Keep hearing rumors of this and saw an article today where he is going to New Hampshire to promote his new organization.
They seem to have a uniting type of message. This is the statement:
“Americans Together, a new organization that is creating a platform for the middle to connect and empower moderate voices around the country, is kicking off this effort by launching a listening tour in January starting in New Hampshire,” reads a description of the event. “Their goal is to build a bridge between popular will and political outcomes.”
And a quote in the article:
Starting in January, Manchin will tour the country to meet with voters who feel "politically homeless," Axios reports.
While he told “Meet the Press” host Kristen Welker that he’d "absolutely" consider running for president, during a recent CNN interview he emphasized that he hasn't said launching a presidential bid is a definite.
Keep hearing rumors of this and saw an article today where he is going to New Hampshire to promote his new organization.
They seem to have a uniting type of message. This is the statement:
“Americans Together, a new organization that is creating a platform for the middle to connect and empower moderate voices around the country, is kicking off this effort by launching a listening tour in January starting in New Hampshire,” reads a description of the event. “Their goal is to build a bridge between popular will and political outcomes.”
And a quote in the article:
Starting in January, Manchin will tour the country to meet with voters who feel "politically homeless," Axios reports.
While he told “Meet the Press” host Kristen Welker that he’d "absolutely" consider running for president, during a recent CNN interview he emphasized that he hasn't said launching a presidential bid is a definite.
I am curious what both sides think of him running. Obviously, he is an old standard politician.
But he is more of a Conservative-type of Democrat.
I understand a lot of the Democrat establishment do not want him to run for fear of siphoning some votes and giving the election to Trump.
But I think he might potentially draw some Republican voters that are never-Trumpers.
If nothing else he seems more uniting than either Biden or Trump.
I am always advocating for 3-4 major parties for various reasons. I realize a third-party candidate really has very little shot. But I think it could open up more choices in the future.
Just curious if others from both sides have any thoughts at all on this.
I am curious what both sides think of him running. Obviously, he is an old standard politician.
But he is more of a Conservative-type of Democrat.
I understand a lot of the Democrat establishment do not want him to run for fear of siphoning some votes and giving the election to Trump.
But I think he might potentially draw some Republican voters that are never-Trumpers.
If nothing else he seems more uniting than either Biden or Trump.
I am always advocating for 3-4 major parties for various reasons. I realize a third-party candidate really has very little shot. But I think it could open up more choices in the future.
Just curious if others from both sides have any thoughts at all on this.
"I have said that basically, this country doesn't work from the extremes," Manchin said. "You can't have the extreme right and the extreme left with all these extreme ideas, and you can't weaponize our system to make thinking that anybody on the other side that you're not on is your enemy and you treat them as an enemy."
Manchin added that he believes "we've never seen the voters this displeased with the candidates they think they're going to be receiving right now."
Meant to include his quote:
"I have said that basically, this country doesn't work from the extremes," Manchin said. "You can't have the extreme right and the extreme left with all these extreme ideas, and you can't weaponize our system to make thinking that anybody on the other side that you're not on is your enemy and you treat them as an enemy."
Manchin added that he believes "we've never seen the voters this displeased with the candidates they think they're going to be receiving right now."
If they dropped the witchhunt and attempted financial destruction of Trump and then put Manchin out there instead of Biden I believe it would work. Manchin would not need to run as a third party. But the crazies in charge now would never go for it so maybe only as a third.
He would have to promise to pardon both Trump and Biden of any wrongdoings so the country could move forward.
I, for one, would be very receptive to that kind of thinking.
Interesting.
If they dropped the witchhunt and attempted financial destruction of Trump and then put Manchin out there instead of Biden I believe it would work. Manchin would not need to run as a third party. But the crazies in charge now would never go for it so maybe only as a third.
He would have to promise to pardon both Trump and Biden of any wrongdoings so the country could move forward.
I, for one, would be very receptive to that kind of thinking.
To get the DNC vote you cannot be an extremist who is combative and is an isolationist, I dont see how he would get enough support. If he were with the GOP yeah he fits the mold much better than the DNC. If anyone likes Joe or Kirsten then invite them to the GOP, both would get more GOP votes and support than DNC using that logic.
