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    wallstreetcappers
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2021 - 7:22 PM ET #26

    So which president was in office during Charlie Wilson's war? We have been in that area for decades with both political parties in control. How could this ever be a great exit?

    Making this partisan is moronic, the fact we were there for so long is a function of the business of war more than anything else. Corps have made hundreds of billions off this and we accomplished little to nothing but spending money and killing each other.

    Yeah its Biden's fault...what a stupid society we are.

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    So which president was in office during Charlie Wilson's war? We have been in that area for decades with both political parties in control. How could this ever be a great exit?

    Making this partisan is moronic, the fact we were there for so long is a function of the business of war more than anything else. Corps have made hundreds of billions off this and we accomplished little to nothing but spending money and killing each other.

    Yeah its Biden's fault...what a stupid society we are.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2021 - 7:37 PM ET #27

    @fullblown

     Sundance is very entertaining 

    in some ways he reminds of "Baghdad Bob" ( Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf), Media and Foreign Affairs Minister under Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in 2003

    Baghdad Bob appeared on TV daily to predict American failure and deny the Baghdad invasion--sometimes even as U.S. tanks appeared behind him.

     

    "Shock and awe? It seems that we are the awe on them. They are suffering from the shock and awe, okay?"    Baghdad Bob 

    Sounds like something Sundance would say   

     

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    @fullblown

     Sundance is very entertaining 

    in some ways he reminds of "Baghdad Bob" ( Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf), Media and Foreign Affairs Minister under Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in 2003

    Baghdad Bob appeared on TV daily to predict American failure and deny the Baghdad invasion--sometimes even as U.S. tanks appeared behind him.

     

    "Shock and awe? It seems that we are the awe on them. They are suffering from the shock and awe, okay?"    Baghdad Bob 

    Sounds like something Sundance would say   

     

    an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2021 - 7:40 PM ET #28

    Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated. 

    The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan.

     

     

     

     

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    Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated. 

    The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2021 - 7:55 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan.

     

    The Talibans also took over Afghanistan after the Soviet Union invasion.  Reagan and CIA helped them .

    they were called the Mujahideens back then 

    2 Republican Presidents, 2 Democrat Presidents  - 20 years . Trillions of dollars and American lives wasted 

    Afghanistan Religion: 99.7% Islam

    0.3% Others

    The majority of the population probably consider those Talibans their Muslim brothers (albeit hardcore ones)

    Fall of Kabul was a joke

    Over 250,000 trained Afghan soldiers with US guns and no resistance at all against Talibans 

    Rumor has it  that Afghan soldiers have not been getting paid for a while.

    President Ashraf Ghani fled with tons of cash .

    He was not given permission to land in Tajikistan, then he decided to go to Oman.
    Reuters quoted Russian news agency RIA to report that Ghani had to leave some money behind as it would not all "fit in".

    "Four cars were full of money, they tried to stuff another part of the money into a helicopter, but not all of it fit. And some of the money was left lying on the tarmac," Nikita Ishchenko, a spokesman for the Russian embassy in Kabul, was quoted as saying by RIA.

    Ischenko cited "witnesses" as the source of his information.

    US should have left a long time ago..  before the Iraq war 

    Get out of the Middle east as well

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan.

     

    The Talibans also took over Afghanistan after the Soviet Union invasion.  Reagan and CIA helped them .

    they were called the Mujahideens back then 

    2 Republican Presidents, 2 Democrat Presidents  - 20 years . Trillions of dollars and American lives wasted 

    Afghanistan Religion: 99.7% Islam

    0.3% Others

    The majority of the population probably consider those Talibans their Muslim brothers (albeit hardcore ones)

    Fall of Kabul was a joke

    Over 250,000 trained Afghan soldiers with US guns and no resistance at all against Talibans 

    Rumor has it  that Afghan soldiers have not been getting paid for a while.

    President Ashraf Ghani fled with tons of cash .

    He was not given permission to land in Tajikistan, then he decided to go to Oman.
    Reuters quoted Russian news agency RIA to report that Ghani had to leave some money behind as it would not all "fit in".

    "Four cars were full of money, they tried to stuff another part of the money into a helicopter, but not all of it fit. And some of the money was left lying on the tarmac," Nikita Ishchenko, a spokesman for the Russian embassy in Kabul, was quoted as saying by RIA.

