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    Rush51
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2013 - 12:41 AM ET #26

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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2013 - 12:53 AM ET #27

    And now the Russians to save the day? I guess the Iranians were too busy with their nuke program to take time to offer their assistance. I've never witnessed a more inept group that our current leadership (and the bar was high). So now an ally of Syria is going to broker a deal to get the chemical weapons out of Assad's control. hmmm.

    Also, I'm wondering what an "extremely small attack" looks like. Is it a guy with a confederate flag in his rear window doing a drive-by shooting at Assad's house? wtf? Why is this all being done in the wide open? Telegraphing every potential facet of an offensive has got be against any rule of engagement (no boots on the ground, small strike, targeted, etc). Can't you leave something to the imagination, make them wonder, just a little? Is it any wonder we can't WIN anything anymore...
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    And now the Russians to save the day? I guess the Iranians were too busy with their nuke program to take time to offer their assistance. I've never witnessed a more inept group that our current leadership (and the bar was high). So now an ally of Syria is going to broker a deal to get the chemical weapons out of Assad's control. hmmm.

    Also, I'm wondering what an "extremely small attack" looks like. Is it a guy with a confederate flag in his rear window doing a drive-by shooting at Assad's house? wtf? Why is this all being done in the wide open? Telegraphing every potential facet of an offensive has got be against any rule of engagement (no boots on the ground, small strike, targeted, etc). Can't you leave something to the imagination, make them wonder, just a little? Is it any wonder we can't WIN anything anymore...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2013 - 8:05 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

     

    The interests run much bigger than Financial.   Russia has a naval base (Tartus)  in Syria along the Mediterranean that is of primary interest.    It is their gateway to the Atlantic .   Their bases in the North are frozen half the year and worthless from a strategic standpoint.

    Russia will not let this base go under any circumstance... and therefore Syria.  

    Very true, although those bases take on far less importance post 1990 (look at their reduction post-Gorby).

    But you do bring up a good point about the military interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

     

    The interests run much bigger than Financial.   Russia has a naval base (Tartus)  in Syria along the Mediterranean that is of primary interest.    It is their gateway to the Atlantic .   Their bases in the North are frozen half the year and worthless from a strategic standpoint.

    Russia will not let this base go under any circumstance... and therefore Syria.  

    Very true, although those bases take on far less importance post 1990 (look at their reduction post-Gorby).

    But you do bring up a good point about the military interest.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 6:53 AM ET #29

    Does anyone else have the suspicion that Putin is going to playing us the whole way through on this?
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    Does anyone else have the suspicion that Putin is going to playing us the whole way through on this?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 8:19 AM ET #30

    I suspect that Putin is a NFL Super Bowl champion, and Obama is a Jr. College squad that has to borrow a punter from the soccer team.

    He has wandered into the deep end and it is clear to all that he is not a very strong swimmer.
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    I suspect that Putin is a NFL Super Bowl champion, and Obama is a Jr. College squad that has to borrow a punter from the soccer team.

    He has wandered into the deep end and it is clear to all that he is not a very strong swimmer.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 10:03 AM ET #31

    Golly gee. I am absolutely shocked to see the last two posts from those posters.

    I'm interested exactly how Putin has played the US here. They have a much greater interest in Syria than the US, therefore, they have a much greater reason to not want US presence or involvement in the war.

    But by all means, I am sure Faux news has a good spin on this, so you should pay close attention to that.

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    Golly gee. I am absolutely shocked to see the last two posts from those posters.

    I'm interested exactly how Putin has played the US here. They have a much greater interest in Syria than the US, therefore, they have a much greater reason to not want US presence or involvement in the war.

    But by all means, I am sure Faux news has a good spin on this, so you should pay close attention to that.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 10:34 AM ET #32

    I haven't been watching "faux" news. 

    I have been watching RT, so that probably has something to do with it. LoL

    But, you have to admit, Kerry makes an off the cuff remark, and Russia calls his bluff.

    This administration was dead set on a strike. They sent Kerry out to practically beg people for support, and Putin swoops in and offers a chance at peace, and completely takes away what little wind was in the sails of war.

    Really, Kerry is probably in the dog house, but this administration as a whole is amateurish. 

    I am not saying  I would make a good Sec of state, or president, but you would have to be blind deaf and dumb not to realize that Putin has forced our hand.

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    I haven't been watching "faux" news. 

    I have been watching RT, so that probably has something to do with it. LoL

    But, you have to admit, Kerry makes an off the cuff remark, and Russia calls his bluff.

    This administration was dead set on a strike. They sent Kerry out to practically beg people for support, and Putin swoops in and offers a chance at peace, and completely takes away what little wind was in the sails of war.

    Really, Kerry is probably in the dog house, but this administration as a whole is amateurish. 

