According to even the pro minimum wage hikers Seattle is thriving due to high tech. Have read numerous articles on the Seattle experiment and haven't seen convincing evidence on either side that it is either helping narrow the gap between rich and poor or that it is increasing unemployment. Until they put out definitive proof both on a micro and macro level, it seems to me that any artificial change to minimum wage will have limited effect.
According to even the pro minimum wage hikers Seattle is thriving due to high tech. Have read numerous articles on the Seattle experiment and haven't seen convincing evidence on either side that it is either helping narrow the gap between rich and poor or that it is increasing unemployment. Until they put out definitive proof both on a micro and macro level, it seems to me that any artificial change to minimum wage will have limited effect.
$15 is a little high for servers. So you start paying full time servers 30k per yr, what would a business have to pay support staff, secretaries and the like? They at least have a skill set that should be reflected in their compensation.
The recent increase on ontario is going to result in a net loss for the very people it was intended to help. Its not corporate greed its just business. I know a few people in the restaurant biz in nova scotia, they cant pay servers 30k per yr, just not feasible.
Are you serious ?
15 dollars per hour is NOT a lot of money in Ontario
especially in the GTA
Nova Scotia's cost of living is lower than Ontario's cost of living
As of April 1, 2017, Nova Scotia's Minimum Wage rate was increased to $10.85 per hour from $10.70 per hour. The inexperienced rate was increased to $10.35 per hour from $10.20 per hour.
$15 is a little high for servers. So you start paying full time servers 30k per yr, what would a business have to pay support staff, secretaries and the like? They at least have a skill set that should be reflected in their compensation.
The recent increase on ontario is going to result in a net loss for the very people it was intended to help. Its not corporate greed its just business. I know a few people in the restaurant biz in nova scotia, they cant pay servers 30k per yr, just not feasible.
Are you serious ?
15 dollars per hour is NOT a lot of money in Ontario
especially in the GTA
Nova Scotia's cost of living is lower than Ontario's cost of living
As of April 1, 2017, Nova Scotia's Minimum Wage rate was increased to $10.85 per hour from $10.70 per hour. The inexperienced rate was increased to $10.35 per hour from $10.20 per hour.
QUOTE Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth: $15 is a little high for servers. So you start paying full time servers 30k per yr, what would a business have to pay support staff, secretaries and the like? They at least have a skill set that should be reflected in their compensation. The recent increase on ontario is going to result in a net loss for the very people it was intended to help. Its not corporate greed its just business. I know a few people in the restaurant biz in nova scotia, they cant pay servers 30k per yr, just not feasible. Are you serious ? 15 dollars per hour is NOT a lot of money in Ontarioespecially in the GTANova Scotia's cost of living is lower than Ontario's cost of livingAs of April 1, 2017, Nova Scotia's Minimum Wage rate was increased to $10.85 per hour from $10.70 per hour. The inexperienced rate was increased to $10.35 per hour from $10.20 per hour.https://novascotia.ca/lae/employmentrights/minimumwagefaq.asp
How much do you pay your employees? Stop googling crap and post an opinion moron.
Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:
QUOTE Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth: $15 is a little high for servers. So you start paying full time servers 30k per yr, what would a business have to pay support staff, secretaries and the like? They at least have a skill set that should be reflected in their compensation. The recent increase on ontario is going to result in a net loss for the very people it was intended to help. Its not corporate greed its just business. I know a few people in the restaurant biz in nova scotia, they cant pay servers 30k per yr, just not feasible. Are you serious ? 15 dollars per hour is NOT a lot of money in Ontarioespecially in the GTANova Scotia's cost of living is lower than Ontario's cost of livingAs of April 1, 2017, Nova Scotia's Minimum Wage rate was increased to $10.85 per hour from $10.70 per hour. The inexperienced rate was increased to $10.35 per hour from $10.20 per hour.https://novascotia.ca/lae/employmentrights/minimumwagefaq.asp
How much do you pay your employees? Stop googling crap and post an opinion moron.
Doom and gloom predictions about minimum wage on job losses and inflation aren't always supported by evidence. National employment law project found no correlation between minimum wage increases and lower employment because of increased productivity and consumer spending in the long term.
Impact of minimum wage legislation is overrated. Only 1% of workers earn minimum wage according to Bureau of labor statistics. For decades, wages have failed to keep up with inflation. Wage increases are usually small and gradually spread over years to allow business to adapt in cities with strong economy and far higher average wage. For example, Seattle continues to thrive.
