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    Raiders22
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2024 - 9:25 AM ET #51

    @joe pockets

     

    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    @Raiders22   You misunderstood, those were some of the issues the right “ Trump “ ran his campaign!

    No sir.  I was addressing your direct questioning of Musk.  Those were the issues that he is supposedly looking into addressing.

    My question is still the same.  What are your thoughts on those?

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    @Raiders22   You misunderstood, those were some of the issues the right “ Trump “ ran his campaign!

    No sir.  I was addressing your direct questioning of Musk.  Those were the issues that he is supposedly looking into addressing.

    My question is still the same.  What are your thoughts on those?

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2024 - 9:29 AM ET #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: What is the 'tax cuts for billionaires' that you seem worried about? Trump 2017 tax act delivered one of the largest tax cuts for the super rich in US history.  Richest 0.1% of Americans received a tax cut 277 times larger than that of middle class households.  Adding billions to federal deficits while failing to increase economic growth.  Now greedy billionaires want to preserve their massive windfall.  Due to decades of tax cuts, there isn't enough revenue for US investment needs and social programs.  However extending dangerous tax cuts would do more damage. All nonsense So you don’t think it’s time to start rethinking economic regulations. Or make a tax code where it is comprehensible to a layman. ? It wouldn’t be hard! Why don’t Republicans like Musk, & Trump stand on there bully pulpit and tell there minions these changes make the system crystal clear and they will know for sure that everyone is paying their fair share of taxes!

    No.  I am saying all of the stuff that was posted in that post is obvious Leftist talking points and has nothing to do with what I was addressing to you.

    That user just does that to try to swerve the topic to other issues to try to avoid a losing stance. 

    The whole idea of tax-cuts has been addressed many, many times elsewhere.  That posted is wrong about it and always has been.

    The questions you just asked about that particular post has nothing at all to do with what was said.  

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: What is the 'tax cuts for billionaires' that you seem worried about? Trump 2017 tax act delivered one of the largest tax cuts for the super rich in US history.  Richest 0.1% of Americans received a tax cut 277 times larger than that of middle class households.  Adding billions to federal deficits while failing to increase economic growth.  Now greedy billionaires want to preserve their massive windfall.  Due to decades of tax cuts, there isn't enough revenue for US investment needs and social programs.  However extending dangerous tax cuts would do more damage. All nonsense So you don’t think it’s time to start rethinking economic regulations. Or make a tax code where it is comprehensible to a layman. ? It wouldn’t be hard! Why don’t Republicans like Musk, & Trump stand on there bully pulpit and tell there minions these changes make the system crystal clear and they will know for sure that everyone is paying their fair share of taxes!

    No.  I am saying all of the stuff that was posted in that post is obvious Leftist talking points and has nothing to do with what I was addressing to you.

    That user just does that to try to swerve the topic to other issues to try to avoid a losing stance. 

    The whole idea of tax-cuts has been addressed many, many times elsewhere.  That posted is wrong about it and always has been.

    The questions you just asked about that particular post has nothing at all to do with what was said.  

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2024 - 10:31 AM ET #53

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     Well if you are lumping me into some left group you are quite wrong with this summary. Ive disliked Musk for a very very long time and long before this Trump scheme. I find Musk to be an abusive, condescending loud mouth who has built his fortune off the federal government and treats his employees like trash. I dont care which political side he is on my points are not about a political party rather that the conflict of interest he has disqualifies him from any government interaction and he is the last person who should be giving financial analysis to anyone, including pitching annuities to senior citizens. 