    Ischenko cited "witnesses" as the source of his information.

    US should have left a long time ago..  before the Iraq war 

    Get out of the Middle east as well

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2021 - 7:59 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    @fullblown

     Sundance is very entertaining 

    in some ways he reminds of "Baghdad Bob" ( Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf), Media and Foreign Affairs Minister under Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in 2003

    Baghdad Bob appeared on TV daily to predict American failure and deny the Baghdad invasion--sometimes even as U.S. tanks appeared behind him.

     

    "Shock and awe? It seems that we are the awe on them. They are suffering from the shock and awe, okay?"    Baghdad Bob 

    Sounds like something Sundance would say   

     

    an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laugh

     

    One could conclude that, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    @fullblown

     Sundance is very entertaining 

    in some ways he reminds of "Baghdad Bob" ( Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf), Media and Foreign Affairs Minister under Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in 2003

    Baghdad Bob appeared on TV daily to predict American failure and deny the Baghdad invasion--sometimes even as U.S. tanks appeared behind him.

     

    "Shock and awe? It seems that we are the awe on them. They are suffering from the shock and awe, okay?"    Baghdad Bob 

    Sounds like something Sundance would say   

     

    an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laugh

     

    One could conclude that, yes.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2021 - 9:49 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan.

    Do you know the impossibility of what you are suggesting? That area is mountains and mountains and mountains...you cant blow it all up, that is the oddest idea Ive ever heard. The issue of terrain is why this mess can never be resolved, its not a war anyone can win, the terrain is terrible and too many unknown groups and factions involved. We went in to cut off the Soviets and we got stuck end of story. Blame corps and the CIA for keeping this money sucking life losing mess going for multiple decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan.

    Do you know the impossibility of what you are suggesting? That area is mountains and mountains and mountains...you cant blow it all up, that is the oddest idea Ive ever heard. The issue of terrain is why this mess can never be resolved, its not a war anyone can win, the terrain is terrible and too many unknown groups and factions involved. We went in to cut off the Soviets and we got stuck end of story. Blame corps and the CIA for keeping this money sucking life losing mess going for multiple decades.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2021 - 10:11 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan. Do you know the impossibility of what you are suggesting? That area is mountains and mountains and mountains...you cant blow it all up, that is the oddest idea Ive ever heard. The issue of terrain is why this mess can never be resolved, its not a war anyone can win, the terrain is terrible and too many unknown groups and factions involved. We went in to cut off the Soviets and we got stuck end of story. Blame corps and the CIA for keeping this money sucking life losing mess going for multiple decades.

    You don't let the Taliban move all their asserts in 5 mile long convoys. We certainly have the  military capability to destroy the convoys of the Taliban before they move into the Palace in Kabul. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan. Do you know the impossibility of what you are suggesting? That area is mountains and mountains and mountains...you cant blow it all up, that is the oddest idea Ive ever heard. The issue of terrain is why this mess can never be resolved, its not a war anyone can win, the terrain is terrible and too many unknown groups and factions involved. We went in to cut off the Soviets and we got stuck end of story. Blame corps and the CIA for keeping this money sucking life losing mess going for multiple decades.

    You don't let the Taliban move all their asserts in 5 mile long convoys. We certainly have the  military capability to destroy the convoys of the Taliban before they move into the Palace in Kabul. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2021 - 10:27 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan. Do you know the impossibility of what you are suggesting? That area is mountains and mountains and mountains...you cant blow it all up, that is the oddest idea Ive ever heard. The issue of terrain is why this mess can never be resolved, its not a war anyone can win, the terrain is terrible and too many unknown groups and factions involved. We went in to cut off the Soviets and we got stuck end of story. Blame corps and the CIA for keeping this money sucking life losing mess going for multiple decades. You don't let the Taliban move all their asserts in 5 mile long convoys. We certainly have the  military capability to destroy the convoys of the Taliban before they move into the Palace in Kabul.

