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    Steven Miller calls ICU nurse Alex Pretti a ASSASSIN AND DOMESTIC TERRORIST

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    BigGame90
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2026 - 12:26 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: On a serious note, it is pretty irreprehensible for multiple people in the admin stating that "Pretti approached ICE agents with a firearm".  They know damn well the firearm was concealed and only during the confrontation was it exposed and removed by the ICE agent just before the shooting occurred.   Not cool when they get "cute" with their words.  This is government at its' finest.  You guys can cry all you want over left / right BS issues to get divided on but at the end of the day we are ruled by one party, and that is the Uniparty.  The American Oligarchy is alive and well.  The Country would be much better off if more people realized this.Agreed, he was not approaching them with a brandished weapon....As I stated the other day, the agent panicked when he saw the gun during the tussle....it's a shame he was shot and killed, but man I just wish these people would stay as far away from these agents instead of interjecting themselves into the scenes....this wouldn't even be a talking point if people would stop following them around...doesn't give the agent a right to shoot him, but I do understand that split second rationale is in play here if indeed he was in fear for his life...that cannot be discounted...if it were any of us, who knows what we would do....   Whole thing is unfortunate

     

    Almost everyone wants this to be true but it appears there are some that keep pushing for interjection and there are some that do not try to refute that message and actually encourage it. So until that stops, your statement may never be true.  

     

    Monday morning quarterbacks want to claim they knew what to do during the situation and they'll yell it really loud, repeatedly until it becomes an echo chamber. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: On a serious note, it is pretty irreprehensible for multiple people in the admin stating that "Pretti approached ICE agents with a firearm".  They know damn well the firearm was concealed and only during the confrontation was it exposed and removed by the ICE agent just before the shooting occurred.   Not cool when they get "cute" with their words.  This is government at its' finest.  You guys can cry all you want over left / right BS issues to get divided on but at the end of the day we are ruled by one party, and that is the Uniparty.  The American Oligarchy is alive and well.  The Country would be much better off if more people realized this.Agreed, he was not approaching them with a brandished weapon....As I stated the other day, the agent panicked when he saw the gun during the tussle....it's a shame he was shot and killed, but man I just wish these people would stay as far away from these agents instead of interjecting themselves into the scenes....this wouldn't even be a talking point if people would stop following them around...doesn't give the agent a right to shoot him, but I do understand that split second rationale is in play here if indeed he was in fear for his life...that cannot be discounted...if it were any of us, who knows what we would do....   Whole thing is unfortunate

     

    Almost everyone wants this to be true but it appears there are some that keep pushing for interjection and there are some that do not try to refute that message and actually encourage it. So until that stops, your statement may never be true.  

     

    Monday morning quarterbacks want to claim they knew what to do during the situation and they'll yell it really loud, repeatedly until it becomes an echo chamber. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2026 - 12:26 PM ET #27

    @BigGame90

     Yes, they ALL do it.  Its BS either way.  The average general pop sheep is too low IQ and/or lazy to know any better.  The "narrative" is what becomes "truth" even when it is factually and objectively false.  This is seen every day in media, especially the mainstream legacy media. 

    No different than this sub forum, which is just an extension of the same flow of information as above peace_5

    Time is a flat circle....
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    @BigGame90

     Yes, they ALL do it.  Its BS either way.  The average general pop sheep is too low IQ and/or lazy to know any better.  The "narrative" is what becomes "truth" even when it is factually and objectively false.  This is seen every day in media, especially the mainstream legacy media. 

    No different than this sub forum, which is just an extension of the same flow of information as above peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2026 - 12:29 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Sorry but the advice to stay away from these ice agents is wrong on so many levels. If people stay away from these people and dont confront their evil deeds, then all thats gonna happen is they will become even bolder. Like every revolution that has happened in the world to stop crazy dictators and wanna be dictators, the people have to not be afraid to get in there and push back, cause if we dont push back, then all of us should just start wearing are underwear backwards so trump and his goons can have easy access. Like i said before there are doers in life and there are followers in life. Not everybody wants to be a doer, cause they are too afraid of upsetting their comfy lives. And on another note, to prove that these Ice bullshit isnt about getting the really bad illegals out of the country is the fact that the trump admin said they would leave minny if the state turned over the voter roll info, lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. I have zero problem with any admin going after the bad illegals we have here, but the truth is, this does not have to be the most pressing issue in our country, our country isnt crumbling and gonna vanish because of illegals being here. So take your time, go after the bad guys and get it right. By the way i have carried an extra clip sometimes and even in NY state we can carry more then 1 clip. I know lots of gun owners that carry more then 1 clip.  So Rush needs to stop trying to make it sound like the guy was carrying them because he had bad intentions just because he had extra clips on him., thats rush trying to create what he thought the guy was gonna do with those clips, just to fit his narrative, I thought magas were all about the 2nd Amendment, which Pretti was doing.  Lot of hypocrites p.s. in minny you can carry extra clips on you as long as your hand gun is legal

