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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 5:50 PM ET #51

    The Left does not want you to be safe Ask the father of Kate Steinle (sp?) Let me be the 1st to tell the libs in this thread and outside this thread. I am so glad your 8 year orgasm is over under Obama. It has to be extremely difficult recovering from the election of 16.
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    The Left does not want you to be safe Ask the father of Kate Steinle (sp?) Let me be the 1st to tell the libs in this thread and outside this thread. I am so glad your 8 year orgasm is over under Obama. It has to be extremely difficult recovering from the election of 16.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 7:10 PM ET #52

    if you research this guy's resume, the criminal contempt conviction is just the tip of the iceberg.  he's been sued for constitutional violations and been found to have abused his office, racial profiling, and other garbage for years.  and these are different courts and judges and agencies finding that he's done this.  if this is some big conspiracy theory, there must be a lot of different people involved. 

    also keep in mind criminal contempt means he failed to follow a court order.  the reason why there was a court order is because the court found that he was being illegally racist in the way he was doing his job.  the contempt is because he kept doing it after he was told to stop.  so, even if you believe the contempt conviction is some conspiracy theory, the order finding that he was a racist sheriff was already in place.  among other similar decisions.  unless all of those were "fixed" too. 
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    if you research this guy's resume, the criminal contempt conviction is just the tip of the iceberg.  he's been sued for constitutional violations and been found to have abused his office, racial profiling, and other garbage for years.  and these are different courts and judges and agencies finding that he's done this.  if this is some big conspiracy theory, there must be a lot of different people involved. 

    also keep in mind criminal contempt means he failed to follow a court order.  the reason why there was a court order is because the court found that he was being illegally racist in the way he was doing his job.  the contempt is because he kept doing it after he was told to stop.  so, even if you believe the contempt conviction is some conspiracy theory, the order finding that he was a racist sheriff was already in place.  among other similar decisions.  unless all of those were "fixed" too. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 7:56 PM ET #53

    Was he a racist before Obama and before sanctuary cities?
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    Was he a racist before Obama and before sanctuary cities?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 8:04 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    if you research this guy's resume, the criminal contempt conviction is just the tip of the iceberg.  he's been sued for constitutional violations and been found to have abused his office, racial profiling, and other garbage for years.  and these are different courts and judges and agencies finding that he's done this.  if this is some big conspiracy theory, there must be a lot of different people involved. 

    also keep in mind criminal contempt means he failed to follow a court order.  the reason why there was a court order is because the court found that he was being illegally racist in the way he was doing his job.  the contempt is because he kept doing it after he was told to stop.  so, even if you believe the contempt conviction is some conspiracy theory, the order finding that he was a racist sheriff was already in place.  among other similar decisions.  unless all of those were "fixed" too. 

    100% correct..

    The problem here is you are telling the truth to people who could care less and are not concerned about reality...only if Obama or Hillary did something worse or libs vs conservatives.

    Well said...you are correct of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    if you research this guy's resume, the criminal contempt conviction is just the tip of the iceberg.  he's been sued for constitutional violations and been found to have abused his office, racial profiling, and other garbage for years.  and these are different courts and judges and agencies finding that he's done this.  if this is some big conspiracy theory, there must be a lot of different people involved. 

    also keep in mind criminal contempt means he failed to follow a court order.  the reason why there was a court order is because the court found that he was being illegally racist in the way he was doing his job.  the contempt is because he kept doing it after he was told to stop.  so, even if you believe the contempt conviction is some conspiracy theory, the order finding that he was a racist sheriff was already in place.  among other similar decisions.  unless all of those were "fixed" too. 

    100% correct..

    The problem here is you are telling the truth to people who could care less and are not concerned about reality...only if Obama or Hillary did something worse or libs vs conservatives.

