so they pay their loan sharks and so we are left with which loan sharks get paid. I side with social programs and domestic infrastructure vs military and elite tax breaks for the wealthy and corps. 

    If we are spending the money (which we are) give it to the lowest and most needy, not those who already have privilege and power...give to improve the bones of this country (highways, bridges, national parks, electric grid, etc) and to those under the median income level...with firmer stipulation of how these funds are used (meaning firmer standards on the freebies).


    What you are asking for didn't happen under the Obama administration and if you believe it did please explain.  The rich got richer.  The numbers don't lie.  I can back this up with facts if you disagree.  I've done it before for covers members and am willing to do it again.

    Politics and wealth are always going to go hand in hand.  We have had sleaziness in the White House for decades.  This President is no different.  Hillary would have been no different.  (The fact that the DNC wasn't even on the up and up should tell you all you need to know.  Their corruption started early.)Obama was no different, Bush, Clinton et. al..


    I know you don't think the Republican party can accomplish what you want so tell me, in the 8 years that Obama was in office what part of that did he accomplish?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    Posted: 7 minutes ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:   Ive already stated my view on this subject..I am all for a balanced budget but to do that we would need to kick out special interests, remove lobbyists and erase the awful decision allowing private money to pollute politics. Anything short of this will not accomplish any fiscal improvements. I think politicians owe their loan sharks and so they pay their loan sharks and so we are left with which loan sharks get paid. I side with social programs and domestic infrastructure vs military and elite tax breaks for the wealthy and corps. If we are spending the money (which we are) give it to the lowest and most needy, not those who already have privilege and power...give to improve the bones of this country (highways, bridges, national parks, electric grid, etc) and to those under the median income level...with firmer stipulation of how these funds are used (meaning firmer standards on the freebies). What you are asking for didn't happen under the Obama administration and if you believe it did please explain.  The rich got richer.  The numbers don't lie.  I can back this up with facts if you disagree.  I've done it before for covers members and am willing to do it again.Politics and wealth are always going to go hand in hand.  We have had sleaziness in the White House for decades.  This President is no different.  Hillary would have been no different.  (The fact that the DNC wasn't even on the up and up should tell you all you need to know.  Their corruption started early.)Obama was no different, Bush, Clinton et. al..I know you don't think the Republican party can accomplish what you want so tell me, in the 8 years that Obama was in office what part of that did he accomplish?

     

    I dont recall doing the repub vs dem dance, I rarely do this but there are differences between the two as I stated above. If I have to choose the way the money is spent I will choose to go the social route and for sure repubs are not focused on their loan shark payments to go to that segment of the population vs dems. 

    If you want to do Obama vs Trump feel free, I am not interested in comparing politicians, so feel free to do that with others I find no value in doing that as a form of debate in general. 

     

    I do think that reformed social programs are the way to spend the monies vs giving tax freebies funded from deficits to corps and the elite. I saw a piece the other day saying we are on track to crack 1T in yearly deficits because of this farce Trump passed...and that should happen in less than two years and it will get WORSE. These cuts are back loaded and the pain will come harshly as time goes on unless these are undone and severely reversed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    Posted: 7 minutes ago "Quote" Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:   Ive already stated my view on this subject..I am all for a balanced budget but to do that we would need to kick out special interests, remove lobbyists and erase the awful decision allowing private money to pollute politics. Anything short of this will not accomplish any fiscal improvements. I think politicians owe their loan sharks and so they pay their loan sharks and so we are left with which loan sharks get paid. I side with social programs and domestic infrastructure vs military and elite tax breaks for the wealthy and corps. If we are spending the money (which we are) give it to the lowest and most needy, not those who already have privilege and power...give to improve the bones of this country (highways, bridges, national parks, electric grid, etc) and to those under the median income level...with firmer stipulation of how these funds are used (meaning firmer standards on the freebies). What you are asking for didn't happen under the Obama administration and if you believe it did please explain.  The rich got richer.  The numbers don't lie.  I can back this up with facts if you disagree.  I've done it before for covers members and am willing to do it again.Politics and wealth are always going to go hand in hand.  We have had sleaziness in the White House for decades.  This President is no different.  Hillary would have been no different.  (The fact that the DNC wasn't even on the up and up should tell you all you need to know.  Their corruption started early.)Obama was no different, Bush, Clinton et. al..I know you don't think the Republican party can accomplish what you want so tell me, in the 8 years that Obama was in office what part of that did he accomplish?

