I like what happens when someone says Obama is the worst president ever and you ask them to name 15 presidents..
Very true! Or take away Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson and Roosevelt and see if they can name 5. Or name last 5. Most can't. Just repeating what they've heard.
For the record I can name them all--in order. And Obama is the worst to me.
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
I like what happens when someone says Obama is the worst president ever and you ask them to name 15 presidents..
Very true! Or take away Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson and Roosevelt and see if they can name 5. Or name last 5. Most can't. Just repeating what they've heard.
For the record I can name them all--in order. And Obama is the worst to me.
I start a thread about people being hypocritically partisan and what do I get?
Hypocritical partisanship.
Throw away the remote, Faux, MSNBC, drudgereport, thinkprogress, etc. and learn to think for yourselves.
Wow.
Good article.
But this statement is not easy to reconcile. For example, what do you recommend? Reading all sorts of books? Taking classes? You have to base your opinions on something. You have to be able to decide what you think is good or bad based on something. Or you will constantly be in flux. I agree the TV talk shows are not anything more than reinforcement. By still to think for yourself you have to have something to go by---parents, school, clergy, politicians, someone's opinion. Then you can start to reason out for yourself what works best. Etc.
hard to simply say think for yourself.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
This is priceless.
I start a thread about people being hypocritically partisan and what do I get?
Hypocritical partisanship.
Throw away the remote, Faux, MSNBC, drudgereport, thinkprogress, etc. and learn to think for yourselves.
Wow.
Good article.
But this statement is not easy to reconcile. For example, what do you recommend? Reading all sorts of books? Taking classes? You have to base your opinions on something. You have to be able to decide what you think is good or bad based on something. Or you will constantly be in flux. I agree the TV talk shows are not anything more than reinforcement. By still to think for yourself you have to have something to go by---parents, school, clergy, politicians, someone's opinion. Then you can start to reason out for yourself what works best. Etc.
I agree it is impolite and wrong place to call him out. But frustrating when he or any politician can get up and give a speech and tell lies or give bad numbers and not be held accountable. They know full well what they are doing. Obviously you can't interrupt someone's speech constantly to ask them to back up their lie. But they should be made to take questions right after the speech to clear up any obvious factual lies or incorrect statements. These speeches are prepped by many people. So, most lies are not accidental. Shouldn't have to wait until well after the speech when the speaker is long gone to do the fact checking and clarifying. Obvious mistakes should be corrected by the speaker right on the spot. That would cut out a lot of this nonsense.
That is BS...You do NOT call the President of the United States a lair on international T.V. period.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
I agree it is impolite and wrong place to call him out. But frustrating when he or any politician can get up and give a speech and tell lies or give bad numbers and not be held accountable. They know full well what they are doing. Obviously you can't interrupt someone's speech constantly to ask them to back up their lie. But they should be made to take questions right after the speech to clear up any obvious factual lies or incorrect statements. These speeches are prepped by many people. So, most lies are not accidental. Shouldn't have to wait until well after the speech when the speaker is long gone to do the fact checking and clarifying. Obvious mistakes should be corrected by the speaker right on the spot. That would cut out a lot of this nonsense.
That is BS...You do NOT call the President of the United States a lair on international T.V. period.
If he is, call him on it... I'm sick of people lapping up his b.s. all the time knowing he's a liar... He's pulling the plug on a country that he helped put on life support...
I'm still waiting for you to answer some of the questions I posed to you on my first post on this thread.
I know you can't defend anything, your that far gone...
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If he is, call him on it... I'm sick of people lapping up his b.s. all the time knowing he's a liar... He's pulling the plug on a country that he helped put on life support...
I'm still waiting for you to answer some of the questions I posed to you on my first post on this thread.
I know you can't defend anything, your that far gone...
That is BS...You do NOT call the President of the United States a lair on international T.V. period.
Don, point me to the thread where you have bashed Harry Reid for calling Bush a liar on Meet the Press (Dec 5, 2004). Show me the thread where you say it was wrong for Rep. Pete Stark and Maxine Waters to call Bush a liar on the House floor on CSPAN.
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:
That is BS...You do NOT call the President of the United States a lair on international T.V. period.