    They have been part of this 40 year chess match, ya think they might have learned a thing or two about how to play the game? These tactical thinking kind of messes we have been involved with seem to be the ones we struggle with. It we cant run the enemy over or missle them to the ground we seem mismatched with the ground tactical type of warfare..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan. Do you know the impossibility of what you are suggesting? That area is mountains and mountains and mountains...you cant blow it all up, that is the oddest idea Ive ever heard. The issue of terrain is why this mess can never be resolved, its not a war anyone can win, the terrain is terrible and too many unknown groups and factions involved. We went in to cut off the Soviets and we got stuck end of story. Blame corps and the CIA for keeping this money sucking life losing mess going for multiple decades. You don't let the Taliban move all their asserts in 5 mile long convoys. We certainly have the  military capability to destroy the convoys of the Taliban before they move into the Palace in Kabul.

    They have been part of this 40 year chess match, ya think they might have learned a thing or two about how to play the game? These tactical thinking kind of messes we have been involved with seem to be the ones we struggle with. It we cant run the enemy over or missle them to the ground we seem mismatched with the ground tactical type of warfare..

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2021 - 10:42 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan. Do you know the impossibility of what you are suggesting? That area is mountains and mountains and mountains...you cant blow it all up, that is the oddest idea Ive ever heard. The issue of terrain is why this mess can never be resolved, its not a war anyone can win, the terrain is terrible and too many unknown groups and factions involved. We went in to cut off the Soviets and we got stuck end of story. Blame corps and the CIA for keeping this money sucking life losing mess going for multiple decades. You don't let the Taliban move all their asserts in 5 mile long convoys. We certainly have the  military capability to destroy the convoys of the Taliban before they move into the Palace in Kabul. They have been part of this 40 year chess match, ya think they might have learned a thing or two about how to play the game? These tactical thinking kind of messes we have been involved with seem to be the ones we struggle with. It we cant run the enemy over or missle them to the ground we seem mismatched with the ground tactical type of warfare..

    I agree WSC. Huge advantage for the Taliban in the mountains, tough terrain and altitude. I will just leave it at this. We allowed the Taliban to take over the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan. Do you know the impossibility of what you are suggesting? That area is mountains and mountains and mountains...you cant blow it all up, that is the oddest idea Ive ever heard. The issue of terrain is why this mess can never be resolved, its not a war anyone can win, the terrain is terrible and too many unknown groups and factions involved. We went in to cut off the Soviets and we got stuck end of story. Blame corps and the CIA for keeping this money sucking life losing mess going for multiple decades. You don't let the Taliban move all their asserts in 5 mile long convoys. We certainly have the  military capability to destroy the convoys of the Taliban before they move into the Palace in Kabul. They have been part of this 40 year chess match, ya think they might have learned a thing or two about how to play the game? These tactical thinking kind of messes we have been involved with seem to be the ones we struggle with. It we cant run the enemy over or missle them to the ground we seem mismatched with the ground tactical type of warfare..

    I agree WSC. Huge advantage for the Taliban in the mountains, tough terrain and altitude. I will just leave it at this. We allowed the Taliban to take over the country.

     
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    It’s their country
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    It’s their country
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan. Do you know the impossibility of what you are suggesting? That area is mountains and mountains and mountains...you cant blow it all up, that is the oddest idea Ive ever heard. The issue of terrain is why this mess can never be resolved, its not a war anyone can win, the terrain is terrible and too many unknown groups and factions involved. We went in to cut off the Soviets and we got stuck end of story. Blame corps and the CIA for keeping this money sucking life losing mess going for multiple decades. You don't let the Taliban move all their asserts in 5 mile long convoys. We certainly have the  military capability to destroy the convoys of the Taliban before they move into the Palace in Kabul. They have been part of this 40 year chess match, ya think they might have learned a thing or two about how to play the game? These tactical thinking kind of messes we have been involved with seem to be the ones we struggle with. It we cant run the enemy over or missle them to the ground we seem mismatched with the ground tactical type of warfare..

    true .

    that and rump had reduced our forces after losing the election all the way down to just 2,500

    there were more people in one end of endzones seats at the raiders new football stadium than us troops left in afghanistan after rump withdrew them . and he and pompeo negotiated a deal which allowed the taliban to do pretty much whatever they wanted with the only opposition being the afghan army after rump reduced our troops to just 2,500

    rumps deal   and over one full year for the taliban to prepare  is what allowed them to takeover so quickly

    they terrorized the afghanis with murder and other reprisals if they didnt surrender . they had  a year to plan this thanks to rump  and the deal to leave the taliban alone .