    Well said...you are correct of course.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 8:53 PM ET #55

    I just see it a lot differently. He apparently defied a court order and continued to racially profile in order to keep the citizens under his jurisdiction safe. I would never hold that against anybody. I believe that there are people that lived in his area of operation that agree with me.
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    I just see it a lot differently. He apparently defied a court order and continued to racially profile in order to keep the citizens under his jurisdiction safe. I would never hold that against anybody. I believe that there are people that lived in his area of operation that agree with me.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 9:20 PM ET #56

    ZELO. Help me. Start a thread about transgenders in the US military. i will start posting tomorrow night!
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    ZELO. Help me. Start a thread about transgenders in the US military. i will start posting tomorrow night!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 9:58 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    100% correct..

    The problem here is you are telling the truth to people who could care less and are not concerned about reality...only if Obama or Hillary did something worse or libs vs conservatives.

    Well said...you are correct of course.


    you probably know about all of these but look at this one.

    this guy is insane.  no wonder trump loves him. 

    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/a-phony-murder-plot-against-joe-arpaio-winds-up-costing-taxpayers-11-million-6629798
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    100% correct..

    The problem here is you are telling the truth to people who could care less and are not concerned about reality...only if Obama or Hillary did something worse or libs vs conservatives.

    Well said...you are correct of course.


    you probably know about all of these but look at this one.

    this guy is insane.  no wonder trump loves him. 

    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/a-phony-murder-plot-against-joe-arpaio-winds-up-costing-taxpayers-11-million-6629798
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 10:00 PM ET #58

     America's worst sheriff has been criticized by American civil liberty union and Amnesty international.  Arpaio has been accused of police misconduct, failure to investigate crimes, abuse of power, violation of election law and unlawful enforcement of immigration laws. 

    US justice department filed a lawsuit against Arpaio who oversaw the worst racial profiling in US history.  Courts found Arpaio illegally violated civil rights of innocent people.  He received a fair trial and justifiable conviction.  Arpaio should reimburse millions to taxpayers for his illegal behavior.

    No one should be above the law.  Pardoning Arpaio confirms that Trump lacks moral authority and doesn't respect the rule of law.  Afterall, he has a long history of legal problems.
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     America's worst sheriff has been criticized by American civil liberty union and Amnesty international.  Arpaio has been accused of police misconduct, failure to investigate crimes, abuse of power, violation of election law and unlawful enforcement of immigration laws. 

    US justice department filed a lawsuit against Arpaio who oversaw the worst racial profiling in US history.  Courts found Arpaio illegally violated civil rights of innocent people.  He received a fair trial and justifiable conviction.  Arpaio should reimburse millions to taxpayers for his illegal behavior.

    No one should be above the law.  Pardoning Arpaio confirms that Trump lacks moral authority and doesn't respect the rule of law.  Afterall, he has a long history of legal problems.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 10:59 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    you probably know about all of these but look at this one.

    this guy is insane.  no wonder trump loves him. 

    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/a-phony-murder-plot-against-joe-arpaio-winds-up-costing-taxpayers-11-million-6629798

    I had not seen that...of course there are so many I didnt really even want to keep track, he was that terrible.

    I doubt the right group would read that article but to me that is horrible...the guy sat in jail FOUR years because Arpaio's posse decided to frame him so Joe would get air time during an election cycle...

    That guy lost FOUR years of his life, you cannot get that back and to me 10 million isnt even enough for being put in jail for something you did not do all so Arpaio could get media time.

    There is no excuse for this, I dont see how anyone could think anything positive about Arpaio, unless they are oblivious to all the crimes and abuses he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    you probably know about all of these but look at this one.

    this guy is insane.  no wonder trump loves him. 

    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/a-phony-murder-plot-against-joe-arpaio-winds-up-costing-taxpayers-11-million-6629798

    I had not seen that...of course there are so many I didnt really even want to keep track, he was that terrible.

    I doubt the right group would read that article but to me that is horrible...the guy sat in jail FOUR years because Arpaio's posse decided to frame him so Joe would get air time during an election cycle...

    That guy lost FOUR years of his life, you cannot get that back and to me 10 million isnt even enough for being put in jail for something you did not do all so Arpaio could get media time.

    There is no excuse for this, I dont see how anyone could think anything positive about Arpaio, unless they are oblivious to all the crimes and abuses he did.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2017 - 1:55 AM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I just see it a lot differently. He apparently defied a court order and continued to racially profile in order to keep the citizens under his jurisdiction safe. I would never hold that against anybody. I believe that there are people that lived in his area of operation that agree with me.

    do you honestly believe that ?