     

    Ok, I can no longer read your comments. This is the exact reason why these people have lost their lives. You can protest without interfering. Common sense is seriously lost. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Sorry but the advice to stay away from these ice agents is wrong on so many levels. If people stay away from these people and dont confront their evil deeds, then all thats gonna happen is they will become even bolder. Like every revolution that has happened in the world to stop crazy dictators and wanna be dictators, the people have to not be afraid to get in there and push back, cause if we dont push back, then all of us should just start wearing are underwear backwards so trump and his goons can have easy access. Like i said before there are doers in life and there are followers in life. Not everybody wants to be a doer, cause they are too afraid of upsetting their comfy lives. And on another note, to prove that these Ice bullshit isnt about getting the really bad illegals out of the country is the fact that the trump admin said they would leave minny if the state turned over the voter roll info, lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. I have zero problem with any admin going after the bad illegals we have here, but the truth is, this does not have to be the most pressing issue in our country, our country isnt crumbling and gonna vanish because of illegals being here. So take your time, go after the bad guys and get it right. By the way i have carried an extra clip sometimes and even in NY state we can carry more then 1 clip. I know lots of gun owners that carry more then 1 clip.  So Rush needs to stop trying to make it sound like the guy was carrying them because he had bad intentions just because he had extra clips on him., thats rush trying to create what he thought the guy was gonna do with those clips, just to fit his narrative, I thought magas were all about the 2nd Amendment, which Pretti was doing.  Lot of hypocrites p.s. in minny you can carry extra clips on you as long as your hand gun is legal

     

    Ok, I can no longer read your comments. This is the exact reason why these people have lost their lives. You can protest without interfering. Common sense is seriously lost. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2026 - 12:34 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I dont see any deflection or rationalization in this instance or any really. True LE reps are trained completely differently than these idiot border agents who have no place being there.  A citizen should never fear interaction with a LE agent and I have to say most all these goons that Trump is using scares the crap out of me. My LE long term friend I am not in fear of and I know 100% that he is not like these guys and he knows how to handle a situation worse than these and not put the lives of citizens at risk. There was another video of more of these intimidation morons harassing a black citizen based on his accent and his color, these border/ICE agents are targeting and are profiling and this is disgusting behavior the way they tried to intimidate and find ways to arrest him as he legally inquired and interacted with them. This Trump deportation agenda has turned into a brown color interrogation circus, even in the metro area I live these guys are starting to target businesses in a widespread search for what they consider as illegals to deport. I do not see how any of these actions are making this country better and never should a citizen feel unable to enter general society in fear of out of control armed white guys with face coverings trying to intimidate and harass.

     

    So what about true training from the local PD? Where were they? Were they told to stand down and not cooperate with ICE? Who's decision was that?  

    ICE has a duty to perform a task. If local PD is not going to assist, which they are trained and paid by the public to do, you leave ICE in a backs against the wall situation. Now mix in an unruly crowd and you can easily create a hostile situation provoked by agitators. Again, use common sense when around LE. 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I dont see any deflection or rationalization in this instance or any really. True LE reps are trained completely differently than these idiot border agents who have no place being there.  A citizen should never fear interaction with a LE agent and I have to say most all these goons that Trump is using scares the crap out of me. My LE long term friend I am not in fear of and I know 100% that he is not like these guys and he knows how to handle a situation worse than these and not put the lives of citizens at risk. There was another video of more of these intimidation morons harassing a black citizen based on his accent and his color, these border/ICE agents are targeting and are profiling and this is disgusting behavior the way they tried to intimidate and find ways to arrest him as he legally inquired and interacted with them. This Trump deportation agenda has turned into a brown color interrogation circus, even in the metro area I live these guys are starting to target businesses in a widespread search for what they consider as illegals to deport. I do not see how any of these actions are making this country better and never should a citizen feel unable to enter general society in fear of out of control armed white guys with face coverings trying to intimidate and harass.

     

    So what about true training from the local PD? Where were they? Were they told to stand down and not cooperate with ICE? Who's decision was that?  

    ICE has a duty to perform a task. If local PD is not going to assist, which they are trained and paid by the public to do, you leave ICE in a backs against the wall situation. Now mix in an unruly crowd and you can easily create a hostile situation provoked by agitators. Again, use common sense when around LE. 

