MAGA.........

The alternative would have been someone with a shrilling and annoying voice... who blames everyone else for her mistakes and failures.

Hillary Clinton and jeb bush were 2 of the worst presidential candidates during my lifetime.  Hillary had zero chance of fixing the major problems of the day.  Trump has a slight chance but has not yet demonstrated the leadership skills necessary.  He's got a huge lift but I'll give him a chance.

Really? Amazing that is your best metric for measuring a leader. I don't feel that way at all. It may be important. But not the most important one. 

Slim.  Yes intangibles move. But our dilemma is always, after analyzing the data, how to extrapolate the amount and reason, etc.  

Didn't say they weren't qualified.  To the contrary, 2 of the most qualified.   Both horrible candidates, however, because neither could even tell the American people why they were running and, more importantly, were absolutely clueless about the appeal of trump (which is why both lost).   Qualifications, have very little to do w running a competent natl race.   

Not criticizing as much as surprised you would say that is all.  Worst certainly sounded like you didn't think they were that qualified.  Both were top tier in their parties for a reason. Lot of experience in politics. Both actually talked about the issues that they thought their folks wanted to hear about. Bush did well as a governor. Hillary was respected as a candidate as well. Just because they lost doesn't mean they were worst.  For sure you may not agree with their views on what they would do about the issues. 

I was merely challenging the ops apparent suggestion that trump was a good leader.   Said another way, from my perspective, you cannot be a good leader if you never accept responsibility for failures and instead blame others.   You apparently disagree.

Gotcha. No problem with you saying it that way. I agree. 

Really SS?

Okay, I guess it has to be said but Trump doesn't really lead.  Why would I even say that?  Easy.  He defers all military decisions to the brass in the military, which is very atypical for a commander-in-chief and he's not involved in any of the drafting of bills when it comes to Congress, which means this executive branch is possibly the most absent one in the history of the U.S. 

What Trump actually does is tells others what he wants accomplished and takes credit when things go right, then blames everyone but himself when something goes wrong, absolving himself of any responsibility.  I'm hardly impressed by his leadership.

Thankfully at this point in time we are not trading a traitor like Bowe Bergdahl for 5 enemy warriors. I will call this major progress.

Veteran	QUOTE#85 Posted: 11/24/2017 11:22:06 AM Okay, I guess it has to be said but Trump doesn't really lead.  Why would I even say that?  Easy.  He defers all military decisions to the brass in the military, which is very atypical for a commander-in-chief and he's not involved in any of the drafting of bills when it comes to Congress, which means this executive branch is possibly the most absent one in the history of the U.S.   What Trump actually does is tells others what he wants accomplished and takes credit when things go right, then blames everyone but himself when something goes wrong, absolving himself of any responsibility.  I'm hardly impressed by his leadership. What is wrong with deferring decisions to experts in their fields?  Unless there is a direction issue you want to change or deal with.  Maybe transgender or some strategy on troop deployment suggestions?  What did Obama or Bush do differently that you prefer? What exactly would you want him to do as far as drafting bills?  He has had numerous meeting with members of congress expressing his opinion on things. It is not like he can actually write the bills or really even be in the committee meetings.  What did Obama or Bush do differently that you prefer?  I don't see him as absent?  What do you mean?  He is in the news and quoted quite a bit as far as why he likes and prefers.  Telling others what you want accomplished is actually what leaders do --- they call that delegating.  What has he blamed others for that he wanted done and they didn't do?  Not sure what examples you mean here? But use just the last two presidents, Obama and Bush, and contrast and compare please.  I need clarity. Unless you are just anti-Trump and ranting?  Which I get.  Just wondered if there were things to back you up in this?