Don, point me to the thread where you have bashed Harry Reid for calling Bush a liar on Meet the Press (Dec 5, 2004). Show me the thread where you say it was wrong for Rep. Pete Stark and Maxine Waters to call Bush a liar on the House floor on CSPAN.
With the responses so far, it is really hard to see how the parties have been so successful in making the sheep think one is so much better than the other.
So very well put.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
With the responses so far, it is really hard to see how the parties have been so successful in making the sheep think one is so much better than the other.
Brows, I not hypocritical . I have stated what I believe for years. I may be partisan but that's because the right will not negotiate, as evidenced by the past 6 years. Everything Obama has gotten done, he had to circumvent the repulsicans. Not with Clinton either. not with Carter..... So screw them. They are dug in so deep. They don't give a squat about anybody but themselves.
In all seriousness, this is exactly why it's impossible for you to have a meaningful objective conversation with anyone. If guess this is your outlet though for your relentless frustration.
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:
Brows, I not hypocritical . I have stated what I believe for years. I may be partisan but that's because the right will not negotiate, as evidenced by the past 6 years. Everything Obama has gotten done, he had to circumvent the repulsicans. Not with Clinton either. not with Carter..... So screw them. They are dug in so deep. They don't give a squat about anybody but themselves.
In all seriousness, this is exactly why it's impossible for you to have a meaningful objective conversation with anyone. If guess this is your outlet though for your relentless frustration.
That is BS...You do NOT call the President of the United States a lair on international T.V. period.
I agree Marty. I am saying it is probably frustrating to sit and listen o someone give a speech and tell blatant lies---knowing that he will then simply walk away without having to be verbally held accountable on te spot.
It just doesn't have same effect when you are questioned about it a week or so later. Etc.
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:
That is BS...You do NOT call the President of the United States a lair on international T.V. period.
I agree Marty. I am saying it is probably frustrating to sit and listen o someone give a speech and tell blatant lies---knowing that he will then simply walk away without having to be verbally held accountable on te spot.
It just doesn't have same effect when you are questioned about it a week or so later. Etc.
All of you right-wing nutters here, about 10 of you, are the real lairs.
This is one of ..your places to vent your frustrations because we have a Democrat for president, not mine.
Do you see the economy growing, do you see the stock market up ? Do you see gas prices down ? Do you see the unemployment rate way down ?
Then Shut up and suffer, until you mature and realize you're on the wrong side.
I could live with a Democrat in the WH if they followed the constitution and respected the balance of power. This dude promised to be the most transparent POTUS in history and turned out to be the exact opposite.
Gas prices went down alright but due to no direct action of the president. There are some forecasts that predict record high prices in the not so distant future.
Donkey otie..maybe you don't respect the balance of power yourself so you wouldn't care if your guy takes a piss all over it.
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:
All of you right-wing nutters here, about 10 of you, are the real lairs.
This is one of ..your places to vent your frustrations because we have a Democrat for president, not mine.
Do you see the economy growing, do you see the stock market up ? Do you see gas prices down ? Do you see the unemployment rate way down ?
Then Shut up and suffer, until you mature and realize you're on the wrong side.
I could live with a Democrat in the WH if they followed the constitution and respected the balance of power. This dude promised to be the most transparent POTUS in history and turned out to be the exact opposite.
Gas prices went down alright but due to no direct action of the president. There are some forecasts that predict record high prices in the not so distant future.
Donkey otie..maybe you don't respect the balance of power yourself so you wouldn't care if your guy takes a piss all over it.
It's a shame to see grown men metaphorically constantly live on their knees swallowing the seed of civil servants instead of demanding they do their job and just respecting their position. Proud ive never went into a voting booth and voted a straight ticket. One of my favorite campaign signs I ever saw was in a small town in michigan about 5 years ago. It read "vote joe smith democrat for road commisioner" not joe smith civil engineer, not joe smith paving company owner, not joe smith [insert any qualification or experience ] but simply a political party To get your voting base. Well joe smith won, and last year when I was there again, it was that much worse. Congrats, you get what you deserve.
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It's a shame to see grown men metaphorically constantly live on their knees swallowing the seed of civil servants instead of demanding they do their job and just respecting their position. Proud ive never went into a voting booth and voted a straight ticket. One of my favorite campaign signs I ever saw was in a small town in michigan about 5 years ago. It read "vote joe smith democrat for road commisioner" not joe smith civil engineer, not joe smith paving company owner, not joe smith [insert any qualification or experience ] but simply a political party To get your voting base. Well joe smith won, and last year when I was there again, it was that much worse. Congrats, you get what you deserve.