    I am not saying  I would make a good Sec of state, or president, but you would have to be blind deaf and dumb not to realize that Putin has forced our hand.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:00 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    I haven't been watching "faux" news. 

    I have been watching RT, so that probably has something to do with it. LoL

    But, you have to admit, Kerry makes an off the cuff remark, and Russia calls his bluff.

    This administration was dead set on a strike. They sent Kerry out to practically beg people for support, and Putin swoops in and offers a chance at peace, and completely takes away what little wind was in the sails of war.

    Really, Kerry is probably in the dog house, but this administration as a whole is amateurish. 

    I am not saying  I would make a good Sec of state, or president, but you would have to be blind deaf and dumb not to realize that Putin has forced our hand.

    Or...

    the strike was always a bluff to force Russian action.

    You don't know and neither do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    I haven't been watching "faux" news. 

    I have been watching RT, so that probably has something to do with it. LoL

    But, you have to admit, Kerry makes an off the cuff remark, and Russia calls his bluff.

    This administration was dead set on a strike. They sent Kerry out to practically beg people for support, and Putin swoops in and offers a chance at peace, and completely takes away what little wind was in the sails of war.

    Really, Kerry is probably in the dog house, but this administration as a whole is amateurish. 

    I am not saying  I would make a good Sec of state, or president, but you would have to be blind deaf and dumb not to realize that Putin has forced our hand.

    Or...

    the strike was always a bluff to force Russian action.

    You don't know and neither do I.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:23 AM ET #34

    Why would this administration purposefully lose that much political capital domestically and internationally on some sort of hail marry?

    You are suggesting that they planted the question and Kerry's off the cuff remark was somehow staged?

    The inconsistency of Kerry's message from the get-go and inconsistency of Obama vs. the overall agenda will leave a legacy of ineptitude that will trump Carter's.

    It is possible that this was all a masterstroke by Obama, but not very plausible. 

    It is a huge stretch, and it is very telling that you are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, on this huge stretch.

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    Why would this administration purposefully lose that much political capital domestically and internationally on some sort of hail marry?

    You are suggesting that they planted the question and Kerry's off the cuff remark was somehow staged?

    The inconsistency of Kerry's message from the get-go and inconsistency of Obama vs. the overall agenda will leave a legacy of ineptitude that will trump Carter's.

    It is possible that this was all a masterstroke by Obama, but not very plausible. 

    It is a huge stretch, and it is very telling that you are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, on this huge stretch.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:29 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    Why would this administration purposefully lose that much political capital domestically and internationally on some sort of hail marry?

    You are suggesting that they planted the question and Kerry's off the cuff remark was somehow staged?

    The inconsistency of Kerry's message from the get-go and inconsistency of Obama vs. the overall agenda will leave a legacy of ineptitude that will trump Carter's.

    It is possible that this was all a masterstroke by Obama, but not very plausible. 

    It is a huge stretch, and it is very telling that you are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, on this huge stretch.

    What political capital?

    Threaten bombing and back that up by going to Congress (as opposed to doing it without Congressional approval which many Presidents have done).

    Notice how I didn't give any benefit of the doubt (the "you don't know and neither do I statement') whereas you are "certain" of ineptitude.

    As I said the other day..if this matter was resolved by Russia becoming the supervisor of the weapons and without any US bombs, loss of life, drone attacks, etc. and Rand Paul was President, you would be giddy beyond belief.

    Your dark red is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    Why would this administration purposefully lose that much political capital domestically and internationally on some sort of hail marry?

    You are suggesting that they planted the question and Kerry's off the cuff remark was somehow staged?

    The inconsistency of Kerry's message from the get-go and inconsistency of Obama vs. the overall agenda will leave a legacy of ineptitude that will trump Carter's.

    It is possible that this was all a masterstroke by Obama, but not very plausible. 

    It is a huge stretch, and it is very telling that you are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, on this huge stretch.

    What political capital?

    Threaten bombing and back that up by going to Congress (as opposed to doing it without Congressional approval which many Presidents have done).

    Notice how I didn't give any benefit of the doubt (the "you don't know and neither do I statement') whereas you are "certain" of ineptitude.

    As I said the other day..if this matter was resolved by Russia becoming the supervisor of the weapons and without any US bombs, loss of life, drone attacks, etc. and Rand Paul was President, you would be giddy beyond belief.

    Your dark red is showing.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:10 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Golly gee. I am absolutely shocked to see the last two posts from those posters.

    I'm interested exactly how Putin has played the US here. They have a much greater interest in Syria than the US, therefore, they have a much greater reason to not want US presence or involvement in the war.

    But by all means, I am sure Faux news has a good spin on this, so you should pay close attention to that.

    More attacks on fellow cover members dj? Seems to be your new MO.

