I am repeating myself in this forum. Trump destroyed Hillary by winning 3084 counties out of 3141. I will save you some time. That is almost 98%. Landslide!
Power to the States !!!
This country is more 'red' than it has been in generations, in majority of governorships, congress, and of course the presidency .
Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
I am repeating myself in this forum. Trump destroyed Hillary by winning 3084 counties out of 3141. I will save you some time. That is almost 98%. Landslide!
Power to the States !!!
This country is more 'red' than it has been in generations, in majority of governorships, congress, and of course the presidency .
i don't know. i had two bets in the final election- hillary to win CO and VA. i didn't bet more because i was pretty much maxed out at the books where the bets were offered. i relied mostly on the polls and 538 so i was lucky to win those fairly easily.
as for trump bets, i considered betting him in GA and UT when those odds were in a reasonable range but never pulled the trigger. i never thought to bet trump in places like PA, WI and Mi because i was looking for favorites that i thought were safe, kind of a different style of betting than what i do for the nfl. however, the polls really failed people in some of these states and if you did approach betting to look for reasonably priced underdogs and upset situations (at least according to the polls), like i would for the nfl, that is where the good money was made.
Polls are virtually useless. They showed Trump hadn't led in PA since the summer and never led in WI or MI. He won all those states. Similar things happened in the primaries, such as Clinton leading over Sanders by 8-20 points in Michigan, then losing that state.
You have to judge things based on turnout, demographics, popularity of candidates and desire for change from the country.
Don't bother with polls. They're flawed and mostly meaningless.
Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
i don't know. i had two bets in the final election- hillary to win CO and VA. i didn't bet more because i was pretty much maxed out at the books where the bets were offered. i relied mostly on the polls and 538 so i was lucky to win those fairly easily.
as for trump bets, i considered betting him in GA and UT when those odds were in a reasonable range but never pulled the trigger. i never thought to bet trump in places like PA, WI and Mi because i was looking for favorites that i thought were safe, kind of a different style of betting than what i do for the nfl. however, the polls really failed people in some of these states and if you did approach betting to look for reasonably priced underdogs and upset situations (at least according to the polls), like i would for the nfl, that is where the good money was made.
Polls are virtually useless. They showed Trump hadn't led in PA since the summer and never led in WI or MI. He won all those states. Similar things happened in the primaries, such as Clinton leading over Sanders by 8-20 points in Michigan, then losing that state.
You have to judge things based on turnout, demographics, popularity of candidates and desire for change from the country.
Don't bother with polls. They're flawed and mostly meaningless.
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down: [up] man's old -- old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. - Ronald Reagan
Reagan was prophetic. Enough with the LW and RW haggling. We need to seek the truth, freedom, equality and rule of law. Instead we are following the down the ant heap of totalitarianism. Trump is miscast. Wrong job for man who excels at reality TV and threatens the first amendment. Reagan must be rolling over in his grave. God bless America.
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down: [up] man's old -- old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. - Ronald Reagan
Reagan was prophetic. Enough with the LW and RW haggling. We need to seek the truth, freedom, equality and rule of law. Instead we are following the down the ant heap of totalitarianism. Trump is miscast. Wrong job for man who excels at reality TV and threatens the first amendment. Reagan must be rolling over in his grave. God bless America.
^Nice post.. Until you got it spectacularly incorrect in the final couple of sentences. Sorry, but the Big O' was more of a threat to people's ability for free speech than Trump. Anybody that believes in a powerful central state is willing to compromise the power of its people to assemble and speak. I.e. this means dems if you can follow the bouncing ball...
^Nice post.. Until you got it spectacularly incorrect in the final couple of sentences. Sorry, but the Big O' was more of a threat to people's ability for free speech than Trump. Anybody that believes in a powerful central state is willing to compromise the power of its people to assemble and speak. I.e. this means dems if you can follow the bouncing ball...
Rush - Communism is essentially totalitarian with nicer slogans. So I think I are arguing that Obama is so far left he was a borderline Marxist. Following the horseshoe theory he was more of a threat to the 1st amendment than trump since extreme ends of the political spectrum are similar.
Rush - Communism is essentially totalitarian with nicer slogans. So I think I are arguing that Obama is so far left he was a borderline Marxist. Following the horseshoe theory he was more of a threat to the 1st amendment than trump since extreme ends of the political spectrum are similar.
i didn't vote for Obama in 2012. However i think your point is a stretch. Embracing globalism and universal health care does not make you a totalitarian leader. Trump borrowing from the totalitarian playbook is tough to argue against
i didn't vote for Obama in 2012. However i think your point is a stretch. Embracing globalism and universal health care does not make you a totalitarian leader. Trump borrowing from the totalitarian playbook is tough to argue against
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down: [up] man's old -- old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. - Ronald Reagan
Reagan was prophetic. Enough with the LW and RW haggling. We need to seek the truth, freedom, equality and rule of law. Instead we are following the down the ant heap of totalitarianism. Trump is miscast. Wrong job for man who excels at reality TV and threatens the first amendment. Reagan must be rolling over in his grave. God bless America.
Back in the '80s, President Ronald Reagan denounced Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire". But in 2017, 49 percent of Republican voters consider Russia to be either an ally or friendly to the US. And only 12% of the GOP voters consider Russia as an enemy.
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down: [up] man's old -- old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. - Ronald Reagan
Reagan was prophetic. Enough with the LW and RW haggling. We need to seek the truth, freedom, equality and rule of law. Instead we are following the down the ant heap of totalitarianism. Trump is miscast. Wrong job for man who excels at reality TV and threatens the first amendment. Reagan must be rolling over in his grave. God bless America.
