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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2016 - 11:45 PM ET #976

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    BB,

    It was the greatest political prop bet ever with psychological capping at it's core. That is why you are in this thread because that is the core of your sports capping.

    I want to add that Bernie would have won. 100%. For all Trump's complaining about rigging, the real rigging came from the DNC when emails revealed Debbie Wasserman literally wanted to prevent Bernie from being the nominee. That was a betrayal of trust that kept many Democratic voters home. And when you have Florida decided by 100,000 votes, that is significant.

    Everything you stated is accurate but what really drove it home, what scared the bejesus out of me was when Hillary used the "basket of deplorables" terminology.

    It reminded me of Mitt when he was recorded saying 47% of the country are takers. His poll numbers plummeted after that (when polls actually meant something). I can't believe she said that.

    For all my disdain for the GOP and the bigots/racists/xenephobes/nationalists/war-mongers/hypocrites/misogynists therein, I don't even use those terms in PRIVATE casual conversations.

    And she uses it to address a room of donors. Nail in the coffin...in hindsight of course.


    When I heard she said that I could not believe it (you don't insult people you disagree with politically like that). But how ironic that one gaffe at a political fundraiser did her in, but a hundred gaffes by Trump (some arguably much worse than that) did not affect him one bit. It just goes to show you how slim her margin of error really was. 

    I think Sanders would have won and what the democrats did to him was deplorable. I'll never forget his reaction to the speech by HCR at the democratic convention (if looks could kill:) This could end up being a Shakespearean tragedy. I just hope Trump will be able to stand up to some of these far-right nutjobs who are circling the waters like sharks. I don't think he is a Republican, and is more liberal than people think (I listened to him and Howard Stern banter for years), but he will have to rely on the Republicans to govern. Hopefully he will seek out some moderate voices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    BB,

    It was the greatest political prop bet ever with psychological capping at it's core. That is why you are in this thread because that is the core of your sports capping.

    I want to add that Bernie would have won. 100%. For all Trump's complaining about rigging, the real rigging came from the DNC when emails revealed Debbie Wasserman literally wanted to prevent Bernie from being the nominee. That was a betrayal of trust that kept many Democratic voters home. And when you have Florida decided by 100,000 votes, that is significant.

    Everything you stated is accurate but what really drove it home, what scared the bejesus out of me was when Hillary used the "basket of deplorables" terminology.

    It reminded me of Mitt when he was recorded saying 47% of the country are takers. His poll numbers plummeted after that (when polls actually meant something). I can't believe she said that.

    For all my disdain for the GOP and the bigots/racists/xenephobes/nationalists/war-mongers/hypocrites/misogynists therein, I don't even use those terms in PRIVATE casual conversations.

    And she uses it to address a room of donors. Nail in the coffin...in hindsight of course.


    When I heard she said that I could not believe it (you don't insult people you disagree with politically like that). But how ironic that one gaffe at a political fundraiser did her in, but a hundred gaffes by Trump (some arguably much worse than that) did not affect him one bit. It just goes to show you how slim her margin of error really was. 

    I think Sanders would have won and what the democrats did to him was deplorable. I'll never forget his reaction to the speech by HCR at the democratic convention (if looks could kill:) This could end up being a Shakespearean tragedy. I just hope Trump will be able to stand up to some of these far-right nutjobs who are circling the waters like sharks. I don't think he is a Republican, and is more liberal than people think (I listened to him and Howard Stern banter for years), but he will have to rely on the Republicans to govern. Hopefully he will seek out some moderate voices.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2016 - 10:10 PM ET #977

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:


    Not sure I agree with the first part of your statement.  I never "seemed so sure", and if it came off that way it was misinterpreted.  I thought at the odds I could get at the time it was a good bet.

    But I lost.  Like I have done many times before and will do many times in the future.

    So yes, I got it wrong.  I sincerely hope the country got it right.
    Do you think you were influenced by the main stream media opinion? They all said Clinton had a virtually impenetrable electoral college advantage (similar to what you said).

    Ironically, it is actually Republicans who have the electoral college advantage. Clinton won the popular vote, but that's useless when most of those votes come from states like California and New York. Trump absolutely destroyed Clinton in the midwest/rust belt states. This was termed as Clinton's "firewall" which she couldn't possibly lose according to many, yet she lost it quite spectacularly.

