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    Lumber prices rising 30% because my President is a moron

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    BWS77
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 2:48 PM ET #1

    Thanks Trump!   This won't hurt new construction at all


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    Thanks Trump!   This won't hurt new construction at all


     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 3:42 PM ET #2

    Lumber is in short supply, the left wing social justice warriors are using them to make protest signs.

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    Lumber is in short supply, the left wing social justice warriors are using them to make protest signs.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 3:54 PM ET #3


    Need some. I have hardwood boards...lol
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    Need some. I have hardwood boards...lol
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 4:07 PM ET #4

    Someone is a moron that's for sure.............

    The trade agreement that has governed Canadian imports of softwood lumber since 2006 effectively expired at the end of 2016, Failure to reach a new agreement (by the Obama administration ) is the primary catalyst of market-wide price increases...

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau brought up the now expired Softwood Lumber Agreement (SLA) at his final meeting with then-President Obama late last year....but President Obama would not sign a new softwood deal ..

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    Someone is a moron that's for sure.............

    The trade agreement that has governed Canadian imports of softwood lumber since 2006 effectively expired at the end of 2016, Failure to reach a new agreement (by the Obama administration ) is the primary catalyst of market-wide price increases...

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau brought up the now expired Softwood Lumber Agreement (SLA) at his final meeting with then-President Obama late last year....but President Obama would not sign a new softwood deal ..

     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 4:11 PM ET #5

    Great jokes dumbasses....      Profits gone for home builders with signed contracts...   $60,000 lumber package for a house now costs $78,000.  

    Anyone gonna jump in line to build a house for free?  
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    Great jokes dumbasses....      Profits gone for home builders with signed contracts...   $60,000 lumber package for a house now costs $78,000.  

    Anyone gonna jump in line to build a house for free?  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 4:23 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Someone is a moron that's for sure.............

    The trade agreement that has governed Canadian imports of softwood lumber since 2006 effectively expired at the end of 2016, Failure to reach a new agreement (by the Obama administration ) is the primary catalyst of market-wide price increases...

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau brought up the now expired Softwood Lumber Agreement (SLA) at his final meeting with then-President Obama late last year....but President Obama would not sign a new softwood deal ..

    Where is Trump's deal then Slim?   He knows all about construction and how important it is, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Someone is a moron that's for sure.............

    The trade agreement that has governed Canadian imports of softwood lumber since 2006 effectively expired at the end of 2016, Failure to reach a new agreement (by the Obama administration ) is the primary catalyst of market-wide price increases...

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau brought up the now expired Softwood Lumber Agreement (SLA) at his final meeting with then-President Obama late last year....but President Obama would not sign a new softwood deal ..

    Where is Trump's deal then Slim?   He knows all about construction and how important it is, right?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 4:25 PM ET #7

    Trumps building promises are energizing the lumber prices

    The lumber markets are off to a robust start in 2017, as U.S. housing data show that the number of new homes available -- along with the sale of new homes -- are rising, according to the National Association of Home Builders.

    Home builders are employing more people and their purchasing orders of raw materials are increasing, particularly in lumber.

    Trump winning.............


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    Trumps building promises are energizing the lumber prices

    The lumber markets are off to a robust start in 2017, as U.S. housing data show that the number of new homes available -- along with the sale of new homes -- are rising, according to the National Association of Home Builders.

    Home builders are employing more people and their purchasing orders of raw materials are increasing, particularly in lumber.

    Trump winning.............


     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 4:32 PM ET #8

    Risk management is part of running any business, failure to accurately forecast the cost of supplies is the fault of the  management team. Slim is correct, the fault lies with the inabilty to reach a new deal, not because trump is in office.
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    Risk management is part of running any business, failure to accurately forecast the cost of supplies is the fault of the  management team. Slim is correct, the fault lies with the inabilty to reach a new deal, not because trump is in office.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 5:03 PM ET #9

    Oh my word reading this thread drives me crazy..


    If something bad happens there is always a way to track it back to some democrat, sheesh this gets old.

    Its like that Kevin Bacon crap, every actor or person can trace themselves back to Kevin Bacon.

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    Oh my word reading this thread drives me crazy..


    If something bad happens there is always a way to track it back to some democrat, sheesh this gets old.