It's a shame to see grown men metaphorically constantly live on their knees swallowing the seed of civil servants instead of demanding they do their job and just respecting their position. Proud ive never went into a voting booth and voted a straight ticket. One of my favorite campaign signs I ever saw was in a small town in michigan about 5 years ago. It read "vote joe smith democrat for road commisioner" not joe smith civil engineer, not joe smith paving company owner, not joe smith [insert any qualification or experience ] but simply a political party To get your voting base. Well joe smith won, and last year when I was there again, it was that much worse. Congrats, you get what you deserve.
Someone please tell this guy how to make a paragraph, so we can understand what the H he's saying ?
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Quote Originally Posted by potter36:
It's a shame to see grown men metaphorically constantly live on their knees swallowing the seed of civil servants instead of demanding they do their job and just respecting their position. Proud ive never went into a voting booth and voted a straight ticket. One of my favorite campaign signs I ever saw was in a small town in michigan about 5 years ago. It read "vote joe smith democrat for road commisioner" not joe smith civil engineer, not joe smith paving company owner, not joe smith [insert any qualification or experience ] but simply a political party To get your voting base. Well joe smith won, and last year when I was there again, it was that much worse. Congrats, you get what you deserve.
Someone please tell this guy how to make a paragraph, so we can understand what the H he's saying ?
I could live with a Democrat in the WH if they followed the constitution and respected the balance of power. This dude promised to be the most transparent POTUS in history and turned out to be the exact opposite.
Gas prices went down alright but due to no direct action of the president. There are some forecasts that predict record high prices in the not so distant future.
Donkey otie..maybe you don't respect the balance of power yourself so you wouldn't care if your guy takes a piss all over it.
1. Not " Could " you must live the guy in the WH ! Lol
2. They wanted to drill baby drill, Obama said We don't need it NOW., We need to invent other ways to transport. Meanwhile, prices dropped.
3 Balance of power ? We don't need any repulsican power , that's for darn sure.
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
I could live with a Democrat in the WH if they followed the constitution and respected the balance of power. This dude promised to be the most transparent POTUS in history and turned out to be the exact opposite.
Gas prices went down alright but due to no direct action of the president. There are some forecasts that predict record high prices in the not so distant future.
Donkey otie..maybe you don't respect the balance of power yourself so you wouldn't care if your guy takes a piss all over it.
1. Not " Could " you must live the guy in the WH ! Lol
2. They wanted to drill baby drill, Obama said We don't need it NOW., We need to invent other ways to transport. Meanwhile, prices dropped.
3 Balance of power ? We don't need any repulsican power , that's for darn sure.
Someone please tell this guy how to make a paragraph, so we can understand what the H he's saying ?
Go ahead and make your little sarcastic comments Don. Wonder if your ready to answer one question I've asked you at least twice before without a whiff of a response. I'll ask again if you need it. Or is you need to continue to play comedian....I guess carry on.
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:
Someone please tell this guy how to make a paragraph, so we can understand what the H he's saying ?
Go ahead and make your little sarcastic comments Don. Wonder if your ready to answer one question I've asked you at least twice before without a whiff of a response. I'll ask again if you need it. Or is you need to continue to play comedian....I guess carry on.
Don, the question I've asked several times deals with unions. pro union types are constantly talking about corporate greed and owners taking advantage if the workers. Unions have manpower, financial backing, and democratic political backing. If the union knows how to do it better, why not just start competing businesses with their own manpower and run as they see fit? That way union leaders could run companies, pay workers the exact wages they demand and provide the exact environment they Wish. If their way is better, they drive out all the corporate competitors.
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Don, the question I've asked several times deals with unions. pro union types are constantly talking about corporate greed and owners taking advantage if the workers. Unions have manpower, financial backing, and democratic political backing. If the union knows how to do it better, why not just start competing businesses with their own manpower and run as they see fit? That way union leaders could run companies, pay workers the exact wages they demand and provide the exact environment they Wish. If their way is better, they drive out all the corporate competitors.
