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Posted: Feb. 15, 2012 - 5:09 PM ET #51

Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

Thanks for the cheat sheet.

No doubt, you didn't think Bush printed an 'inordinate' amount of money. That is what the right wingers tell you to think.



enlighten me, how much did bush "print"

someone i know recently said this

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Speaking of facts to back up a claim(something you don't do)....


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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

Thanks for the cheat sheet.

No doubt, you didn't think Bush printed an 'inordinate' amount of money. That is what the right wingers tell you to think.



enlighten me, how much did bush "print"

someone i know recently said this

Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

Speaking of facts to back up a claim(something you don't do)....


 
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Posted: Feb. 15, 2012 - 5:21 PM ET #52

Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:



enlighten me, how much did bush "print"

someone i know recently said this

Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

Speaking of facts to back up a claim(something you don't do)....


You made the statement that Bush did not do so, yet provided no facts. What is inordinate? And how would that impact future obligations created (such as wars)?

I look forward to actual evidence supporting your assertion that Bush did not do so, yet Obama did.

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Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:



enlighten me, how much did bush "print"

someone i know recently said this

Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

Speaking of facts to back up a claim(something you don't do)....


You made the statement that Bush did not do so, yet provided no facts. What is inordinate? And how would that impact future obligations created (such as wars)?

I look forward to actual evidence supporting your assertion that Bush did not do so, yet Obama did.

 
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Posted: Feb. 15, 2012 - 6:17 PM ET #53

Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

As I recall, you were ini agreement with Palin a few months ago when the price of milk, etc were linked to QE, no?

But you did point out that my comment should have said often caused because you are right, inflation has existed many times when the cause had little or nothing to do with the devaluation of the dollar.



MANY MANY MANY moving parts here. I don't think that Quantum Easing is the only way to inflate the money supply, i just happen to feel that it is an energy wasting, proven failed response to the so called problem at hand

YES, i did and still do believe that when the world market is drowning in dollar saturation, and the market wants debt to be purged, and credit to be destroyed, that counterfieting currency to inflate the money supply and keep the most levered risk takers whole at the expense of John Q. Taxpayer, will cause price increases on the most basic of goods (oil speculators and the rest of the commodity spec'ers closest to the troughs seem to favor this action.) By that we mean banks, and by banks, we mean those with a monied interest in those banks, which are mostly large instituions like pension funds for all the gov and union employees.

It's pushing on levers, and water doesn't always flow in the direction you intend it to. It finds it's level.

In reality, dollars have been evaporating from the system by the minute since housing peaked in late '06. That's what the market wants. Bankrupt entities to realize their bankrupt-ness.

So i stand behind both statements

In reality, i believe that the main driver for inflation is land values, and more generally speaking, inflating them via debt.  When a generation or two all agrees that land is in fixed supply and "can only go up in price!, Buy now or be priced out forever", then they will bury themselves with debt to prove their greed and self-fullfilling prophecy. INflate land values and you inflate the amount of debt that all of humanity is effected by, via the USDollar
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

As I recall, you were ini agreement with Palin a few months ago when the price of milk, etc were linked to QE, no?

But you did point out that my comment should have said often caused because you are right, inflation has existed many times when the cause had little or nothing to do with the devaluation of the dollar.



MANY MANY MANY moving parts here. I don't think that Quantum Easing is the only way to inflate the money supply, i just happen to feel that it is an energy wasting, proven failed response to the so called problem at hand

YES, i did and still do believe that when the world market is drowning in dollar saturation, and the market wants debt to be purged, and credit to be destroyed, that counterfieting currency to inflate the money supply and keep the most levered risk takers whole at the expense of John Q. Taxpayer, will cause price increases on the most basic of goods (oil speculators and the rest of the commodity spec'ers closest to the troughs seem to favor this action.) By that we mean banks, and by banks, we mean those with a monied interest in those banks, which are mostly large instituions like pension funds for all the gov and union employees.

It's pushing on levers, and water doesn't always flow in the direction you intend it to. It finds it's level.

In reality, dollars have been evaporating from the system by the minute since housing peaked in late '06. That's what the market wants. Bankrupt entities to realize their bankrupt-ness.

So i stand behind both statements

In reality, i believe that the main driver for inflation is land values, and more generally speaking, inflating them via debt.  When a generation or two all agrees that land is in fixed supply and "can only go up in price!, Buy now or be priced out forever", then they will bury themselves with debt to prove their greed and self-fullfilling prophecy. INflate land values and you inflate the amount of debt that all of humanity is effected by, via the USDollar
 
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Posted: Feb. 15, 2012 - 9:43 PM ET #54

Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

You made the statement that Bush did not do so, yet provided no facts. What is inordinate? And how would that impact future obligations created (such as wars)?

I look forward to actual evidence supporting your assertion that Bush did not do so, yet Obama did.



how can i prove something that didnt happen?

you are the one claiming bush over 8 years "printed" something equivalent to obama "printing" over $2T in 3 years.

id expect nothing less from you, spinning deflecting.  you made the original claim that inflation was due to non partisan printing of money and now you want me to provide you proof of your claim.  why the fuck would i do that when i know your claim is flase?
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

You made the statement that Bush did not do so, yet provided no facts. What is inordinate? And how would that impact future obligations created (such as wars)?

I look forward to actual evidence supporting your assertion that Bush did not do so, yet Obama did.



how can i prove something that didnt happen?

you are the one claiming bush over 8 years "printed" something equivalent to obama "printing" over $2T in 3 years.

id expect nothing less from you, spinning deflecting.  you made the original claim that inflation was due to non partisan printing of money and now you want me to provide you proof of your claim.  why the fuck would i do that when i know your claim is flase?
 