    The concept of carbon credits might have merit as it is meant to motivate carbon producers to either find ways to minimize their impact or pay for polluting the environment with carbon. The fact these were given to a company who should not receive them and that he sells them to other companies AND that these credits are a substantial percentage of his profits and thus his stock price and thus his net worth is absurd. Then you add on federal tax credits and then you add on ZIRP and there you have my summary. Musk has built BILLIONS in fortune squarely off the back of the taxpayer and the federal government. There is no example that exists of another individual who has bilked the government for the quantity of wealth that Musk has. Bezos locked away operating losses to offset future tax liability but he did not have ZIRP, Musk did AND operating losses, AND carbon credits AND a federal tax credit for cars AND solar panel install...AND he has been able to exploit operating in China, producing parts and vehicles to escape tariffs. The guy is a scammer period, and I would say the same if he were considered for Biden or Harris or Obama to slash government spending.

    Before you summarize me it is best to know me, dont lump me into your partisan nonsense especially when the bulk of my contention is NOT partisan.

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     Well if you are lumping me into some left group you are quite wrong with this summary. Ive disliked Musk for a very very long time and long before this Trump scheme. I find Musk to be an abusive, condescending loud mouth who has built his fortune off the federal government and treats his employees like trash. I dont care which political side he is on my points are not about a political party rather that the conflict of interest he has disqualifies him from any government interaction and he is the last person who should be giving financial analysis to anyone, including pitching annuities to senior citizens. 

    The concept of carbon credits might have merit as it is meant to motivate carbon producers to either find ways to minimize their impact or pay for polluting the environment with carbon. The fact these were given to a company who should not receive them and that he sells them to other companies AND that these credits are a substantial percentage of his profits and thus his stock price and thus his net worth is absurd. Then you add on federal tax credits and then you add on ZIRP and there you have my summary. Musk has built BILLIONS in fortune squarely off the back of the taxpayer and the federal government. There is no example that exists of another individual who has bilked the government for the quantity of wealth that Musk has. Bezos locked away operating losses to offset future tax liability but he did not have ZIRP, Musk did AND operating losses, AND carbon credits AND a federal tax credit for cars AND solar panel install...AND he has been able to exploit operating in China, producing parts and vehicles to escape tariffs. The guy is a scammer period, and I would say the same if he were considered for Biden or Harris or Obama to slash government spending.

    Before you summarize me it is best to know me, dont lump me into your partisan nonsense especially when the bulk of my contention is NOT partisan.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2024 - 7:42 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @joe pockets   Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: What is the 'tax cuts for billionaires' that you seem worried about? Trump 2017 tax act delivered one of the largest tax cuts for the super rich in US history.  Richest 0.1% of Americans received a tax cut 277 times larger than that of middle class households.  Adding billions to federal deficits while failing to increase economic growth.  Now greedy billionaires want to preserve their massive windfall.  Due to decades of tax cuts, there isn't enough revenue for US investment needs and social programs.  However extending dangerous tax cuts would do more damage. All nonsense So you don’t think it’s time to start rethinking economic regulations. Or make a tax code where it is comprehensible to a layman. ? It wouldn’t be hard! Why don’t Republicans like Musk, & Trump stand on there bully pulpit and tell there minions these changes make the system crystal clear and they will know for sure that everyone is paying their fair share of taxes! No.  I am saying all of the stuff that was posted in that post is obvious Leftist talking points and has nothing to do with what I was addressing to you. That user just does that to try to swerve the topic to other issues to try to avoid a losing stance.  The whole idea of tax-cuts has been addressed many, many times elsewhere.  That posted is wrong about it and always has been. The questions you just asked about that particular post has nothing at all to do with what was said.

     