To get the DNC vote you cannot be an extremist who is combative and is an isolationist, I dont see how he would get enough support. If he were with the GOP yeah he fits the mold much better than the DNC. If anyone likes Joe or Kirsten then invite them to the GOP, both would get more GOP votes and support than DNC using that logic.
“If you haven’t figured it out already, it is now abundantly clear that Donald Trump is going to crush POTUS.
If the Democrat party wants to have a chance of putting up a candidate who can compete with Trump, it needs to quickly get behind a strong, credible contender for President, and Biden needs to step aside.
Dean B. Phillips is that candidate. He is super smart, highly experienced and successful in business and politics, and he is a moderate, appealing to both Republicans and Democrats.
The Democratic Party and Joe Biden are heading toward a train wreck. We need to pull the train off the tracks now!”
“If you haven’t figured it out already, it is now abundantly clear that Donald Trump is going to crush POTUS.
If the Democrat party wants to have a chance of putting up a candidate who can compete with Trump, it needs to quickly get behind a strong, credible contender for President, and Biden needs to step aside.
Dean B. Phillips is that candidate. He is super smart, highly experienced and successful in business and politics, and he is a moderate, appealing to both Republicans and Democrats.
The Democratic Party and Joe Biden are heading toward a train wreck. We need to pull the train off the tracks now!”
Interesting. If they dropped the witchhunt and attempted financial destruction of Trump and then put Manchin out there instead of Biden I believe it would work. Manchin would not need to run as a third party. But the crazies in charge now would never go for it so maybe only as a third. He would have to promise to pardon both Trump and Biden of any wrongdoings so the country could move forward. I, for one, would be very receptive to that kind of thinking.
No witchhunt,just charging criminals for their crimes.If it was a witchhunt and no crimes were committed,why is Stinky begging to have "absolute immunity" from prosecution,do people who've done nothing wrong need immunity from those crimes?
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
Interesting. If they dropped the witchhunt and attempted financial destruction of Trump and then put Manchin out there instead of Biden I believe it would work. Manchin would not need to run as a third party. But the crazies in charge now would never go for it so maybe only as a third. He would have to promise to pardon both Trump and Biden of any wrongdoings so the country could move forward. I, for one, would be very receptive to that kind of thinking.
No witchhunt,just charging criminals for their crimes.If it was a witchhunt and no crimes were committed,why is Stinky begging to have "absolute immunity" from prosecution,do people who've done nothing wrong need immunity from those crimes?
It tells me what I already know, the GOP voter is more interested in their religious biases and narrative than how awful any candidate is. Trump is a pathetic disgusting user and as I mentioned in the other thread he is not at all religious or conservative, yet your party is vindictive and forceful of your personal agenda more than considering what is best for society.
Nothing like a selfish extremist society, what a sad commentary that you support and cheer for a low class fraud like Trump.
@UNIMAN
It tells me what I already know, the GOP voter is more interested in their religious biases and narrative than how awful any candidate is. Trump is a pathetic disgusting user and as I mentioned in the other thread he is not at all religious or conservative, yet your party is vindictive and forceful of your personal agenda more than considering what is best for society.
Nothing like a selfish extremist society, what a sad commentary that you support and cheer for a low class fraud like Trump.
How come I never see you go “ guns blazing “ at the other side wallstreet ?
I think some of your venom would do them some good , but I never see it with this type of aggressiveness ……
I understand that they keep to themselves with the flim flam and you say “ the other side “ attacks but come on friend , there’s som crossing of the lines going that way as well ….
it just doesn’t look good
wallstreetcappers craps in his draws and pees fuckin backwards from his vaj with a squirt.
How come I never see you go “ guns blazing “ at the other side wallstreet ?
I think some of your venom would do them some good , but I never see it with this type of aggressiveness ……
I understand that they keep to themselves with the flim flam and you say “ the other side “ attacks but come on friend , there’s som crossing of the lines going that way as well ….