    if rump was still in office the exact same thing would have happened in april as the troops would depart before may 1 deadline

    no reason to believe otherwise

    and all this began with the bush republican admin

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Let's try this. At the absolute very least. joe biden deserted our allies. He should have made sure all of the Afghani's who  helped us honorably for 20 years were safely relocated.  The great exit would be a scorched earth exit with everybody who helped us  relocated along with their families. The Taliban were actually enabled to move fighters, vehicles and weapons in 5 mile convoys without being destroyed. We allowed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan. Do you know the impossibility of what you are suggesting? That area is mountains and mountains and mountains...you cant blow it all up, that is the oddest idea Ive ever heard. The issue of terrain is why this mess can never be resolved, its not a war anyone can win, the terrain is terrible and too many unknown groups and factions involved. We went in to cut off the Soviets and we got stuck end of story. Blame corps and the CIA for keeping this money sucking life losing mess going for multiple decades. You don't let the Taliban move all their asserts in 5 mile long convoys. We certainly have the  military capability to destroy the convoys of the Taliban before they move into the Palace in Kabul. They have been part of this 40 year chess match, ya think they might have learned a thing or two about how to play the game? These tactical thinking kind of messes we have been involved with seem to be the ones we struggle with. It we cant run the enemy over or missle them to the ground we seem mismatched with the ground tactical type of warfare..

    true .

    that and rump had reduced our forces after losing the election all the way down to just 2,500

    there were more people in one end of endzones seats at the raiders new football stadium than us troops left in afghanistan after rump withdrew them . and he and pompeo negotiated a deal which allowed the taliban to do pretty much whatever they wanted with the only opposition being the afghan army after rump reduced our troops to just 2,500

    rumps deal   and over one full year for the taliban to prepare  is what allowed them to takeover so quickly

    they terrorized the afghanis with murder and other reprisals if they didnt surrender . they had  a year to plan this thanks to rump  and the deal to leave the taliban alone .

    if rump was still in office the exact same thing would have happened in april as the troops would depart before may 1 deadline

    no reason to believe otherwise

    and all this began with the bush republican admin

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiek:

    It’s their country

    You tell that to the women of Afghanistan along with the loyal Afghani's who served joe biden with honor and decency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiek:

    It’s their country

    You tell that to the women of Afghanistan along with the loyal Afghani's who served joe biden with honor and decency.

     
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    Doesn’t make it our fight
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    Doesn’t make it our fight
     
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    The link below is Jen Psaki's next press conference!

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    The link below is Jen Psaki's next press conference!

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     The Afghans allowed the Taliban to take over the country. I hope someone tracks down & destroys Ghani for deserting his country

    The book, The Outpost by Jake Tapper, expertly speaks of the terrain issues our soldiers faced. Helicopters couldn't land close enough to remove our wounded or to supply our men and women with food/ammo.

    I highly recommend it. Tapper spends plenty of time explaining who these soldiers were, where they came from & their frustrations with the chain of command in a battlefield environment. 

     

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    @sundance

     The Afghans allowed the Taliban to take over the country. I hope someone tracks down & destroys Ghani for deserting his country

    The book, The Outpost by Jake Tapper, expertly speaks of the terrain issues our soldiers faced. Helicopters couldn't land close enough to remove our wounded or to supply our men and women with food/ammo.

    I highly recommend it. Tapper spends plenty of time explaining who these soldiers were, where they came from & their frustrations with the chain of command in a battlefield environment. 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiek:

    Doesn’t make it our fight

    true .

    we authorized our president by resolution to go after the 9-11 terrorists and find and eliminate the so called weapons of mass destruction and 'imminent threat' in iraq ( which never existed)  we did not authorize longterm occupation of the countries and nation building in our democratic image  at unbelievable crippling expense to the american taxpayers

    the republicans who started it all failed to do either but they did succeed in routing al queda

    which is when we should have left  long before obama took office

    but the republicans failed at that juncture too

    obama/biden  got bin laden   , but they also had the opportunity to get out and failed just like the republicans . obama even surged the troops more

    then rump had 4 yrs to get us out and failed .