Someone please tell this guy how to make a paragraph, so we can understand what the H he's saying ?
I understood and I agree..
Party blaming is moronic..its not this party or that party, they all suck.
The reason they suck has to do with the owners of politics, not what group they belong to. Until the only driver of politics is to serve the citizen base who cares what party is in control. MONEY is in control...what else is there?
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:
Someone please tell this guy how to make a paragraph, so we can understand what the H he's saying ?
I understood and I agree..
Party blaming is moronic..its not this party or that party, they all suck.
The reason they suck has to do with the owners of politics, not what group they belong to. Until the only driver of politics is to serve the citizen base who cares what party is in control. MONEY is in control...what else is there?
Don, the question I've asked several times deals with unions. pro union types are constantly talking about corporate greed and owners taking advantage if the workers. Unions have manpower, financial backing, and democratic political backing. If the union knows how to do it better, why not just start competing businesses with their own manpower and run as they see fit? That way union leaders could run companies, pay workers the exact wages they demand and provide the exact environment they Wish. If their way is better, they drive out all the corporate competitors.
I can hardly read what in the world you are saying, in your mumbojumbo rambling. Is the following correct ?
Don, the question I've asked several times dealswith unions.
Pro union types are constantly talking about corporate greed and owners taking advantage if the workers. ...Unions have manpower, financial backing, and democratic political backing.
Question...... If the union knows how to do it better, why not just start competing businesses with their own manpower and run as they see fit ?
That way union leaders could run companies, pay workers the exact wages they demand and provide the exact environment they wish. If their way is better, they drive out all the corporate competitors.
Answer...Because they would be doing the opposite of what they were voted in to do !.
That would be the same as building a Walmart across the street from a Walmart and hiring scab workers. Or paying below a living wage,
Walmart was built on cheap labor. That's why the middle class is in the position they're in. The Walton family are billionaires. Not a millionaires, BILLIONAIRES.
That's the last question I'll answer until you write it where we don't have to decipher what you're trying to convey to me.
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Quote Originally Posted by potter36:
Don, the question I've asked several times deals with unions. pro union types are constantly talking about corporate greed and owners taking advantage if the workers. Unions have manpower, financial backing, and democratic political backing. If the union knows how to do it better, why not just start competing businesses with their own manpower and run as they see fit? That way union leaders could run companies, pay workers the exact wages they demand and provide the exact environment they Wish. If their way is better, they drive out all the corporate competitors.
I can hardly read what in the world you are saying, in your mumbojumbo rambling. Is the following correct ?
Don, the question I've asked several times dealswith unions.
Pro union types are constantly talking about corporate greed and owners taking advantage if the workers. ...Unions have manpower, financial backing, and democratic political backing.
Question...... If the union knows how to do it better, why not just start competing businesses with their own manpower and run as they see fit ?
That way union leaders could run companies, pay workers the exact wages they demand and provide the exact environment they wish. If their way is better, they drive out all the corporate competitors.
Answer...Because they would be doing the opposite of what they were voted in to do !.
That would be the same as building a Walmart across the street from a Walmart and hiring scab workers. Or paying below a living wage,
Walmart was built on cheap labor. That's why the middle class is in the position they're in. The Walton family are billionaires. Not a millionaires, BILLIONAIRES.
That's the last question I'll answer until you write it where we don't have to decipher what you're trying to convey to me.
I can hardly read what in the world you are saying, in your mumbojumbo rambling. Is the following correct ?
Don, the question I've asked several times dealswith unions.
Pro union types are constantly talking about corporate greed and owners taking advantage if the workers. ...Unions have manpower, financial backing, and democratic political backing.
Question...... If the union knows how to do it better, why not just start competing businesses with their own manpower and run as they see fit ?
That way union leaders could run companies, pay workers the exact wages they demand and provide the exact environment they wish. If their way is better, they drive out all the corporate competitors.
Answer...Because they would be doing the opposite of what they were voted in to do !.
That would be the same as building a Walmart across the street from a Walmart and hiring scab workers. Or paying below a living wage,
Walmart was built on cheap labor. That's why the middle class is in the position they're in. The Walton family are billionaires. Not a millionaires, BILLIONAIRES.
That's the last question I'll answer until you write it where we don't have to decipher what you're trying to convey to me.