You worry too much about partisan nonsense spock. I go against Biden all the time but do you know the difference between the two? Trump is a low class abuser of people, he mocks and belittles every single day, he puts people down because he has no ego he has no feeling of self worth and the ability to elevate others..instead he feels the need to tear people down to make himself look better. He is a blamer, a divider, an antagonizing lousy person. He is the lowest of society and thinks he is better than you and anyone else. He does not inspire or lead, he does not teach moral concepts in how he speaks or how he acts. You do not see high quality values in much of anything with regard to Trump. And Trump rubs his sewer mouth in the face of society as a way of behaving.
Biden is a lifer, he is not as aggressive or assertive or outward as Trump or really any politician. Biden does not attack, berate, abuse and mock as a platform as a way of living his life. Biden is a crappy president but he is not an abusive scum like Trump is.
Its interesting, some of the same qualities I saw in Vivek I see in Trump and that is a huge reason why I did not like him and the blow it up approach is so juvenile and narrow minded and both of them sell the boogie man deep state blow up the government narrative and how lame is that?
I would compare Trump CLOSER to Hills than Biden, in how they are as people and how they run their mouth but Trump is a far far far worse abuser than Hills but still that is a closer example.
So outside of your partisan complaining as usual, you didnt answer the question either...why do ultra conservative religious Christians find resonation with Trump? They do because deep down they are similar...they dislike those who are not of their beliefs and faith, they want to force their angry religious views onto others who do not desire it and they want to return this country to the white male ultra conservative religious roots we had in the past, they think Trump will make that happen and how disgusting is that?
@spockgato
You worry too much about partisan nonsense spock. I go against Biden all the time but do you know the difference between the two? Trump is a low class abuser of people, he mocks and belittles every single day, he puts people down because he has no ego he has no feeling of self worth and the ability to elevate others..instead he feels the need to tear people down to make himself look better. He is a blamer, a divider, an antagonizing lousy person. He is the lowest of society and thinks he is better than you and anyone else. He does not inspire or lead, he does not teach moral concepts in how he speaks or how he acts. You do not see high quality values in much of anything with regard to Trump. And Trump rubs his sewer mouth in the face of society as a way of behaving.
Biden is a lifer, he is not as aggressive or assertive or outward as Trump or really any politician. Biden does not attack, berate, abuse and mock as a platform as a way of living his life. Biden is a crappy president but he is not an abusive scum like Trump is.
Its interesting, some of the same qualities I saw in Vivek I see in Trump and that is a huge reason why I did not like him and the blow it up approach is so juvenile and narrow minded and both of them sell the boogie man deep state blow up the government narrative and how lame is that?
I would compare Trump CLOSER to Hills than Biden, in how they are as people and how they run their mouth but Trump is a far far far worse abuser than Hills but still that is a closer example.
So outside of your partisan complaining as usual, you didnt answer the question either...why do ultra conservative religious Christians find resonation with Trump? They do because deep down they are similar...they dislike those who are not of their beliefs and faith, they want to force their angry religious views onto others who do not desire it and they want to return this country to the white male ultra conservative religious roots we had in the past, they think Trump will make that happen and how disgusting is that?
Why ask the question the way you did then? If you knew and you are as you claim then the question would never come up. Unfortunately the issue for me is not partisan it is all about the person and their qualities not the GOP platform. I actually think Trump does not really care about the GOP platform and the pillars which it follows, he did not make a strong ultra conservative fiscally responsible presidency. He was not about uniting the country while following the GOP platform. Bush was better at trying to unite and be a statesman while following what his dad and the GOP told him to do, Trump does what he wants to do and what gains him an advantage.
If you knew the answer and understand the issue then it is perplexing why you beat that partisan drum as you do and worry that Trump vs Biden equality exists. In my mind Trump based on his actions, his abusive nature and how he generalizes and puts others down brings things on himself and that is my issue, not that he has a GOP tag due to the GOP followers flocking to a divider and a destroyer.
Why ask the question the way you did then? If you knew and you are as you claim then the question would never come up. Unfortunately the issue for me is not partisan it is all about the person and their qualities not the GOP platform. I actually think Trump does not really care about the GOP platform and the pillars which it follows, he did not make a strong ultra conservative fiscally responsible presidency. He was not about uniting the country while following the GOP platform. Bush was better at trying to unite and be a statesman while following what his dad and the GOP told him to do, Trump does what he wants to do and what gains him an advantage.