    but not before he depleted our troops to just 2,500 and gave the taliban a 'free-pass' pseudo non agression deal and a full year to prepare to quickly takeover the country

    rump also could have begun the process of getting our afghan interpreters and their families out , since he made a deal to leave and had almost 11 months to do it . but he refused !! an_light

    this departure is 13-16 years too late . the situation was and is inevitable

    i feel for the afghan people particularly the women who will subject to draconian rules of rape and slavery

    but like sheik said its not our fight . never was .  its a civil war in a foreign country . we can help in  other ways without an occupying force

    joe biden lost a son in a war that never shouldve happened . rump is a draft dodger

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiek:

    Doesn’t make it our fight

    true .

    we authorized our president by resolution to go after the 9-11 terrorists and find and eliminate the so called weapons of mass destruction and 'imminent threat' in iraq ( which never existed)  we did not authorize longterm occupation of the countries and nation building in our democratic image  at unbelievable crippling expense to the american taxpayers

    the republicans who started it all failed to do either but they did succeed in routing al queda

    which is when we should have left  long before obama took office

    but the republicans failed at that juncture too

    obama/biden  got bin laden   , but they also had the opportunity to get out and failed just like the republicans . obama even surged the troops more

    then rump had 4 yrs to get us out and failed .

    but not before he depleted our troops to just 2,500 and gave the taliban a 'free-pass' pseudo non agression deal and a full year to prepare to quickly takeover the country

    rump also could have begun the process of getting our afghan interpreters and their families out , since he made a deal to leave and had almost 11 months to do it . but he refused !! an_light

    this departure is 13-16 years too late . the situation was and is inevitable

    i feel for the afghan people particularly the women who will subject to draconian rules of rape and slavery

    but like sheik said its not our fight . never was .  its a civil war in a foreign country . we can help in  other ways without an occupying force

    joe biden lost a son in a war that never shouldve happened . rump is a draft dodger

     

     

     
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    So if following the argument some Democrats are making, if Biden is beholden to Trump’s deals, how did he shut down Keystone about five minutes after taking office?

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    So if following the argument some Democrats are making, if Biden is beholden to Trump’s deals, how did he shut down Keystone about five minutes after taking office?

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    "name any candidate who would have benefited more from a pandemic that forced him to campaign from his basement. In short, Biden was perfectly cast to defeat Trump in the weird year that was 2020—and even then, the election was still too close for comfort."

    "But being the right candidate to beat Trump did not make Biden the right candidate to actually become president. If this wasn’t already clear, it is now."

    "Biden has been laughably wrong on every major foreign policy decision for decades, so why would we expect him to get this right? When you consider his many previous gaffes (“you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent”) and mistakes (“Stand up, Chuck!”),"

    "What is happening now is what we should’ve expected. Just as the Taliban are doing Taliban things, this is Biden being Biden."

    "On Monday, Biden took a break from his Camp David vacation to give an address at the White House that hardly acknowledged the disaster unfolding on his watch and live on our screens. Instead, he blamed his predecessor"

    "He also blamed “Afghanistan political leaders (who) gave up and fled the country”—and an Afghanistan military that wouldn’t fight for its own. It was a transparent attempt to change the subject from Biden’s bumbling and humiliating retreat to whether we should be in Afghanistan in the first place."

    "he made a reckless decision that ignored the advice of military leaders and then gave a speech that demonstrated belligerence and stubbornness while insisting Americans should believe him, instead of their lying eyes. Biden vowed he wouldn't allow another Saigon on his watch, and now it's happening though you'd never know it listening to his speech on Monday before he walked off to return to Camp David without taking questions."

    Who am I quoting?

    Tucker Carlson???

    Maybe Sean Hannity???

    Nope, this is from Matt Lewis of The Daily Beast.

    The cracks grow wider!!!!

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    "name any candidate who would have benefited more from a pandemic that forced him to campaign from his basement. In short, Biden was perfectly cast to defeat Trump in the weird year that was 2020—and even then, the election was still too close for comfort."