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2026 - 12:38 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    @BigGame90  Yes, they ALL do it.  Its BS either way.  The average general pop sheep is too low IQ and/or lazy to know any better.  The "narrative" is what becomes "truth" even when it is factually and objectively false.  This is seen every day in media, especially the mainstream legacy media.  No different than this sub forum, which is just an extension of the same flow of information as above

     

    And they count for >50% of the votes. an_light Yikes 

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    @BigGame90  Yes, they ALL do it.  Its BS either way.  The average general pop sheep is too low IQ and/or lazy to know any better.  The "narrative" is what becomes "truth" even when it is factually and objectively false.  This is seen every day in media, especially the mainstream legacy media.  No different than this sub forum, which is just an extension of the same flow of information as above

     

    And they count for >50% of the votes. an_light Yikes 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2026 - 3:18 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329: Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: On a serious note, it is pretty irreprehensible for multiple people in the admin stating that "Pretti approached ICE agents with a firearm".  They know damn well the firearm was concealed and only during the confrontation was it exposed and removed by the ICE agent just before the shooting occurred.   Not cool when they get "cute" with their words.  This is government at its' finest.  You guys can cry all you want over left / right BS issues to get divided on but at the end of the day we are ruled by one party, and that is the Uniparty.  The American Oligarchy is alive and well.  The Country would be much better off if more people realized this. Now thats a post i will say well done and give you props on for your honesty. All i want is for both sides to tell the truth. My eyes and ears dont lie to me.3   I laughed right here. Bro, you've got so much hate for the right you want them to lie more so you can post more.  All I see is unhinged when I come across your posts.

     

    Heres a news flash for you, until trump got into politics i really didnt care much, because republicans and democrats worked things out. Who i hate with every bone in my body is trump and all the brain dead people that follow this dirt bag like hes a God.  I truly dislike awful nasty vile people and trump is at the top of my list.  I have hated trump since he was a democrat, before he changed to republican cause he knew he could get all the brain dead folks to vote for him. Trump long time democrat hanging with the hollywood people, so when you look in the mirror, you will see a person who got fooled by a NY STATE con artist.  Yup a slick northerner got all you southern boys. Trump screwed over so many people in my state, including some contractor friends, so please dont tell me who am allowed to hate in my life. Not unhinged, just cant stand him and his maga moron cult members, just like they hate me for not being vile like they are.

    I side with good, magas side with evil. Like all those fake religious right people who back a guy whos best buddies was the countries biggest pedophiles if not the world. This is the kind of guy, you cheer for everyday.  So before you call somebody unhinged go look in the mirror at yourself and think about the awful guy you back that you probably have a picture of in your wallet.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329: Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: On a serious note, it is pretty irreprehensible for multiple people in the admin stating that "Pretti approached ICE agents with a firearm".  They know damn well the firearm was concealed and only during the confrontation was it exposed and removed by the ICE agent just before the shooting occurred.   Not cool when they get "cute" with their words.  This is government at its' finest.  You guys can cry all you want over left / right BS issues to get divided on but at the end of the day we are ruled by one party, and that is the Uniparty.  The American Oligarchy is alive and well.  The Country would be much better off if more people realized this. Now thats a post i will say well done and give you props on for your honesty. All i want is for both sides to tell the truth. My eyes and ears dont lie to me.3   I laughed right here. Bro, you've got so much hate for the right you want them to lie more so you can post more.  All I see is unhinged when I come across your posts.

     

    Heres a news flash for you, until trump got into politics i really didnt care much, because republicans and democrats worked things out. Who i hate with every bone in my body is trump and all the brain dead people that follow this dirt bag like hes a God.  I truly dislike awful nasty vile people and trump is at the top of my list.  I have hated trump since he was a democrat, before he changed to republican cause he knew he could get all the brain dead folks to vote for him. Trump long time democrat hanging with the hollywood people, so when you look in the mirror, you will see a person who got fooled by a NY STATE con artist.  Yup a slick northerner got all you southern boys. Trump screwed over so many people in my state, including some contractor friends, so please dont tell me who am allowed to hate in my life. Not unhinged, just cant stand him and his maga moron cult members, just like they hate me for not being vile like they are.