    Why not try relaxing a bit Francis?

    I asked if anyone else had any suspicions about Putin playing us.

    I am very leery of Putin, his intentions and the end game in all of this.

    Is that a partisan question in your mind?

    I suppose you missed my posts that stated that if Kerrys off the cuff comment brought this about then kudos to him if it was indeed the catalyst.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Golly gee. I am absolutely shocked to see the last two posts from those posters.

    I'm interested exactly how Putin has played the US here. They have a much greater interest in Syria than the US, therefore, they have a much greater reason to not want US presence or involvement in the war.

    But by all means, I am sure Faux news has a good spin on this, so you should pay close attention to that.

    More attacks on fellow cover members dj? Seems to be your new MO.

    Why not try relaxing a bit Francis?

    I asked if anyone else had any suspicions about Putin playing us.

    I am very leery of Putin, his intentions and the end game in all of this.

    Is that a partisan question in your mind?

    I suppose you missed my posts that stated that if Kerrys off the cuff comment brought this about then kudos to him if it was indeed the catalyst.

     

     

     
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    Actually, there were zero attacks in my post. Calling me a liberal or partisan may be untrue but it isn't an attack.

    Calling you a right winger is exactly the same.

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    Actually, there were zero attacks in my post. Calling me a liberal or partisan may be untrue but it isn't an attack.

    Calling you a right winger is exactly the same.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:23 PM ET #38

    Okie doke

    see ya!

     

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    Okie doke

    see ya!

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 2:35 PM ET #39

    DJ,

     

    Any political capital barry had, anywhere. If you can't see the bungling taking place over the Syria situation, you are just too far in the bag for this guy.

     

     

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    DJ,

     

    Any political capital barry had, anywhere. If you can't see the bungling taking place over the Syria situation, you are just too far in the bag for this guy.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 4:29 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    What political capital?

    Having to make an all out blitz to try and win congressional support for bombing Syria which often means having to offer deals/favors on other pending legislation or giving up something in return for a yes vote.

    You know this.............................

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    What political capital?

    Having to make an all out blitz to try and win congressional support for bombing Syria which often means having to offer deals/favors on other pending legislation or giving up something in return for a yes vote.

    You know this.............................

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2013 - 10:53 AM ET #41

    I just saw a funny line and thought I would share it with my Covas Brothas. It is a play on Sarah Palin's/SNL Russia Line

    "I can see Putin's boot print on Obama's azz from my house."
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    I just saw a funny line and thought I would share it with my Covas Brothas. It is a play on Sarah Palin's/SNL Russia Line

    "I can see Putin's boot print on Obama's azz from my house."
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2013 - 11:25 AM ET #42

    Right wingers are funny creatures.

    If a Republican was President and he/she was able to negotiate a resolution whereby Russia did all of the work for the US/UN, they would be calling it the greatest diplomatic victory since the end of the Cold War!

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    Right wingers are funny creatures.

    If a Republican was President and he/she was able to negotiate a resolution whereby Russia did all of the work for the US/UN, they would be calling it the greatest diplomatic victory since the end of the Cold War!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2013 - 11:40 AM ET #43

    that is a tone deaf statement. 

    It is not taking into account anything that precipitated the action.

    I am happy we are not going to war, and Russia was able to use diplomacy to avert a possible world war, not Obama. Obama can not go to war now because he is hamstrung by the people of this country, No support from the limeys, Russian Diplomacy and the fact that his plan included supporting Al Qaeda. 

    Stop carrying this man's water, you are embarrassing yourself. 

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    that is a tone deaf statement. 

    It is not taking into account anything that precipitated the action.

    I am happy we are not going to war, and Russia was able to use diplomacy to avert a possible world war, not Obama. Obama can not go to war now because he is hamstrung by the people of this country, No support from the limeys, Russian Diplomacy and the fact that his plan included supporting Al Qaeda. 

    Stop carrying this man's water, you are embarrassing yourself. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2013 - 1:18 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    that is a tone deaf statement. 

    It is not taking into account anything that precipitated the action.

    I am happy we are not going to war, and Russia was able to use diplomacy to avert a possible world war, not Obama. Obama can not go to war now because he is hamstrung by the people of this country, No support from the limeys, Russian Diplomacy and the fact that his plan included supporting Al Qaeda. 

    Stop carrying this man's water, you are embarrassing yourself. 


    Coming from one of covers most right wing extremists, I'll take it as a compliment

    I've been extremely critical of Obama's failed Mideast foreign policy and I will also point out when positive results are achieved. You parrot whatever the heritage foundation is telling you to think.

    A right wing sheep is no way to go through life son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    that is a tone deaf statement. 

    It is not taking into account anything that precipitated the action.

