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    Lumber prices rising 30% because my President is a moron

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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2017 - 9:05 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:


    Thanks for the offer, but I'm already invested in a CBJ future to win the East along with some hedges coming up       Will be a good series, just wish both were at 100% health.   
     

    Yeh, saw your futures post in nhl forum. NP just thought id spice it up a little. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:


    Thanks for the offer, but I'm already invested in a CBJ future to win the East along with some hedges coming up       Will be a good series, just wish both were at 100% health.   
     

    Yeh, saw your futures post in nhl forum. NP just thought id spice it up a little. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2017 - 11:12 PM ET #27

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    No,,,,,the blame for cheaper Canadian soft lumber falls on the Canadian federal and provincial Governments who unfairly subsidizing the lumber industry in Canada with financial aid making Canadian Soft lumber cheaper..

    Canadian subsidies are the main reason why the Canadian softwood lumber producers and American softwood lumber producers are at a loggerheads ...not the US lumber industry lobby...

    US industry allegation of subsidy is driven by protectionism and not unfair practice.  Since Canadian wood is used in a wide variety of industries, it doesn't qualify as a subsidy under US law.  In 1986, US commerce department investigated and ruled in favor of Canada.  In 2006, US agreed to refund billions in duties collected and to refrain from imposing new tariffs.  After agreement expired, both countries failed to settle on a new deal.
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    No,,,,,the blame for cheaper Canadian soft lumber falls on the Canadian federal and provincial Governments who unfairly subsidizing the lumber industry in Canada with financial aid making Canadian Soft lumber cheaper..

    Canadian subsidies are the main reason why the Canadian softwood lumber producers and American softwood lumber producers are at a loggerheads ...not the US lumber industry lobby...

    US industry allegation of subsidy is driven by protectionism and not unfair practice.  Since Canadian wood is used in a wide variety of industries, it doesn't qualify as a subsidy under US law.  In 1986, US commerce department investigated and ruled in favor of Canada.  In 2006, US agreed to refund billions in duties collected and to refrain from imposing new tariffs.  After agreement expired, both countries failed to settle on a new deal.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 12:23 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:


    US industry allegation of subsidy is driven by protectionism and not unfair practice.  Since Canadian wood is used in a wide variety of industries, it doesn't qualify as a subsidy under US law.  In 1986, US commerce department investigated and ruled in favor of Canada.  In 2006, US agreed to refund billions in duties collected and to refrain from imposing new tariffs.  After agreement expired, both countries failed to settle on a new deal.


    Call it what you will... it' still "financial aid"...and it makes Canadian soft lumber cheaper to buy..

    "In 2006 US agreed to refund billions in duties "...another bad deal,, that was done during the previous administration..
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:


    US industry allegation of subsidy is driven by protectionism and not unfair practice.  Since Canadian wood is used in a wide variety of industries, it doesn't qualify as a subsidy under US law.  In 1986, US commerce department investigated and ruled in favor of Canada.  In 2006, US agreed to refund billions in duties collected and to refrain from imposing new tariffs.  After agreement expired, both countries failed to settle on a new deal.


    Call it what you will... it' still "financial aid"...and it makes Canadian soft lumber cheaper to buy..

    "In 2006 US agreed to refund billions in duties "...another bad deal,, that was done during the previous administration..
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 7:39 AM ET #29

    * a previous administration....
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    * a previous administration....
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 10:35 PM ET #30

    I did notice bws that you referred to Trump. As 'my President' Freudian slip but your making progress ....
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    I did notice bws that you referred to Trump. As 'my President' Freudian slip but your making progress ....
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 10:46 PM ET #31

    @hockeyteeth all the mills in Maine that produced this type of magazine paper are gone. Sappi makes toilet and cardboard in Skowhegan new page in Rumford makes newsprint and computer paper. Under Lepage and Obama we lost Westbrook's plant jay is closed millinocket and east milnocket gone scraped and sold to black water in Canada. Old town gone. Bucks harbor gone. Lincoln paper gone . we lost almost all paper mills here and with it the shoes textiles woollen mills wood manufacturing Solon and kd gone to China. Most lumber mills outside a few are shuttered. We have tourism. And lawyers but slowly over a couple decades we lost so many good jobs.
    All while lepage ranting how friendly for business we are
    Complete propaganda bull shat. We are now known for retail outlets and tourists destination. And they out source those jobs when summer comes to eastern Europeans looking for a spouse.
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    @hockeyteeth all the mills in Maine that produced this type of magazine paper are gone. Sappi makes toilet and cardboard in Skowhegan new page in Rumford makes newsprint and computer paper. Under Lepage and Obama we lost Westbrook's plant jay is closed millinocket and east milnocket gone scraped and sold to black water in Canada. Old town gone. Bucks harbor gone. Lincoln paper gone . we lost almost all paper mills here and with it the shoes textiles woollen mills wood manufacturing Solon and kd gone to China. Most lumber mills outside a few are shuttered. We have tourism. And lawyers but slowly over a couple decades we lost so many good jobs.
    All while lepage ranting how friendly for business we are
    Complete propaganda bull shat. We are now known for retail outlets and tourists destination. And they out source those jobs when summer comes to eastern Europeans looking for a spouse.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 11:00 PM ET #32