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Posted: Feb. 15, 2012 - 11:06 PM ET #55

Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:



how can i prove something that didnt happen?

you are the one claiming bush over 8 years "printed" something equivalent to obama "printing" over $2T in 3 years.

id expect nothing less from you, spinning deflecting.  you made the original claim that inflation was due to non partisan printing of money and now you want me to provide you proof of your claim.  why the fuck would i do that when i know your claim is flase?

You made the following claim:

<<yes or no, did bush "print" an inordinate amount of money?

NO>>

Can you back that up?

Just wondering..

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Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:



how can i prove something that didnt happen?

you are the one claiming bush over 8 years "printed" something equivalent to obama "printing" over $2T in 3 years.

id expect nothing less from you, spinning deflecting.  you made the original claim that inflation was due to non partisan printing of money and now you want me to provide you proof of your claim.  why the fuck would i do that when i know your claim is flase?

You made the following claim:

<<yes or no, did bush "print" an inordinate amount of money?

NO>>

Can you back that up?

Just wondering..

 
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Posted: Feb. 15, 2012 - 11:20 PM ET #56

Quote Originally Posted by be easy:



MANY MANY MANY moving parts here. I don't think that Quantum Easing is the only way to inflate the money supply, i just happen to feel that it is an energy wasting, proven failed response to the so called problem at hand

YES, i did and still do believe that when the world market is drowning in dollar saturation, and the market wants debt to be purged, and credit to be destroyed, that counterfieting currency to inflate the money supply and keep the most levered risk takers whole at the expense of John Q. Taxpayer, will cause price increases on the most basic of goods (oil speculators and the rest of the commodity spec'ers closest to the troughs seem to favor this action.) By that we mean banks, and by banks, we mean those with a monied interest in those banks, which are mostly large instituions like pension funds for all the gov and union employees.

It's pushing on levers, and water doesn't always flow in the direction you intend it to. It finds it's level.

In reality, dollars have been evaporating from the system by the minute since housing peaked in late '06. That's what the market wants. Bankrupt entities to realize their bankrupt-ness.

So i stand behind both statements

In reality, i believe that the main driver for inflation is land values, and more generally speaking, inflating them via debt.  When a generation or two all agrees that land is in fixed supply and "can only go up in price!, Buy now or be priced out forever", then they will bury themselves with debt to prove their greed and self-fullfilling prophecy. INflate land values and you inflate the amount of debt that all of humanity is effected by, via the USDollar

Obviously inflating land values increases one's spending power. You and I both know why. Doing so however, also artificially boosts the economy (based on the principle of borrowing/spending power). So it is easy to see why ever politician wants the housing market to be as inflated as possible during their tenure.

Back to the subject, however. If you believe that increased money supply/dollar saturation causes inflation, than it is has a corallary impact on the same housing market by doing exactly as you said...decreasing that actual dollar value, which obviously creates the cyclical problem.

But Palin's theory on the cost of milk due to QE cannot possible be congruent with your theory....because the cause/effect analysis could never be as immediate.

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MANY MANY MANY moving parts here. I don't think that Quantum Easing is the only way to inflate the money supply, i just happen to feel that it is an energy wasting, proven failed response to the so called problem at hand

YES, i did and still do believe that when the world market is drowning in dollar saturation, and the market wants debt to be purged, and credit to be destroyed, that counterfieting currency to inflate the money supply and keep the most levered risk takers whole at the expense of John Q. Taxpayer, will cause price increases on the most basic of goods (oil speculators and the rest of the commodity spec'ers closest to the troughs seem to favor this action.) By that we mean banks, and by banks, we mean those with a monied interest in those banks, which are mostly large instituions like pension funds for all the gov and union employees.

It's pushing on levers, and water doesn't always flow in the direction you intend it to. It finds it's level.

In reality, dollars have been evaporating from the system by the minute since housing peaked in late '06. That's what the market wants. Bankrupt entities to realize their bankrupt-ness.

So i stand behind both statements

In reality, i believe that the main driver for inflation is land values, and more generally speaking, inflating them via debt.  When a generation or two all agrees that land is in fixed supply and "can only go up in price!, Buy now or be priced out forever", then they will bury themselves with debt to prove their greed and self-fullfilling prophecy. INflate land values and you inflate the amount of debt that all of humanity is effected by, via the USDollar

Obviously inflating land values increases one's spending power. You and I both know why. Doing so however, also artificially boosts the economy (based on the principle of borrowing/spending power). So it is easy to see why ever politician wants the housing market to be as inflated as possible during their tenure.

Back to the subject, however. If you believe that increased money supply/dollar saturation causes inflation, than it is has a corallary impact on the same housing market by doing exactly as you said...decreasing that actual dollar value, which obviously creates the cyclical problem.

But Palin's theory on the cost of milk due to QE cannot possible be congruent with your theory....because the cause/effect analysis could never be as immediate.

 
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Since when did Don Juan = DL36?

Where are you hiding and why are you avoiding that question? Very, very fishy.

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what are you even talking about?


Arent you the guy that said that the way to rehabilitate criminals is to show the videos in prisons of people enjoying the fruits of their labors?


Give your crack pot theories rest
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Since when did Don Juan = DL36?

Where are you hiding and why are you avoiding that question? Very, very fishy.

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what are you even talking about?


Arent you the guy that said that the way to rehabilitate criminals is to show the videos in prisons of people enjoying the fruits of their labors?


Give your crack pot theories rest
 
 
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Post #30 in this thread where you defiantly answered FOR don juan not realizing which alias you were logged in on.

Futile attempts to deflect the attention on me while you keep on NOT answering why you answered for don juan.

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Post #30 in this thread where you defiantly answered FOR don juan not realizing which alias you were logged in on.

Futile attempts to deflect the attention on me while you keep on NOT answering why you answered for don juan.

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