    I side with good, magas side with evil. Like all those fake religious right people who back a guy whos best buddies was the countries biggest pedophiles if not the world. This is the kind of guy, you cheer for everyday.  So before you call somebody unhinged go look in the mirror at yourself and think about the awful guy you back that you probably have a picture of in your wallet.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2026 - 3:22 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: On a serious note, it is pretty irreprehensible for multiple people in the admin stating that "Pretti approached ICE agents with a firearm".  They know damn well the firearm was concealed and only during the confrontation was it exposed and removed by the ICE agent just before the shooting occurred.   Not cool when they get "cute" with their words.  This is government at its' finest.  You guys can cry all you want over left / right BS issues to get divided on but at the end of the day we are ruled by one party, and that is the Uniparty.  The American Oligarchy is alive and well.  The Country would be much better off if more people realized this.   I'm not a CCL or CCW and am not familiar with the full extent of the laws, but is carrying  and extra magazine necessary when carrying while canceling? How many times would a CCL or CCW need a second clip before authority were to show up and handle the situation?

     

    Learn gun laws before talking about gun laws. Lots of legal gun owners carry more then 1 clip, so really stop trying to spin BS to fit your own narrative.

    BIGGEST REASON Reliability and to make sure if something did happen, you have enough bullets. You cant call timeout and go home to get more bullets. All your assumptions are wrong, so really stop trying to twist the guy carrying extra clips into something its not. Millions across the country do the same thing every day, especially in states like NY where you can only have 10 bullets in your clip. 10 bullets dont last long. Look at how many bullets they unloaded on Pretti, which was 10.  Gotta love how you assume law enforcement will always show up in seconds to take over the scence lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: On a serious note, it is pretty irreprehensible for multiple people in the admin stating that "Pretti approached ICE agents with a firearm".  They know damn well the firearm was concealed and only during the confrontation was it exposed and removed by the ICE agent just before the shooting occurred.   Not cool when they get "cute" with their words.  This is government at its' finest.  You guys can cry all you want over left / right BS issues to get divided on but at the end of the day we are ruled by one party, and that is the Uniparty.  The American Oligarchy is alive and well.  The Country would be much better off if more people realized this.   I'm not a CCL or CCW and am not familiar with the full extent of the laws, but is carrying  and extra magazine necessary when carrying while canceling? How many times would a CCL or CCW need a second clip before authority were to show up and handle the situation?

     

    Learn gun laws before talking about gun laws. Lots of legal gun owners carry more then 1 clip, so really stop trying to spin BS to fit your own narrative.

    BIGGEST REASON Reliability and to make sure if something did happen, you have enough bullets. You cant call timeout and go home to get more bullets. All your assumptions are wrong, so really stop trying to twist the guy carrying extra clips into something its not. Millions across the country do the same thing every day, especially in states like NY where you can only have 10 bullets in your clip. 10 bullets dont last long. Look at how many bullets they unloaded on Pretti, which was 10.  Gotta love how you assume law enforcement will always show up in seconds to take over the scence lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2026 - 3:38 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329: Sorry but the advice to stay away from these ice agents is wrong on so many levels. If people stay away from these people and dont confront their evil deeds, then all thats gonna happen is they will become even bolder. Like every revolution that has happened in the world to stop crazy dictators and wanna be dictators, the people have to not be afraid to get in there and push back, cause if we dont push back, then all of us should just start wearing are underwear backwards so trump and his goons can have easy access. Like i said before there are doers in life and there are followers in life. Not everybody wants to be a doer, cause they are too afraid of upsetting their comfy lives. And on another note, to prove that these Ice bullshit isnt about getting the really bad illegals out of the country is the fact that the trump admin said they would leave minny if the state turned over the voter roll info, lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. I have zero problem with any admin going after the bad illegals we have here, but the truth is, this does not have to be the most pressing issue in our country, our country isnt crumbling and gonna vanish because of illegals being here. So take your time, go after the bad guys and get it right. By the way i have carried an extra clip sometimes and even in NY state we can carry more then 1 clip. I know lots of gun owners that carry more then 1 clip.  So Rush needs to stop trying to make it sound like the guy was carrying them because he had bad intentions just because he had extra clips on him., thats rush trying to create what he thought the guy was gonna do with those clips, just to fit his narrative, I thought magas were all about the 2nd Amendment, which Pretti was doing.  Lot of hypocrites p.s. in minny you can carry extra clips on you as long as your hand gun is legal   Ok, I can no longer read your comments. This is the exact reason why these people have lost their lives. You can protest without interfering. Common sense is seriously lost.