Contrary to sterotype of teenager living at home, 70% of minimum age workers are over 19 years of age. According to Economic policy institute, over 600 American economists urge government to raise minimum wage because it would help boost US economy.
However unfair to punish only industries with low wage workers. Better alternatives that benefit a broader population in poverty include tax credits, wage subsidies and collective bargaining.
I get your point. But some of the studies we do/and look at worry about the converse. Does it really help the MW folks in the long run? Or does it disencourage them to get off MW? For example, consider the following:
Last week the Census Bureau released its annual report on household income data for 2016. Last year the median (middle) average household income rose to $59,149, a 4.1% increase over 2015 and a record high. The median average income adjusted for inflation is also at a record high, above the peak of $58,882 set in 2000. The mean (average) household income set a new high of $83,143.
But your point has some validity because of the lack of a vacuum.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Doom and gloom predictions about minimum wage on job losses and inflation aren't always supported by evidence. National employment law project found no correlation between minimum wage increases and lower employment because of increased productivity and consumer spending in the long term.
Impact of minimum wage legislation is overrated. Only 1% of workers earn minimum wage according to Bureau of labor statistics. For decades, wages have failed to keep up with inflation. Wage increases are usually small and gradually spread over years to allow business to adapt in cities with strong economy and far higher average wage. For example, Seattle continues to thrive.
Contrary to sterotype of teenager living at home, 70% of minimum age workers are over 19 years of age. According to Economic policy institute, over 600 American economists urge government to raise minimum wage because it would help boost US economy.
However unfair to punish only industries with low wage workers. Better alternatives that benefit a broader population in poverty include tax credits, wage subsidies and collective bargaining.
I get your point. But some of the studies we do/and look at worry about the converse. Does it really help the MW folks in the long run? Or does it disencourage them to get off MW? For example, consider the following:
Last week the Census Bureau released its annual report on household income data for 2016. Last year the median (middle) average household income rose to $59,149, a 4.1% increase over 2015 and a record high. The median average income adjusted for inflation is also at a record high, above the peak of $58,882 set in 2000. The mean (average) household income set a new high of $83,143.
But your point has some validity because of the lack of a vacuum.
15 dollars per hour is NOT a lot of money in Ontario
especially in the GTA
Nova Scotia's cost of living is lower than Ontario's cost of living
As of April 1, 2017, Nova Scotia's Minimum Wage rate was increased to $10.85 per hour from $10.70 per hour. The inexperienced rate was increased to $10.35 per hour from $10.20 per hour.
I think he is referring to a wage with tipping etc. It skews things in that particular field because they make most of their money from tips. So if your front load the salary --- then the services that don't use tipping would normally have to rise as well. I think that's what he meant??
Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:
Are you serious ?
15 dollars per hour is NOT a lot of money in Ontario
especially in the GTA
Nova Scotia's cost of living is lower than Ontario's cost of living
As of April 1, 2017, Nova Scotia's Minimum Wage rate was increased to $10.85 per hour from $10.70 per hour. The inexperienced rate was increased to $10.35 per hour from $10.20 per hour.
I think he is referring to a wage with tipping etc. It skews things in that particular field because they make most of their money from tips. So if your front load the salary --- then the services that don't use tipping would normally have to rise as well. I think that's what he meant??
I was talking with a waitress this weekend as I tend to do & learned she got to keep 70% of her tips. The other 30% went to the busboy, person delivering the food & bartender if alcohol was involved in a bill. If the bartender wasn't involved, she got to keep 80%.
There have been shifts where she received 30 bucks in tips. You do the math.
I was talking with a waitress this weekend as I tend to do & learned she got to keep 70% of her tips. The other 30% went to the busboy, person delivering the food & bartender if alcohol was involved in a bill. If the bartender wasn't involved, she got to keep 80%.
There have been shifts where she received 30 bucks in tips. You do the math.
QUOTE Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth: How much do you pay your employees? Stop googling crap and post an opinion moron. You got exposed . you called me name You're a fraud
On second thought go back to google cut and paste jobs. Your thoughts are disjointed and make no sense. You communicate at a grade three level, and that's being charitable. Run your post through grammar check it will provide you with an accurate assessment of your linguistic skillz.
If you are suffering from a learning disability i apologize.
Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:
QUOTE Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth: How much do you pay your employees? Stop googling crap and post an opinion moron. You got exposed . you called me name You're a fraud
On second thought go back to google cut and paste jobs. Your thoughts are disjointed and make no sense. You communicate at a grade three level, and that's being charitable. Run your post through grammar check it will provide you with an accurate assessment of your linguistic skillz.
If you are suffering from a learning disability i apologize.
On second thought go back to google cut and paste jobs. Your thoughts are disjointed and make no sense. You communicate at a grade three level, and that's being charitable. Run your post through grammar check it will provide you with an accurate assessment of your linguistic skillz.
If you are suffering from a learning disability i apologize.
You need to apologize for posting BS
It will take a very long time before minimum wage reaches 15 dollars in Nova Scotia (10.85 right now from 10.70)
You're a fraud
Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:
On second thought go back to google cut and paste jobs. Your thoughts are disjointed and make no sense. You communicate at a grade three level, and that's being charitable. Run your post through grammar check it will provide you with an accurate assessment of your linguistic skillz.
If you are suffering from a learning disability i apologize.
You need to apologize for posting BS
It will take a very long time before minimum wage reaches 15 dollars in Nova Scotia (10.85 right now from 10.70)
You want to pay food workers low income , Good Luck getting them to wash their hands , stay off their cell phones , Focus etc ....
You Don't want people touching your food that don't care about their Jobs
Not sure if you're up on business, but here's what happens:
You raise the "Minimum Wage" for "service jobs" to (an insane) $15/Hour - - (I'm not including people in the service industry who work for tips, because you work for those)
Anyways.....
I'd like to refer you back to the OP - - WalMart, Kroger, McDonalds, WHO THE FU## EVER decides "Hmmmm, $15/Hour for some flunkie? Why can't the customer simply slide their credit card and a robot arm hands them their FU##ING Filet-O-Fish????"
Like I said in the original post, (but I guess some people need it spelled out for them) - - YOU SHOULDN'T "FIGHT FOR $15!!!!"
Because, you know why? In the very near future - - -
The $15 is going to go to one college grad who can supervise a bunch of robot arms to make sure you get your Quarter Pounder With Cheese just the way you like it, and for $1.99 - - NOT to the lifetime FU##-UP "Fighting For $15" at the age of 30, and STILL WORKING THE REGISTER AT FU##ING MCDONALDS.....
Once again, good luck at the unemployment line.....
Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:
You get what you pay for
You want to pay food workers low income , Good Luck getting them to wash their hands , stay off their cell phones , Focus etc ....
You Don't want people touching your food that don't care about their Jobs
Not sure if you're up on business, but here's what happens:
You raise the "Minimum Wage" for "service jobs" to (an insane) $15/Hour - - (I'm not including people in the service industry who work for tips, because you work for those)
Anyways.....
I'd like to refer you back to the OP - - WalMart, Kroger, McDonalds, WHO THE FU## EVER decides "Hmmmm, $15/Hour for some flunkie? Why can't the customer simply slide their credit card and a robot arm hands them their FU##ING Filet-O-Fish????"
Like I said in the original post, (but I guess some people need it spelled out for them) - - YOU SHOULDN'T "FIGHT FOR $15!!!!"
Because, you know why? In the very near future - - -
The $15 is going to go to one college grad who can supervise a bunch of robot arms to make sure you get your Quarter Pounder With Cheese just the way you like it, and for $1.99 - - NOT to the lifetime FU##-UP "Fighting For $15" at the age of 30, and STILL WORKING THE REGISTER AT FU##ING MCDONALDS.....
Once again, good luck at the unemployment line.....
$2.35 working in a bowling alley age 16-17, then I got a real job.
In 2018, $10 or $12 an hour, people will get comfortable there. What happens to the young people that try to get what should be an entry level job after the 30 year old is dug in making his nickel a week and happy about it?
100% Gimme... All the jobs the teens had will be disappearing faster than they were going to because of automation. They just provided a great motivator to eliminate those service jobs even faster. Within 2-3 years you will place an order on a kiosk at every chain restaurant.
$2.35 working in a bowling alley age 16-17, then I got a real job.
In 2018, $10 or $12 an hour, people will get comfortable there. What happens to the young people that try to get what should be an entry level job after the 30 year old is dug in making his nickel a week and happy about it?