    Listen to Angus King our lobster industry in shallow coastal waters will
    Implode south of penobscot bay die die to a bacteria from warm water. Another few years we will not to be able to fish for them . we lost shrimp season 5 days now used to be three months. Deep sea fishing 36 days. Urchin 4 days
    Elvers against the law to harvest without being native american.
    Our fishing elimination is done because coastal estates do not want the smell so those billionaires from MDI got rid of it by starving it out. AS THEY REALLY CONTROL MAINE POLITICS FROM THEIR play pen. The most influential people from around the country descend near Elsworth around August and this state is theirs and JD Irving Corp. Us peasants are just mocked and scorned for staying.
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    Listen to Angus King our lobster industry in shallow coastal waters will
    Implode south of penobscot bay die die to a bacteria from warm water. Another few years we will not to be able to fish for them . we lost shrimp season 5 days now used to be three months. Deep sea fishing 36 days. Urchin 4 days
    Elvers against the law to harvest without being native american.
    Our fishing elimination is done because coastal estates do not want the smell so those billionaires from MDI got rid of it by starving it out. AS THEY REALLY CONTROL MAINE POLITICS FROM THEIR play pen. The most influential people from around the country descend near Elsworth around August and this state is theirs and JD Irving Corp. Us peasants are just mocked and scorned for staying.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2017 - 2:09 AM ET #33

    The Trump administration is hitting Canada with stiff tariffs of up to 24% on lumber shipped into the United States.

    These are the first tariffs imposed by President Trump, who during his election campaign threatened to use them on imports from both China and Mexico.

    The duties were imposed to create a level playing field for American lumber companies.

    The move came after there was no breakthrough in U.S. talks on Canadian dairy tariffs. Canada has long taxed U.S. diary products. Some U.S. milk exports, depending on the fat content, face tariffs as high as 292%, according to Canada’s Agriculture Department.

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    The Trump administration is hitting Canada with stiff tariffs of up to 24% on lumber shipped into the United States.

    These are the first tariffs imposed by President Trump, who during his election campaign threatened to use them on imports from both China and Mexico.

    The duties were imposed to create a level playing field for American lumber companies.

    The move came after there was no breakthrough in U.S. talks on Canadian dairy tariffs. Canada has long taxed U.S. diary products. Some U.S. milk exports, depending on the fat content, face tariffs as high as 292%, according to Canada’s Agriculture Department.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2017 - 6:55 AM ET #34

    Trump does not have the authority to impose tariffs that one is clearly spelled out as a congressional power. But what the hell unlike this with be challenged or seen in court .
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    Trump does not have the authority to impose tariffs that one is clearly spelled out as a congressional power. But what the hell unlike this with be challenged or seen in court .
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2017 - 6:57 AM ET #35

    So what another executive order cause we have another do nothing Congress
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    So what another executive order cause we have another do nothing Congress
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2017 - 8:13 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Trump does not have the authority to impose tariffs that one is clearly spelled out as a congressional power. But what the hell unlike this with be challenged or seen in court .



    President Trump has the authority with the stroke of his pen,,,to impose tariffs, import restrictions or other retaliatory measures without congressional approval ...The law gives him broad latitude..as long as the President claims that a foreign nation is acting unreasonably or unjustifiably...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Trump does not have the authority to impose tariffs that one is clearly spelled out as a congressional power. But what the hell unlike this with be challenged or seen in court .



    President Trump has the authority with the stroke of his pen,,,to impose tariffs, import restrictions or other retaliatory measures without congressional approval ...The law gives him broad latitude..as long as the President claims that a foreign nation is acting unreasonably or unjustifiably...
     
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    Posted: May. 1, 2017 - 7:28 AM ET #37

    BWS, I saw a segment on TV with Canada's Minster of International Trade.  Now I understand why Trump did the tariff on softwood lumber because it was meant to look like he's being tough on them when in fact he's not.  It represents 2% of the lumber exports for Canada.  They're actually a big customer of the U.S., more than China and she said they're also waiting at the table to renegotiate NAFTA if Trump wants to, but the Americans have been slow to join and discuss.  Real shocker.
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    BWS, I saw a segment on TV with Canada's Minster of International Trade.  Now I understand why Trump did the tariff on softwood lumber because it was meant to look like he's being tough on them when in fact he's not.  It represents 2% of the lumber exports for Canada.  They're actually a big customer of the U.S., more than China and she said they're also waiting at the table to renegotiate NAFTA if Trump wants to, but the Americans have been slow to join and discuss.  Real shocker.
     
     
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    Posted: May. 1, 2017 - 10:05 AM ET #38

    Minister*  whoops
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