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Posted: #51

Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:



Slave labor assumes the employees don't have a choice.

I'm assuming the day that person went to Wal Mart and filled out the application they did so because they wanted to work there.

You assume Sam Walton broke into that person's house, held a gun to his/her head, and assured them that either their name or their signature would be on that application.

 

If one has children to feed, you work for what he'll pay.  I have no problem what start ups.     (  remember this,  it was Walton's wife who insisted her husband give them a raise. .)

However, once their company got huge, they didn't want to share the wealth.       DON'T YOU GET IT ?   Then the money goes to the top !

I think you left your brains in your last post.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

 

I can hardly read what in the world you are saying, in your mumbo jumbo rambling. Is the following correct ?

 Don, the question I've asked several times deals with unions.

Pro union types are constantly talking about corporate greed and owners taking advantage if the workers. ...Unions have manpower, financial backing, and democratic political backing.

Question...... If the union knows how to do it better, why not just start competing businesses with their own manpower and run as they see fit ?

That way union leaders could run companies, pay workers the exact wages they demand and provide the exact environment they wish. If their way is better, they drive out all the corporate competitors.

Answer...Because they would be doing the opposite of what they were voted in to do !.

That would be the same as building a Walmart across the street from a Walmart and hiring scab workers. Or paying below a living wage,

Walmart was built on cheap labor. That's why the middle class is in the position they're in. The Walton family are billionaires. Not a millionaires, BILLIONAIRES.

That's the last question I'll answer until you write it where we don't have to decipher what you're trying to convey to me.


See Don, here's the skinny.  If you don't understand, it's because you can't comprehend. I only say that in response to the way responded to my question to you (again that has been asked several times in the past). You can try to condescend on me all you want, but everyone on here can read my post and your response and make their own judgement as to that.

WSC, who I don't often agree with, b t can at least respect what he says and step back and learn from his perspective, somehow answered previously, what you said was incoherent.  

Your answer...."Because they would be doing the opposite of what they were hired to do!".......I hope is only a joke.

I'm trying to be respectful but I really don't know a simpler way to ask it.  Do you really not get it?

IF UNIONS KNOW BETTER, HOW TO RUN A COMPANY, WHY NOT START......AND RUN THEIR OWN COMPANY?

Free of corporate influence, they should be able create, from cradle to grave, a better mousetrap (i.e.  more fair and better performing company).  

I have tried to straight to the point (and with proper grammar).  I respectfully await your answer.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

DJ - Another guy that won't answer a question...

Killer.. don't be so hard on Don Julio.  He just doesn't know the answers to your questions.  It's not his fault.. 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

Killer.. don't be so hard on Don Julio.  He just doesn't know the answers to your questions.  It's not his fault.. 

It's Bush's fault..............

 
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See Don, here's the skinny.  If you don't understand, it's because you can't comprehend. I only say that in response to the way responded to my question to you (again that has been asked several times in the past). You can try to condescend on me all you want, but everyone on here can read my post and your response and make their own judgement as to that.

WSC, who I don't often agree with, b t can at least respect what he says and step back and learn from his perspective, somehow answered previously, what you said was incoherent.  

Your answer...."Because they would be doing the opposite of what they were hired to do!".......I hope is only a joke.

I'm trying to be respectful but I really don't know a simpler way to ask it.  Do you really not get it?

IF UNIONS KNOW BETTER, HOW TO RUN A COMPANY, WHY NOT START......AND RUN THEIR OWN COMPANY?

Free of corporate influence, they should be able create, from cradle to grave, a better mousetrap (i.e.  more fair and better performing company).  

I have tried to straight to the point (and with proper grammar).  I respectfully await your answer.


 

Pots36.   I like your writing much better,  easier to read, thank you. Now you're learning, Soon you'll learn that unions are on your side, the middle class, which I am sure you are included.

The problem is that your head is soft. What I say goes in one ear and out the other.

Try again and Re-read my WHOLE answer, then get back to me.

