Help me understand "Fair-Share"

Scenario 1 -

Individual A Earns $50,000 and has $8,625 (17.2%) taken from him in income tax.

Individual B Earns $100,000 and has $21,617 (21.6%) taken from him in income tax.

Individual C Earns $200,000 and has $50,897 (25.4%) taken from him in income tax.

Scenario 2 -

Individual A earns $50,000 and has $5,000 (10%) taken from him in income tax.

Individual B earns $100,000 and has $10,000 (10%) taken from him in income tax.

Individual C earns $200,000 and has $20,000 (10%) taken from him in income tax.

Which scenario is more "fair"?

Scenario 2 is clearly more "fair" (impossible to dispute if words mean things to you). Yet...

Our leader gives speeches, with a straight face, telling us that individual C who is having six times as much of his money in dollars and paying a tax rate 33% higher than individual A, is not paying as fair a share as individual A. Does individual C get 7 times the "services" as individual A? Is that how our king conjurs "inequity" from this all true real example? Does the more one makes make him more likely to depend on "government services"?  Someone please help.

If lowering taxes on the wealthy for 12 years didn't work, and no taxes to pay for 2 wars didn't work, causing the "great resession".. What in the samhill makes you think current taxes or further reductions will suceed?

What does it really matter what percent the tax brackets are set for people in the top tax brackets?

It's the effective tax rate that is the difinitive amount a taxpayer pays in taxes as a percentage of total income...

In 2009 the average effective federal tax rate for American taxpayers was 11%, according to an analysis by the Tax Foundation, a non-profit think tank..

My tax bracket is 25% for 2011.. I will pay an efficivtive tax rate of 10.2 % ..

Raising the tax brackets on millionaires and high earners will not mean much if there is not a complete tax reform..imo

As far as the meaning of "Fair-Share when used by President Obama it only means = class warfare for a few more votes...nothing else.

Your great recession was caused by housing bubble bursting and high fuel costs. Please don't rely on Stiln for your info anymore.

If conservative economic phylosophys truely do not work then we never would have recovered economically when 9/11 happened.

Think about it yourself.

You're not the brightest light in the candelabra. The housing bubble burst happens when people lose their jobs.

Secondly, We haven't recovered yet because we had a tax cut. We needed a tax increase to pay for the wars.

The last thing I'd do is rely on anybody here for my info. Lol

I have lived it Pal. I'm old enough to be your great grandfather.

Right...people lost their jobs because of the high fuel prices. They didn't lose their jobs becuase of bushs policys.

LoL.......

I am going to try to get through that thick head of yours one more time.

When G W Bush took office gasoline was 1.52  a gallon.

Today I paid 3.59  for a gallon. GET IT YET ?

In January 2009, the month Obama took office, the average price of a gallon of reguar gasoline in the US was $1.85..

When G W Bush took office gasoline it was 1.52  a gallon

So the price of a gallon of gas went up 33 cents over 8 years under Pres.GWBush and under Pres.Obama in three years it went uo $1.74 and climbing ...

I get it .......

President Barack Obama gets it too, because today he listed the rising gas prices as one of the reasons to extend the payroll tax cut... middle-class workers need that $40 in their pay every paycheck to help pay for gas to get to and from work ..

If Obama is the answer ...

How stupid was the question ?

Link on Gas prices 

Notice the signifant increase in gas prices that started the economy going in the wrong direction that led to massive job losses that led to people losing their homes and ultimately caused the housing bubble to burst.

2006 was first sign of $3 per gallon gas..

I dont give a rats ass what you paid today. The economy started tanking in line with 2.80+ Gas prices in 2006 and by 2008 hit all time highs.

unemployment 4.4% in Dec of 2006 (after 9/11 spike of 6.3% June 2003)

unemployment 7.3% in Dec of 2008

Waiting for your arguement to counter these facts.

No way. Bowslit won't admit to that. The right wingers that tell him what to think will never admit to such.

All of don juans post in this thread show that he is not part of the we that do get it. Wants to blame the whole recession on GOP policies. Livin in some fantasy world that and somehow go silent when facts tell the opposite story than what he believes.

Really DJ...I thought for sure you wouldnt want to get into it with me after your last epic fail with me.

I've given links that show I've done my own research and I've made my own conclusions.

You are wrong. You are arbitrarily defining "fair" as "contributes an equal percentage of income" but I could just as easily define "fair" as "is left with an equal amount of money after taxes".

There are two facts that you're missing: 1) The utility of money has diminishing returns. Simply put, individual A values each dollar more highly than individual B or C. This should be obvious: if you take $50k from A, he starves to death. Take it from B and he's at half income, take it from C and he might not even notice.

2) Government services such as Police and fire departments, utilities, licensing and zoning boards, public education, welfare, medicare, and social security are all stabilizing influences on society, and people who make more money are benefiting more from having this stable society, so it's only "fair" that they give more money to the government to fund these stabilizing factors.

Self professed victories.

I've never seen one comment, argument, or quote from you that I couldn't get from googling "right wing rhetoric."

I'm certainly hoping you aren't referring to anything regarding your 'minimum wage increases are responsible for price increases' thread which fellow lean right posters Rooster and Be Easy (both of whom actually have intelligent minds of their own and use them as such)blew you out of the water, among others.

Stiln, Why would you mix income tax discussions with things that are paid for with property taxes and other fees? Utilities are'nt paid by taxes. If you get a license for something you usually pay a fee for it. WTF are you talking about?

<<2) Government services such as Police and fire departments, utilities, licensing and zoning boards, public education, welfare, medicare, and social security are all stabilizing influences on society, and people who make more money are benefiting more from having this stable society, so it's only "fair" that they give more money to the government to fund these stabilizing factors.>>