    Its like that Kevin Bacon crap, every actor or person can trace themselves back to Kevin Bacon.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 5:04 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Trumps building promises are energizing the lumber prices

    The lumber markets are off to a robust start in 2017, as U.S. housing data show that the number of new homes available -- along with the sale of new homes -- are rising, according to the National Association of Home Builders.

    Home builders are employing more people and their purchasing orders of raw materials are increasing, particularly in lumber.

    Trump winning.............



    How long does that last at a 30% increase?  
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Trumps building promises are energizing the lumber prices

    The lumber markets are off to a robust start in 2017, as U.S. housing data show that the number of new homes available -- along with the sale of new homes -- are rising, according to the National Association of Home Builders.

    Home builders are employing more people and their purchasing orders of raw materials are increasing, particularly in lumber.

    Trump winning.............



    How long does that last at a 30% increase?  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 6:05 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Risk management is part of running any business, failure to accurately forecast the cost of supplies is the fault of the  management team. Slim is correct, the fault lies with the inabilty to reach a new deal, not because trump is in office.


    Maybe a few % but not 30% on the most needed product.   Who is gonna eat that?   Not the builders, that's for sure.   I built and sold a house last year... a 30% increase on lumber would have made it not worth doing.  The large volume cookie-cutter builders can get by, but the guys who do 10 or less houses a year would get killed.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Risk management is part of running any business, failure to accurately forecast the cost of supplies is the fault of the  management team. Slim is correct, the fault lies with the inabilty to reach a new deal, not because trump is in office.


    Maybe a few % but not 30% on the most needed product.   Who is gonna eat that?   Not the builders, that's for sure.   I built and sold a house last year... a 30% increase on lumber would have made it not worth doing.  The large volume cookie-cutter builders can get by, but the guys who do 10 or less houses a year would get killed.  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 6:23 PM ET #12

    This is a link to a 10-year chart for the XHB homebuilders' ETF.

    https://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=xhb&insttype=&freq=2&show=&time=13

    It has traded between 28 and 38 for roughly 4 years.  I'd say it looks more toppy than ready to break out into a new uptrend.  I predict it is more likely to see 28 before 48.
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    This is a link to a 10-year chart for the XHB homebuilders' ETF.

    https://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=xhb&insttype=&freq=2&show=&time=13

    It has traded between 28 and 38 for roughly 4 years.  I'd say it looks more toppy than ready to break out into a new uptrend.  I predict it is more likely to see 28 before 48.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 7:19 PM ET #13

    Buy timbertacks in america or purchase cutting option on leased government land format when they become available. Of we have an increase in Canadian imported lumber through tariff or currency manipulation is a owned lumber tracts will
    Be greatly valued . with the housing expected to expand and Lowes and depot stocks all anticipated to climb 30% in five years. Basis. Raw material becomes diamonds overnight. And houses preowned prices will begin to form another bubble in home equity markets but we will have 7 good years to economic readjustment period.
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    Buy timbertacks in america or purchase cutting option on leased government land format when they become available. Of we have an increase in Canadian imported lumber through tariff or currency manipulation is a owned lumber tracts will
    Be greatly valued . with the housing expected to expand and Lowes and depot stocks all anticipated to climb 30% in five years. Basis. Raw material becomes diamonds overnight. And houses preowned prices will begin to form another bubble in home equity markets but we will have 7 good years to economic readjustment period.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 8:28 PM ET #14

    Yeh 30% is a big pill to swallow that is for sure. The softwood dispute has been going on for years, a new deal will stabilize these prices. Most in the industry knew something was coming when the current deal expired, that was the point of my previous post. 

    I live 30 mins from one of the largest pulp mills in eastern canada. The mill itself wouldnt exist without subsidies from various players such as nova scotia power and federal/provincial government. Our industry recieves a lot of breaks from various levels of government and that is the main problem with striking a new deal, not a level playing field.

    Was trump the reason for this spike of course not. I suspect he will be adressing this issue post haste.




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    Yeh 30% is a big pill to swallow that is for sure. The softwood dispute has been going on for years, a new deal will stabilize these prices. Most in the industry knew something was coming when the current deal expired, that was the point of my previous post. 

    I live 30 mins from one of the largest pulp mills in eastern canada. The mill itself wouldnt exist without subsidies from various players such as nova scotia power and federal/provincial government. Our industry recieves a lot of breaks from various levels of government and that is the main problem with striking a new deal, not a level playing field.