    Joe Arpaio criminal conviction stemmed from a 2007 traffic stop in Maricopa County, Arizona, and the wrongful nine-hour detention of a Mexican man holding a valid tourist's visa. The man sued Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, alleging racial profiling by deputies working for Joe Arpaio.

    It took four years of depositions, hearings and motion for a federal judge in Phoenix,Arizona to enter a preliminary injunction against Arpaio and the sheriff's office, noting that "states do not have the inherent authority to enforce the civil provisions of federal immigration law." He ordered Arpaio to stop detaining anyone not suspected of a state or federal crime - simply being in the U.S. illegally is not a crime, only a civil violation.

    Between the December 2011 injunction  and  2016 , Arpaio wasn't abiding by the injunction according to two federal judges, in 2016, U.S. District Judge G. Murray Snow wrote that Arpaio made false statements about his department "in an attempt to obstruct any inquiry into their further wrongdoing or negligence," and that Arpaio and his chief deputy "have a history of obfuscation and subversion of this Court's orders that is as old as this case and did not stop after they themselves became the subjects of civil contempt."

    So after 21 days of hearings in 2015, Snow found Arpaio in civil contempt of court.

    Sundance  how did  the traffic stop and the resulting 8 hour detention make people safe ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I just see it a lot differently. He apparently defied a court order and continued to racially profile in order to keep the citizens under his jurisdiction safe. I would never hold that against anybody. I believe that there are people that lived in his area of operation that agree with me.

    do you honestly believe that ?

    Joe Arpaio criminal conviction stemmed from a 2007 traffic stop in Maricopa County, Arizona, and the wrongful nine-hour detention of a Mexican man holding a valid tourist's visa. The man sued Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, alleging racial profiling by deputies working for Joe Arpaio.

    It took four years of depositions, hearings and motion for a federal judge in Phoenix,Arizona to enter a preliminary injunction against Arpaio and the sheriff's office, noting that "states do not have the inherent authority to enforce the civil provisions of federal immigration law." He ordered Arpaio to stop detaining anyone not suspected of a state or federal crime - simply being in the U.S. illegally is not a crime, only a civil violation.

    Between the December 2011 injunction  and  2016 , Arpaio wasn't abiding by the injunction according to two federal judges, in 2016, U.S. District Judge G. Murray Snow wrote that Arpaio made false statements about his department "in an attempt to obstruct any inquiry into their further wrongdoing or negligence," and that Arpaio and his chief deputy "have a history of obfuscation and subversion of this Court's orders that is as old as this case and did not stop after they themselves became the subjects of civil contempt."

    So after 21 days of hearings in 2015, Snow found Arpaio in civil contempt of court.

    Sundance  how did  the traffic stop and the resulting 8 hour detention make people safe ?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2017 - 1:57 AM ET #61

     in 2016 should read in 2015
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     in 2016 should read in 2015
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2017 - 7:49 AM ET #62

    My final thought on Sheriff Joe before ZELO starts a thread on transgenders in the US military is. I was not there during the stop that ILSP wrote about. My 1st thought is it was a set up. That is not the 1st time in American history someome has been wrongly detained. Thiseas a justified pardon. I did not think there would be this huge of an outcry from the Left. If Donna Brazile can give the questions to Hilary before a debate anything is possible.
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    My final thought on Sheriff Joe before ZELO starts a thread on transgenders in the US military is. I was not there during the stop that ILSP wrote about. My 1st thought is it was a set up. That is not the 1st time in American history someome has been wrongly detained. Thiseas a justified pardon. I did not think there would be this huge of an outcry from the Left. If Donna Brazile can give the questions to Hilary before a debate anything is possible.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2017 - 11:16 AM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Pot kettle..

    Read his message, there lies your answer big guy.

    When someone comes in and throws blanket generalities which are erroneous like sundance did, what do you think is going to happen that we give handshakes and back patting? I will leave that up to you.