 

 
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The fact is that when unions are stronger the economy as a whole does better. Unions restore demand to an economy by raising wages for their members and putting more purchasing power to work, enabling more hiring. On the flip side, when labor is weak and capital unconstrained, corporations hoard, hiring slows, and inequality deepens. Thus we have today both record highs in corporate profits and record lows in wages.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

The fact is that when unions are stronger the economy as a whole does better. Unions restore demand to an economy by raising wages for their members and putting more purchasing power to work, enabling more hiring. On the flip side, when labor is weak and capital unconstrained, corporations hoard, hiring slows, and inequality deepens. Thus we have today both record highs in corporate profits and record lows in wages.



Point #1: A fact is something indisputable by everyone. For instance one plus one equals two or the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Unions having anything to do with a booming economy is your opinion. You could probably pull out graphs and charts compiled by Paul Krugman or Robert Reich to confirm your theory and I could pull out graphs and charts by conservative economist to show just the opposite.

Point #2: A year or two ago Club Dirt said the same thing you said about record high in corporate profits. I've noticed libs use that exact term all the time. It's like you guys are on a conference call every day to go over your talking points. THE FACT IS I called him out on this by noting every year libs say "record high in corporate profits." It's a liberals way of saying "spread the wealth." Next year you will be saying the same thing. Can you point to a year where corporate profits were not at an all time high and you said we really need to give those corporations a break?
 
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In 1980s wages were lower but so were housing prices. You could get a $200,000 house todays prices for $80,000 or less.

Raising wages doesn't give you the benefit you desire.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

In 1980s wages were lower but so were housing prices. You could get a $200,000 house todays prices for $80,000 or less.

Raising wages doesn't give you the benefit you desire.


The rise in housing prices had nothing to do with wages. Wages must keep up with inflation,.  House prices rose because of unregulated market, 

You had flippers, you had bank loan deception to get unqualified people in those houses. You had unscrupulous stock market manipulators, you had unethical realtors., contractors, etc.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

The rise in housing prices had nothing to do with wages. Wages must keep up with inflation,.  House prices rose because of unregulated market, 

You had flippers, you had bank loan deception to get unqualified people in those houses. You had unscrupulous stock market manipulators, you had unethical realtors., contractors, etc.



Raising wages artificially (govt mandated min wage hikes) will cause inflation.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:



Raising wages artificially (govt mandated min wage hikes) will cause inflation.

 

Wrong, as usual.  The cause of inflation is national debt.  Wars without extra taxes. Catastrophic events without extra taxes, Government mismanagement etc. .....  Wages simply try to keep up.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

 

Wrong, as usual.  The cause of inflation is national debt.  Wars without extra taxes. Catastrophic events without extra taxes, Government mismanagement etc. .....  Wages simply try to keep up.



I had LSU in the tourney while some of the experts had them on the bubble.


 
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So you go lucky, once, not in this case
 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

Quote Originally Posted by potter36:



See Don, here's the skinny.  If you don't understand, it's because you can't comprehend. I only say that in response to the way responded to my question to you (again that has been asked several times in the past). You can try to condescend on me all you want, but everyone on here can read my post and your response and make their own judgement as to that.

WSC, who I don't often agree with, b t can at least respect what he says and step back and learn from his perspective, somehow answered previously, what you said was incoherent.  

Your answer...."Because they would be doing the opposite of what they were hired to do!".......I hope is only a joke.

I'm trying to be respectful but I really don't know a simpler way to ask it.  Do you really not get it?

IF UNIONS KNOW BETTER, HOW TO RUN A COMPANY, WHY NOT START......AND RUN THEIR OWN COMPANY?

Free of corporate influence, they should be able create, from cradle to grave, a better mousetrap (i.e.  more fair and better performing company).  

I have tried to straight to the point (and with proper grammar).  I respectfully await your answer.



 
Pots36.   I like your writing much better,  easier to read, thank you. Now you're learning, Soon you'll learn that unions are on your side, the middle class, which I am sure you are included.
The problem is that your head is soft. What I say goes in one ear and out the other.
Try again and Re-read my WHOLE answer, then get back to me.