    Was trump the reason for this spike of course not. I suspect he will be adressing this issue post haste.




     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 9:51 PM ET #15

    During the remodeling. Second mortgage boom of 2003-2008 Plywood in sub flooring grade was 60.00 a sheet and most Americans could not borrow enough to buy more.... Just stating my observations
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    During the remodeling. Second mortgage boom of 2003-2008 Plywood in sub flooring grade was 60.00 a sheet and most Americans could not borrow enough to buy more.... Just stating my observations
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Yeh 30% is a big pill to swallow that is for sure. The softwood dispute has been going on for years, a new deal will stabilize these prices. Most in the industry knew something was coming when the current deal expired, that was the point of my previous post. I live 30 mins from one of the largest pulp mills in eastern canada. The mill itself wouldnt exist without subsidies from various players such as nova scotia power and federal/provincial government. Our industry recieves a lot of breaks from various levels of government and that is the main problem with striking a new deal, not a level playing field.Was trump the reason for this spike of course not. I suspect he will be adressing this issue post haste.

    Wood comes from maine bit the land is owned by Irving Irving corporation owns half of the land in Maine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Yeh 30% is a big pill to swallow that is for sure. The softwood dispute has been going on for years, a new deal will stabilize these prices. Most in the industry knew something was coming when the current deal expired, that was the point of my previous post. I live 30 mins from one of the largest pulp mills in eastern canada. The mill itself wouldnt exist without subsidies from various players such as nova scotia power and federal/provincial government. Our industry recieves a lot of breaks from various levels of government and that is the main problem with striking a new deal, not a level playing field.Was trump the reason for this spike of course not. I suspect he will be adressing this issue post haste.

    Wood comes from maine bit the land is owned by Irving Irving corporation owns half of the land in Maine.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 11:01 PM ET #17

    Sorry nature not sure which wood you are referring to. Im no expert in the pulp industry, i fish lobster. The example i posted regarding subsidies at the local mill was intended to demonstrate the inequalities in the canadian and US markets in general. It is actually a paper mill producing supercalandered paper. I believe a mill in maine that produces the same type of paper has filed more than one grievance regarding the subsidies which allow the mill to sell the same product for less than the its US competitors. The softwood lumber dispute has more to do with stumpage rates and things that i know little about.

    I just think it is unfair to lay the blame on trump 3 months into his presidency. 
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    Sorry nature not sure which wood you are referring to. Im no expert in the pulp industry, i fish lobster. The example i posted regarding subsidies at the local mill was intended to demonstrate the inequalities in the canadian and US markets in general. It is actually a paper mill producing supercalandered paper. I believe a mill in maine that produces the same type of paper has filed more than one grievance regarding the subsidies which allow the mill to sell the same product for less than the its US competitors. The softwood lumber dispute has more to do with stumpage rates and things that i know little about.

    I just think it is unfair to lay the blame on trump 3 months into his presidency. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2017 - 7:25 AM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

      i fish lobster. 

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are 2 lobster seasons up there in Canada, 1 in spring and 1 in early winter.

    If I'm correct, how cold is it fishing for lobsters in the early winter season?  

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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

      i fish lobster. 

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are 2 lobster seasons up there in Canada, 1 in spring and 1 in early winter.

    If I'm correct, how cold is it fishing for lobsters in the early winter season?  

     
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    Very cold.

    Ive never fished in winter, the season in our area runs may 1st to end of june. Some of the guys go fishing in winter but i do not. Its cold enough the first few weeks around here.
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    Very cold.

    Ive never fished in winter, the season in our area runs may 1st to end of june. Some of the guys go fishing in winter but i do not. Its cold enough the first few weeks around here.
     
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    BSW you down with play on pens jackets, ill spot u a gm. 100USD for series. Love free money.

    You win three, you get the hundy. 
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    BSW you down with play on pens jackets, ill spot u a gm. 100USD for series. Love free money.

    You win three, you get the hundy. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2017 - 6:31 PM ET #21

    For decades, there have often been lumber trade disputes between US and Canada.  Since US does not have enough lumber to meet domestic demand, it relies on Canadian imports. 

    Blame US lumber industry lobby for higher duties or prices and restrictions on cheaper Canadian lumber.  Americans may pay more under Trump protectionist policies for better deals in international trade.