    "But being the right candidate to beat Trump did not make Biden the right candidate to actually become president. If this wasn’t already clear, it is now."

    "Biden has been laughably wrong on every major foreign policy decision for decades, so why would we expect him to get this right? When you consider his many previous gaffes (“you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent”) and mistakes (“Stand up, Chuck!”),"

    "What is happening now is what we should’ve expected. Just as the Taliban are doing Taliban things, this is Biden being Biden."

    "On Monday, Biden took a break from his Camp David vacation to give an address at the White House that hardly acknowledged the disaster unfolding on his watch and live on our screens. Instead, he blamed his predecessor"

    "He also blamed “Afghanistan political leaders (who) gave up and fled the country”—and an Afghanistan military that wouldn’t fight for its own. It was a transparent attempt to change the subject from Biden’s bumbling and humiliating retreat to whether we should be in Afghanistan in the first place."

    "he made a reckless decision that ignored the advice of military leaders and then gave a speech that demonstrated belligerence and stubbornness while insisting Americans should believe him, instead of their lying eyes. Biden vowed he wouldn't allow another Saigon on his watch, and now it's happening though you'd never know it listening to his speech on Monday before he walked off to return to Camp David without taking questions."

    Who am I quoting?

    Tucker Carlson???

    Maybe Sean Hannity???

    Nope, this is from Matt Lewis of The Daily Beast.

    The cracks grow wider!!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @sundance  The Afghans allowed the Taliban to take over the country. I hope someone tracks down & destroys Ghani for deserting his country The book, The Outpost by Jake Tapper, expertly speaks of the terrain issues our soldiers faced. Helicopters couldn't land close enough to remove our wounded or to supply our men and women with food/ammo. I highly recommend it. Tapper spends plenty of time explaining who these soldiers were, where they came from & their frustrations with the chain of command in a battlefield environment.

    Thanks for the post. I can not stand Tapper but he can write. I might just buy the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @sundance  The Afghans allowed the Taliban to take over the country. I hope someone tracks down & destroys Ghani for deserting his country The book, The Outpost by Jake Tapper, expertly speaks of the terrain issues our soldiers faced. Helicopters couldn't land close enough to remove our wounded or to supply our men and women with food/ammo. I highly recommend it. Tapper spends plenty of time explaining who these soldiers were, where they came from & their frustrations with the chain of command in a battlefield environment.

    Thanks for the post. I can not stand Tapper but he can write. I might just buy the book.

     
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    @sundance

     

    as to the Afghanis who helped us, why did 16 republicans vote NO to speed up their visas so they could get out of there faster?  did you know that Einstien??

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    as to the Afghanis who helped us, why did 16 republicans vote NO to speed up their visas so they could get out of there faster?  did you know that Einstien??

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    "name any candidate who would have benefited more from a pandemic that forced him to campaign from his basement. In short, Biden was perfectly cast to defeat Trump in the weird year that was 2020—and even then, the election was still too close for comfort." "But being the right candidate to beat Trump did not make Biden the right candidate to actually become president. If this wasn’t already clear, it is now." "Biden has been laughably wrong on every major foreign policy decision for decades, so why would we expect him to get this right? When you consider his many previous gaffes (“you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent”) and mistakes (“Stand up, Chuck!”)," "What is happening now is what we should’ve expected. Just as the Taliban are doing Taliban things, this is Biden being Biden." "On Monday, Biden took a break from his Camp David vacation to give an address at the White House that hardly acknowledged the disaster unfolding on his watch and live on our screens. Instead, he blamed his predecessor" "He also blamed “Afghanistan political leaders (who) gave up and fled the country”—and an Afghanistan military that wouldn’t fight for its own. It was a transparent attempt to change the subject from Biden’s bumbling and humiliating retreat to whether we should be in Afghanistan in the first place." "he made a reckless decision that ignored the advice of military leaders and then gave a speech that demonstrated belligerence and stubbornness while insisting Americans should believe him, instead of their lying eyes. Biden vowed he wouldn't allow another Saigon on his watch, and now it's happening though you'd never know it listening to his speech on Monday before he walked off to return to Camp David without taking questions." Who am I quoting? Tucker Carlson??? Maybe Sean Hannity??? Nope, this is from Matt Lewis of The Daily Beast. The cracks grow wider!!!!