If you knew the answer and understand the issue then it is perplexing why you beat that partisan drum as you do and worry that Trump vs Biden equality exists. In my mind Trump based on his actions, his abusive nature and how he generalizes and puts others down brings things on himself and that is my issue, not that he has a GOP tag due to the GOP followers flocking to a divider and a destroyer.
and the one I asked you is a very fair and bi-partisan-esque question in my opinion …..
without questions we stall . I can’t have that . Jump on my back . We’re moving forward partner
And don’t even get me started on the religious hypocrites out there that you are referring to , although I’ve touched on that subject at least a few times in my “ raps “..
you should read them , all you need is a little rhythm and cadence .
wallstreetcappers craps in his draws and pees fuckin backwards from his vaj with a squirt.
Questions always come up …..
and the one I asked you is a very fair and bi-partisan-esque question in my opinion …..
without questions we stall . I can’t have that . Jump on my back . We’re moving forward partner
And don’t even get me started on the religious hypocrites out there that you are referring to , although I’ve touched on that subject at least a few times in my “ raps “..
you should read them , all you need is a little rhythm and cadence .
90+ charges and Iowa sets a record for the biggest caucus win ever! Keep trying.
Here lets go through some of his charges since you can't respond to why an innocent person who committed no crimes would need absolute immunity from those same crimes.Or as you refer to them as,a witchhunt.
Did he have classified documents at MAL,that he was told to return through a subpoena.Where he only returned some of them,lied and then knowingly moved them to a different spot so the investigators couldn't find them?
@UNIMAN
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
90+ charges and Iowa sets a record for the biggest caucus win ever! Keep trying.
Here lets go through some of his charges since you can't respond to why an innocent person who committed no crimes would need absolute immunity from those same crimes.Or as you refer to them as,a witchhunt.
Did he have classified documents at MAL,that he was told to return through a subpoena.Where he only returned some of them,lied and then knowingly moved them to a different spot so the investigators couldn't find them?
Did Joe Biden and his lawyers say they found and returned all classified documents and then the FBI found more? How long did Joe have these documents? Was he even allowed to remove them when he wasn't president? It's all a joke and the people know it. Even Pence had docs. Betcha Bush and Clinton, etc all have/had docs.
@Midnight1
Like MSNBC,you can twist it anyway you can. And you can knock polls when they don't fit.
FACT: People identifying as dems is at it's lowest at 27%. Independents favor Trump over Biden. Trump won Iowa caucus by the widest margin ever. Trump is leading Biden in almost every swing state.
Time to go crazy.
Did Joe Biden and his lawyers say they found and returned all classified documents and then the FBI found more? How long did Joe have these documents? Was he even allowed to remove them when he wasn't president? It's all a joke and the people know it. Even Pence had docs. Betcha Bush and Clinton, etc all have/had docs.
@Midnight1
Like MSNBC,you can twist it anyway you can. And you can knock polls when they don't fit.
FACT: People identifying as dems is at it's lowest at 27%. Independents favor Trump over Biden. Trump won Iowa caucus by the widest margin ever. Trump is leading Biden in almost every swing state.
I like that the FBI now says Hunter's gun pouch had cocaine residue in it. The gun and pouch confiscated in 2018 and they now say the cocaine residue was just found last year, 5 years later.
They knew when they got it. Now that Joe is failing they disclose it. If Joe was leading the race it would have been another laptop like coverup. Republicans would be best to backoff Biden and let his own party crush him.
I like that the FBI now says Hunter's gun pouch had cocaine residue in it. The gun and pouch confiscated in 2018 and they now say the cocaine residue was just found last year, 5 years later.
They knew when they got it. Now that Joe is failing they disclose it. If Joe was leading the race it would have been another laptop like coverup. Republicans would be best to backoff Biden and let his own party crush him.
Your 1,2,3 list is quite amateur hour, if you and the general electorate of the GOP believes what you wrote no wonder you believe the lies and generalities Trump sells.