    When you think about it, all Trump had to do was carry all states Romney won (easy enough - they were never ever going to vote for Clinton) and pick up the midwest/rust belt states full of white voters who were angry at industrial decline (which Trump said he would rebuild). He never needed Florida, even though everyone was saying he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:


    Not sure I agree with the first part of your statement.  I never "seemed so sure", and if it came off that way it was misinterpreted.  I thought at the odds I could get at the time it was a good bet.

    But I lost.  Like I have done many times before and will do many times in the future.

    So yes, I got it wrong.  I sincerely hope the country got it right.
    Do you think you were influenced by the main stream media opinion? They all said Clinton had a virtually impenetrable electoral college advantage (similar to what you said).

    Ironically, it is actually Republicans who have the electoral college advantage. Clinton won the popular vote, but that's useless when most of those votes come from states like California and New York. Trump absolutely destroyed Clinton in the midwest/rust belt states. This was termed as Clinton's "firewall" which she couldn't possibly lose according to many, yet she lost it quite spectacularly.

    When you think about it, all Trump had to do was carry all states Romney won (easy enough - they were never ever going to vote for Clinton) and pick up the midwest/rust belt states full of white voters who were angry at industrial decline (which Trump said he would rebuild). He never needed Florida, even though everyone was saying he did.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2016 - 9:58 AM ET #978

    lets see in 4 years how things go...the question is if things go good will the democrats side say yes,,and if things go bad will trump and his followers admit its going bad and not blame others
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    lets see in 4 years how things go...the question is if things go good will the democrats side say yes,,and if things go bad will trump and his followers admit its going bad and not blame others
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2016 - 12:00 AM ET #979

    Greatest thread ever. Nothing like reading people telling others that -200 and minus -300 are great wagers

    Smart guys give advice on value (the + side) 




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    Greatest thread ever. Nothing like reading people telling others that -200 and minus -300 are great wagers

    Smart guys give advice on value (the + side) 




     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2016 - 12:46 AM ET #980

    Quote Originally Posted by FootballChamp:

    Greatest thread ever. Nothing like reading people telling others that -200 and minus -300 are great wagers

    Smart guys give advice on value (the + side) 





    Waiting for your advice on value (the + side), week 13 picks?   
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    Quote Originally Posted by FootballChamp:

    Greatest thread ever. Nothing like reading people telling others that -200 and minus -300 are great wagers

    Smart guys give advice on value (the + side) 





    Waiting for your advice on value (the + side), week 13 picks?   
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2016 - 7:28 AM ET #981

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    I just re-read some of it. Amazing the "confirmation bias" so rampant and blatant in what appears to be regular, seasoned gamblers. Just a lot of irrationality and biases. Sooooo much money and opportunity was lost, and the evidence was there: 1) under investigation (poll drop twice); 2) Rust belt staes became in play very late; 3) Michael Moore's foresight that the angry white voters will vote anti establishment; 3) Indiana, Ohio and Iowa were solidly Trump in major polls; 4) IBD/TPP poll (most reliable) gave Trump a 2pt lead in their final poll...

    Plus you have to accept the fact that Trump is a master persuader, and his rallies were working, his headlining, everything clicked in this 10 states he needed. 

    Side bets on Iowa, Florida, Penn, Wisc, Mich, were paying at least even money. Trump was +550 to 600 in most betting markets on election day. 

    Average bettors are just people, and people are emotional and irrational, and they do not care about facts or the truth. They liked either Hillary or Trump and that's that. 
    Great points! but I was referring to the author of this thread, he is a proclaimed professional bettor and a lot of sheep look for his advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    I just re-read some of it. Amazing the "confirmation bias" so rampant and blatant in what appears to be regular, seasoned gamblers. Just a lot of irrationality and biases. Sooooo much money and opportunity was lost, and the evidence was there: 1) under investigation (poll drop twice); 2) Rust belt staes became in play very late; 3) Michael Moore's foresight that the angry white voters will vote anti establishment; 3) Indiana, Ohio and Iowa were solidly Trump in major polls; 4) IBD/TPP poll (most reliable) gave Trump a 2pt lead in their final poll...