100% Gimme... All the jobs the teens had will be disappearing faster than they were going to because of automation. They just provided a great motivator to eliminate those service jobs even faster. Within 2-3 years you will place an order on a kiosk at every chain restaurant.
Your thoughts are disjointed and make no sense. You communicate at a grade three level, and that's being charitable. Run your post through grammar check it will provide you with an accurate assessment of your linguistic skillz. If you are suffering from a learning disability i apologize.
You describe Trump perfectly
Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:
Your thoughts are disjointed and make no sense. You communicate at a grade three level, and that's being charitable. Run your post through grammar check it will provide you with an accurate assessment of your linguistic skillz. If you are suffering from a learning disability i apologize.
QUOTE Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth: On second thought go back to google cut and paste jobs. Your thoughts are disjointed and make no sense. You communicate at a grade three level, and that's being charitable. Run your post through grammar check it will provide you with an accurate assessment of your linguistic skillz. If you are suffering from a learning disability i apologize. You need to apologize for posting BSIt will take a very long time before minimum wage reaches 15 dollars in Nova Scotia (10.85 right now from 10.70)You're a fraud
What are you talking about.
You keep bringing up nova scotia, the thread topic is $15 min wage. What the fuck does nova scotia fucking min wage have to do with this fucking topic.
You are dumber than joy behar!
Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:
QUOTE Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth: On second thought go back to google cut and paste jobs. Your thoughts are disjointed and make no sense. You communicate at a grade three level, and that's being charitable. Run your post through grammar check it will provide you with an accurate assessment of your linguistic skillz. If you are suffering from a learning disability i apologize. You need to apologize for posting BSIt will take a very long time before minimum wage reaches 15 dollars in Nova Scotia (10.85 right now from 10.70)You're a fraud
What are you talking about.
You keep bringing up nova scotia, the thread topic is $15 min wage. What the fuck does nova scotia fucking min wage have to do with this fucking topic.
You keep bringing up nova scotia, the thread topic is $15 min wage. What the darn does nova scotia friggin min wage have to do with this friggin topic.
You are dumber than joy behar!
Dude before you call people dumb, you need to take a closer look in the mirror to see what dumb really looks like
You started running your mouth in post #2, then in post #10 you brought up Nova Scotia (From post #10 I know a few people in the restaurant biz in nova scotia, they cant pay servers 30k per yr, just not feasible. )
Nova Scotia servers won't be making 15 dollars per hour for a very long time since they have the lowest minimum wage in Canada (10.85 per hour)
The servers do alright on tips, I was a server for a few yrs, made min wage and took home on avg 1k per week in tips. My pay was about 600 for two weeks.
Tip is not guaranteed . you were lucky to make that kind of money.
Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:
What are you talking about.
You keep bringing up nova scotia, the thread topic is $15 min wage. What the darn does nova scotia friggin min wage have to do with this friggin topic.
You are dumber than joy behar!
Dude before you call people dumb, you need to take a closer look in the mirror to see what dumb really looks like
You started running your mouth in post #2, then in post #10 you brought up Nova Scotia (From post #10 I know a few people in the restaurant biz in nova scotia, they cant pay servers 30k per yr, just not feasible. )
Nova Scotia servers won't be making 15 dollars per hour for a very long time since they have the lowest minimum wage in Canada (10.85 per hour)
The servers do alright on tips, I was a server for a few yrs, made min wage and took home on avg 1k per week in tips. My pay was about 600 for two weeks.
Tip is not guaranteed . you were lucky to make that kind of money.
I'd like to refer you back to the OP - - WalMart, Kroger, McDonalds, WHO THE FU## EVER decides "Hmmmm, $15/Hour for some flunkie? Why can't the customer simply slide their credit card and a robot arm hands them their FU##ING Filet-O-Fish????"
(The burger-flipping robotic fry cook has been temporarily "retired." Why? Because the robot's human colleagues couldn't keep up with it.)
Yeah......
So.....
Like I said before.....
Just a matter of time.....
Will you still be "Fighting For $15" at the unemployment office?
{mic drop}
Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:
I'd like to refer you back to the OP - - WalMart, Kroger, McDonalds, WHO THE FU## EVER decides "Hmmmm, $15/Hour for some flunkie? Why can't the customer simply slide their credit card and a robot arm hands them their FU##ING Filet-O-Fish????"
You're a fraud 
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