You are all over the place.
I can answer your question Potter, but you probably already know the answer.
Union leaders, although usually wealthy, do not want to risk their OWN money & time starting a business. They convince workers they are needed so the union members PAY UNION DUES and the leaders are living in mansions and driving around in Mercedes. Union leaders create nothing.
Take a person like Sam Walton. He started with one store in Arkansas. He risked his OWN money to get that store off the ground. Probably spent between 16 to 18 hrs a day at that store to make it successful. Now the company he created is the largest employer in the country.
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:
I can hardly read what in the world you are saying, in your mumbojumbo rambling. Is the following correct ?
Don, the question I've asked several times dealswith unions.
Pro union types are constantly talking about corporate greed and owners taking advantage if the workers. ...Unions have manpower, financial backing, and democratic political backing.
Question...... If the union knows how to do it better, why not just start competing businesses with their own manpower and run as they see fit ?
That way union leaders could run companies, pay workers the exact wages they demand and provide the exact environment they wish. If their way is better, they drive out all the corporate competitors.
Answer...Because they would be doing the opposite of what they were voted in to do !.
That would be the same as building a Walmart across the street from a Walmart and hiring scab workers. Or paying below a living wage,
Walmart was built on cheap labor. That's why the middle class is in the position they're in. The Walton family are billionaires. Not a millionaires, BILLIONAIRES.
That's the last question I'll answer until you write it where we don't have to decipher what you're trying to convey to me.
You are all over the place.
I can answer your question Potter, but you probably already know the answer.
Union leaders, although usually wealthy, do not want to risk their OWN money & time starting a business. They convince workers they are needed so the union members PAY UNION DUES and the leaders are living in mansions and driving around in Mercedes. Union leaders create nothing.
Take a person like Sam Walton. He started with one store in Arkansas. He risked his OWN money to get that store off the ground. Probably spent between 16 to 18 hrs a day at that store to make it successful. Now the company he created is the largest employer in the country.
I can answer your question Potter, but you probably already know the answer.
Union leaders, although usually wealthy, do not want to risk their OWN money & time starting a business. They convince workers they are needed so the union members PAY UNION DUES and the leaders are living in mansions and driving around in Mercedes. Union leaders create nothing.
Take a person like Sam Walton. He started with one store in Arkansas. He risked his OWN money to get that store off the ground. Probably spent between 16 to 18 hrs a day at that store to make it successful. Now the company he created is the largest employer in the country.
Off the backs of slave labor !
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Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:
You are all over the place.
I can answer your question Potter, but you probably already know the answer.
Union leaders, although usually wealthy, do not want to risk their OWN money & time starting a business. They convince workers they are needed so the union members PAY UNION DUES and the leaders are living in mansions and driving around in Mercedes. Union leaders create nothing.
Take a person like Sam Walton. He started with one store in Arkansas. He risked his OWN money to get that store off the ground. Probably spent between 16 to 18 hrs a day at that store to make it successful. Now the company he created is the largest employer in the country.
Slave labor assumes the employees don't have a choice.
I'm assuming the day that person went to Wal Mart and filled out the application they did so because they wanted to work there.
You assume Sam Walton broke into that person's house, held a gun to his/her head, and assured them that either their name or their signature would be on that application.
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:
Off the backs of slave labor !
Slave labor assumes the employees don't have a choice.
I'm assuming the day that person went to Wal Mart and filled out the application they did so because they wanted to work there.
You assume Sam Walton broke into that person's house, held a gun to his/her head, and assured them that either their name or their signature would be on that application.
Slave labor assumes the employees don't have a choice.
I'm assuming the day that person went to Wal Mart and filled out the application they did so because they wanted to work there.
You assume Sam Walton broke into that person's house, held a gun to his/her head, and assured them that either their name or their signature would be on that application.
ruined that Godfather quote
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Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:
Slave labor assumes the employees don't have a choice.
I'm assuming the day that person went to Wal Mart and filled out the application they did so because they wanted to work there.
You assume Sam Walton broke into that person's house, held a gun to his/her head, and assured them that either their name or their signature would be on that application.
Very true! Or take away Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson and Roosevelt and see if they can name 5. Or name last 5. Most can't. Just repeating what they've heard. 
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