    A robust housing market is one of the best ways to stimulate economic growth.  However higher housing costs can reduce demand and jobs in construction. 
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    For decades, there have often been lumber trade disputes between US and Canada.  Since US does not have enough lumber to meet domestic demand, it relies on Canadian imports. 

    Blame US lumber industry lobby for higher duties or prices and restrictions on cheaper Canadian lumber.  Americans may pay more under Trump protectionist policies for better deals in international trade.

    A robust housing market is one of the best ways to stimulate economic growth.  However higher housing costs can reduce demand and jobs in construction. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2017 - 6:36 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    BSW you down with play on pens jackets, ill spot u a gm. 100USD for series. Love free money.

    You win three, you get the hundy. 

    Thanks for the offer, but I'm already invested in a CBJ future to win the East along with some hedges coming up       Will be a good series, just wish both were at 100% health.   
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    BSW you down with play on pens jackets, ill spot u a gm. 100USD for series. Love free money.

    You win three, you get the hundy. 

    Thanks for the offer, but I'm already invested in a CBJ future to win the East along with some hedges coming up       Will be a good series, just wish both were at 100% health.   
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2017 - 8:24 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    For decades, there have often been lumber trade disputes between US and Canada.  Since US does not have enough lumber to meet domestic demand, it relies on Canadian imports. 

    Blame US lumber industry lobby for higher duties or prices and restrictions on cheaper Canadian lumber.  Americans may pay more under Trump protectionist policies for better deals in international trade.

    A robust housing market is one of the best ways to stimulate economic growth.  However higher housing costs can reduce demand and jobs in construction. 


    No,,,,,the blame for cheaper Canadian soft lumber falls on the Canadian federal and provincial Governments who unfairly subsidizing the lumber industry in Canada with financial aid making Canadian Soft lumber cheaper..

    Canadian subsidies are the main reason why the Canadian softwood lumber producers and American softwood lumber producers are at a loggerheads ...not the US lumber industry lobby...
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    For decades, there have often been lumber trade disputes between US and Canada.  Since US does not have enough lumber to meet domestic demand, it relies on Canadian imports. 

    Blame US lumber industry lobby for higher duties or prices and restrictions on cheaper Canadian lumber.  Americans may pay more under Trump protectionist policies for better deals in international trade.

    A robust housing market is one of the best ways to stimulate economic growth.  However higher housing costs can reduce demand and jobs in construction. 


    No,,,,,the blame for cheaper Canadian soft lumber falls on the Canadian federal and provincial Governments who unfairly subsidizing the lumber industry in Canada with financial aid making Canadian Soft lumber cheaper..

    Canadian subsidies are the main reason why the Canadian softwood lumber producers and American softwood lumber producers are at a loggerheads ...not the US lumber industry lobby...
     
    darkhorse12
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2017 - 8:35 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    Thanks Trump!   This won't hurt new construction at all



    Be like trump and use chinese steel !! America First 
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    Thanks Trump!   This won't hurt new construction at all



    Be like trump and use chinese steel !! America First 
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2017 - 8:52 PM ET #25

    Environmental activist groups have been a powerful proactive lobby. Vast amounts are locked into the bureau of land management that restricted cutting mining and grazing utilized a more wildlife perfered habitat and stopped timber tract harvest for many years.

    Oregon protest was about grazing restrictions. However in the west a growing bipartiso. Compromise is being studied. In an effort to control forest fires a fire break or the removal of all vegetation done for a 5 mile by state swath to have a natural break in fire prevention from escalation do to wind concerns. And hence billions of board feet of softwood could be harvest over a continual generation continues cut. Hence grass grazing concerns also addressed as grazing cattle will natural remove shrub growth.
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    Environmental activist groups have been a powerful proactive lobby. Vast amounts are locked into the bureau of land management that restricted cutting mining and grazing utilized a more wildlife perfered habitat and stopped timber tract harvest for many years.

    Oregon protest was about grazing restrictions. However in the west a growing bipartiso. Compromise is being studied. In an effort to control forest fires a fire break or the removal of all vegetation done for a 5 mile by state swath to have a natural break in fire prevention from escalation do to wind concerns. And hence billions of board feet of softwood could be harvest over a continual generation continues cut. Hence grass grazing concerns also addressed as grazing cattle will natural remove shrub growth.
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