    I am happy we are not going to war, and Russia was able to use diplomacy to avert a possible world war, not Obama. Obama can not go to war now because he is hamstrung by the people of this country, No support from the limeys, Russian Diplomacy and the fact that his plan included supporting Al Qaeda. 

    Stop carrying this man's water, you are embarrassing yourself. 


    Coming from one of covers most right wing extremists, I'll take it as a compliment

    I've been extremely critical of Obama's failed Mideast foreign policy and I will also point out when positive results are achieved. You parrot whatever the heritage foundation is telling you to think.

    A right wing sheep is no way to go through life son.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2013 - 3:55 PM ET #45

    Speaker Boehner hit the nail on the head yesterday when he released a web video contrasting the White House’s willingness to work with the Russians to find a diplomatic solution in Syria against President Obama’s declaration that he won’t negotiate with Republicans over the debt limit.

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    Speaker Boehner hit the nail on the head yesterday when he released a web video contrasting the White House’s willingness to work with the Russians to find a diplomatic solution in Syria against President Obama’s declaration that he won’t negotiate with Republicans over the debt limit.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2013 - 4:28 PM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Right wingers are funny creatures.

    If a Republican was President and he/she was able to negotiate a resolution whereby Russia did all of the work for the US/UN, they would be calling it the greatest diplomatic victory since the end of the Cold War!

    umm, yeah I trust Putin and Assad to be most forth coming and honest.......

    I have said if Kerrys off the cuff statement brought about the Russian connection then good for him.

    What I find laughable is that people actually think this is going to be some smooth process with the OPCW/UN/Russians/Syria removing and destroying all the chemical weapons in the middle of a civil war. We dont even know how many they have besides a guesstimate. Add to that the fact that Assad has already dicked the UN inspectors before. Also, I highly doubt Assad wont rope a dope just like Huessin did but I guess time will tell and for now the Syrian children Obama was so concerned about are getting slaughtered by conventional weapons which I guess he is ok with as long as he saved face with his red line comment.

    Obama foreign policy is a freakin train wreck and oh how I wish I could just look away!

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Right wingers are funny creatures.

    If a Republican was President and he/she was able to negotiate a resolution whereby Russia did all of the work for the US/UN, they would be calling it the greatest diplomatic victory since the end of the Cold War!

    umm, yeah I trust Putin and Assad to be most forth coming and honest.......

    I have said if Kerrys off the cuff statement brought about the Russian connection then good for him.

    What I find laughable is that people actually think this is going to be some smooth process with the OPCW/UN/Russians/Syria removing and destroying all the chemical weapons in the middle of a civil war. We dont even know how many they have besides a guesstimate. Add to that the fact that Assad has already dicked the UN inspectors before. Also, I highly doubt Assad wont rope a dope just like Huessin did but I guess time will tell and for now the Syrian children Obama was so concerned about are getting slaughtered by conventional weapons which I guess he is ok with as long as he saved face with his red line comment.

    Obama foreign policy is a freakin train wreck and oh how I wish I could just look away!

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2013 - 10:23 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Golly gee. I am absolutely shocked to see the last two posts from those posters.

    I'm interested exactly how Putin has played the US here. They have a much greater interest in Syria than the US, therefore, they have a much greater reason to not want US presence or involvement in the war.

    But by all means, I am sure Faux news has a good spin on this, so you should pay close attention to that.

     

    This might be the most important part of the debate ; Russia is willing to protect their interests in Syria far greater than what U.S. might want to provoke (i.e. attack)  on Assad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Golly gee. I am absolutely shocked to see the last two posts from those posters.

    I'm interested exactly how Putin has played the US here. They have a much greater interest in Syria than the US, therefore, they have a much greater reason to not want US presence or involvement in the war.

    But by all means, I am sure Faux news has a good spin on this, so you should pay close attention to that.

     

    This might be the most important part of the debate ; Russia is willing to protect their interests in Syria far greater than what U.S. might want to provoke (i.e. attack)  on Assad.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2013 - 10:24 PM ET #48

    And the U.S. is a dove... And Putin plays it, well.
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    And the U.S. is a dove... And Putin plays it, well.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Coming from one of covers most right wing extremists, I'll take it as a compliment

    I've been extremely critical of Obama's failed Mideast foreign policy and I will also point out when positive results are achieved. You parrot whatever the heritage foundation is telling you to think.

    A right wing sheep is no way to go through life son.

    rick only seems extreme because he takes independent views
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Coming from one of covers most right wing extremists, I'll take it as a compliment

    I've been extremely critical of Obama's failed Mideast foreign policy and I will also point out when positive results are achieved. You parrot whatever the heritage foundation is telling you to think.

    A right wing sheep is no way to go through life son.

    rick only seems extreme because he takes independent views
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