     

    I dont recall doing the repub vs dem dance, I rarely do this but there are differences between the two as I stated above. If I have to choose the way the money is spent I will choose to go the social route and for sure repubs are not focused on their loan shark payments to go to that segment of the population vs dems. 

    If you want to do Obama vs Trump feel free, I am not interested in comparing politicians, so feel free to do that with others I find no value in doing that as a form of debate in general. 

     

    I do think that reformed social programs are the way to spend the monies vs giving tax freebies funded from deficits to corps and the elite. I saw a piece the other day saying we are on track to crack 1T in yearly deficits because of this farce Trump passed...and that should happen in less than two years and it will get WORSE. These cuts are back loaded and the pain will come harshly as time goes on unless these are undone and severely reversed.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 10:04 PM ET #73

    This will give you an idea of the rich getting richer.

    George Soros net worth 2007=8.5 billion

    George Soros net worth 2017=25.2 billion
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    This will give you an idea of the rich getting richer.

    George Soros net worth 2007=8.5 billion

    George Soros net worth 2017=25.2 billion
     
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    I dont recall doing the repub vs dem dance, I rarely do this but there are differences between the two as I stated above. If I have to choose the way the money is spent I will choose to go the social route and for sure repubs are not focused on their loan shark payments to go to that segment of the population vs dems. 

    My vote is none of the above.  I vote for not wasting money at all.


    If you want to do Obama vs Trump feel free, I am not interested in comparing politicians, so feel free to do that with others I find no value in doing that as a form of debate in general. 

    Fine with me.  I wouldn't want to defend Trump and you wouldn't be able to defend Obama.  Fair enough.


    I do think that reformed social programs are the way to spend the monies vs giving tax freebies funded from deficits to corps and the elite. I saw a piece the other day saying we are on track to crack 1T in yearly deficits because of this farce Trump passed...and that should happen in less than two years and it will get WORSE. These cuts are back loaded and the pain will come harshly as time goes on unless these are undone and severely reversed.

    Social programs and tax cuts.  I would be just fine without give aways at all.  

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    I dont recall doing the repub vs dem dance, I rarely do this but there are differences between the two as I stated above. If I have to choose the way the money is spent I will choose to go the social route and for sure repubs are not focused on their loan shark payments to go to that segment of the population vs dems. 

    My vote is none of the above.  I vote for not wasting money at all.


    If you want to do Obama vs Trump feel free, I am not interested in comparing politicians, so feel free to do that with others I find no value in doing that as a form of debate in general. 

    Fine with me.  I wouldn't want to defend Trump and you wouldn't be able to defend Obama.  Fair enough.


    I do think that reformed social programs are the way to spend the monies vs giving tax freebies funded from deficits to corps and the elite. I saw a piece the other day saying we are on track to crack 1T in yearly deficits because of this farce Trump passed...and that should happen in less than two years and it will get WORSE. These cuts are back loaded and the pain will come harshly as time goes on unless these are undone and severely reversed.

    Social programs and tax cuts.  I would be just fine without give aways at all.  

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 10:39 PM ET #75

    Your lame digs are boring...not even disguised unlike how the other guys attempt to hide it. The Obama comment is juvenile and useless. But hey you said it and you cant take it back.

    I stated before and I guess you didnt care to read what I said...the only way to stop the spending or even get close to a balanced budget is to remove the loan sharks....politicians owe their jobs to the loan sharks and unless that is removed, your utopic ideal scenario has zero chance...and thus it has zero chance. Private and corp monies have polluted politics from before this country was even established and there is no stopping it. Someone is going to get paid, a loan shark of one sort or the other gets paid because that is how politics everywhere works.

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    Your lame digs are boring...not even disguised unlike how the other guys attempt to hide it. The Obama comment is juvenile and useless. But hey you said it and you cant take it back.

    I stated before and I guess you didnt care to read what I said...the only way to stop the spending or even get close to a balanced budget is to remove the loan sharks....politicians owe their jobs to the loan sharks and unless that is removed, your utopic ideal scenario has zero chance...and thus it has zero chance. Private and corp monies have polluted politics from before this country was even established and there is no stopping it. Someone is going to get paid, a loan shark of one sort or the other gets paid because that is how politics everywhere works.

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