DOJ to Obama: "Don't leave town....."

@nature1970

 Multiple people wrote them.  It is not just one document that is being questioned.
So it is not hard at all to prove what was written and communicated.  
I think they will have to make a case to go to the courts now, or for sure, have hearings on it.  It is just a bad look all around. Most really do not want to think this could have happened the way it looks to have happened.  Most really do not want to put a former administration and President through this.  This has always been the case in situations like this in the past.  Even though there is the idea the media would be more sympathetic to a Democratic administration.  A lot of folks think what is done is done and move on.  But others say it would certainly set a bad precedent if you do simply move on.  The problem in this situation is that the more that comes out the more there will be a push from the folks to do something.  Then the media will have to be more open to covering it. Etc., etc.

[Quote: Originally Posted by Raiders22]@nature1970     Enough of his  party.... There have been times in the distant past ..."""".    Where are the conspirators Don't tell me Barry did this all by himself .... I like to see one of Obama's cabinet members verify this not the trash in 1600 Penn Ave but of 3 previous administrations ago. If Brennan spoke on this that I would consider proof. Or if Gates did what about comie or any of the former FBI CIA or NSA deputy Secretaries is there any member that served in the Obama administration that can verify this on a Sunday morning or evening interview broadcast . Because no I do not believe Trump or any member of his cabinet. They will do anything their boss asks it how they keep their job....

See it doesn't make sense to me that if this was done this way, that document would be filed.... Not sure how else to put this... But no not buying that spin off to deflect from Trump not releasing the Epstein files... It not me he did this act is thin and with trump fabricated stories are part of his charm...

You remember Bush administration that went to war on false reports.... Weapons of mass destruction, chemical nuclear biological Saddam had right? These people engineer documents and classified files on a daily basis.... Or McCain " the principal of the economy is sound.... Or even Obama, " Americans don't want the truth they want a story" , this is what has been done in a city of secrets for over 100 years.... And Trump is no different.

As far as Trump collusion with Russia I didn't buy that story then I won't now Putin wants nothing to do with the man's schemes.

He never did, there is still no trump tower in Moscow....

Did Putin despise Clinton yes he most certainly did and she was replaced by Kerry who Putin allowed to have an apartment in Moscow while at embassy.

But I don't believe a word that comes from his administration faces, case in point...th signal chat server... Didn't we just go through not using public communication to release troop plane and attack movement, asked herself on camera he lied, then they went to the post fabricated the whole thing and the owner came forward with the recording and then went to we won't do that again..... 

Same bag of tricks here 

@nature1970

 I agree.  I doubt it was all him.  Maybe big influence on the final say for sure though. 

@nature1970

 Yeah.  I think that is a copout by a lot of folks.  These are two very separate issues.  To be honest I do not think Trump cares about one of them at all.  The other one he may care a bit more about just because it would prove him right, yet again.  
But overall, he simply seems way more focused on moving the country forward on the things he campaigned on.  I do think a younger Trump would absolutely pursue it.  
I wish he had been more focused with a better surrounding group the first go-around.  

@nature1970

 As far as Trump collusion with Russia I didn't buy that story then I won't now Putin wants nothing to do with the man's schemes. 

Yeah, I do not think many folks did.  But the ones that ‘wanted’ it to be true forced it on enough folks to keep it going. 
All folks had to do is look at the way Trump handled them the first administration to see that was not the case. 

Like I always say, even in basketball you cannot pump fake at the free throw line.  If you do, they simply take the ball from you.  Sadaam could only posture so long and not allow complete inspection for so long.  People actually tend to start to believe you if you do that long enough.

So, those are completely different issues with correspondingly different types of reports and/substantiating documentation, etc.

What was done by Obama's administration was the bengazi story, had Susan rice parade around every Sunday morning news program. It was a protest against a film made in Hollywood. Except the film was never made.

This story rang through the UN DC and the world.... 

This was a complete fabrication. Truth was the administration is dirty in this exact case. First Obama and Susan Rice spending the evening in Vegas and Obama acting like the media and Republicans were attacking his wife when the lies were exposed.

Why doesn't his administration do a public service and release those files.... Or dig further back when Billy ordered the burning of 70 plus children in Waco Texas and the helicopter ordered to return without dropping the fire retardant that day.... How about these documents.... Because the Russian nothing burger is lame at best.

@nature1970

 Yeah, pretty much.

Pretty powerful documents, I can't wait to watch Clapper and Brennan squirm ! 

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Former national security advisor Bolton dismisses Gabbards bonkers allegations accusing Obama of a coup against Trump.  He claims her findings are exaggerated and lack substance.  "She imagined evidence that doesn't exist." Her efforts have not produced any new information about 2016 election.  There is no justification for justice department to launch a criminal investigation.

Libs are doing all they can to poo-poo the release of previously classified info on Obama's Russia collusion hoax. Any former Obama or Biden "official" that claims there is no need for an investigation is typical of their penchant for denying their illegal activities.

Well, if there’s irrefutable evidence, then release it….along with the Epstein Files, we’re not going to forget.

@unplucked_gem

 So when it is a lib event then let the flood gates open and chop chop but when it might have to do with Trump or a conservative then there is nothing to see and it is a left wing conspiracy theory?

I dont see a comparison between this Russia stuff any more than I do about other partisan crap thrown around like the Obama birth nonsense, these slimy partisan ploys are never ending and are just meant to keep the voter base fixated on politics so that they will vote in the next election to support the narrative.

This Epstein stuff is quite a bit different because it is really not partisan and there was criminal events that happened not mystical who knows what conspiracy fluff. Anyone who says Trump the self proclaimed womanizer cheater was not involved needs to stop coddling him and let the chips fall where they may. Trump was hip deep and has nobody but his stupid self to blame for not being able to control his zero ego conquests.

@unplucked_gem

 Well you have been confrontational and offensive in a personal nature to me more than once and no I was not addressing you as a member to member attack rather the topic and thread specifically.

I am happy to debate/discuss/disagree all day long but the member to member stuff is what is against the rules and why some of the complainers never get it and understand what is expected.

Why in world would Trump send his personal attorney Todd Blanche to Florida to speak to a convicted sex trafficker that happens to know Trump well enough to shoot the shit for hours about old times? Maxwell has the ability to make Trump as uncomfortable outside as she is inside! It certainly by appearance I’d say if there wasn’t a huge Republican list, there wouldn’t be a huge Republican effort to hide the list until they could manipulate or debunk it…..And as far arrests the only "scandal" that the Republicans could ever pin on Obama was that he wore a beige suit once for a press conference! You know it’s a shame Trump didn’t send Alina Habba to Florida she could have advised Maxwell the latest trendy dress to wear on her release day! I’m sure that would make page six in the New York Post!