    Thats some of the best news i have heard in awhile, but i know its just another maga fibbing, because you still keep responding to my posts, so you must be reading theman_roll_laugh

    I have said many times, my posts are for fellow posters who have the same opinions about trump and his cult members. I actually hope no maga responds to my posts, that way i dont have to correct all their totally wrong facts about everything. Its like if i was out having lunch with some friends and talking about trump, so posting here is like that. I wish covers had the block button, so would never see the maga cults posts. Your like the gamblers on here that say they are quitting gambling and then they are back the next day posting. So i will just say, see you over in my next post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329: Sorry but the advice to stay away from these ice agents is wrong on so many levels. If people stay away from these people and dont confront their evil deeds, then all thats gonna happen is they will become even bolder. Like every revolution that has happened in the world to stop crazy dictators and wanna be dictators, the people have to not be afraid to get in there and push back, cause if we dont push back, then all of us should just start wearing are underwear backwards so trump and his goons can have easy access. Like i said before there are doers in life and there are followers in life. Not everybody wants to be a doer, cause they are too afraid of upsetting their comfy lives. And on another note, to prove that these Ice bullshit isnt about getting the really bad illegals out of the country is the fact that the trump admin said they would leave minny if the state turned over the voter roll info, lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. I have zero problem with any admin going after the bad illegals we have here, but the truth is, this does not have to be the most pressing issue in our country, our country isnt crumbling and gonna vanish because of illegals being here. So take your time, go after the bad guys and get it right. By the way i have carried an extra clip sometimes and even in NY state we can carry more then 1 clip. I know lots of gun owners that carry more then 1 clip.  So Rush needs to stop trying to make it sound like the guy was carrying them because he had bad intentions just because he had extra clips on him., thats rush trying to create what he thought the guy was gonna do with those clips, just to fit his narrative, I thought magas were all about the 2nd Amendment, which Pretti was doing.  Lot of hypocrites p.s. in minny you can carry extra clips on you as long as your hand gun is legal   Ok, I can no longer read your comments. This is the exact reason why these people have lost their lives. You can protest without interfering. Common sense is seriously lost.

    Thats some of the best news i have heard in awhile, but i know its just another maga fibbing, because you still keep responding to my posts, so you must be reading theman_roll_laugh

    I have said many times, my posts are for fellow posters who have the same opinions about trump and his cult members. I actually hope no maga responds to my posts, that way i dont have to correct all their totally wrong facts about everything. Its like if i was out having lunch with some friends and talking about trump, so posting here is like that. I wish covers had the block button, so would never see the maga cults posts. Your like the gamblers on here that say they are quitting gambling and then they are back the next day posting. So i will just say, see you over in my next post.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2026 - 3:48 PM ET #34

    Honestly when the govt called Pretti an assassin magas didnt come out and say that was bullshit.

    Trained assassins or hit men dont come to where tons of people are to get into a gun fight, since assassins want to kill and go back home. And also no assassin is gonna come to a gun fight with tons of law enforcement with assault rifles while they have a hand gun an_roll_laugh

    This is just flat out common sense and even a maga that didnt finish school should be able to realize this.

    If Pretti was an assassin, pretti would still be alive and there would be a bunch of dead agaents.

    COMMON SENSE FOLKS THATS WHY GOD, I MEAN TRUMP GAVE US BRAINSan_light

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    Honestly when the govt called Pretti an assassin magas didnt come out and say that was bullshit.

    Trained assassins or hit men dont come to where tons of people are to get into a gun fight, since assassins want to kill and go back home. And also no assassin is gonna come to a gun fight with tons of law enforcement with assault rifles while they have a hand gun an_roll_laugh

    This is just flat out common sense and even a maga that didnt finish school should be able to realize this.

    If Pretti was an assassin, pretti would still be alive and there would be a bunch of dead agaents.

    COMMON SENSE FOLKS THATS WHY GOD, I MEAN TRUMP GAVE US BRAINSan_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

       So what about true training from the local PD? Where were they? Were they told to stand down and not cooperate with ICE? Who's decision was that?   ICE has a duty to perform a task. If local PD is not going to assist, which they are trained and paid by the public to do, you leave ICE in a backs against the wall situation. Now mix in an unruly crowd and you can easily create a hostile situation provoked by agitators.

    In sanctuary cities, ICE agents are not prevented from arresting illegal immigrants.  Courts determined that police in states have no legal obligation to help federal government do its job because of constitutional separation of powers.  In previous administrations, ICE was less controversial.  Key difference is that past ICE quietly and selectively arrest illegal immigrants especially at south border.  However ICE agents are now pressured to maximize arrests in crude immigration raids harassing everyone everywhere.  For examples, public areas such as stores, streets, courts, schools and hospitals.  Polls show most Americans think ICE has gone too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

       So what about true training from the local PD? Where were they? Were they told to stand down and not cooperate with ICE? Who's decision was that?   ICE has a duty to perform a task. If local PD is not going to assist, which they are trained and paid by the public to do, you leave ICE in a backs against the wall situation. Now mix in an unruly crowd and you can easily create a hostile situation provoked by agitators.