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    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    "name any candidate who would have benefited more from a pandemic that forced him to campaign from his basement. In short, Biden was perfectly cast to defeat Trump in the weird year that was 2020—and even then, the election was still too close for comfort." "But being the right candidate to beat Trump did not make Biden the right candidate to actually become president. If this wasn’t already clear, it is now." "Biden has been laughably wrong on every major foreign policy decision for decades, so why would we expect him to get this right? When you consider his many previous gaffes (“you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent”) and mistakes (“Stand up, Chuck!”)," "What is happening now is what we should’ve expected. Just as the Taliban are doing Taliban things, this is Biden being Biden." "On Monday, Biden took a break from his Camp David vacation to give an address at the White House that hardly acknowledged the disaster unfolding on his watch and live on our screens. Instead, he blamed his predecessor" "He also blamed “Afghanistan political leaders (who) gave up and fled the country”—and an Afghanistan military that wouldn’t fight for its own. It was a transparent attempt to change the subject from Biden’s bumbling and humiliating retreat to whether we should be in Afghanistan in the first place." "he made a reckless decision that ignored the advice of military leaders and then gave a speech that demonstrated belligerence and stubbornness while insisting Americans should believe him, instead of their lying eyes. Biden vowed he wouldn't allow another Saigon on his watch, and now it's happening though you'd never know it listening to his speech on Monday before he walked off to return to Camp David without taking questions." Who am I quoting? Tucker Carlson??? Maybe Sean Hannity??? Nope, this is from Matt Lewis of The Daily Beast. The cracks grow wider!!!!

    goodpost

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    So which president was in office during Charlie Wilson's war? We have been in that area for decades with both political parties in control. How could this ever be a great exit? Making this partisan is moronic, the fact we were there for so long is a function of the business of war more than anything else. Corps have made hundreds of billions off this and we accomplished little to nothing but spending money and killing each other. Yeah its Biden's fault...what a stupid society we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    So which president was in office during Charlie Wilson's war? We have been in that area for decades with both political parties in control. How could this ever be a great exit? Making this partisan is moronic, the fact we were there for so long is a function of the business of war more than anything else. Corps have made hundreds of billions off this and we accomplished little to nothing but spending money and killing each other. Yeah its Biden's fault...what a stupid society we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBlack:

    @sundance   as to the Afghanis who helped us, why did 16 republicans vote NO to speed up their visas so they could get out of there faster?  did you know that Einstien??

    Here is what I know at this specific moment. joe biden is a traitor for stranding, leaving and abandoning up to an estimated 40,000 American's in the hell hole called Afghanistan. joe truly is pathetic! 68% of American voters knew this in November by voting for President Trump!

    joe needs to go asap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBlack:

    @sundance   as to the Afghanis who helped us, why did 16 republicans vote NO to speed up their visas so they could get out of there faster?  did you know that Einstien??

    Here is what I know at this specific moment. joe biden is a traitor for stranding, leaving and abandoning up to an estimated 40,000 American's in the hell hole called Afghanistan. joe truly is pathetic! 68% of American voters knew this in November by voting for President Trump!

    joe needs to go asap!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBlack: @sundance   as to the Afghanis who helped us, why did 16 republicans vote NO to speed up their visas so they could get out of there faster?  did you know that Einstien?? Here is what I know at this specific moment. joe biden is a traitor for stranding, leaving and abandoning up to an estimated 40,000 American's in the hell hole called Afghanistan. joe truly is pathetic! 68% of American voters knew this in November by voting for President Trump! joe needs to go asap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBlack: @sundance   as to the Afghanis who helped us, why did 16 republicans vote NO to speed up their visas so they could get out of there faster?  did you know that Einstien?? Here is what I know at this specific moment. joe biden is a traitor for stranding, leaving and abandoning up to an estimated 40,000 American's in the hell hole called Afghanistan. joe truly is pathetic! 68% of American voters knew this in November by voting for President Trump! joe needs to go asap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @sundance

     The Afghans allowed the Taliban to take over the country.

    I hope someone tracks down & destroys Ghani for deserting his country

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    I hope someone tracks down & destroys Ghani for deserting his country

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