    With regards to giving the answer, I did that many times above if you were following the thread. It is very very obvious sundance has no idea what he is talking about in every single reply he makes...he is uninformed and gaining his information from biased sources...maybe you are the same I dont know. At SOME point a person needs to research for themselves and form their own opinions if they really want answers. sundance needs to learn how to research and find out if the sources he lazily relies on are really legitimate or not. In this case they are not, in the cases earlier in the thread they were not.

    Do you know the answer to the trial by judge issue? Was it some Obama payback blah blah blah???

    Did he abuse Americans with a legitimate US birth certificate?

    That was the only question I saw that he asked.  Of course, it was only answered tangentially.  I thought maybe he had some others from a related thread about this that I had not seen.

    As far as your attitude---sure, I think you should be more civil.  Simply because you are a linesman here.  I think you should be able to discuss things here without being belligerent about it is all.  Whenever we have discussed a topic you have never resorted to name-calling and calling paste and copy names and accusing me of generalities.  I think you are one of the few Liberals on here that try to have a decent conversation about things.  I did not think his question or implied questions were out of line.  I feel the conversation should always start by gently telling someone how and why you disagree is all.  Anyone can get frustrated because someone disagrees with their point of view.  I just feel it is appropriate to civilly discuss it first.  People are more apt to understand your viewpoint if you do that instead of resorting to ranting and raving and putting them down.

    So, since you live there, what would you prefer to see done to curtail the problem with the illegals?  I really do understand when Liberals do not want a group of folks profiled.  I also understand the Conservative point of why frisk granny in the airport view point. I even get that some people want open borders.

    So what do you suggest should be done?  And from a political point, citizen point, and policing point?

    Details and examples would be nice as well.

    I understand you are very passionate about this.  So, could you explain your point of view?  I truly would like to hear it.  I used to be in and out of Tucson when I would go back and forth to Mexico --- and I used to wonder about this from time to time.  So, someone that lives there may have a solution. 

    Thanks. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Pot kettle..

    Read his message, there lies your answer big guy.

    When someone comes in and throws blanket generalities which are erroneous like sundance did, what do you think is going to happen that we give handshakes and back patting? I will leave that up to you.

    With regards to giving the answer, I did that many times above if you were following the thread. It is very very obvious sundance has no idea what he is talking about in every single reply he makes...he is uninformed and gaining his information from biased sources...maybe you are the same I dont know. At SOME point a person needs to research for themselves and form their own opinions if they really want answers. sundance needs to learn how to research and find out if the sources he lazily relies on are really legitimate or not. In this case they are not, in the cases earlier in the thread they were not.

    Do you know the answer to the trial by judge issue? Was it some Obama payback blah blah blah???

    Did he abuse Americans with a legitimate US birth certificate?

    That was the only question I saw that he asked.  Of course, it was only answered tangentially.  I thought maybe he had some others from a related thread about this that I had not seen.

    As far as your attitude---sure, I think you should be more civil.  Simply because you are a linesman here.  I think you should be able to discuss things here without being belligerent about it is all.  Whenever we have discussed a topic you have never resorted to name-calling and calling paste and copy names and accusing me of generalities.  I think you are one of the few Liberals on here that try to have a decent conversation about things.  I did not think his question or implied questions were out of line.  I feel the conversation should always start by gently telling someone how and why you disagree is all.  Anyone can get frustrated because someone disagrees with their point of view.  I just feel it is appropriate to civilly discuss it first.  People are more apt to understand your viewpoint if you do that instead of resorting to ranting and raving and putting them down.

    So, since you live there, what would you prefer to see done to curtail the problem with the illegals?  I really do understand when Liberals do not want a group of folks profiled.  I also understand the Conservative point of why frisk granny in the airport view point. I even get that some people want open borders.

    So what do you suggest should be done?  And from a political point, citizen point, and policing point?

    Details and examples would be nice as well.

    I understand you are very passionate about this.  So, could you explain your point of view?  I truly would like to hear it.  I used to be in and out of Tucson when I would go back and forth to Mexico --- and I used to wonder about this from time to time.  So, someone that lives there may have a solution. 

    Thanks. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Pot kettle..

    Read his message, there lies your answer big guy.