Again, you refuse to answer the straight forward question I asked. I do understand why though. Let me tell you about my head. It has started and sold a few small businesses. Now i work for myself. I negotiate my own contracts. I believe if people want to belong to a union they should. If they don't I believe they deserve that right as well. I also believe unions don't even come close to serving the same purpose they used to and now are primarilly a shake down for the higher ups. Still waiting for an answer to that question. Now at least the 4th time I've asked it.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

The rise in housing prices had nothing to do with wages. Wages must keep up with inflation,.  House prices rose because of unregulated market, 

You had flippers, you had bank loan deception to get unqualified people in those houses. You had unscrupulous stock market manipulators, you had unethical realtors., contractors, etc.



Speaking of home values...Obama ,Holder,Sharpton and the MSM did a number on Ferguson home values..with the Michael Brown lie.

Since the protests began in August, an average home that sold for $66,764 in 2014 is now selling for just $36,68...almost a 50% drop.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



Speaking of home values...Obama ,Holder,Sharpton and the MSM did a number on Ferguson home values..with the Michael Brown lie.

Since the protests began in August, an average home that sold for $66,764 in 2014 is now selling for just $36,68...almost a 50% drop.

 

One cannot have a serious dialogue with you... You're too flaky.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

One cannot have a serious dialogue with you... You're too flaky.

After the two Ferguson police officers were shot ..we now know what Obama meant last Nov. when he told the protesters to " stay the course" ...and you tell us Obama is trying to bringing people together....Now that sounds like flakey to me.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

The fact is that when unions are stronger the economy as a whole does better. Unions restore demand to an economy by raising wages for their members and putting more purchasing power to work, enabling more hiring. On the flip side, when labor is weak and capital unconstrained, corporations hoard, hiring slows, and inequality deepens. Thus we have today both record highs in corporate profits and record lows in wages.


Hey now, stop bad mouthing the last 6 years.  This is destroying don juan's talking points.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

The fact is that when unions are stronger the economy as a whole does better. Unions restore demand to an economy by raising wages for their members and putting more purchasing power to work, enabling more hiring. On the flip side, when labor is weak and capital unconstrained, corporations hoard, hiring slows, and inequality deepens. Thus we have today both record highs in corporate profits and record lows in wages.


None of that makes any sense.

When labor is strong companies hire more?

When labor is weak hiring slows?

WTF?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

The fact is that when unions are stronger the economy as a whole does better. Unions restore demand to an economy by raising wages for their members and putting more purchasing power to work, enabling more hiring. On the flip side, when labor is weak and capital unconstrained, corporations hoard, hiring slows, and inequality deepens. Thus we have today both record highs in corporate profits and record lows in wages.


Ever heard of a place called Detroit?

Labor used to be really strong there. At least thats what my granpa told me.

People making 50/hr didn't last long did it?
 
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Ever heard of a place called Detroit?

Labor used to be really strong there. At least thats what my granpa told me.

People making 50/hr didn't last long did it?

That's because is grandson voted for the party that loved Japanese, now Chinese products to the market, employing a billion Chinese instead of 300 million American's  ahsol.

 
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I don't know of a company in Detroit that failed because of a union. Does anyone know what he's talking about? 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

That's because is grandson voted for the party that loved Japanese, now Chinese products to the market, employing a billion Chinese instead of 300 million American's  ahsol.


His grandson is one smart dude. Japanese take more pride in finished product and aren't nearly as greedy.

Union workers are more worried about how comfy their nap spot will be so they can catch up on sleep they missed out on the night before.

Japanese don't have nearly the union red tape.

His grandson owns a Honda and a Mitsubishi and is very proud of that decision based on circumstances.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


His grandson is one smart dude. Japanese take more pride in finished product and aren't nearly as greedy.

Union workers are more worried about how comfy their nap spot will be so they can catch up on sleep they missed out on the night before.

Japanese don't have nearly the union red tape.

His grandson owns a Honda and a Mitsubishi and is very proud of that decision based on circumstances.

 

I was referring to your Grandfather's Grandson. YOU

 
 
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