    Plus you have to accept the fact that Trump is a master persuader, and his rallies were working, his headlining, everything clicked in this 10 states he needed. 

    Side bets on Iowa, Florida, Penn, Wisc, Mich, were paying at least even money. Trump was +550 to 600 in most betting markets on election day. 

    Average bettors are just people, and people are emotional and irrational, and they do not care about facts or the truth. They liked either Hillary or Trump and that's that. 
    Great points! but I was referring to the author of this thread, he is a proclaimed professional bettor and a lot of sheep look for his advice
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2016 - 7:40 AM ET #982

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Waiting for your advice on value (the + side), week 13 picks?   

    Best positive money line to bet that has the greatest chance of winning = Jets +110

    Best value money line= Jags+ 170 (Which is not that good on a Thursday after everybody (Professional players)  has banged this play.
    Best point spread play= Saints-5.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Waiting for your advice on value (the + side), week 13 picks?   

    Best positive money line to bet that has the greatest chance of winning = Jets +110

    Best value money line= Jags+ 170 (Which is not that good on a Thursday after everybody (Professional players)  has banged this play.
    Best point spread play= Saints-5.5
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FootballChamp:


    Best positive money line to bet that has the greatest chance of winning = Jets +110

    Best value money line= Jags+ 170 (Which is not that good on a Thursday after everybody (Professional players)  has banged this play.
    Best point spread play= Saints-5.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by FootballChamp:


    Best positive money line to bet that has the greatest chance of winning = Jets +110

    Best value money line= Jags+ 170 (Which is not that good on a Thursday after everybody (Professional players)  has banged this play.
    Best point spread play= Saints-5.5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2016 - 8:59 PM ET #984

    Quote Originally Posted by FootballChamp:

    Great points! but I was referring to the author of this thread, he is a proclaimed professional bettor and a lot of sheep look for his advice


    C'mon. This is a gambling forum. No disrespect to you intended, but there are precious few thorough and intelligent people on this site willing to share their work and wisdom. The author of this thread is a must read whenever he analyzes a gambling proposition. He has earned his respect on this site and you would be wise to pay attention when he is willing to share his opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FootballChamp:

    Great points! but I was referring to the author of this thread, he is a proclaimed professional bettor and a lot of sheep look for his advice


    C'mon. This is a gambling forum. No disrespect to you intended, but there are precious few thorough and intelligent people on this site willing to share their work and wisdom. The author of this thread is a must read whenever he analyzes a gambling proposition. He has earned his respect on this site and you would be wise to pay attention when he is willing to share his opinion.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2016 - 9:47 PM ET #985

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    I just re-read some of it. Amazing the "confirmation bias" so rampant and blatant in what appears to be regular, seasoned gamblers. Just a lot of irrationality and biases. Sooooo much money and opportunity was lost, and the evidence was there: 1) under investigation (poll drop twice); 2) Rust belt staes became in play very late; 3) Michael Moore's foresight that the angry white voters will vote anti establishment; 3) Indiana, Ohio and Iowa were solidly Trump in major polls; 4) IBD/TPP poll (most reliable) gave Trump a 2pt lead in their final poll...

    Plus you have to accept the fact that Trump is a master persuader, and his rallies were working, his headlining, everything clicked in this 10 states he needed. 

    Side bets on Iowa, Florida, Penn, Wisc, Mich, were paying at least even money. Trump was +550 to 600 in most betting markets on election day. 

    Average bettors are just people, and people are emotional and irrational, and they do not care about facts or the truth. They liked either Hillary or Trump and that's that. 
    It is pretty amazing how the OP of this thread got it spectacularly wrong. After sounding so confident in his original post.

    He even said that Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are "probably a stretch" to be on the list of swing states. And no mention of Michigan at all. All of them were won by Trump.

    He also said that Democrats start with a 242-180 advantage. Democrats only got 232. Not even the 242 that he claimed they were guaranteed to get.

    All in all, I don't see how anyone can take his betting analysis seriously. He didn't properly analyse the election, just "went back to math" - math that was hopelessly wrong!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    I just re-read some of it. Amazing the "confirmation bias" so rampant and blatant in what appears to be regular, seasoned gamblers. Just a lot of irrationality and biases. Sooooo much money and opportunity was lost, and the evidence was there: 1) under investigation (poll drop twice); 2) Rust belt staes became in play very late; 3) Michael Moore's foresight that the angry white voters will vote anti establishment; 3) Indiana, Ohio and Iowa were solidly Trump in major polls; 4) IBD/TPP poll (most reliable) gave Trump a 2pt lead in their final poll...