    When someone comes in and throws blanket generalities which are erroneous like sundance did, what do you think is going to happen that we give handshakes and back patting? I will leave that up to you.

    With regards to giving the answer, I did that many times above if you were following the thread. It is very very obvious sundance has no idea what he is talking about in every single reply he makes...he is uninformed and gaining his information from biased sources...maybe you are the same I dont know. At SOME point a person needs to research for themselves and form their own opinions if they really want answers. sundance needs to learn how to research and find out if the sources he lazily relies on are really legitimate or not. In this case they are not, in the cases earlier in the thread they were not.

    Do you know the answer to the trial by judge issue? Was it some Obama payback blah blah blah???

    For example, I would have tempered or changed some of those bold words. 

    And sometimes it is not as simple as researching and forming opinions. Why does it have to be opinion?   Why not fact?  If it is fact-based, a lot of opinion-forming can be left out.  That is why I said you should cite sources for him.  Otherwise, he can simply say your sources are biased as well.  Right?

    It would seem to go over so much better by saying you are closer to the situation and such-and-such is your viewpoint from there.

    At any rate---Thanks for discussing.  Because I am interested in this subject as well. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Pot kettle..

    Read his message, there lies your answer big guy.

    When someone comes in and throws blanket generalities which are erroneous like sundance did, what do you think is going to happen that we give handshakes and back patting? I will leave that up to you.

    With regards to giving the answer, I did that many times above if you were following the thread. It is very very obvious sundance has no idea what he is talking about in every single reply he makes...he is uninformed and gaining his information from biased sources...maybe you are the same I dont know. At SOME point a person needs to research for themselves and form their own opinions if they really want answers. sundance needs to learn how to research and find out if the sources he lazily relies on are really legitimate or not. In this case they are not, in the cases earlier in the thread they were not.

    Do you know the answer to the trial by judge issue? Was it some Obama payback blah blah blah???

    For example, I would have tempered or changed some of those bold words. 

    And sometimes it is not as simple as researching and forming opinions. Why does it have to be opinion?   Why not fact?  If it is fact-based, a lot of opinion-forming can be left out.  That is why I said you should cite sources for him.  Otherwise, he can simply say your sources are biased as well.  Right?

    It would seem to go over so much better by saying you are closer to the situation and such-and-such is your viewpoint from there.

    At any rate---Thanks for discussing.  Because I am interested in this subject as well. 

     
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    Wow! I never thougjt the intellectuals from their liberal bias would have to continue bashing the exoneration of Sheriff Joe. I went and played golf as well as drinking Sam Adams and read the posted comments as I was trying to make a birdie put. Basically a bunch of comments from people who have the huge, huge expectation of others protecting their families and well being.
    God bless Sheriff Joe.
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    Wow! I never thougjt the intellectuals from their liberal bias would have to continue bashing the exoneration of Sheriff Joe. I went and played golf as well as drinking Sam Adams and read the posted comments as I was trying to make a birdie put. Basically a bunch of comments from people who have the huge, huge expectation of others protecting their families and well being.
    God bless Sheriff Joe.
     
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    This is my last post in this 1 sided thread.
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    This is my last post in this 1 sided thread.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    as i mentioned, it's not an exact line, it's an entire post where lovethedough expressed his white supremacy in a different htread.  several people saw t, dj warned him that he was on the verge of getting banned for it and lovethedough acknowledged it and lovethedough said he'd do better.  it's not really up for debate and i'd be surprised if lovethedough denied it.  i'm not that interetsed in hunting down the thread for you.  if you want to find it, it's probably in one of the threads started by scalabrine or related to black people that set white supremacists off.  this thread is just an extension of that as a white supremacist would naturally be a huge fan of someone who has been found to be a racist in multiple court proceedings. that's why locvethedough wrote four consecutive posts about it in this thread and that's what i commented on here.

    as to your other comments, it's funny that tyou say i don't know anyone who fights terrorism or immigration as i'm guessing im the only or one of the few in here who know many.  since i've worked in criminal law and with people in immigration for about two decades now. 

    but none of that really matters.  arpaio was found guilty in a criminal court for being a racist and found responsible for being a racist in a civil proceeding costing the taxpayers millions.  legally and in our society, there's really not any more of an objective standard in this country to determine someone is a racist than that.  you guys can whine about that and throw out your conspiracy theories and deflect to obama this and obama that, but it's already been decided twice by the methods we use in this country to decide such things.  