    obvious Leftist talking points ! ……And the rights rebuttal is we pay all the tax’s but after loopholes, devaluation, depreciation, etc etc etc …Oh and how the next president does his  by flat out lying and blame the accountant…they pay zero in many cases ! …I think we’ve been through this but again it not a talking point it fact!….Quite frankly it’s insulting the fact is after all the Tax avoidance strategies a billionaire pays less percentage then a teacher or a manager at a Good year tire shop..Radier you know this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @joe pockets   Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: What is the 'tax cuts for billionaires' that you seem worried about? Trump 2017 tax act delivered one of the largest tax cuts for the super rich in US history.  Richest 0.1% of Americans received a tax cut 277 times larger than that of middle class households.  Adding billions to federal deficits while failing to increase economic growth.  Now greedy billionaires want to preserve their massive windfall.  Due to decades of tax cuts, there isn't enough revenue for US investment needs and social programs.  However extending dangerous tax cuts would do more damage. All nonsense So you don’t think it’s time to start rethinking economic regulations. Or make a tax code where it is comprehensible to a layman. ? It wouldn’t be hard! Why don’t Republicans like Musk, & Trump stand on there bully pulpit and tell there minions these changes make the system crystal clear and they will know for sure that everyone is paying their fair share of taxes! No.  I am saying all of the stuff that was posted in that post is obvious Leftist talking points and has nothing to do with what I was addressing to you. That user just does that to try to swerve the topic to other issues to try to avoid a losing stance.  The whole idea of tax-cuts has been addressed many, many times elsewhere.  That posted is wrong about it and always has been. The questions you just asked about that particular post has nothing at all to do with what was said.

     

    obvious Leftist talking points ! ……And the rights rebuttal is we pay all the tax’s but after loopholes, devaluation, depreciation, etc etc etc …Oh and how the next president does his  by flat out lying and blame the accountant…they pay zero in many cases ! …I think we’ve been through this but again it not a talking point it fact!….Quite frankly it’s insulting the fact is after all the Tax avoidance strategies a billionaire pays less percentage then a teacher or a manager at a Good year tire shop..Radier you know this!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2024 - 9:33 PM ET #55

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     No.  The poster is wrong about all of that. peace_5

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    @joe pockets

     No.  The poster is wrong about all of that. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2024 - 9:43 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @BigGame90  Well if you are lumping me into some left group you are quite wrong with this summary. Ive disliked Musk for a very very long time and long before this Trump scheme. I find Musk to be an abusive, condescending loud mouth who has built his fortune off the federal government and treats his employees like trash. I dont care which political side he is on my points are not about a political party rather that the conflict of interest he has disqualifies him from any government interaction and he is the last person who should be giving financial analysis to anyone, including pitching annuities to senior citizens.  The concept of carbon credits might have merit as it is meant to motivate carbon producers to either find ways to minimize their impact or pay for polluting the environment with carbon. The fact these were given to a company who should not receive them and that he sells them to other companies AND that these credits are a substantial percentage of his profits and thus his stock price and thus his net worth is absurd. Then you add on federal tax credits and then you add on ZIRP and there you have my summary. Musk has built BILLIONS in fortune squarely off the back of the taxpayer and the federal government. There is no example that exists of another individual who has bilked the government for the quantity of wealth that Musk has. Bezos locked away operating losses to offset future tax liability but he did not have ZIRP, Musk did AND operating losses, AND carbon credits AND a federal tax credit for cars AND solar panel install...AND he has been able to exploit operating in China, producing parts and vehicles to escape tariffs. The guy is a scammer period, and I would say the same if he were considered for Biden or Harris or Obama to slash government spending. Before you summarize me it is best to know me, dont lump me into your partisan nonsense especially when the bulk of my contention is NOT partisan.

    I’m not a Republican ……

    and I don’t have “ a group  “ .

    In fact I’m the epitome of not partisan . 