    Plus you have to accept the fact that Trump is a master persuader, and his rallies were working, his headlining, everything clicked in this 10 states he needed. 

    Side bets on Iowa, Florida, Penn, Wisc, Mich, were paying at least even money. Trump was +550 to 600 in most betting markets on election day. 

    Average bettors are just people, and people are emotional and irrational, and they do not care about facts or the truth. They liked either Hillary or Trump and that's that. 
    It is pretty amazing how the OP of this thread got it spectacularly wrong. After sounding so confident in his original post.

    He even said that Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are "probably a stretch" to be on the list of swing states. And no mention of Michigan at all. All of them were won by Trump.

    He also said that Democrats start with a 242-180 advantage. Democrats only got 232. Not even the 242 that he claimed they were guaranteed to get.

    All in all, I don't see how anyone can take his betting analysis seriously. He didn't properly analyse the election, just "went back to math" - math that was hopelessly wrong!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 8:12 AM ET #986

    I am repeating myself in this forum. Trump destroyed Hillary by winning 3084 counties out of 3141. I will save you some time. That is almost 98%. Landslide!
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    I am repeating myself in this forum. Trump destroyed Hillary by winning 3084 counties out of 3141. I will save you some time. That is almost 98%. Landslide!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 8:15 AM ET #987

    Quote Originally Posted by QMICH:


    EVEN MORE AMAZING IS HOW TOTALLY FUKIN CLUELESS A STATEMENT THIS IS CONSIDERING 54% OF THE COUNTRY VOTED FOR HC!
    Not sure where you got the figure of 54% from. She won a little bit over 48% of the popular vote.

    Popular vote does not win you the election though, so I'm not sure what your point is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QMICH:


    EVEN MORE AMAZING IS HOW TOTALLY FUKIN CLUELESS A STATEMENT THIS IS CONSIDERING 54% OF THE COUNTRY VOTED FOR HC!
    Not sure where you got the figure of 54% from. She won a little bit over 48% of the popular vote.

    Popular vote does not win you the election though, so I'm not sure what your point is.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 11:45 AM ET #988

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I am repeating myself in this forum. Trump destroyed Hillary by winning 3084 counties out of 3141. I will save you some time. That is almost 98%. Landslide!


    i don't think that's true.  that must have come from breitbart or foxnews which means it's always going to be a lie, 100% of the time.. 

    https://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/

    https://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2016/12/06/1206-clinton-won-487-counties.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I am repeating myself in this forum. Trump destroyed Hillary by winning 3084 counties out of 3141. I will save you some time. That is almost 98%. Landslide!


    i don't think that's true.  that must have come from breitbart or foxnews which means it's always going to be a lie, 100% of the time.. 

    https://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/

    https://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2016/12/06/1206-clinton-won-487-counties.html
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 12:05 PM ET #989

    No fake news club! Actually got it off of a yahoo search. The Left can not stand the stat!

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    No fake news club! Actually got it off of a yahoo search. The Left can not stand the stat!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 12:29 PM ET #990

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    No fake news club! Actually got it off of a yahoo search. The Left can not stand the stat!



    i think it's wrong, but i'm not getting too much into this issue about how much he won the electoral college by and how much she won the popular vote by.  he won.  she lost.  time to move on. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    No fake news club! Actually got it off of a yahoo search. The Left can not stand the stat!



    i think it's wrong, but i'm not getting too much into this issue about how much he won the electoral college by and how much she won the popular vote by.  he won.  she lost.  time to move on. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 1:28 PM ET #991

    Yes. Let's see if the electors sabotage him.
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    Yes. Let's see if the electors sabotage him.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 2:27 PM ET #992

    Sundance, you were awesome in the beginning of this thread... I believed that the corrupt hag wouldn't motivate enough people to go vote for here which was accurate. I also believed that Trump being an outsider was in the perfect position. The working class has had enough of the multi-culturaism/climate change/illegal immigration b.s.