    To recap I asked for evidence and you gave me none regarding lovesthedough being a white supremacist.  I asked stump and dj a question and got crickets so at least give you credit for responding even if it was utter nonsense.

    I make a point about profiling being a necessity and you pivot to Arpaio.  I knew you wouldn't rebuke my comment about profiling being a must.  I never call you out but maybe I might start to so maybe you can see the hypocrisy that you spew in nearly every sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    as i mentioned, it's not an exact line, it's an entire post where lovethedough expressed his white supremacy in a different htread.  several people saw t, dj warned him that he was on the verge of getting banned for it and lovethedough acknowledged it and lovethedough said he'd do better.  it's not really up for debate and i'd be surprised if lovethedough denied it.  i'm not that interetsed in hunting down the thread for you.  if you want to find it, it's probably in one of the threads started by scalabrine or related to black people that set white supremacists off.  this thread is just an extension of that as a white supremacist would naturally be a huge fan of someone who has been found to be a racist in multiple court proceedings. that's why locvethedough wrote four consecutive posts about it in this thread and that's what i commented on here.

    as to your other comments, it's funny that tyou say i don't know anyone who fights terrorism or immigration as i'm guessing im the only or one of the few in here who know many.  since i've worked in criminal law and with people in immigration for about two decades now. 

    but none of that really matters.  arpaio was found guilty in a criminal court for being a racist and found responsible for being a racist in a civil proceeding costing the taxpayers millions.  legally and in our society, there's really not any more of an objective standard in this country to determine someone is a racist than that.  you guys can whine about that and throw out your conspiracy theories and deflect to obama this and obama that, but it's already been decided twice by the methods we use in this country to decide such things.  




    To recap I asked for evidence and you gave me none regarding lovesthedough being a white supremacist.  I asked stump and dj a question and got crickets so at least give you credit for responding even if it was utter nonsense.

    I make a point about profiling being a necessity and you pivot to Arpaio.  I knew you wouldn't rebuke my comment about profiling being a must.  I never call you out but maybe I might start to so maybe you can see the hypocrisy that you spew in nearly every sentence.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2017 - 7:35 PM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

    To recap I asked for evidence and you gave me none regarding lovesthedough being a white supremacist.  I asked stump and dj a question and got crickets so at least give you credit for responding even if it was utter nonsense.

    I make a point about profiling being a necessity and you pivot to Arpaio.  I knew you wouldn't rebuke my comment about profiling being a must.  I never call you out but maybe I might start to so maybe you can see the hypocrisy that you spew in nearly every sentence.

    I am sure why he didnt reply and why I also did not. You completely miss the point and the topic you bring up.

    This is not about using profiling in a way that is constructive and effective...the reason this happened over decades of time and to the cost of MILLIONS for the Arizona taxpayer is that Joe ABUSED the concept...he went too far over and over and over. He used the guise of profiling and went so far he was repeatedly rebuked and instructed not to continue. He ignored the court order and that is why he was convicted.

    This isnt about profiling in the way you describe at all, it is obvious you are either not up on the topic or you are blinded by the conservative vs liberal garbage again and are excusing Arpaio and his repeated, multi-decade long abuses of power.

    That is why I am sure he didnt reply...why bother, you really do not seem interested in the subject and will not change your opinion even with the facts right in front of your face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

    To recap I asked for evidence and you gave me none regarding lovesthedough being a white supremacist.  I asked stump and dj a question and got crickets so at least give you credit for responding even if it was utter nonsense.

    I make a point about profiling being a necessity and you pivot to Arpaio.  I knew you wouldn't rebuke my comment about profiling being a must.  I never call you out but maybe I might start to so maybe you can see the hypocrisy that you spew in nearly every sentence.

    I am sure why he didnt reply and why I also did not. You completely miss the point and the topic you bring up.