    In sanctuary cities, ICE agents are not prevented from arresting illegal immigrants.  Courts determined that police in states have no legal obligation to help federal government do its job because of constitutional separation of powers.  In previous administrations, ICE was less controversial.  Key difference is that past ICE quietly and selectively arrest illegal immigrants especially at south border.  However ICE agents are now pressured to maximize arrests in crude immigration raids harassing everyone everywhere.  For examples, public areas such as stores, streets, courts, schools and hospitals.  Polls show most Americans think ICE has gone too far.

     
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    @BigGame90

     

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: On a serious note, it is pretty irreprehensible for multiple people in the admin stating that "Pretti approached ICE agents with a firearm".  They know damn well the firearm was concealed and only during the confrontation was it exposed and removed by the ICE agent just before the shooting occurred.   Not cool when they get "cute" with their words.  This is government at its' finest.  You guys can cry all you want over left / right BS issues to get divided on but at the end of the day we are ruled by one party, and that is the Uniparty.  The American Oligarchy is alive and well.  The Country would be much better off if more people realized this.   I'm not a CCL or CCW and am not familiar with the full extent of the laws, but is carrying  and extra magazine necessary when carrying while canceling? How many times would a CCL or CCW need a second clip before authority were to show up and handle the situation?

    It depends on the person.  In very strict states where your magazine count is low (<10ish), having 1-2 extra mags makes sense.  If you have a 15+ round mag, maybe one extra tops.  If you are in a situation that has multiple attackers, you sure as hell don't want to run out of ammo.  Better to be prepared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: On a serious note, it is pretty irreprehensible for multiple people in the admin stating that "Pretti approached ICE agents with a firearm".  They know damn well the firearm was concealed and only during the confrontation was it exposed and removed by the ICE agent just before the shooting occurred.   Not cool when they get "cute" with their words.  This is government at its' finest.  You guys can cry all you want over left / right BS issues to get divided on but at the end of the day we are ruled by one party, and that is the Uniparty.  The American Oligarchy is alive and well.  The Country would be much better off if more people realized this.   I'm not a CCL or CCW and am not familiar with the full extent of the laws, but is carrying  and extra magazine necessary when carrying while canceling? How many times would a CCL or CCW need a second clip before authority were to show up and handle the situation?

    It depends on the person.  In very strict states where your magazine count is low (<10ish), having 1-2 extra mags makes sense.  If you have a 15+ round mag, maybe one extra tops.  If you are in a situation that has multiple attackers, you sure as hell don't want to run out of ammo.  Better to be prepared.

     
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     Never run out of ammo.

    It's a cardinal rule.

     

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    @kagakuotoko

     Never run out of ammo.

    It's a cardinal rule.

     

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by BigGame90]Quote Originally Posted by cd329: Sorry but the advice to stay away from these ice agents is wrong on so many levels. If people stay away from these people and dont confront their evil deeds, then all thats gonna happen is they will become even bolder. Like every revolution that has happened in the world to stop crazy dictators and wanna be dictators, the people have to not be afraid to get in there and push back, cause if we dont push back, then all of us should just start wearing are underwear backwards so trump and his goons can have easy access. Like i said before there are doers in life and there are followers in life. Not everybody wants to be a doer, cause they are too afraid of upsetting their comfy lives. And on another note, to prove that these Ice bullshit isnt about getting the really bad illegals out of the country is the fact that the trump admin said they would leave minny if the state turned over the voter roll info, lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. I have zero problem with any admin going after the bad illegals we have here, but the truth is, this does not have to be the most pressing issue in our country, our country isnt crumbling and gonna vanish because of illegals being here. So take your time, go after the bad guys and get it right. By the way i have carried an extra clip sometimes and even in NY state we can carry more then 1 clip. I know lots of gun owners that carry more then 1 clip.  So Rush needs to stop trying to make it sound like the guy was carrying them because he had bad intentions just because he had extra clips on him., thats rush trying to create what he thought the guy was gonna do with those clips, just to fit his narrative, I thought magas were all about the 2nd Amendment, which Pretti was doing.  Lot of hypocrites p.s. in minny you can carry extra clips on you as long as your hand gun is legal   Ok, I can no longer read your comments. This is the exact reason why these people have lost their lives. You can protest without interfering. Common sense is seriously lost.[/Quote]

     

    100% .  It seems like common sense,... but the left just doesn't get it, particularly this guy CD 