    What I couldn't get past was in 2012 the electorate re-elected the most incompetent president in modern times... The future once again looks bright and the working man will again have a shot at the American dream and societies leaches aren't going to continue to take advantage of the government as well as foreign governments & government contractors.... 
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    Sundance, you were awesome in the beginning of this thread... I believed that the corrupt hag wouldn't motivate enough people to go vote for here which was accurate. I also believed that Trump being an outsider was in the perfect position. The working class has had enough of the multi-culturaism/climate change/illegal immigration b.s.

    What I couldn't get past was in 2012 the electorate re-elected the most incompetent president in modern times... The future once again looks bright and the working man will again have a shot at the American dream and societies leaches aren't going to continue to take advantage of the government as well as foreign governments & government contractors.... 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 3:24 PM ET #993

    Thank you Killer_B. I agree 100%. Trump is on a mission! The country is in great hands.
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    Thank you Killer_B. I agree 100%. Trump is on a mission! The country is in great hands.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 9:30 PM ET #994

    I find it hilarious that anytime a statement is made thats more pro-conservative and anti-liberal, its automatically a lie and only from Fox News. Every election is basically 50/50 in the popular vote (Obama/Romney 51/47, Obama/McCain 52/45, Bush/Kerry 51/48). The country's always split down the middle so hopefully Trump, unlike Obama, can be relatively moderate so we can get things done. Nothings worse than a far left or far right president. 
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    I find it hilarious that anytime a statement is made thats more pro-conservative and anti-liberal, its automatically a lie and only from Fox News. Every election is basically 50/50 in the popular vote (Obama/Romney 51/47, Obama/McCain 52/45, Bush/Kerry 51/48). The country's always split down the middle so hopefully Trump, unlike Obama, can be relatively moderate so we can get things done. Nothings worse than a far left or far right president. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 11:35 PM ET #995

    Good point Stan. It's always pretty close, sometimes it comes down to hanging chads... HRC won California by a little under 4M votes and Trump campaigned there once knowing he had no chance. She won the popular vote by 2M, you'd think from the squeal on the left she won the pop by 50M... 

    Trump will do what's best for AMERICANS. We've been conditioned/trained that it's a "left" or "right" issue. I think that's about to go away...

    Fox News is #1 because of all the lying (according to the liberal idiots)... 11 people watch MSNBC nightly and 15 watch CNN (I wonder why?)
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    Good point Stan. It's always pretty close, sometimes it comes down to hanging chads... HRC won California by a little under 4M votes and Trump campaigned there once knowing he had no chance. She won the popular vote by 2M, you'd think from the squeal on the left she won the pop by 50M... 

    Trump will do what's best for AMERICANS. We've been conditioned/trained that it's a "left" or "right" issue. I think that's about to go away...

    Fox News is #1 because of all the lying (according to the liberal idiots)... 11 people watch MSNBC nightly and 15 watch CNN (I wonder why?)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    i think it's wrong, but i'm not getting too much into this issue about how much he won the electoral college by and how much she won the popular vote by.  he won.  she lost.  time to move on. 
    I know you weren't replying to me, but I was wondering why those who bet on Clinton didn't at least consider that Trump could pick up the rustbelt states of WI, MI, PA and OH. In the original post, WI and PA were considered "a stretch" for swing states. MI wasn't even mentioned as a possible swing state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    i think it's wrong, but i'm not getting too much into this issue about how much he won the electoral college by and how much she won the popular vote by.  he won.  she lost.  time to move on. 
    I know you weren't replying to me, but I was wondering why those who bet on Clinton didn't at least consider that Trump could pick up the rustbelt states of WI, MI, PA and OH. In the original post, WI and PA were considered "a stretch" for swing states. MI wasn't even mentioned as a possible swing state.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwahahaha:

    I know you weren't replying to me, but I was wondering why those who bet on Clinton didn't at least consider that Trump could pick up the rustbelt states of WI, MI, PA and OH. In the original post, WI and PA were considered "a stretch" for swing states. MI wasn't even mentioned as a possible swing state.



    i don't know.  i had two bets in the final election- hillary to win CO and VA.  i didn't bet more because i was pretty much maxed out at the books where the bets were offered.  i relied mostly on the polls and 538 so i was lucky to win those fairly easily. 