    This is not about using profiling in a way that is constructive and effective...the reason this happened over decades of time and to the cost of MILLIONS for the Arizona taxpayer is that Joe ABUSED the concept...he went too far over and over and over. He used the guise of profiling and went so far he was repeatedly rebuked and instructed not to continue. He ignored the court order and that is why he was convicted.

    This isnt about profiling in the way you describe at all, it is obvious you are either not up on the topic or you are blinded by the conservative vs liberal garbage again and are excusing Arpaio and his repeated, multi-decade long abuses of power.

    That is why I am sure he didnt reply...why bother, you really do not seem interested in the subject and will not change your opinion even with the facts right in front of your face.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2017 - 9:31 PM ET #69

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:


    So, since you live there, what would you prefer to see done to curtail the problem with the illegals?  I really do understand when Liberals do not want a group of folks profiled.  I also understand the Conservative point of why frisk granny in the airport view point. I even get that some people want open borders.

    So what do you suggest should be done?  And from a political point, citizen point, and policing point?

    Details and examples would be nice as well.

    I understand you are very passionate about this.  So, could you explain your point of view?  I truly would like to hear it.  I used to be in and out of Tucson when I would go back and forth to Mexico --- and I used to wonder about this from time to time.  So, someone that lives there may have a solution. 

    Thanks. 


    I'll play this. 

    You accuse Wall of using generalities and then make statements like "problem with illegals" and define an entire position with liberals vs. conservatives mantra. 

    So, what exactly is the "problem with illegals" and what has/does Sheriff Joe do to solve that problem?

    Let me take it a step further. 

    Statistically, drunk driving kills more than any other action by any other group. 

    Statistically, pulling over every driver after 11 P.M. would solve that problem. 

    Why shouldn't we profile in this way?


    Also, just so you know, racial profiling is actually legal. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:


    So, since you live there, what would you prefer to see done to curtail the problem with the illegals?  I really do understand when Liberals do not want a group of folks profiled.  I also understand the Conservative point of why frisk granny in the airport view point. I even get that some people want open borders.

    So what do you suggest should be done?  And from a political point, citizen point, and policing point?

    Details and examples would be nice as well.

    I understand you are very passionate about this.  So, could you explain your point of view?  I truly would like to hear it.  I used to be in and out of Tucson when I would go back and forth to Mexico --- and I used to wonder about this from time to time.  So, someone that lives there may have a solution. 

    Thanks. 


    I'll play this. 

    You accuse Wall of using generalities and then make statements like "problem with illegals" and define an entire position with liberals vs. conservatives mantra. 

    So, what exactly is the "problem with illegals" and what has/does Sheriff Joe do to solve that problem?

    Let me take it a step further. 

    Statistically, drunk driving kills more than any other action by any other group. 

    Statistically, pulling over every driver after 11 P.M. would solve that problem. 

    Why shouldn't we profile in this way?


    Also, just so you know, racial profiling is actually legal. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    I am sure why he didnt reply and why I also did not. You completely miss the point and the topic you bring up.

    This is not about using profiling in a way that is constructive and effective...the reason this happened over decades of time and to the cost of MILLIONS for the Arizona taxpayer is that Joe ABUSED the concept...he went too far over and over and over. He used the guise of profiling and went so far he was repeatedly rebuked and instructed not to continue. He ignored the court order and that is why he was convicted.

    This isnt about profiling in the way you describe at all, it is obvious you are either not up on the topic or you are blinded by the conservative vs liberal garbage again and are excusing Arpaio and his repeated, multi-decade long abuses of power.

    That is why I am sure he didnt reply...why bother, you really do not seem interested in the subject and will not change your opinion even with the facts right in front of your face.

    I can answer. I warned Dough because he came out and not only defended the white supremacists but used the term 'we.' This site is not going to tolerate people aligning themselves with hate groups. 

    Wall and Club answered this better than I. Joe committed crimes. Even if you believe those crimes are wrong, the means to change them is legislatively, not to act like they don't exist. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    I am sure why he didnt reply and why I also did not. You completely miss the point and the topic you bring up.