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by BigGame90]Quote Originally Posted by cd329: Sorry but the advice to stay away from these ice agents is wrong on so many levels. If people stay away from these people and dont confront their evil deeds, then all thats gonna happen is they will become even bolder. Like every revolution that has happened in the world to stop crazy dictators and wanna be dictators, the people have to not be afraid to get in there and push back, cause if we dont push back, then all of us should just start wearing are underwear backwards so trump and his goons can have easy access. Like i said before there are doers in life and there are followers in life. Not everybody wants to be a doer, cause they are too afraid of upsetting their comfy lives. And on another note, to prove that these Ice bullshit isnt about getting the really bad illegals out of the country is the fact that the trump admin said they would leave minny if the state turned over the voter roll info, lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. I have zero problem with any admin going after the bad illegals we have here, but the truth is, this does not have to be the most pressing issue in our country, our country isnt crumbling and gonna vanish because of illegals being here. So take your time, go after the bad guys and get it right. By the way i have carried an extra clip sometimes and even in NY state we can carry more then 1 clip. I know lots of gun owners that carry more then 1 clip.  So Rush needs to stop trying to make it sound like the guy was carrying them because he had bad intentions just because he had extra clips on him., thats rush trying to create what he thought the guy was gonna do with those clips, just to fit his narrative, I thought magas were all about the 2nd Amendment, which Pretti was doing.  Lot of hypocrites p.s. in minny you can carry extra clips on you as long as your hand gun is legal   Ok, I can no longer read your comments. This is the exact reason why these people have lost their lives. You can protest without interfering. Common sense is seriously lost.[/Quote]

     

    100% .  It seems like common sense,... but the left just doesn't get it, particularly this guy CD 

     
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     What is the purpose for post #38 and to someone who you obviously cannot converse with and be reasonable?

    The left has the same common sense as the right does I see zero reason for inane obtuse comments like this. Your side is no different than their side or any side, we as people are pretty much the same and being in one political party does not give or take away common sense. Does saying really partisan things like this make you feel better about yourself?

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    @Rush51

     What is the purpose for post #38 and to someone who you obviously cannot converse with and be reasonable?

    The left has the same common sense as the right does I see zero reason for inane obtuse comments like this. Your side is no different than their side or any side, we as people are pretty much the same and being in one political party does not give or take away common sense. Does saying really partisan things like this make you feel better about yourself?

     
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    Difference between me and the magas, is i dont care what they say about me and wont whine about their words, They on the other hand will cry and moan, if somebody posts something mean.

    Reason there words dont mean nothing, is cause i know am on the side of good and thats why i spent my whole career in a job helping people.

    So all i can say, like when we were kids "sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me"

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    Difference between me and the magas, is i dont care what they say about me and wont whine about their words, They on the other hand will cry and moan, if somebody posts something mean.

    Reason there words dont mean nothing, is cause i know am on the side of good and thats why i spent my whole career in a job helping people.

    So all i can say, like when we were kids "sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me"

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2026 - 1:05 AM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @kagakuotoko  Never run out of ammo. It's a cardinal rule.

    exactly. Its not like if you get caught up in some insane problem, you certainly cant call timeout and ask the other person if you can go back home to get some more bullets.paint_help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @kagakuotoko  Never run out of ammo. It's a cardinal rule.

    exactly. Its not like if you get caught up in some insane problem, you certainly cant call timeout and ask the other person if you can go back home to get some more bullets.paint_help

     
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    The well trained agents put 10 bullets into a guy that was on the ground. Thats flat out disgusting. At some point the people are gonna find out these agents are part of right wing militia groups.

    There was a doctor on the scene who wanted to see if he could help Pretti and agents wouldnt let him, cause they wanted to count how many bullets were pumped into himan_speechless

    I sure hope Pretti is able to haunt these people from beyond the grave.

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    The well trained agents put 10 bullets into a guy that was on the ground. Thats flat out disgusting. At some point the people are gonna find out these agents are part of right wing militia groups.

    There was a doctor on the scene who wanted to see if he could help Pretti and agents wouldnt let him, cause they wanted to count how many bullets were pumped into himan_speechless

    I sure hope Pretti is able to haunt these people from beyond the grave.

     
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    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2016150127698756076

    a friendly reminder that Pres. Barrack Hussein Obama awarded Tom Homan with a medal , merely 9 years ago 

     

    Bill Clinton / 12. Million Deportations / zero protests

    GW Bush / 10.3 Million Deportations / zero protests

    Barrack Obama / 5.3 Million Deportations / zero protests

    lets omit the Autopen Machine

    Donald J. Trump / 2 Million Deportations / 500 + protests / Riots 

     

     

     

    this is one of those moments where context changes the reaction , same person , same record ,very different headlines depending on the year it makes you wonder are people reacting to the policy or to who’s delivering it?