    as for trump bets, i considered betting him in GA and UT when those odds were in a reasonable range but never pulled the trigger.  i never thought to bet trump in places like PA, WI and Mi because i was looking for favorites that i thought were safe, kind of a different style of betting than what i do for the nfl.  however, the polls really failed people in some of these states and if you did approach betting to look for reasonably priced underdogs and upset situations (at least according to the polls), like i would for the nfl, that is where the good money was made. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwahahaha:

    I know you weren't replying to me, but I was wondering why those who bet on Clinton didn't at least consider that Trump could pick up the rustbelt states of WI, MI, PA and OH. In the original post, WI and PA were considered "a stretch" for swing states. MI wasn't even mentioned as a possible swing state.



    i don't know.  i had two bets in the final election- hillary to win CO and VA.  i didn't bet more because i was pretty much maxed out at the books where the bets were offered.  i relied mostly on the polls and 538 so i was lucky to win those fairly easily. 

    as for trump bets, i considered betting him in GA and UT when those odds were in a reasonable range but never pulled the trigger.  i never thought to bet trump in places like PA, WI and Mi because i was looking for favorites that i thought were safe, kind of a different style of betting than what i do for the nfl.  however, the polls really failed people in some of these states and if you did approach betting to look for reasonably priced underdogs and upset situations (at least according to the polls), like i would for the nfl, that is where the good money was made. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 10:56 PM ET #998

    YEAH, 2.4M MORE POPULAR VOTES IS NOTHING KILLER, JUST THE MOST IN HISTORY

    Ya might wanna check out the 1980 presidential election. 
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    YEAH, 2.4M MORE POPULAR VOTES IS NOTHING KILLER, JUST THE MOST IN HISTORY

    Ya might wanna check out the 1980 presidential election. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 11:50 PM ET #999

    QMich you are the most bitter person I've ever seen on this board - congratulations...

    By every measurable statistic the country is worse off after 8 years under the community organizer. Things are going to be changing for the better shortly. Do you want to see Trump succeed and improve the conditions of the country for the working man or are you that much of an ideologue that you wish things to get worse so you can be correct?

    When Obama was elected, I gave him a chance, I wanted him to succeed. I'll admit with no real experience in anything, I didn't see it as a possibility but I want my country to prosper and people not to walk around depressed because they're struggling.

    How am I fuked if Trump lowers my taxes? Stops illegals from taking jobs from Americans? Stops the influx of people from terrorist nations from getting in? Stops, or at least slows down the poison that comes over the border? Serious question. If he does any of that, are we not better off as a country?

    Fox News has liberals on all the time to make weak cases. Are the other cable shows better because they espouse 1 point of view constantly? Trump had everyone against him and he won. He won because he's brilliant and he's a winner. The witch is a 2-time loser who wouldn't of done sh*t for anybody but herself...
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    QMich you are the most bitter person I've ever seen on this board - congratulations...

    By every measurable statistic the country is worse off after 8 years under the community organizer. Things are going to be changing for the better shortly. Do you want to see Trump succeed and improve the conditions of the country for the working man or are you that much of an ideologue that you wish things to get worse so you can be correct?

    When Obama was elected, I gave him a chance, I wanted him to succeed. I'll admit with no real experience in anything, I didn't see it as a possibility but I want my country to prosper and people not to walk around depressed because they're struggling.

    How am I fuked if Trump lowers my taxes? Stops illegals from taking jobs from Americans? Stops the influx of people from terrorist nations from getting in? Stops, or at least slows down the poison that comes over the border? Serious question. If he does any of that, are we not better off as a country?

    Fox News has liberals on all the time to make weak cases. Are the other cable shows better because they espouse 1 point of view constantly? Trump had everyone against him and he won. He won because he's brilliant and he's a winner. The witch is a 2-time loser who wouldn't of done sh*t for anybody but herself...
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by QMICH:


    GREAT FICTIONAL STATS, GO BACK TO TWEETING BWAHA!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016 48.04% of the popular vote.

    Can you tell me where you're getting 54% from? Source?
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    Quote Originally Posted by QMICH:


    GREAT FICTIONAL STATS, GO BACK TO TWEETING BWAHA!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016 48.04% of the popular vote.

    Can you tell me where you're getting 54% from? Source?
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