1. You do not want a secure border, you want to blame illegals for budget deficits and for crime and for inflation and whatever else you can come up with. Illegals are not to blame for most all you listed and if you wanted to get rid of crime and government abuses there are millions of white folk who are soaking off the government, using drugs and killing each other. The local and color of skin does not mean that group will be any different than another group. If you really want to secure the border you would need more than that joke of a wall that your boy put forward with his first four years. Trump did nothing to secure the border or build a wall and what was done was a laugher and has no impact. So secure the border is a term that requires more than a big mac wandering speech waxing poetic, it is a multi decade, multi generational, TRILLIONS of dollars in total investment, it requires hundreds of thousands of people to monitor and police it and maintain it and still the impact is unknown, even if we commit to the degree necessary I am not convinced it accomplishes the needed goals.
2. The economy, can you be more generic in that term? The economy is going along just fine..inflation is not a Biden issue since the government does not run the economy, the government is not profit-gouging the consumer or maintaining supply chain or maintaining inventories. If anything this economy is a souffle that needs to be popped, we consume too much and our GDP is artificially high due to excessive consumption and a lack of savings. The economy ebbs and flows, we are not in a recession or depression and we had 15 years of ZIRP and excessive debt, our economy has been goosed for 15 plus years, I think the economy could slow down and that would a good thing if it meant more savings, less consumption and less debt. The economy if someone believes that are just obtuse and looking for partisan excuses.
3. Foreign policy, your party is the KING of wars, war spending, war mongering and meddling in foreign countries. If you want less foreign involvement then flush the true deep state, the deep state of corporations and dark money, lobbyists and special interests. The real deep state is not partisan and Trump has no control over any such things, but DEEP STATE sounds so super cool...so devious and partisan, its a term that brings the carp to the surface looking for partisan yummies.
@UNIMAN
Your 1,2,3 list is quite amateur hour, if you and the general electorate of the GOP believes what you wrote no wonder you believe the lies and generalities Trump sells.
1. You do not want a secure border, you want to blame illegals for budget deficits and for crime and for inflation and whatever else you can come up with. Illegals are not to blame for most all you listed and if you wanted to get rid of crime and government abuses there are millions of white folk who are soaking off the government, using drugs and killing each other. The local and color of skin does not mean that group will be any different than another group. If you really want to secure the border you would need more than that joke of a wall that your boy put forward with his first four years. Trump did nothing to secure the border or build a wall and what was done was a laugher and has no impact. So secure the border is a term that requires more than a big mac wandering speech waxing poetic, it is a multi decade, multi generational, TRILLIONS of dollars in total investment, it requires hundreds of thousands of people to monitor and police it and maintain it and still the impact is unknown, even if we commit to the degree necessary I am not convinced it accomplishes the needed goals.
2. The economy, can you be more generic in that term? The economy is going along just fine..inflation is not a Biden issue since the government does not run the economy, the government is not profit-gouging the consumer or maintaining supply chain or maintaining inventories. If anything this economy is a souffle that needs to be popped, we consume too much and our GDP is artificially high due to excessive consumption and a lack of savings. The economy ebbs and flows, we are not in a recession or depression and we had 15 years of ZIRP and excessive debt, our economy has been goosed for 15 plus years, I think the economy could slow down and that would a good thing if it meant more savings, less consumption and less debt. The economy if someone believes that are just obtuse and looking for partisan excuses.
3. Foreign policy, your party is the KING of wars, war spending, war mongering and meddling in foreign countries. If you want less foreign involvement then flush the true deep state, the deep state of corporations and dark money, lobbyists and special interests. The real deep state is not partisan and Trump has no control over any such things, but DEEP STATE sounds so super cool...so devious and partisan, its a term that brings the carp to the surface looking for partisan yummies.
Since I hear no defense from you except Biden did something too.You must be admitting that trump is guilty of conspiracy to obstruct justice and making false statements to investigators(it doesn't matter if Biden,Pence,Bush and Clinton did it also,his charges have nothing to do with what other people might of done).And he has provided no defense to the more serious 31 counts under the Espionage Act,which criminalizes the unauthorized possession of national defense information.Which makes it a crime to willfully retain national defense information that could be useful to foreign adversaries.So since he was caught with those documents after he swore that they all had been returned.There is his willfully retaining those documents that he was caught with,so he's guilty of those charges also.Or as you like to cry,"it's all a witch hunt".I guess we know now why Stinky is begging for "absolute immunity".