     

     

     

     

     

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    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2016150127698756076

    a friendly reminder that Pres. Barrack Hussein Obama awarded Tom Homan with a medal , merely 9 years ago 

     

    Bill Clinton / 12. Million Deportations / zero protests

    GW Bush / 10.3 Million Deportations / zero protests

    Barrack Obama / 5.3 Million Deportations / zero protests

    lets omit the Autopen Machine

    Donald J. Trump / 2 Million Deportations / 500 + protests / Riots 

     

     

     

    this is one of those moments where context changes the reaction , same person , same record ,very different headlines depending on the year it makes you wonder are people reacting to the policy or to who’s delivering it?

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Trump mass deportation is controversial and violates norms.  Move of ICE focus from distant border to public areas of cities.  Violation of civil rights such as home searches without judicial warrant.  Inappropriate ICE use of violence such as shootings and tear gas.   Racial profiling.  Arrests of US citizens and legal immigrants.   Family separation.  Children are detained.  Massive recruitment means many ICE agents are poorly trained.   Polls show most Americans disapprove of Trump handling of immigration.

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    Trump mass deportation is controversial and violates norms.  Move of ICE focus from distant border to public areas of cities.  Violation of civil rights such as home searches without judicial warrant.  Inappropriate ICE use of violence such as shootings and tear gas.   Racial profiling.  Arrests of US citizens and legal immigrants.   Family separation.  Children are detained.  Massive recruitment means many ICE agents are poorly trained.   Polls show most Americans disapprove of Trump handling of immigration.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:

    Bill Clinton / 12. Million Deportations / zero protests GW Bush / 10.3 Million Deportations / zero protests Barrack Obama / 5.3 Million Deportations / zero protests lets omit the Autopen Machine Donald J. Trump / 2 Million Deportations / 500 + protests / Riots     

    Under other presidents, ICE goal was law and order.  Under Trump, lawlessness and chaos.    Enforcement should be lawful, professional and targeted.  Not theatrical, indiscriminate  or cruel.  ICE is supposed to protect civil liberty, transparency and public safety.  Protests oppose ICE abuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:

    Bill Clinton / 12. Million Deportations / zero protests GW Bush / 10.3 Million Deportations / zero protests Barrack Obama / 5.3 Million Deportations / zero protests lets omit the Autopen Machine Donald J. Trump / 2 Million Deportations / 500 + protests / Riots     

    Under other presidents, ICE goal was law and order.  Under Trump, lawlessness and chaos.    Enforcement should be lawful, professional and targeted.  Not theatrical, indiscriminate  or cruel.  ICE is supposed to protect civil liberty, transparency and public safety.  Protests oppose ICE abuses.

     
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     Those are rookie numbers for Donnie T.  He better pump those numbers up, embarrassing when compared to our former Deporter In Chief, the War Criminal GW and President Bubba.  I would even question the 2mm being accurate... 

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     Those are rookie numbers for Donnie T.  He better pump those numbers up, embarrassing when compared to our former Deporter In Chief, the War Criminal GW and President Bubba.  I would even question the 2mm being accurate... 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2016150127698756076 a friendly reminder that Pres. Barrack Hussein Obama awarded Tom Homan with a medal , merely 9 years ago    Bill Clinton / 12. Million Deportations / zero protests GW Bush / 10.3 Million Deportations / zero protests Barrack Obama / 5.3 Million Deportations / zero protests lets omit the Autopen Machine Donald J. Trump / 2 Million Deportations / 500 + protests / Riots        this is one of those moments where context changes the reaction , same person , same record ,very different headlines depending on the year it makes you wonder are people reacting to the policy or to who’s delivering it?

     

     

    The Media is the master that drives the narrative...........and oh yeah, they hate Trump, too.  

    TDS...TDS... TDS... TDS.....    sleep2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2016150127698756076 a friendly reminder that Pres. Barrack Hussein Obama awarded Tom Homan with a medal , merely 9 years ago    Bill Clinton / 12. Million Deportations / zero protests GW Bush / 10.3 Million Deportations / zero protests Barrack Obama / 5.3 Million Deportations / zero protests lets omit the Autopen Machine Donald J. Trump / 2 Million Deportations / 500 + protests / Riots        this is one of those moments where context changes the reaction , same person , same record ,very different headlines depending on the year it makes you wonder are people reacting to the policy or to who’s delivering it?

     

     

    The Media is the master that drives the narrative...........and oh yeah, they hate Trump, too.  

    TDS...TDS... TDS... TDS.....    sleep2

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