Back in the '80s, President Ronald Reagan denounced Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire". But in 2017, 49 percent of Republican voters consider Russia to be either an ally or friendly to the US. And only 12% of the GOP voters consider Russia as an enemy.
Back in the '80s, President Ronald Reagan denounced Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire". But in 2017, 49 percent of Republican voters consider Russia to be either an ally or friendly to the US. And only 12% of the GOP voters consider Russia as an enemy.
under reagan, we believed that country to be so evil that we teamed up with bin laden and his crew to help fight them.
times sure have changed.
Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
Back in the '80s, President Ronald Reagan denounced Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire". But in 2017, 49 percent of Republican voters consider Russia to be either an ally or friendly to the US. And only 12% of the GOP voters consider Russia as an enemy.
under reagan, we believed that country to be so evil that we teamed up with bin laden and his crew to help fight them.
times sure have changed.
Surely times have changed, it's now about half of the GOP voters considering Russia as friendly as our ally. Donald Trump once said, "NATO is obsolete", he had to retrieve that statement later on though.
Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
under reagan, we believed that country to be so evil that we teamed up with bin laden and his crew to help fight them.
times sure have changed.
Surely times have changed, it's now about half of the GOP voters considering Russia as friendly as our ally. Donald Trump once said, "NATO is obsolete", he had to retrieve that statement later on though.
Back in the '80s, President Ronald Reagan denounced Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire". But in 2017, 49 percent of Republican voters consider Russia to be either an ally or friendly to the US. And only 12% of the GOP voters consider Russia as an enemy.
This was a huge propaganda hoax to scare the US citizen into exploding the size and spending of our military and defense.
Remember Star Wars defense system and school nuke drills? I do..
The media then was not as swift and expansive so people were slow or incapable of finding out more information than what was told at fireside chats or the newspaper.
Nothing like war or terror to drum up military funding support, almost a free ticket to sucker punch the serfs.
Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
Back in the '80s, President Ronald Reagan denounced Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire". But in 2017, 49 percent of Republican voters consider Russia to be either an ally or friendly to the US. And only 12% of the GOP voters consider Russia as an enemy.
This was a huge propaganda hoax to scare the US citizen into exploding the size and spending of our military and defense.
Remember Star Wars defense system and school nuke drills? I do..
The media then was not as swift and expansive so people were slow or incapable of finding out more information than what was told at fireside chats or the newspaper.
Nothing like war or terror to drum up military funding support, almost a free ticket to sucker punch the serfs.
under reagan, we believed that country to be so evil that we teamed up with bin laden and his crew to help fight them.
times sure have changed.
And we armed them. And trained them. And all because of some comic book spectre. The big bad Soviet Union. The enemy of my enemy is my friend approach. Epic fail. Yet conservatives tout President Reagan as the greatest thing since sliced bread while at the?same time criticizing Obama's foreign policy. This isn't a defense of Obama. It's me basically saying that both major parties suck in one way or another and both make mistakes. The way "liberals" and "conservatives" throw stones at each other on this site is ridiculous.
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
under reagan, we believed that country to be so evil that we teamed up with bin laden and his crew to help fight them.
times sure have changed.
And we armed them. And trained them. And all because of some comic book spectre. The big bad Soviet Union. The enemy of my enemy is my friend approach. Epic fail. Yet conservatives tout President Reagan as the greatest thing since sliced bread while at the?same time criticizing Obama's foreign policy. This isn't a defense of Obama. It's me basically saying that both major parties suck in one way or another and both make mistakes. The way "liberals" and "conservatives" throw stones at each other on this site is ridiculous.
And we armed them. And trained them. And all because of some comic book spectre. The big bad Soviet Union. The enemy of my enemy is my friend approach. Epic fail. Yet conservatives tout President Reagan as the greatest thing since sliced bread while at the?same time criticizing Obama's foreign policy. This isn't a defense of Obama. It's me basically saying that both major parties suck in one way or another and both make mistakes. The way "liberals" and "conservatives" throw stones at each other on this site is ridiculous.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
And we armed them. And trained them. And all because of some comic book spectre. The big bad Soviet Union. The enemy of my enemy is my friend approach. Epic fail. Yet conservatives tout President Reagan as the greatest thing since sliced bread while at the?same time criticizing Obama's foreign policy. This isn't a defense of Obama. It's me basically saying that both major parties suck in one way or another and both make mistakes. The way "liberals" and "conservatives" throw stones at each other on this site is ridiculous.
So much drivel here and misinformation. People pretending to understand things that are beyond their understanding. People trying to answer questions while assuming they have answers to hundreds of underlying questions they have no answer to. Why are there nations? What is the purpose of a nation? How are nations founded? What makes a friend a friend a friend? What makes an enemy an enemy? And this to say nothing about our particular nation, its founding principals, and those it considers its enemies and/or friends. Unless you are prepared to answer these questions, just shut up and go back to doing what you do best: i.e., fooling yourself into thinking you know/understand anything.
So much drivel here and misinformation. People pretending to understand things that are beyond their understanding. People trying to answer questions while assuming they have answers to hundreds of underlying questions they have no answer to. Why are there nations? What is the purpose of a nation? How are nations founded? What makes a friend a friend a friend? What makes an enemy an enemy? And this to say nothing about our particular nation, its founding principals, and those it considers its enemies and/or friends. Unless you are prepared to answer these questions, just shut up and go back to doing what you do best: i.e., fooling yourself into thinking you know/understand anything.
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