    wallstreetcappers craps in his draws and pees fuckin backwards from his vaj with a squirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @BigGame90  Well if you are lumping me into some left group you are quite wrong with this summary. Ive disliked Musk for a very very long time and long before this Trump scheme. I find Musk to be an abusive, condescending loud mouth who has built his fortune off the federal government and treats his employees like trash. I dont care which political side he is on my points are not about a political party rather that the conflict of interest he has disqualifies him from any government interaction and he is the last person who should be giving financial analysis to anyone, including pitching annuities to senior citizens.  The concept of carbon credits might have merit as it is meant to motivate carbon producers to either find ways to minimize their impact or pay for polluting the environment with carbon. The fact these were given to a company who should not receive them and that he sells them to other companies AND that these credits are a substantial percentage of his profits and thus his stock price and thus his net worth is absurd. Then you add on federal tax credits and then you add on ZIRP and there you have my summary. Musk has built BILLIONS in fortune squarely off the back of the taxpayer and the federal government. There is no example that exists of another individual who has bilked the government for the quantity of wealth that Musk has. Bezos locked away operating losses to offset future tax liability but he did not have ZIRP, Musk did AND operating losses, AND carbon credits AND a federal tax credit for cars AND solar panel install...AND he has been able to exploit operating in China, producing parts and vehicles to escape tariffs. The guy is a scammer period, and I would say the same if he were considered for Biden or Harris or Obama to slash government spending. Before you summarize me it is best to know me, dont lump me into your partisan nonsense especially when the bulk of my contention is NOT partisan.

    I’m not a Republican ……

    and I don’t have “ a group  “ .

    In fact I’m the epitome of not partisan . 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2024 - 7:51 AM ET #57

    New York times report General Russel Honore warning that Musk is a national security risk.  Musk has a history of appeasing China communist officials.  Most Tesla cars are sold and produced in China. 

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    New York times report General Russel Honore warning that Musk is a national security risk.  Musk has a history of appeasing China communist officials.  Most Tesla cars are sold and produced in China. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2024 - 10:39 AM ET #58

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    Well that will not be the first or last time I respectfully disagree with you! peace_5

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    Well that will not be the first or last time I respectfully disagree with you! peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2024 - 11:48 AM ET #59

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     peace_5

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     peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    New York times report General Russel Honore warning that Musk is a national security risk.  Musk has a history of appeasing China communist officials.  Most Tesla cars are sold and produced in China.

    Agreed.  He desperately wants China to be lenient with his business dealings in China and of course that means THEY will want something in return.....where he will now be in position to influence in China's favor (against US interests!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    New York times report General Russel Honore warning that Musk is a national security risk.  Musk has a history of appeasing China communist officials.  Most Tesla cars are sold and produced in China.

    Agreed.  He desperately wants China to be lenient with his business dealings in China and of course that means THEY will want something in return.....where he will now be in position to influence in China's favor (against US interests!)

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2025 - 12:17 PM ET #61

    @joe pockets

     When was the last time one person spent 250 million dollars on a Presidential election and then openly supervised his “ owned “ pigeons in the congress and senate on a spending bill? 

     

    Funny you have to ask..... only difference is one of these people are tweeting about it while the other two just lurked in the shadows.  

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-15/soros-group-gives-60-million-to-super-pac-that-boosts-democrats?embedded-checkout=true

    https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/soros-nonprofit-drops-massive-8-figure-donation-super-pac-bankrolling-left-wing-groups

    https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/12/texas-majority-pac-george-soros-democrats-fundraising/

     

    More.... $400 mill from Zuck Bucks... 

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/us/politics/mark-zuckerberg-midterms-elections-grant.html

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/zuckerberg-money-wont-aid-elections-rcna24002

     

     

    Time is a flat circle....
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    @joe pockets

     When was the last time one person spent 250 million dollars on a Presidential election and then openly supervised his “ owned “ pigeons in the congress and senate on a spending bill? 

     

    Funny you have to ask..... only difference is one of these people are tweeting about it while the other two just lurked in the shadows.  

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-15/soros-group-gives-60-million-to-super-pac-that-boosts-democrats?embedded-checkout=true

    https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/soros-nonprofit-drops-massive-8-figure-donation-super-pac-bankrolling-left-wing-groups

    https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/12/texas-majority-pac-george-soros-democrats-fundraising/

     

    More.... $400 mill from Zuck Bucks... 

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/us/politics/mark-zuckerberg-midterms-elections-grant.html

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/zuckerberg-money-wont-aid-elections-rcna24002

     

     

     
     
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