    This is not about using profiling in a way that is constructive and effective...the reason this happened over decades of time and to the cost of MILLIONS for the Arizona taxpayer is that Joe ABUSED the concept...he went too far over and over and over. He used the guise of profiling and went so far he was repeatedly rebuked and instructed not to continue. He ignored the court order and that is why he was convicted.

    This isnt about profiling in the way you describe at all, it is obvious you are either not up on the topic or you are blinded by the conservative vs liberal garbage again and are excusing Arpaio and his repeated, multi-decade long abuses of power.

    That is why I am sure he didnt reply...why bother, you really do not seem interested in the subject and will not change your opinion even with the facts right in front of your face.

    I can answer. I warned Dough because he came out and not only defended the white supremacists but used the term 'we.' This site is not going to tolerate people aligning themselves with hate groups. 

    Wall and Club answered this better than I. Joe committed crimes. Even if you believe those crimes are wrong, the means to change them is legislatively, not to act like they don't exist. 


     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2017 - 10:16 PM ET #71

    Trump nailed the crooked media today... comparing Sheriff Joe enforcing law.... to Obama & Clinton pardoning Drug dealers, Terrorist, Mercenaries... for cash.

    Hussein Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning. Wasn't that a felony conviction? Nuff said.

    If ANYONE has explaining to do, it is the judge who denied a man the right to be tried by a jury of his peers.

    This travesty misdemeanor conviction was riddled with inconsistences and questionable bench action. It was likely to be overturned on appeal anyway.



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    Trump nailed the crooked media today... comparing Sheriff Joe enforcing law.... to Obama & Clinton pardoning Drug dealers, Terrorist, Mercenaries... for cash.

    Hussein Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning. Wasn't that a felony conviction? Nuff said.

    If ANYONE has explaining to do, it is the judge who denied a man the right to be tried by a jury of his peers.

    This travesty misdemeanor conviction was riddled with inconsistences and questionable bench action. It was likely to be overturned on appeal anyway.



     
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    This has been mentionef earlier. The Left is thoroughly outraged at the pardon of Sheriff Joe. Actually triggered beyond reasonable belief. Having said that. I can not make up the following. The Left was never outraged when 1 pedophile pardoned another pedophile. I will make the case for the pardon of Sheriff Joe sometime over the Labor Day weekend.
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    This has been mentionef earlier. The Left is thoroughly outraged at the pardon of Sheriff Joe. Actually triggered beyond reasonable belief. Having said that. I can not make up the following. The Left was never outraged when 1 pedophile pardoned another pedophile. I will make the case for the pardon of Sheriff Joe sometime over the Labor Day weekend.
     
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    Hussein Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning.

    Geez you are consistently wrong. Obama "commuted" Manning & did not pardon her. He ended her sentence .A pardon completely absolves someone of a conviction.

    It's a big freaking difference.
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    Hussein Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning.

    Geez you are consistently wrong. Obama "commuted" Manning & did not pardon her. He ended her sentence .A pardon completely absolves someone of a conviction.

    It's a big freaking difference.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2017 - 10:41 PM ET #74

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    This is my last post in this 1 sided thread.

    You related to trump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    This is my last post in this 1 sided thread.

    You related to trump?
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    you probably know about all of these but look at this one.

    this guy is insane.  no wonder trump loves him. 

    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/a-phony-murder-plot-against-joe-arpaio-winds-up-costing-taxpayers-11-million-6629798

    It doesn't matter whether Joe Arpaio is insane, he is die hard Trump base, Trump pardons him for that firm reason. Trump is pleading his 34% base by doing it, he has to solidify his core base in wake of huge dropping approval rating since the inauguration.    
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    you probably know about all of these but look at this one.

    this guy is insane.  no wonder trump loves him. 

    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/a-phony-murder-plot-against-joe-arpaio-winds-up-costing-taxpayers-11-million-6629798

    It doesn't matter whether Joe Arpaio is insane, he is die hard Trump base, Trump pardons him for that firm reason. Trump is pleading his 34% base by doing it, he has to solidify his core base in wake of huge dropping approval rating since the inauguration.    
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