See here's the thing,you can't go into court with your defense being somebody else did it,so I shouldn't be charged for my crimes.There could be a video of Hunter and Joe Biden shoving classified top secret documents up Chinese leader Xi Jinbing's ass,and it still wouldn't have one single thing to do with trumps case.Here is how our sides are different.I say if Joe Biden broke the law,charge him and as long as it is proven in court he committed those crimes.Then do whatever the courts deem necessary to punish him for his crimes.Your guy is charged with crimes and you whine and cry about how unfair it is,and that it's all a witch hunt.
@UNIMAN
Since I hear no defense from you except Biden did something too.You must be admitting that trump is guilty of conspiracy to obstruct justice and making false statements to investigators(it doesn't matter if Biden,Pence,Bush and Clinton did it also,his charges have nothing to do with what other people might of done).And he has provided no defense to the more serious 31 counts under the Espionage Act,which criminalizes the unauthorized possession of national defense information.Which makes it a crime to willfully retain national defense information that could be useful to foreign adversaries.So since he was caught with those documents after he swore that they all had been returned.There is his willfully retaining those documents that he was caught with,so he's guilty of those charges also.Or as you like to cry,"it's all a witch hunt".I guess we know now why Stinky is begging for "absolute immunity".
See here's the thing,you can't go into court with your defense being somebody else did it,so I shouldn't be charged for my crimes.There could be a video of Hunter and Joe Biden shoving classified top secret documents up Chinese leader Xi Jinbing's ass,and it still wouldn't have one single thing to do with trumps case.Here is how our sides are different.I say if Joe Biden broke the law,charge him and as long as it is proven in court he committed those crimes.Then do whatever the courts deem necessary to punish him for his crimes.Your guy is charged with crimes and you whine and cry about how unfair it is,and that it's all a witch hunt.
I just keep laughing. You gotta save democracy by preventing people from voting for who they think can lead us from this mess. And it's always white supremacy, religion, racism, yada, yada. Watching the lefty news not show Trump's speech after he won Iowa. What are they afraid of, truth? Sadly yes. The more Trump wins the more hate will spew on this site. The "GOP voter" like most Americans, want...... #1. A SECURE BORDER WHERE IMMIGRATION IS CONTROLLED BY LAW. #2. THE ECONOMY. #3.FOREIGN POLICY. Try and hide from that all you want, deflect all you want.
We'll see how much you are laughing when trump starts getting guilty verdicts.I'll bet we hear more crying and whining from you,then laughing from you.
Nobody is preventing anyone from voting for someone.You can vote for Jared from Subway if you want to.Because someone decides to run for office,doesn't mean all of a sudden they don't have to face their crimes.
Then you start crying because the lefty news did not show trumps speech.Didn't fox not even show any of the Jan 6th hearings?What were they afraid of,the truth?Sadly yes.
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
I just keep laughing. You gotta save democracy by preventing people from voting for who they think can lead us from this mess. And it's always white supremacy, religion, racism, yada, yada. Watching the lefty news not show Trump's speech after he won Iowa. What are they afraid of, truth? Sadly yes. The more Trump wins the more hate will spew on this site. The "GOP voter" like most Americans, want...... #1. A SECURE BORDER WHERE IMMIGRATION IS CONTROLLED BY LAW. #2. THE ECONOMY. #3.FOREIGN POLICY. Try and hide from that all you want, deflect all you want.
We'll see how much you are laughing when trump starts getting guilty verdicts.I'll bet we hear more crying and whining from you,then laughing from you.
Nobody is preventing anyone from voting for someone.You can vote for Jared from Subway if you want to.Because someone decides to run for office,doesn't mean all of a sudden they don't have to face their crimes.
Then you start crying because the lefty news did not show trumps speech.Didn't fox not even show any of the Jan 6th hearings?What were they afraid of,the truth?Sadly yes.
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